My Plod rant

[Johnny Sauce Pants]

The last time i had a ticket was a year or so ago. Road to Hanmer , about 10pm, got done for 116k in my car. No issue with that. There was no traffic on the road and i'd been doing a lot more earlier. What gripped is that a couple of days later i get another ticket in the post for failing to signal when pulling back on to road. i challanged that, and the officers explanation was that the traffic was "very busy". There were about two cars that passed while i waited for about ten or so minutes.
I just paid them both. Oh well, the cops a liar, he lives with that.

Just wondering, are they allowed to come on your property? Last Thursday, late, about 11.30 Pm i needed milk for breakfat, went down the local garage in my car. Very little traffic about, one or two cars. On the way back, im driving about 150 yards from home and the lights go up behind me. I carried on and pulled in my garage, and switched the engine off etc. I knew 100% i'd not committed any offence, and im normally pretty laid back, dont swear much etc, but i wanted to get to bed, so maybe came on a bit annoyed, it didnt start well.
It went like this.
Him. have you hand anything to drink tonight Sir,
Me. Not a drop, have you?
Him, does your car have a current warrant of fitness and registration?
Me, Obviously it does. ( i drive a pretty decent car and live in a good street )
He then comes into my garage and starts looking around checking the warrant etc, no problems.
Me, Why have you followed me and whats this about.
Him. just a ramdon check, if we dont pull people over we dont write many tickets.!!
Me, what the fuck, if i called you people about someone burgling my property you would,nt bother turning up !
Him, dont swear at me Sir.
Him, Do you have your driving licence?
Me gives it to him.
Him. Where do you live what number is this house.
Me. I live here, obviously, the numbers on the letter box, cant you read? But i asnwer the question anyway.
He writes it down.
Me. Give me my licence back.
Him. Im going to do a check and he wanders back to his car. he's not ging to find anything, just wasting my time.
Me. please yourself, im off to bed, i close the auto door and leave him in the drive outside the gate. Go inside and leave the front door open.
Him. About five minutes later he calls from the other side of the gate, (it's an open wrought iron big gaps in it easily seen through and easily reaced through)
He holds out my licence, i go to retreive it by reching though the gate and he holds onto it so hard my fingers slip off it. I try again, and he does it again. Third time he lets it go, i just put it back in my wallet.
Him. Trying to assert some sort of authority and power says, Dont Snatch.( i hadn't)
Me, (That's done it, im mad now so says to him). You lot, if i called you for a burglary, you wouldnt even turn up, a lot of you are as bad if not worse than the criminals your supposed to be catching. And, what are you doing following men home in the middle of the night? Are you a homo or something? Get off my property, piss orrrf, i going to sleep.
He stood there like a stunned mullet for a minute after i'd gone inside and then went away.
I honestly dont know what made me so mad, im normally quite a peacful non controntaional sort. I think it was the infringment on my personal space and him walking round my garage. Oh well.
Friends now tell me i'm a "marked man". I wonder !!!
Is it just me, or is being in the police just a a "revenue" gathering job these days that it's become their main focus.
They want repect. Pah.
Anyone else have an experience similar?

[maggot]

This situation was covered in a thread not toooo long ago iirc, can't for the life of me find it though.
I think the gist of it was that they couldn't come onto your property uninvited unless you were under suspicion of doing some illegal shit. They can't just waltz onto your property under the banner of 'random checks'

Lay a complaint, the guy hasn't followed procedure, and he was a prick to boot.

[Gibbo89]

The bit that caught my attention most in that story was the grabbing the license back. You either had way to much KY jelly on your hands or he was almost trying to bait you, or I guess act tough and be the big man. I'll stick to my first theory :yes:

[blackdog]

Definitely not allowed to come on to your property uninvited unless he has witnessed you doing something illegal.

[maggot]

Found it, have a gander at this..
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/132283-Traffic-Law-Access-to-your-property?highlight=police+property

[Johnny Sauce Pants]

Definitely not allowed to come on to your property uninvited unless he has witnessed you doing something illegal.

Yes, that's what i thought too but wasnt sure of my ground. When i asked him why he's followed me all he said was. If we didnt pull people over we woud'nt write many tickets.
I should have got his number, but didn't think of it at the time.

