Finally...

[Genestho]

Heyas...

Well finally the report into our crash has been released to the public..
The coroner has been pretty strong with words, critical and the recommendations are pretty direct to Government.

So, I'm pushing things a little further....raising the debate for vehicular manslaughter offence classification and culpability (within reason).

Recognising that a car is no different than a gun, add an unlicensed, indefinately disqualified recidivist drink driver and the gun's loaded..

Culpability - in our situation, there were people responsible for lending cars, licensing a car so the driver could pootle around, people around him on the day..

So there's a recommendation regarding legislation for culpability in cases like ours.

The coroner has defended the Motorcyclists who were "cleaned out on a beautiful day - minding their own business" and the "driver paid for his life by his own stupidity."

He has recommended that all my work submitted through this process is directed to MOT and suggesting it should be added to the current bill in parliament, alot around Interlocks too which I've been really getting in behind.

None of this will ever benefit mine or our other families, but it will have far reaching benefits not only of this generation but the generations beyond.

So the media are picking this up and getting in behind, time for one last crack of the whip!!:yes:

If I don't get the Vehicular manslaughter offence, at least there will be debate!!

So please if you see anything in the media or hear anything please get in behind the debate, cheers :)

Thankyou, as always for your support!!

[boman]

Great. Bring it on. Vehicular Manslaughter should be a minimum. Too many repeat drunk drivers are getting away with murder. This must stop. Far too many families and innocent lives are being wasted by these burdens on society. We should shoot them all, after the second offence. Give them a chance to change their lives. If they make no effort. Bang. Save time, money and anguish.

Maybe a harsh sentence, but they wont do it a third time...

Any improvement to the current system, has to be a good one.

:angry::2guns:

[sil3nt]

Background?

[scumdog]

I have noticed a slow increase in the number of times the manslaughter charge is being fired at idiot drongos that crash and kill.:yes:

[Genestho]

Background?
I'll see if I can add the report, here's an old press release..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/road-accidents/news/article.cfm?c_id=663&objectid=10437985

[Pussy]

Result, Jossie!! :niceone:

[Genestho]

Great. Bring it on. Vehicular Manslaughter should be a minimum. Too many repeat drunk drivers are getting away with murder. This must stop. Far too many families and innocent lives are being wasted by these burdens on society. We should shoot them all, after the second offence. Give them a chance to change their lives. If they make no effort. Bang. Save time, money and anguish.

Maybe a harsh sentence, but they wont do it a third time...

Any improvement to the current system, has to be a good one.


:angry::2guns:

I know you're not the only one to feel this way either mate..



I have noticed a slow increase in the number of times the manslaughter charge is being fired at idiot drongos that crash and kill.:yes:

I agree with you, we are starting to see it more often! I know the offence classification was discussed under the current bill, so I'd like to see a vehicle recognised as a weapon under the land Transport Act..


Result, Jossie!! :niceone:

Exzachary!! :D

[sil3nt]

I'll see if I can add the report, here's an old press release..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/road-accidents/news/article.cfm?c_id=663&objectid=10437985Thanks for the link.

Good to see some results.

[chanceyy]

Congrats Jos .. a lot of hard work and determination on your part to get this result

still tinged with Sadness that its needed in the first place, the loss of Leon & friends that has sent you on this journey and also at the length of time taken to get the report done ...

Admire your tenacity and resolve babe, will love to put my opinion up for any debate

[LBD]

That is criminal no doubt in my mind, and I agree 100% with you....to the point where those who knew (IF) he had been drinking that morning...or anyone who lets an obviously alchol impaired driver behind the wheel, could/should be considered accessory...

Duty of care etc....

[Genestho]

There's a few things not specifically noted which I requested, two people who were there that day never fronted up in person EVER, one lent the car on the day, with an expired license according to the crash report, and it took two years to get a statement of denial from her, and when she was summonsed she never bothered to show up!

But I guess that's part of the reason why culpability has been strongly noted.

[Pussy]

two people who were there that day never fronted up in person EVER, one lent the car on the day, with an expired license, and it took two years to get a statement of denial from her, and when she was summonsed she never bothered to show up!

But I guess that's why culpability has been strongly noted.

They may have been stuck in the scum at the bottom of the pond they live in.....

[Genestho]

Congrats Jos .. a lot of hard work and determination on your part to get this result

still tinged with Sadness that its needed in the first place, the loss of Leon & friends that has sent you on this journey and also at the length of time taken to get the report done ...

Admire your tenacity and resolve babe, will love to put my opinion up for any debate

Thanks, that would be much appreciated!!
It's been a real lonngggggg wait..character building!!!:blink: :)

[pc220]

I have noticed a slow increase in the number of times the manslaughter charge is being fired at idiot drongos that crash and kill.:yes:

Just out of interest, who's choice is it what charges are laid against an offender, is it the arresting officer or is there a pc dont be too harsh protocol that you are forced to follow?

[scumdog]

Just out of interest, who's choice is it what charges are laid against an offender, is it the arresting officer or is there a pc dont be too harsh protocol that you are forced to follow?


It starts with the arresting officer but after bouncing off a few desks it's sometimes anybodys guess what the final charge will be.....:blink:

[Edbear]

I've opined before that driving illegally and crashing causing death automatically falls under the definition of manslaughter in law, so should be the mandatory charge. (One is performing an illegal act that results in death). That should make everyone think as that covers unregistered, unwarranted and unsafe vehicles and all actions that are illegal in law, including drunk driving, using a hand-held cellphone, driving outside your licence conditions and so on.

If any of those situations apply you simply shouldn't be on the road -period!

The problem with drink, (and drug), driving is that the offenders are almost invariably repeat and/or recidivist and they simply will not stop until they are physically prevented from driving/riding. Not only should drink driving carry mandatory and instant loss of licence on the first offence, also, and at the offender's expense should be mandatory attendance at an alcohol/drug rehabilitation program. Second offence mandatory prison sentence and the mandatory charge of manslaughter in the case of death. Injury should be "reckless use causing injury" in addition with the maximum penalty the norm rather than never used.

[Genestho]

If you have an opinion, please send to your local MP or if your local paper has it covered - Ed, now is the time :)

I hear the story was on the front page of my local and neighbouring paper today asking for feedback, Yahoo News and Herald on Sunday, Radio Live, RadioNZ and NewstalkZB were covering it too.

[Edbear]

If you have an opinion, please send to your local MP or if your local paper has it covered - Ed, now is the time :)

I hear the story was on the front page of my local and neighbouring paper today asking for feedback and Radio Live, RadioNZ and NewstalkZB were covering it too.

Yep! I think a lot of people are getting heartily sick of these news stories and there is a groundswell of opinion that something has to be done.

[Genestho]

Yep! I think a lot of people are getting heartily sick of these news stories and there is a groundswell of opinion that something has to be done.
Yup, and what's worse is when I know for a fact at least four 'recent' cases of drink driving causing death who served minimal time and have been caught (and that's those caught) driving unlicensed, or drink driving again, they haven't learnt, so - at that point we need Vehicular Manslaughter for repeat drink drivers who kill to begin with - if only to protect the community!

[Nasty]

Awesome awesome work Jos .... bloody hard and harrowing path you have been on ... but more than awesome that you have ther result! ... you have blown me away.

[Genestho]

Thanks sweets :hug:

Yea mate.
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Now, just have to wait a little longer..:blink:

[Genestho]

Apparently culpability is the 'current' talkback topic asking for feedback or discussion on Newstalk ZB http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/DisqusComments.asp