5km/h speed tolerance this Christmas

[steve_t]

So it looks like from 4pm on the 24th December until 6am January 5th the speed tolerance will be lowered again. They cite the Queen's Birthday Weekend Success and note that the 8 people that died over Labour Weekend were amongst a lot less crashes in total :facepalm:
At least the AA have said they want Police to focus on drivers who go to slow and don't allow others to pass

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/accidents/news/article.cfm?c_id=13&objectid=10694633

[imdying]

Meh. If they get me, it'll be for more than five over in any case :whistle:

[Juzz976]

Fine for doin 5-9 km over? whats that like $30.

Don't speed if you can't afford it.

I've had 3 speeding tickets over 13 years of speeding and averages out to $60 a year....:woohoo: thats cheap

[pritch]

Meh. If they get me, it'll be for more than five over in any case :whistle:

That thought occurred to me too.

I relieved to see that the tougher margin comes in at 4.00PM Christmas Eve.
May just try to be at journey's end by then. Still, would like to see SH22 again and maybe try the Hunua Road - without taking a wrong turn this time? :whistle:

[bogan]

Meh. If they get me, it'll be for more than five over in any case :whistle:

well thats the idea of lowing the tolerance isn't it? if they get anyone it'll be for more than five over :facepalm: instead of 10 like normal...

Wonder if the higher fuel prices will cause fewer motorist to be out and about and make it road toll? What am I saying, the only thing that could make it lower is the tolerance, just like for QB, and err, labour weekend? :facepalm:

[pritch]

I've had 3 speeding tickets over 13 years of speeding and averages out to $60 a year....:woohoo: thats cheap

It's not the money that bothers me, it's the points.

[Gremlin]

Wot pritch said. Horrible points.

[Juzz976]

It's not the money that bothers me, it's the points.

Ahh yes, but they reset after 2 years....but I know it can be stressful times when you low on demerits, I just got 50 back from my last ticket:woohoo::innocent:

[Gremlin]

You can reset them faster than 2 years tho, I did that. :facepalm:

[Juzz976]

You can reset them faster than 2 years tho, I did that. :facepalm:

Oh no, how much has that affected your insurance?

[Scuba_Steve]

Great so they want to endanger lives further (AGAIN!) just to make $$$. I'm really getting sick of this Bullshit! :angry:

[firefighter]

Idiots.....what's the problem?! Don't you know it will address all the issues that actually cause the accidents?!

I mean surely it will sort out the fact that the drink drive message still isn't getting through.....still.

Surely it will solve the issue of inattention

Surely it will stop people not driving to the conditions

Surely it will stop people driving dangerously

Surely it will solve the issues of poor driver education and training.

Fuck me when will you all get that the speed allowance of 5-10kms over that you are basically trained to drive at because of the usual allowance, when lowered has some magical effect on all of these issues?! :innocent:

[slofox]

Meh. If they get me, it'll be for more than five over in any case :whistle:

Damn right!

[Usarka]

and note that the 8 people that died over Labour Weekend were amongst a lot less crashes in total :facepalm:

Fucktards.

Quick take all the roundabouts out - there'll be less crashes but more deaths.

[Swoop]

They really do not get the grasp of this tax-collecting business, do they?

Having driven through multiple checkpoints over the last couple of weeks, at NO time was a breath test administered. Surely during this time of the year, if The Beak is going to inconvenience people and cause traffic jams, go the whole hog and do a proper job.:facepalm:

[riffer]

So here's a thought.

We have NO road deaths due to speeding.

Yet the road toll stays the same.

What then?

[Genie]

They really do not get the grasp of this tax-collecting business, do they?

Having driven through multiple checkpoints over the last couple of weeks, at NO time was a breath test administered. Surely during this time of the year, if The Beak is going to inconvenience people and cause traffic jams, go the whole hog and do a proper job.:facepalm:

couple of weeks ago on the road I live on they had a seatbelt checkpoint set-up, traffic lined up for about 20 cars or more and they didn't check for alcohol either, warrants/rego and seatbelts. Quite a few got the ticket too!

[mrchips]

Speed kils !

[riffer]

Speed kils !

When mixed with heroin in the other arm it certainly did for River Phoenix.

[Gremlin]

Oh no, how much has that affected your insurance?
Insurance is between $1300 and $1500 a year I think, for a 1L Supermoto, insured around $20k. I presume the premium is partly that high due to tickets.

Loss of license specifically, attracted a $400 special excess, if I made any claims. Excess was on insurance for 2 years after incident.

Never have made any claims. :woohoo:

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Looks like I'll stick to the backroads if I go to Wanganui for boxing day.

[neels]

Ah well, more time looking at the speedo, less time looking at the road.

It's nice to be safe.

[eelracing]

Looks like I'll stick to the backroads if I go to Wanganui for boxing day.

You know it makes sense.

[TOTO]

tolerance, or not, there won't be slowing me down on the GN :woohoo:

[sinned]

Looks like I'll stick to the backroads if I go to Wanganui for boxing day.
The amount of traffic on the road to Wanganui boxing day will be something to behold. How do you plan to ride that day?
1) Stay in line in slow stop start traffic?
2) Trickle up the center passing carefully and keeping under 100clicks?
3) Race up the center and speed limit be dammed?

[Blackflagged]

Hmm, How Should one Answer.
A_ Answer Honestly
B_Answer Correctly (Politically)
C_Or Say,i`ll stay in the traffic!

[Gremlin]

tolerance, or not, there won't be slowing me down on the GN :woohoo:
Yeah, but if you slowed down, it would be quicker to push... :shutup:

[Corse1]

Ahh yes, but they reset after 2 years....but I know it can be stressful times when you low on demerits, I just got 50 back from my last ticket:woohoo::innocent:

Yep I just arrived back in the safety zone as well:blink:

[Delerium]

they are also closing down passing lanes in order to maintain a steady flow of traffic and to prevent accidents, I shit you now. the logic is completely retarded.

[ducatilover]

they are also closing down passing lanes in order to maintain a steady flow of traffic and to prevent accidents, I shit you now. the logic is completely retarded.

Whaaaaaaa? :facepalm:
Keeping the traffic at 80 and pissing off some f'witt who can't pass up the passing lane? Said f'witt pulls out in a blind corner and hits a group of bikes, or dogs, or a hotdog stand, regardless it's going to be interesting.

[Kickaha]

they are also closing down passing lanes in order to maintain a steady flow of traffic and to prevent accidents, I shit you now. the logic is completely retarded.

They have done that for several years at Christmas

[sinned]

Whaaaaaaa? :facepalm:
Keeping the traffic at 80 and pissing off some f'witt who can't pass up the passing lane? Said f'witt pulls out in a blind corner and hits a group of bikes, or dogs, or a hotdog stand, regardless it's going to be interesting.
The lanes are closed every long weekend / public holiday SH1 from Wellington. It adds to the frustration.

[ducatilover]

The lanes are closed every long weekend / public holiday SH1 from Wellington. It adds to the frustration.

I didn't know that, I never ride SH1 as it's a boring turd of a ride below the Desert Rd, even that's not that fun now. :innocent:

[MaxB]

In the paper last week was an atricle about some researcher who found out that the weather and fuel prices have more effect than penalties during a holiday weekend.

Wasn't it shithouse weather on Queens Birthday weekend and fine on Labour Day?

[Coldrider]

Yes to U turning cops, the last car that i overtook at 103kph (by my gps) into the face of a HWP was apprehended at the roadside in the gravel, but sir, we were only doing 82kph when that red commodore shot past us like we were standing there in our own little world, which they were, cunce.

[R6_kid]

The amount of traffic on the road to Wanganui boxing day will be something to behold. How do you plan to ride that day?
1) Stay in line in slow stop start traffic?
2) Trickle up the center passing carefully and keeping under 100clicks?
3) Race up the center and speed limit be dammed?

Having ridden/driven to Wanganui on xmas day for the last three years I can tell you that there is barely any traffic at all once you get of SH1, which for me will be either Pokeno or Ngaruawahia.

Even leaving Auckland on SH1 it is usually better than your average weekday traffic at any rate.

I spent the whole ride last year marginally under licence losing speeds for the most part, never saw a single orrificer except on SH1 near Papakura. Not gonna take the same risk this year though. I'm gonna leave early and pootle down and enjoy the afternoon with extended family.

[mrchips]

Ah well, more time looking at the speedo, less time looking at the road.

It's nice to be safe.

+ 1000000000000000.

My sentiments exactly + my speedo is out by approx. 8 km/h at 100 kays (not shure).

[Indiana_Jones]

I the cops are so cool in summer time!

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Miami_Vice.jpg

-Indy

[Toaster]

Fine for doin 5-9 km over? whats that like $30.

Don't speed if you can't afford it.

I've had 3 speeding tickets over 13 years of speeding and averages out to $60 a year....:woohoo: thats cheap

Agreed. Why waste money on pointless fines when you can use it for petrol, track-days, better gear etc etc...

I got an infringement once on my previous bike downhill in a 50km/h zone - a simple lapse in concentration dammit. The cop apologized for issuing the ticket. I told him I would let him off this once but told him not to repeat such behaviour.

[p.dath]

I guess the Police also need to consider why in fact we do move at a particular speed.

Otherwise they could reduce the number of accidents and fatalities by making the speed limit zero.

Easy huh?

[scumdog]

So it looks like from 4pm on the 24th December until 6am January 5th the speed tolerance will be lowered again. They cite the Queen's Birthday Weekend Success and note that the 8 people that died over Labour Weekend were amongst a lot less crashes in total :facepalm:
At least the AA have said they want Police to focus on drivers who go to slow and don't allow others to pass

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/accidents/news/article.cfm?c_id=13&objectid=10694633


Ah...who cares....

[James Deuce]

Meh. If they get me, it'll be for more than five over in any case :whistle:

Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks like that.

[James Deuce]

So here's a thought.

We have NO road deaths due to speeding.

Yet the road toll stays the same.

What then?

Speed is always a factor. Run off the road due to a corner and speed is a factor. Inappropriate speed, but "inappropriate" is a big word and journalists don't do big words just in case it turns the semi-literate readership off.

[MSTRS]

There are always at least 2 truths...
Part of the truth = speed
ALL of the truth = inappropriate speed

[scumdog]

There are always at least 2 truths...
Part of the truth = speed
ALL of the truth = inappropriate speed


Yeah but try telling somebody their speed was 'inappropriate'...

[MSTRS]

Tell us how 120/130/140/etc is inappropriate on a straight road, good weather, no traffic...
Illegal does not equal inappropriate.

[James Deuce]

Tell us how 120/130/140/etc is inappropriate on a straight road, good weather, no traffic...
Illegal does not equal inappropriate.

It's inappropriate for your wallet.

[MSTRS]

Goes to 'illegal'.
Only a safety issue when SWMBO finds out...

[Kickaha]

Yeah but try telling somebody their speed was 'inappropriate'...

My speed wasn't inappropriate because I'm a "good" rider

[yungatart]

Tell us how 120/130/140/etc is inappropriate on a straight road, good weather, no traffic...
Illegal does not equal inappropriate.

It isn't...police aren't paid to think though.

[p.dath]

It isn't...police aren't paid to think though.

Negative. They are paid to enforce the law. It is up to the courts to make decisions.

[scumdog]

Tell us how 120/130/140/etc is inappropriate on a straight road, good weather, no traffic...
Illegal does not equal inappropriate.

Yawn...samo-old-same-old..

So it's got to come down to

"You're a 40 year old that never crashed and your on a bike in good order and you have a full bike licence so I guess it's ok"

at one end of the spectrum.

And "Oh, you're new at motorcycling and you only have a learners licence and I see you've had a couple of tickets for cutting corners and going through a red light and your bikes tyres are a bit shonky and your steering head bearing is shot so I guess your speed is inappropriate"

at the other end of the spectrum.

And a miriad of variations of the two with the commensurate miasma of trying to sort it out.

And anybody getting a ticket for speeding in the above type scenarios will invariably feel they've been hard done by regardless of circumstnaces - and will no doubt pull out some story how another cop somewhere else had pulled up them/their brother/cuzzie/mate who was doing EXACTLY the same speed etc and got let off.:rolleyes:

Put down a blanket speed limit and everybody knows where they stand.

101kph onwards and your exceeding the speed limit - go as fast as you want to and wear the consequences if you're pinged.



And then get on KB and :crybaby: you eyes out about how unfair it all is...<_<

[MSTRS]

... how unfair it all is...

Of course it is :Pokey:

[imdying]

Put down a blanket speed limit and everybody knows where they stand.

101kph onwards and your exceeding the speed limit - go as fast as you want to and wear the consequences if you're pinged.Yup, the rules are clearly laid out. IME police officers are generous with their disrcretionary powers, can't ask for much more than that.

None of her majesties finest at the track. (well none giving tickets anyway!)

[jonbuoy]

105 is getting pretty anal, roads are no different here to NZ - cops don´t bat an eyelid if I´m doing 140 in a 120. They don´t hide on straights with a radar gun in rush hour - they DO stand around the side of the road and on the level crossings by our kids schools at picking up and dropping off time EVERY day. No one objects to that.

[Gremlin]

And then get on KB and :crybaby: you eyes out about how unfair it all is...<_<
Where the hell have you been? You seen threads on anything else? :scratch:

[Mudfart]

people become inattentive to whats happening because they are looking so much at the fucken speedos.
ive seen it so many times.
many people actually look at their speedos more than they look at their mirrors.

[rebel]

Luckily I shall be traveling on my Gixer thou this holiday period... Gixxer > V6 Commodore.

Did anyne see that programme 'crash course' on Thursday night... that coppa in the mufti Maxima and the speeds he was pulling to catch 'speeders' going 10-20kmh over the limit up around the Albany, Coatesville/riverhead highway. Unbelieveable, and just goes to proove what a crock of shit the whole speed campaign is. His driving made us sport bike riders look like saints.

[MSTRS]

Yea, Cuntstable Plonker couldn't even stay on his side of the centreline

[bogan]

Yawn...samo-old-same-old..

So it's got to come down to

"You're a 40 year old that never crashed and your on a bike in good order and you have a full bike licence so I guess it's ok"

at one end of the spectrum.

And "Oh, you're new at motorcycling and you only have a learners licence and I see you've had a couple of tickets for cutting corners and going through a red light and your bikes tyres are a bit shonky and your steering head bearing is shot so I guess your speed is inappropriate"

at the other end of the spectrum.

And a miriad of variations of the two with the commensurate miasma of trying to sort it out.

And anybody getting a ticket for speeding in the above type scenarios will invariably feel they've been hard done by regardless of circumstnaces - and will no doubt pull out some story how another cop somewhere else had pulled up them/their brother/cuzzie/mate who was doing EXACTLY the same speed etc and got let off.:rolleyes:

Put down a blanket speed limit and everybody knows where they stand.

101kph onwards and your exceeding the speed limit - go as fast as you want to and wear the consequences if you're pinged.



And then get on KB and :crybaby: you eyes out about how unfair it all is...<_<

It all comes down to enforceability, not fairness. If there was an attentionometer which gave cops an arbitrary reading of how much attention a driver was giving to the road, then that'd be enforced, and the roads would be safer. But all they have is radar guns, breath testers, and compliance checks, so thats the focus of the enforcement.

[rebel]

Yea, Cuntstable Plonker couldn't even stay on his side of the centreline

Not to mention driving at twice the posted speed limit on populated semi rural road. Speed kills they say, only sometimes it seems.

[steve_t]

Right, so the road toll was 13, the same as last year.

"AA spokesman Simon Lambourne said there appeared to be less traffic on the roads..."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10697902

I wonder how many more times we'll be told the tolerance will be reduced to 5km/h since it has again proven to work so well :facepalm:

Interesting that the media doesn't seem to report that "in spite of the speed tolerance reduction, the road toll was unchanged."

[bogan]

While I'm sure we all agree the 13 deaths were tragic and most likely avoidable, along with a lot of the injury crashes too, I wonder how many more will have to die before they realise that speed is not the determining factor. Alcohol is suspected in 6 crashes? how hard is it to find out for sure? And excessive speed contributed to 7, wonder if it was excessive for the conditions, or excessive for the limits. Wonder how long till we see half tolerance alcohol checkpoints. NZ just needs better drivers, not 100.00kmhr drivers.

[terbang]

So the 5K thing was a waste of time and made no difference. Most had already figured that.
When are our enforcers going to face up to the reality of our road toll and spend the time, money and effort on fixing the problem properly?
Hint Hint, it lies somewhere in the area of driver education and licencing standards.

[vifferman]

The problem is too that (a) you can't make a simplistic inference like "we imposed a 5km/h tolerance and the toll was down" (like they did at Easter) as it's not a simple 'cause and effect' relationship. Plus (also) normal statistical variance means that if the road toll is around 360/year, then in any given period, you can probably expect anywhere between two or three per day and zero per day, regardless of what the police do or don't do.
At Easter, the police crowed about the reduced road toll due to the reduced speeding tolerance, whereas in all probability it was due more to the shitty weather.
Regardless of all this, NZTA and/or the police are using silly metrics which are measured against neither vehicle kilometres travelled nor number of vehicles on the road, so are therefore rather arbitrary and meaningless when plotted as a trend.

[scumdog]

Alcohol is suspected in 6 crashes? how hard is it to find out for sure?

Not hard.

But getting blood-alcohol results is not exactly an instant procedure.

[p.dath]

Not hard.

But getting blood-alcohol results is not exactly an instant procedure.

Are you even allowed to take a blood sample from a dead person without a court order? I understand there are laws to prevent interference with dead bodies ...

[scumdog]

Are you even allowed to take a blood sample from a dead person without a court order? I understand there are laws to prevent interference with dead bodies ...

It's all part of an P.M. - the results will show whatever levels of whatever substances were in the blood at the time of death.

'Interference'? mmmfff:lol::rofl:

[SMOKEU]

I understand there are laws to prevent interference with dead bodies ...

Under Section 150 of the New Zealand Crimes Act 1961, it is an offence for there to be "misconduct in respect to human remains." This statute may be applicable to necrophilia, although it should be noted that there is no case law as yet that would test this observation.

[imdying]

Well whadya know, this 5km tolerance is working out good!

[ducatilover]

Well whadya know, this 5km tolerance is working out good!

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Swoop]

So the 5K thing was a waste of time.
Hint Hint, it lies somewhere in the area of driver education and licencing standards.
Yes.
But our retarded idiots like to keep banging the "speed kills" drum because it meets their quota targets*.




* Oops! There is no "quota".:facepalm:

[scumdog]

Yes.
But our retarded idiots like to keep banging the "speed kills" drum because it meets their quota targets*.




* Oops! There is no "quota".:facepalm:

Damned straight:woohoo:

There's no limit as to how many tickets I can give out - it's not like paua or something, there's no season and and no quota.

[steve_t]

Damned straight:woohoo:

There's no limit as to how many tickets I can give out - it's not like paua or something, there's no season and and no quota.

LOL. Do you have competitions as to who can issue the most number in a day? Or the highest value in a day? Or who can say "meow" at least 10 times per contact? :innocent:

[scumdog]

LOL. Do you have competitions as to who can issue the most number in a day? Or the highest value in a day? Or who can say "meow" at least 10 times per contact? :innocent:


Welllll...there's this legend about people who use the word 'just' when pulled over.:shutup:

[Madness]

Welllll...there's this legend about people who use the word 'just' when pulled over.:shutup:

As in
"I've just about achieved all my KPI's for this shift. Fuck it, I'm going to have a donut to celebrate."
?

[cs363]

Talking of quota's, just got sent this... http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2010/11/secret-police-traffic-ticket-quotas.html
Interesting read if nothing else. :innocent:

[steve_t]

Welllll...there's this legend about people who use the word 'just' when pulled over.:shutup:

:corn::corn: "Good afternoon. Just wondering if you know just what I just pulled you over for........ No? I just recorded that you were speeding. Just how fast do you think you were going?.... And is there any just-ification for travelling this fast?... Now I'm just going to need to see your licence. Just wait a minute while I check this out in my patrol car. I'll be back in just a tick.... Now, sir, do you know that your WOF has just expired just the other day?... Meow :sunny:

[Pixie]

Well that worked.

Fuckwits (Paula Rose especially)

[Coldrider]

Well that worked.

Fuckwits (Paula Rose especially)Yes, just agree that she did well, and then she will be promoted up till what she says dosen't count.

[scumdog]

:corn::corn: "Good afternoon. Just wondering if you know just what I just pulled you over for........ No? I just recorded that you were speeding. Just how fast do you think you were going?.... And is there any just-ification for travelling this fast?... Now I'm just going to need to see your licence. Just wait a minute while I check this out in my patrol car. I'll be back in just a tick.... Now, sir, do you know that your WOF has just expired just the other day?... Meow :sunny:

I'll bite.

"Aw, I'm just about to": get a warrant/tyre/rego/full licence/put my seat-belt on/go home/fix the muffler etc etc.

" I was just about to stop at the stop sign":blink:

[ynot slow]

I have no problem with being ticketed for speeding,more often than not I deserve it (once I thought what a tosser ticket for speeding),and the 5km tolerance for me was nothing,I sat on 110km-115km never got pinged.

What annoys me is Paula Rose saying the speed of 5km tolerance worked,and gave the primo reason of "cars were travelling slower,and no need to pass"or words to effect,wtf planet is she on,how can cars travelling at 90km,be safe when 7 cars are banked up behind,simply because the little old lady is scared to go faster and get caught.This was scenario we encountered up in Waikato,along with usual 90km then hit passing lane and they speed up,education needed,dunno these were elderly drivers.

I think the elderly should have two options for driving when hitting 70yr or 75yr,if you wish to travel on highway you prove you can operate the vehicle at 100km,if not get a limited license for travel upto 70km in town areas only.