[blackdog]

Yes, that's what i thought too but wasnt sure of my ground. When i asked him why he's followed me all he said was. If we didnt pull people over we woud'nt write many tickets.
I should have got his number, but didn't think of it at the time.
no badge number no complaint. (you will remember next time aye)

shame he didnt give you a ticket in that situation :rofl:

[Johnny Sauce Pants]

The bit that caught my attention most in that story was the grabbing the license back. You either had way to much KY jelly on your hands or he was almost trying to bait you, or I guess act tough and be the big man. I'll stick to my first theory :yes:



He was trying to bait me, and act the big man. That's why i asked him why he was following men home in their cars, and was he a homo.

I dont suposse the police training college at Trentham, give them an anser to that one. :gob:

[racefactory]

Mate, at least you didn't get a bullshit ticket for no reflector or incorrectly displayed rego+ whole miriad of other things.

Call me an idiot but I still don't underestand exactly what constitutes 'fresh persuit'?

So in the OP's case, is that considered fresh persuit???

[PrincessBandit]

Mate, at least you didn't get a bullshit ticket for no reflector or incorrectly displayed rego+ whole miriad of other things.

Call me an idiot but I still don't underestand exactly what constitutes 'fresh persuit'?

So in the OP's case, is that considered fresh persuit???

From my understanding of the thread I started about "fresh pursuit" he was 'actively following' Mr Sauce Pants but (and it's a big butt) I thought they could only come onto your property if they had a genuine cause to suspect something illegal. In this instance, if the conversation and action proceeded as recalled here, then it didn't sound justifiable and the officer was being an @rsehole.

[Edbear]

From my understanding of the thread I started about "fresh pursuit" he was 'actively following' Mr Sauce Pants but (and it's a big butt) I thought they could only come onto your property if they had a genuine cause to suspect something illegal. In this instance, if the conversation and action proceeded as recalled here, then it didn't sound justifiable and the officer was being an @rsehole.

Yeah, if he'd put his flashing lights on intended for the OP he has the right to follow anywhere. Sounds a bit officious to me, too, but as has been said, you have every right to lay a complaint. It may well be worth popping into your local station anyway and have a chat about it. As long as you're calm and reasonable you should get a hearing ear.

[Gibbo89]

He was trying to bait me, and act the big man. That's why i asked him why he was following men home in their cars, and was he a homo.

I dont suposse the police training college at Trentham, give them an anser to that one. :gob:

Yeah I know, I was taking the piss. He seems to have acted like a dick which is a shame, but yet, it doesn't really surprise me.

[Gubb]

Sounds like you failed thee "attitude test".
Karma's a bitch huh?

[Mully]

Technically, he was in pursuit - the disco lights were going.

In which case he is allowed to follow you. The fact that you didn't stop would (to me) indicate that you were trying to hide something (no WOF, etc)

I wonder what the standard is for "failing to stop". Must have been more than you did....

[nothingflash]

The bit that caught my attention most in that story was the grabbing the license back. You either had way to much KY jelly on your hands or he was almost trying to bait you, or I guess act tough and be the big man. I'll stick to my first theory :yes:

Maybe it was the copper from Wild Hogs?

[awa355]

When you know you haven't done anything and feel you are being baited, you can understand why some people get pissed off, say 'Fuck you' and become antagonistic.
I was coming down Alexandra st here in Te A one evening, saw a checkpoint further along the street. Turned left into my driveway and next thing, two cars pulled up behind me, lights flashing. They were only doing their job, but their whole attitude wound me up.
We had quite a slanging match. In the end, he couldn't really do anything, and no, I hadn't been drinking. I'ill be buggared if I have to ask before turning into my own home if I'm not being chased.

[Edbear]

When you know you haven't done anything and feel you are being baited, you can understand why some people get pissed off, say 'Fuck you' and become antagonistic.
I was coming down Alexandra st here in Te A one evening, saw a checkpoint further along the street. Turned left into my driveway and next thing, two cars pulled up behind me, lights flashing. They were only doing their job, but their whole attitude wound me up.
We had quite a slanging match. In the end, he couldn't really do anything, and no, I hadn't been drinking. I'ill be buggared if I have to ask before turning into my own home if I'm not being chased.

Maybe you could have diffused the situation with humour? It was an obvious reaction to an oncoming vehicle turning off like that. I'd have cracked up laughing at them and politely explaining where I was.

[awa355]

Maybe you could have diffused the situation with humour? It was an obvious reaction to an oncoming vehicle turning off like that. I'd have cracked up laughing at them and politely explaining where I was.

I would have done if the idiot had not have come out with a smartarse comment to start with. I'm late fifties and a staunch advocate of law and order. This cop still had his mothers milk running down his chin. Anyway, history now.

[miloking]

hmm...i though it was just me who had luck for asshole cops, i was starting to think it might be me always failing the "test"....but have been show otherwise yet again., sucks to see that more law abiding people have trouble with the "organisation" that is meant to proct us.

[superman]

When I was 17 and got mugged/assaulted on the street let me tell you the cops did not give one toss.

I mean the guys who picked me up in their paddy wagon to take a statement were nice enough, but a couple weeks after I went back to the station and there was no record of the event taking place! I had gotten the friends of the muggers phone numbers through my own sloothing and then they couldn't even do anything with the information because they had nothing to match it to.

Fuck those bastards, wonder how many of their statistics are wack because of "oh sorry we lost the case file".

I love how tax payer money funds such a highly developed "professional" department. Vigilante justice shall be the way from now on.

Although now I fear maori youths for a genuine reason... not just for the stereotype... even though the stereotype was right in this situation. :facepalm:

[Max Preload]

Although now I fear maori youths for a genuine reason... not just for the stereotype... even though the stereotype was right in this situation. :facepalm:Stereotypes don't just invent them-fucking-selves, you know. Someone didn't just wake up one morning and say "You know, I'm going to spread a rumour about young maoris hanging around the streets being violent criminals more frequently than elderly white women making their way home from bingo and see if it catches on!"

[racefactory]

When I was 17 and got mugged/assaulted on the street let me tell you the cops did not give one toss.

I mean the guys who picked me up in their paddy wagon to take a statement were nice enough, but a couple weeks after I went back to the station and there was no record of the event taking place! I had gotten the friends of the muggers phone numbers through my own sloothing and then they couldn't even do anything with the information because they had nothing to match it to.

Fuck those bastards, wonder how many of their statistics are wack because of "oh sorry we lost the case file".

I love how tax payer money funds such a highly developed "professional" department. Vigilante justice shall be the way from now on.

Although now I fear maori youths for a genuine reason... not just for the stereotype... even though the stereotype was right in this situation. :facepalm:

My condolences to you.

Real scum those guys. Had a friend who sustained terrible injuries from random Maori delinquents, real nice guy too.

[TimeOut]

When I was 17 and got mugged/assaulted on the street let me tell you the cops did not give one toss.

I mean the guys who picked me up in their paddy wagon to take a statement were nice enough, but a couple weeks after I went back to the station and there was no record of the event taking place! I had gotten the friends of the muggers phone numbers through my own sloothing and then they couldn't even do anything with the information because they had nothing to match it to.

Fuck those bastards, wonder how many of their statistics are wack because of "oh sorry we lost the case file".

I love how tax payer money funds such a highly developed "professional" department. Vigilante justice shall be the way from now on.

Although now I fear maori youths for a genuine reason... not just for the stereotype... even though the stereotype was right in this situation. :facepalm:

Doesn't surprise me, my daughter was assaulted in a home invasion cops couldn't be bothered turning up for 12 hours :gob: Then they tried to blame her (suppose she shouldn't have been in bed a 10pm on a Saturday night even though she had work at 4am)
My daughter even had names for them, still couldn't be bothered:gob:
We got on better dealing with the parents.

Oh and they didn't get the body kit back that they ripped off going out the track:innocent:

[The Stranger]

Technically, he was in pursuit - the disco lights were going.

In which case he is allowed to follow you. The fact that you didn't stop would (to me) indicate that you were trying to hide something (no WOF, etc)

I wonder what the standard is for "failing to stop". Must have been more than you did....

To quote from PB's earlier thread "the officer believes or suspects to have commited a serious traffic offence". The OP states the reason given for persuing him. Doesn't sound like a serious offence to me.

[Virago]

Sounds like two cocks trying to out-cock each other.

As always, both cocks will think they've won - but in the end they're both still cocks...

[avgas]

Could be worse.

[Max Preload]

Could be better.

[avgas]

Could be better.
Nah - when stuff is better you just know its going to get worse later.

Like the hot chick who asks you to drop your pants.

Then she gets you to bend over while she puts on the glove and lubes up.

[Littleman]

Nah - when stuff is better you just know its going to get worse later.

Like the hot chick who asks you to drop your pants.

Then she gets you to bend over while she puts on the glove and lubes up.

Sorry, when does it get worse?

[superman]

Cops wives aren't the only ones who like pigs in blankets :p nom nom nom

[tigertim20]

This situation was covered in a thread not toooo long ago iirc, can't for the life of me find it though.
I think the gist of it was that they couldn't come onto your property uninvited unless you were under suspicion of doing some illegal shit. They can't just waltz onto your property under the banner of 'random checks'

Lay a complaint, the guy hasn't followed procedure, and he was a prick to boot.

read his opening post again. 'The lights came on.... then I pulled into my driveway'.

The cop signalled to pull him over. He continued onto his property. in this case, I beleive the cop CAN come onto your property. If the cop had NOT turned his lights on prior to him pulling into his driveway, then no, he couldnt have.

In the circumstance where a cop comes onto your property you need only to say the following:
Hello officer, Im afraid this is private residence, and unless you have an arrest order, or a search warrant, Im not prepared to let you onto my property.

Unless youve done something noteworthy, they will fuck off and not bother with it. If you HAVE done something noteworthy, this will give you time to find a better hiding place for the dead chinese hookers in your garage. . .

[Max Preload]

read his opening post again. 'The lights came on.... then I pulled into my driveway'.

The cop signalled to pull him over. He continued onto his property. in this case, I beleive the cop CAN come onto your property. If the cop had NOT turned his lights on prior to him pulling into his driveway, then no, he couldnt have.Correct.

As a matter of interest for you to be required to stop you must be followed (http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435105.html?search=sw_096be8ed80699c3a_followin g&p=1&sr=19)...

[racefactory]

Correct.

As a matter of interest for you to be required to stop you must be followed (http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435105.html?search=sw_096be8ed80699c3a_followin g&p=1&sr=19)...

^ this guy knows his shit

[Coldrider]

and you have to know you are being persued.

[rastuscat]

It's a common law right of access.

In England a person commits trespass whenever they access private property. In Scotland (and here) nobody commits the offence of trespass until they have been warned by the lawful occupier to leave, and have refused to do so.

I followed a bloke onto private property once to write him a ticket. It was on the North Shore years ago. I stood there writing him the ticket while he ranted about my being there. He told me I couldn't do what I was doing, which I could. I got the whole revenue collecting sermon from him and his wife. Importantly, at no stage did he ask me to leave, he just vented. As I was finishing I told him "I only had to leave when you tell me to, which would be about now, so here's your ticket, I'm off".

He defended the ticket on the basis that I couldn't be there to write it, and he was convicted.

Donuts.

[FJRider]

I dont suposse the police training college at Trentham, give them an anser to that one. :gob:

I thought it was in Porirua ???

[red mermaid]

Yes it is and it just goes to show how little some posters on KB know.



I thought it was in Porirua ???

[Edbear]

Yes it is and it just goes to show how little some posters on KB know.

Now hang on a mo... Everyone here is an expert, ask them! :yes:

[FJRider]

Yes it is and it just goes to show how little some posters on KB know.

Well they did know it was in Trentham .... once ....

But I dont know how up to date they are on other matters ... like the law ...

[FJRider]

Now hang on a mo... Everyone here is an expert, ask them! :yes:

Definition of an expert ...

X ... Unknown quantity

Spurt ... A drip under pressure

[Max Preload]

The current location of any pig indoctrination pen is irrelevant.

[FJRider]

As a matter of interest for you to be required to stop you must be followed (http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435105.html?search=sw_096be8ed80699c3a_followin g&p=1&sr=19)...

At no time did that link specify a particular distance that you must be followed at ... merely followed ...

If you can see the "red and blues" in your rear view mirror ... you're being followed ...

[rastuscat]

I once attended a crash in Basset Road, Newmarket. Handy to where the machine gun murders happened, but that another story. 2 young guys flipped one of those Honda CRXs onto it's roof. They got out, turned the car back over, and drove off.

We found the car in a carport in Parnell a few minutes later. My partner and I knocked on the door, and a woman answered. We asked where the 2 young guys were, she told us they we in bed. She then asked us if we wanted to come in and speak to them. Not being the shy type, we walked upstairs, and turned the lights on in a bedroom.

I know this is hard to believe, but I swear it's true.

There was the young guy who had been driving, with a lovely young lady, in bed. I told him I wanted to discuss the crash, and he volunteered that he had been the driver. I breath tested him while he lay in bed.

That was a first for me. Turned out he was dead sober, just a crap driver.

Donuts.

[Max Preload]

At no time did that link specify a particular distance that you must be followed at ... merely followed ...

If you can see the "red and blues" in your rear view mirror ... you're being followed ...Where did I say it did?

[Indoo]

You could just try stopping over when legally obligated and not being a smartarse. usually makes any interactions you have with the plod alot faster and less aggravating for both parties. The conversation would probably have lasted a matter of seconds and ended with a goodnight once it was clear you weren't drinking.

[scumdog]

and you have to know you are being persued.

Wow, handy info.

Next time I'm pissed and driving home and I see the flashing blue&red lights behind me I'll keep driving until I get up my drive at home then tell the cop to piss off and tell him I didn't know I was being pursued so it doesn't count and he can't do nuffink..:bleh::woohoo:

[Coldrider]

Wow, handy info.

Next time I'm pissed and driving home and I see the flashing blue&red lights behind me I'll keep driving until I get up my drive at home then tell the cop to piss off and tell him I didn't know I was being pursued so it doesn't count and he can't do nuffink..:bleh::woohoo:maawwwwhhhhh that is out of context and you know it.
There is no persuit unless the person being signalled to stop know's he is in persuit.
That is from the horses (police) mouth.
That is quite different from entering anothers property as fresh persuit.
The persued may not know he is in persuit of, but fresh persuit he/she still has to man up on his property.


The op mentioned he suspected he was being followed, therefore he knew he was being followed.

And the big question, how do you get pissed on speights anyhow?

Maawwwhhhhhhh.......

[FJRider]

The op mentioned he suspected he was being followed ....

I think the red and blue flashing lights WAS a bit of a giveaway ... that he WAS indeed ... being followed ... :facepalm:

[Coldrider]

I think the red and blue flashing lights WAS a bit of a giveaway ... that he WAS indeed ... being followed ... :facepalm:ahhh giving the op the benefit of the doubt.

In the SI the cops don't bother following up on small fry.

They diary it and pull you up much later for something one of your mates has done which is a bit more serious and do you for it.
That is my experience anyway.

[FJRider]

In the SI the cops don't bother following up on small fry.



Well ... thats because the four cops in the SI ... have quotas to keep up. :yes:

PRIORITYS you know ... :yes:

[Coldrider]

Well ... thats because the four cops in the SI ... have quotas to keep up. :yes:

PRIORITYS you know ... :yes:There more cops than that, (and not much traffic) they even had one in Whataroa (shifted to Franz now). 'Gladys' he was known as at the time.

[FJRider]

There more cops than that, (and not much traffic) they even had one in Whataroa (shifted to Franz now). 'Gladys' he was known as at the time.

It's hard to count them .... some of the buggers take days off .... OK for some ... eh !!!

[Coldrider]

It's hard to count them .... some of the buggers take days off .... OK for some ... eh !!!This one probably perfed under his own conscience stress.
Besides they can run but they can't hide. It is a pleasure riding knowing where they are.

[Littleman]

This one probably perfed under his own conscience stress.
Besides they can run but they can't hide. It is a pleasure riding knowing where they are.

We all know your hurting.

Its not your fault.

[rustic101]

it didnt start well.
It went like this.
Him. have you hand anything to drink tonight Sir,
Me. Not a drop, have you?
Him, does your car have a current warrant of fitness and registration?
Me, Obviously it does. ( i drive a pretty decent car and live in a good street )
He then comes into my garage and starts looking around checking the warrant etc, no problems.
Me, Why have you followed me and whats this about.
Him. just a ramdon check, if we dont pull people over we dont write many tickets.!!
Me, what the fuck, if i called you people about someone burgling my property you would,nt bother turning up !
Him, dont swear at me Sir.
Him, Do you have your driving licence?
Me gives it to him.
Him. Where do you live what number is this house.
Me. I live here, obviously, the numbers on the letter box, cant you read? But i asnwer the question anyway.
He writes it down.
Me. Give me my licence back.
Him. Im going to do a check and he wanders back to his car. he's not ging to find anything, just wasting my time.
Me. please yourself, im off to bed, i close the auto door and leave him in the drive outside the gate. Go inside and leave the front door open.
Him. About five minutes later he calls from the other side of the gate, (it's an open wrought iron big gaps in it easily seen through and easily reaced through)
He holds out my licence, i go to retreive it by reching though the gate and he holds onto it so hard my fingers slip off it. I try again, and he does it again. Third time he lets it go, i just put it back in my wallet.
Him. Trying to assert some sort of authority and power says, Dont Snatch.( i hadn't)
Me, (That's done it, im mad now so says to him). You lot, if i called you for a burglary, you wouldnt even turn up, a lot of you are as bad if not worse than the criminals your supposed to be catching. And, what are you doing following men home in the middle of the night? Are you a homo or something? Get off my property, piss orrrf, i going to sleep.
He stood there like a stunned mullet for a minute after i'd gone inside and then went away.
I honestly dont know what made me so mad, im normally quite a peacful non controntaional sort. I think it was the infringment on my personal space and him walking round my garage. Oh well.
Friends now tell me i'm a "marked man". I wonder !!!
Is it just me, or is being in the police just a a "revenue" gathering job these days that it's become their main focus.
They want repect. Pah.
Anyone else have an experience similar?

Lodge a complaint as his alleged behaviour is unprofessional and needs to be addressed. If anything for his own safety.


If he has 3T'd you (completed a traffic stop) there should be a record in the system, if he hasn't he's an idiot and placing himself in danger as Comms will not know his current location if he gets into a similar situation and it goes pear shaped.

Also if he has checked your personal and licence details; his details will also be embedded in another system permanently.

Guys/ Girls like this do exist but are a rarity unfortunately they reflect badly on the great work the majority of Police do.

If your local Police District fail to acknowledge your complaint lodge a complaint (online) with the IPCA.

You may actually be doing this chappie a favour.

[Coldrider]

We all know your hurting.

Its not your fault.no he fell over when he couldn't make it gel.

[Piglet]

Yes as previously stated if you're being freshly persued (section 119? of memory ish LTA)

In his defence.... I will say that it's a common tactic for people not to stop when they're near home if something is wrong. As a cop you are in a very vunerable position up someones driveway (off the roadway, not knowing who else is at the property, who you are are dealing with yet ,and not always knowing exactly number wise where you are) and if someone whizzes up without stopping personally I always expect it to be for some 'good' reason......either drunk or disqualified. When the adrenaline gets going (cos you are nervous what you're dealing with) you can appear short at first. If you FU'd into the house I would also be thinking that you were disqualified or wanted. Having said that... if I established that all was in order I would be all sweet, but you can't blame him for being twitchy at first and you've admitted your shortness in attitude which can't have helped his. If you're a good guy, you know that, but the cop doesn't know at that stage. It really puts your twitches on alert when someone pulls into a driveway, theirs or otherwise (as it often is), when you've signalled them to stop. Put yourself in those shoes in fairness before you judge wholly. It may explain the cops attitude at first, and your reaction attitude probably was the reason for the way he was at the end.
I work on my own all the time and encounter these situations now and again. They always make me very tense as you do not know what is going to happen.

[LBD]

I honestly dont know what made me so mad, im normally quite a peacful non controntaional sort.

Rum?:shutup: