Chicane on the hill at Hampton? Yes or No?

[DEATH_INC.]

Who thinks this is a good idea? Probably somewhere around where the 'hump' is.
Morcs idea, and I think a good one. If it gets enough backing we can go to the track guys with the idea.
Or let's hear some other ideas, though we know moving the wall is probably not an option.

[CHOPPA]

no way! make the hump bigger and put a downramp somewhere

[Gremlin]

Hell yeah, permanent chicane. But then apparently I ride a horrible dirt bike and should find a paddock according to some. :bye:

More corners, less straights :woohoo:

[Kickaha]

Good way to fuck a track, if you don't like the track or don't think it is safe then don't ride there

[Gremlin]

Good way to fuck a track, if you don't like the track or don't think it is safe then don't ride there
:blink: Where have you been the last few years? If you don't like something you're supposed to bitch and whinge about it until something is done.

Are you like... saying we should accept something? :shit:

[Grumph]

[QUOTE=Gremlin;1129908295]:blink: Where have you been the last few years? If you don't like something you're supposed to bitch and whinge about it until something is done.


It would certainly appear that is what most of you prefer...but bitch and whine to the right people please.
I've already told you the track approval process on the other thread so why are the auckland based riders not ringing the Area Senior Steward day and night ?
I'd be very surprised if MNZ haven't already got alarm bells ringing about HD and it's not just track management who would be involved in any alterations.

However, if you prefer to ride a mean keyboard, carry on....

[Kickaha]

:blink: Where have you been the last few years? If you don't like something you're supposed to bitch and whinge about it until something is done.

Are you like... saying we should accept something? :shit:

I do think something should be done, I just don't think a chicane is it and I think it will ruin the track

So fuck everyone who thinks it should be a permanent option :finger:

[lostinflyz]

fuck who cut everyones balls off

[schrodingers cat]

Warning: Motor Racing (used to be) Dangerous.


The Organisers take no responsibilty for stulifying racing and lack of crowds/sponsors due to the spectacle of riders with trainer wheels, wrapped in cotton wool and parading in single file not exceeding walking pace.

In fact the candy floss barriers are so high you can only see the 'competitors' (a hangover from the bad old days - there are no winners or losers) from the bar where lukewarm low alcohol beer is availible in damp cardboard cups.

Still you can participate in a closely guided tour of the pits where you can smell the ozone (fuel too dangerous) and hear the thrilling hum of battery chargers.

The output from these 100% recycled material steeds is impressive from their totally child safe 3v systems.

Please remember that the public transport from the track departs at 2:15 so everybody is tucked up in bed by 5 o'clock


So no. No chicane. What a tool (or troll) for posting this thread

[Matt Bleck]

i voted other, lets go reverse and see who can cartwheel there bike on to the motorway

i interested to know how many of the people here that want the track changed, ride or race at Pukekohe

[DEATH_INC.]

[SIZE="6"]So no. No chicane. What a tool (or troll) for posting this thread
Thanks for your constructive reply. I'm guessing you'll never ride hampton being from christchurch?
If a suggestion of a way to make something a little safer upsets you so much I suggest you go back to your chainsaw juggling or whatever you get your jollies from. And if you knew me you'd know I'm far from a safety freak, I just don't like watching my friends/associates die.

If you guys don't mind, I'd like to keep the votes from those that ride/plan to ride there. Thanks.

[gixerracer]

i voted other, lets go reverse and see who can cartwheel there bike on to the motorway

i interested to know how many of the people here that want the track changed, ride or race at Pukekohe

The superbike school instructors ride it backwards all the time aftre hours when there on there own

[_STAIN_]

after the hairpin create a 120 degree corner, coming onto straight you will be riding along the wall not at it.

[Marmoot]

The problem is not the hump, but the wall being too-close with no protection/bumper.

[Kornholio]

Na man, leave it as it is... the hump is pretty cool :)

[slowpoke]

Warning: Motor Racing (used to be) Dangerous.


The Organisers take no responsibilty for stulifying racing and lack of crowds/sponsors due to the spectacle of riders with trainer wheels, wrapped in cotton wool and parading in single file not exceeding walking pace.

In fact the candy floss barriers are so high you can only see the 'competitors' (a hangover from the bad old days - there are no winners or losers) from the bar where lukewarm low alcohol beer is availible in damp cardboard cups.

Still you can participate in a closely guided tour of the pits where you can smell the ozone (fuel too dangerous) and hear the thrilling hum of battery chargers.

The output from these 100% recycled material steeds is impressive from their totally child safe 3v systems.

Please remember that the public transport from the track departs at 2:15 so everybody is tucked up in bed by 5 o'clock


So no. No chicane. What a tool (or troll) for posting this thread

Haha, from the guy cowering behind his keyboard that's beyond ironic.


The problem is not the hump, but the wall being too-close with no protection/bumper.


Na man, leave it as it is... the hump is pretty cool :)

OK, lets accept for the moment that we're willing to step back to the 60's (33 deaths in GP's between 1980 and 1950) rather than stay in the 21st century (13 deaths between 1980 and 2010).

The problem is as long as the hump stays as it is we'll never see a world class bike event at HD. Never.

You've gotta use your imagination and take things a step or two further than our small club and National events where the disparity in talent instantly spreads out the field. Imagine 24 World Supers or even worse 40 of those crazy Moto2 guys ducking and diving over the hill en masse.....it's just not gonna happen.

With more power, better tyres, lighter weight, higher skill levels the WSB and MotoGP guys are gonna be substantially quicker than our relatively low spec Supers and are gonna absolutely launch off that hump.

You're dreamin' if you think any international organisation is gonna say "harden up princess" to the riders and agree to that.

[schrodingers cat]

Thanks for your constructive reply. I'm guessing you'll never ride hampton being from christchurch?
If a suggestion of a way to make something a little safer upsets you so much I suggest you go back to your chainsaw juggling or whatever you get your jollies from. And if you knew me you'd know I'm far from a safety freak, I just don't like watching my friends/associates die.

If you guys don't mind, I'd like to keep the votes from those that ride/plan to ride there. Thanks.

Nice reply however 'Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.'

FYI I get to spend a considerable amount of time at all of New Zealands race tracks

[Kickaha]

The problem is as long as the hump stays as it is we'll never see a world class bike event at HD. Never.

You're dreaming if you think you will anyway

[codgyoleracer]

Who thinks this is a good idea? Probably somewhere around where the 'hump' is.
Morcs idea, and I think a good one. If it gets enough backing we can go to the track guys with the idea.
Or let's hear some other ideas, though we know moving the wall is probably not an option.

Are you a muppet ?- would be a better poll.............

[MSTRS]

Hands up all those who get that sinking feeling when they see a racer crash and not get up.
Now, hands up all those who want to ensure this happens.

[Shaun]

A Chicane there to minimise the risks gets my vote

[codgyoleracer]

A Chicane there to minimise the risks gets my vote

Muppet No2

[scott411]

A Chicane there to minimise the risks gets my vote

would turning the riders directly at a wall, then directly at another wall be worse?

in real terms, moving the pit straight wall is not going to happen, there is to much to move there,

removing the hump may happen in the future, but at a quick guess it would be around $100,000 to do it minimum, to rip on the tar seal, reprofile and relay it, i do not think it will happen soon, as it would also take the track out of action for a couple of weeks and loose revenue for Hampton, and the strong rumour around that Hampton Downs is not in a very strong financial postion

it comes down to personal choice in the end, if you do not think it is safe do not ride there, if no one turns up to motorcycle days they will stop running them, and the cars will get more weekends there, the same goes with Pukekohe

[Toast]

Leave the hump

There are other ways people will crash there even if it is smoothed out.

Move the wall is the best solution. Not financially viable for now, agreed, but so long as it is acknowledged as a future must do. Once debt is paid off the place will be a cash cow, then improvements can be made.

[DEATH_INC.]

Are you a muppet ?- would be a better poll.............
Thanks pal, got a better idea? let's hear it then.....
But not the muppet poll, that seems to be a given.

[Bikemad]

i do like a good hump............keep it i say

[sosman]

I have no prob with the hump staying, its the going into turn1 too fast and it tightens up..... that gave me the willies ha ha.
I did find a remedy thou....I braked a bit sooner!

[Sidewinder]

its a race track its upto you if you want to ride there and you know the risks before you go, thats why you sign the if you get fucked up its your fault paper. shit why would they change the track and why would mnz get so worryed about it all??? shit they never changed pukeohe now did they and look at all the shit that went down there. its all apart of the sport and everyone knows the risk they take when they hop on a bike. even shaun does after ilse of man

[SPman]

Good way to fuck a track, if you don't like the track or don't think it is safe then don't ride there
Wot he said!

How many good tracks have been fucked up by sticking a stupid zig zag in the best bits....

[CHOPPA]

I guess this is why there is f/a decent jumps at MX tracks anymore. If the bump is a problem for you just slow down.

If you hit the upramp on the center point jump at taupo mx track tapped then your gonna die, but its your choice how fast you hit it.

The wall is the bad part and the lines are a bit hairy in the wet. Simple solve is some air fence or whatever like they do at puke.

If I owned the track id say if you dont like it dont come, if majority of bike riders dont like it then your not welcome.

A chicane there will wreck the track

[EJK]

I don't race nor never been to a track day but just want to say Nurburgring nordschleife.

[Sidewinder]

I don't race nor never been to a track day but just want to say Nurburgring nordschleife.

yea and people still pay to go around there till this day

[DEATH_INC.]

The wall is the bad part and the lines are a bit hairy in the wet. Simple solve is some air fence or whatever like they do at puke.

If I owned the track id say if you dont like it dont come, if majority of bike riders dont like it then your not welcome.

A chicane there will wreck the track

Nice answer Chop. This is the sort of thing I was looking for.

For the record, I don't have a problem with it myself, the line I take I'm not turning that much at that point, and a little air doesn't bother me. In fact I like the hump.
But after recent events over the last few years I've been involved in, I have no desire to watch people die anymore, and if a small change can sort it, then why not?
Soooo, what about an air fence or pile of bales? Any objections to that?
(and without all the childish name calling would be nice....)

[slowpoke]

I don't race nor never been to a track day but just want to say Nurburgring nordschleife.

Not sure what you're trying to say here: they stopped racing there 'cos it's too dangerous. You can still do laps but thats a whole different thing to a group of racers travelling en masse at the limit.

[kittytamer]

Nice answer Chop. This is the sort of thing I was looking for.

For the record, I don't have a problem with it myself, the line I take I'm not turning that much at that point, and a little air doesn't bother me. In fact I like the hump.
But after recent events over the last few years I've been involved in, I have no desire to watch people die anymore, and if a small change can sort it, then why not?
Soooo, what about an air fence or pile of bales? Any objections to that?
(and without all the childish name calling would be nice....)

I re-watched the last round of the nationals form HD earlier this year to see what it looked like on TV and there was a load of air-fences / bales or something against the wall at the start of the front straight.
It looked fine and certainly no worse than Silverstone and they ruined that track for bikes with the stupid bus-stop chicane, the new layout is way faster and still very little run off, so maybe this won't prohibit international series running here.

[Shaun]

I re-watched the last round of the nationals form HD earlier this year to see what it looked like on TV and there was a load of air-fences / bales or something against the wall at the start of the front straight.
It looked fine and certainly no worse than Silverstone and they ruined that track for bikes with the stupid bus-stop chicane, the new layout is way faster and still very little run off, so maybe this won't prohibit international series running here.


I believe that was Air fence

[javawocky]

...no worse than Silverstone

Ah na, Silverstone has a HUGE run off area on their kink.

Was actually thinking that a Luffield style complex before the man straight at HD would server nicely to slow the initial speed and get everyone pointed down the straight in stead of at the wall.

[johan]

It looks like Silverstone was upgraded by the same company who designed Hampton Downs

http://www.apexcircuitdesign.co.uk/projects/motorsport-projects/

[lukemillar]

I re-watched the last round of the nationals form HD earlier this year....

Sorry to derail, but is that online anywhere?

[DEATH_INC.]

It looks like Silverstone was upgraded by the same company who designed Hampton Downs

http://www.apexcircuitdesign.co.uk/projects/motorsport-projects/

I don't see any others with a concrete wall on the outside of a corner....

[DEATH_INC.]

It looks like Silverstone was upgraded by the same company who designed Hampton Downs

http://www.apexcircuitdesign.co.uk/projects/motorsport-projects/
Have a look at this, plenty of runoff everywhere :) (silverstone)

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Aerial-View-of-New-Silverstone-Grand-Prix-Circuit-2.jpg

[kittytamer]

Sorry to derail, but is that online anywhere?

Dunno, I still have it on MySky

[wharfy]

Have a look at this, plenty of runoff everywhere :) (silverstone)

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Aerial-View-of-New-Silverstone-Grand-Prix-Circuit-2.jpg

Its farken HUGE !!!

[CHOPPA]

Sorry to derail, but is that online anywhere?

http://tvnz.co.nz/one-sport/s2010-motorcycling-e3-video-3455603&h=9da04

[SWERVE]

Not sure what you're trying to say here: they stopped racing there 'cos it's too dangerous. You can still do laps but thats a whole different thing to a group of racers travelling en masse at the limit.

Yeah they dont race anymore at the "ring" damn shame it is awesome place.
As for dangerous imagine approaching a fast wide hairpin type corner running in a bit wide as you dont know the track or lines.........and a Porsche 996 slips up the inside under brakes. Then coming over a very fast blind hill with the front wheel pointing skywards .....only to catch sight of a 52 seat tour bus parked on the track so punters can dis-embark to take pics of your wheelie (complete with "oh shit eyes thru the visor)
Now thats what you call dangerous................. a couple of my experiences back in the 90,s ........ we made it a stopover on our european bike trips.
72 corners for 8 quid a lap (pre euro) ...... put it on your bucket list.

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah they dont race anymore at the "ring" damn shame it is awesome place.
As for dangerous imagine approaching a fast wide hairpin type corner running in a bit wide as you dont know the track or lines.........and a Porsche 996 slips up the inside under brakes. Then coming over a very fast blind hill with the front wheel pointing skywards .....only to catch sight of a 52 seat tour bus parked on the track so punters can dis-embark to take pics of your wheelie (complete with "oh shit eyes thru the visor)
Now thats what you call dangerous................. a couple of my experiences back in the 90,s ........ we made it a stopover on our european bike trips.
72 corners for 8 quid a lap (pre euro) ...... put it on your bucket list.


Ahh - the bad ole days aye, wernt they fun :-).

Of course as a general rule the gravel traps as used extensivley in New Zealand are built to slow down cars not bikes with riders tumbling through them.......So in theory even they arnt really acceptable.- But where does one stop ?

At minimum bottle/bale the wall, or airbags ideally.

At Pukekohe they do their best to secure the base of the bag with in the small amount of dirt that they have there to prevent riders sliding beneath them & into the fence behind - not sure if thats achievable at Hampton ?

[Peter Smith]

At Pukekohe they do their best to secure the base of the bag with in the small amount of dirt that they have there to prevent riders sliding beneath them & into the fence behind - not sure if thats achievable at Hampton ?

Sounds good, dirt on the main straight/corner. Might even be able to use it like a berm. Now where is the old Harley XR. :facepalm:

[javawocky]

Sounds good, dirt on the main straight/corner. Might even be able to use it like a berm. Now where is the old Harley XR. :facepalm:
Mmm, remove the wall and tar all the way up the bank, Indy style :yes:

[DEATH_INC.]

Ahh - the bad ole days aye, wernt they fun :-).

Of course as a general rule the gravel traps as used extensivley in New Zealand are built to slow down cars not bikes with riders tumbling through them.......So in theory even they arnt really acceptable.- But where does one stop ?

At minimum bottle/bale the wall, or airbags ideally.
Agreed, you can't bubble wrap everything, people will still get hurt. I don't think anyone is realistically trying to prevent that, but we can do our best to stop people dying through unnecessary dangers.

Muppet :p

[DEATH_INC.]

Mmm, remove the wall and tar all the way up the bank, Indy style :yes:
Now that would be cool!!!! :woohoo:

[javawocky]

Now that would be cool!!!! :woohoo:

Would someone with photoshop skills please apply the idea to this pic :corn:

http://www.roadracingworld.com/enlarge/?section=news&image=3809

[woodyracer]

Mmm, remove the wall and tar all the way up the bank, Indy style :yes:

fuk yeah ahahahha :woohoo:

[SWERVE]

Mmm, remove the wall and tar all the way up the bank, Indy style :yes:
Oh yeah:yes: One of the my favourite UK tracks has that ,,,,Rockingham where you use some of the 1/2 mile oval banking........ awesome screaming along at top of bank with bars sraping the wall.
If you want to see zero run off watch a lap of BSB at Cadwell Park over the mountain and then thru the series of kinks into "barn" where there is NO run off on a 90 degree right hander.

[DEATH_INC.]

It doesn't look too bad...how fast would you be going through here? And is that catch fencing and stuff I can see?

[SWERVE]

The corner in question is at the top left of picture........... looks like they have added a small concrete area at corner exit. Used to be zero run off and a concrete wall which either launched the rider over it or dumped both bike and rider in the middle of the turn depending on their entry speed.
It is not a quick corner but as the exit is steeply down hill it was a favourite too dive down the inside and slingshot out down the hill before the rider taking the conventional line knew what was happening. A brave and if succesful move this would give you yards into the next faster right hander which now looks like it has some kind of catch fencing too.
It was 10 years since i rode Cadwell and im sure the HSE (OSH) have been at work.
Bloody awesome track all the same.

[johan]

Here are FIM's regulations for a WSBK circuit.

According to the 029.7.1 rule, there must be at least 30 WCs, and at least 10 of those for the ladies.

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/alfresco/Codes_et_reglements/SRRC-NCCR_Ang.pdf

[codgyoleracer]

Agreed, you can't bubble wrap everything, people will still get hurt. I don't think anyone is realistically trying to prevent that, but we can do our best to stop people dying through unnecessary dangers.

Muppet :p

The muppet comment was a laugh at the actual real-world likelhood of the hill re-design option ever being a reality.
Other more realistic options are probably very achievable.
IMO the hill is a cool part of the track - although i am yet to see these new(ish) grid markers etc ??? & there effect in the wet.
Glen

[Shaun]

The muppet comment was a laugh at the actual real-world likelhood of the hill re-design option ever being a reality.
Other more realistic options are probably very achievable.
IMO the hill is a cool part of the track - although i am yet to see these new(ish) grid markers etc ??? & there effect in the wet.
Glen



You called for a muppet:yes:

[codgyoleracer]

You called for a muppet:yes:

Ginga muppets rock, - do you remember "Animal" ???:yes:

[Shaun]

Ginga muppets rock, - do you remember "Animal" ???:yes:



remember? I have forgotten how to remember these days it seems mate

[Kickaha]

Ginga muppets rock, - do you remember "Animal" ???:yes:

That was a Muppet?

I thought that was Shaun

[Grumph]

A correction to an earlier post of mine...
While the area Senior Steward should still be your first call if you have track safety concerns I am advised that MNZ have appointed a National Track Safety/Approval person.

[DEATH_INC.]

Ginga muppets rock, - do you remember "Animal" ???:yes:
He looks like my twin brother, or at least used to when I had hair.... :blink:

[Shaun]

A correction to an earlier post of mine...
While the area Senior Steward should still be your first call if you have track safety concerns I am advised that MNZ have appointed a National Track Safety/Approval person.



If this is a fact, when are they inspecting HD???????

[ellipsis]

.....got called a muppet myself recently....which one i asked...kermit? ....if you want he said....i went home and told my wife this bloke called her miss piggy....next time she saw this bloke she called him, something small and furry....a cunt...

[Burrt Badger]

I hear MNZ have appointed a new Safety Commissioner, if thats what you mean. It was on their website months ago.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Found that 4th gear close to redline wheeling over the hump while straight is the best, quickest and safest way over the hump. Highly enjoyable and you get in a wheelie every lap and they can't ping you for it :facepalm: