Speeding ticket from cameras?

[davenz]

Can you get a speeding ticket from cameras?

An officer came to my work this morning, said they had video footage of me doing 200+ kph from the highway cameras. How can they get a speed from video footage?

-Dave

[steve_t]

If they have 2 known points, and can measure the distance between the points, and then check the video to see how long it takes from you to get from point to point, they can calculate your speed.
I was under the impression that the traffic cams weren't to be used for speeding enforcement but maybe I'm wrong or maybe your case is special

[spajohn]

What were they fining or charging you with? Any loss of points? Dangerous driving charges?

[The Stranger]

Can you get a speeding ticket from cameras?

An officer came to my work this morning, said they had video footage of me doing 200+ kph from the highway cameras. How can they get a speed from video footage?

-Dave

So were you doing 200+ kph?
Any chance say a patrol car could have clocked you then checked the camera footage later?

[ac3_snow]

they must have some basis for such an outrageous accusation:innocent: just ask them to see the footage, they can't deny you that privilege.

[yachtie10]

video is based on a frame rate eg 25 frames per second so its not hard to calculate speed if you know the frame rate and distance travelled

[slofox]

200km/hr, huh? What was wrong? Not running properly..? :whistle:

On a more serious note, I suspect you may be fooked on this one...fingers crossed.

[Hiflyer]

Just deny it till they bring out mathematical proof/radar reading. Then say sorry, the speedo was out and you were busting for the loo.

[Usarka]

Did they actually give you a ticket?

[Banditbandit]

If they have 2 known points, and can measure the distance between the points, and then check the video to see how long it takes from you to get from point to point, they can calculate your speed.
I was under the impression that the traffic cams weren't to be used for speeding enforcement but maybe I'm wrong or maybe your case is special


video is based on a frame rate eg 25 frames per second so its not hard to calculate speed if you know the frame rate and distance travelled

What they said - either way would work and be legal evidence .. either way you're fucked ...

Do you still have your licence today ?

[avgas]

video is based on a frame rate eg 25 frames per second so its not hard to calculate speed if you know the frame rate and distance travelled
alas would be possible if its not digital - but digital has V.ariable F.rame R.ate as well as enhancement algorithm modes which make speeds difficult to compare.
However if they know someone is doing 100kph, and your in the same frame as them your fucked. Not for any particular speed - for dangerous driving....

[davenz]

No police were there, just cameras. They have already taken my liscence :(

[Jantar]

Get a lawyer. Now.

[Banditbandit]

No police were there, just cameras. They have already taken my liscence :(

The ionly thing you haven't told us is: Did you do it? Not being judgemental (Fuck I hit 200 kicks at least once a week ...) just own up and take the shit if you did ...

[avgas]

Get a lawyer. Now.
http://www.karenharding.co.nz/

apparently she is good at this stuff - give her a call and see if she can help you out

[ttmadness]

Where did this happen do you think mate? I would think a lot of people have done over 200 regularly around the Albany area. What form of camera was it? Van?

[steve_t]

Is anyone aware of when they were looking to introduce the point-to-point average speed camera system?

[javawocky]

No police were there, just cameras. They have already taken my liscence :(

200+ on a public road is a little, er silly. But who am I to judge I might have gone a little over 103.4 once or twice but always on a closed road under professional supervision :innocent:

Still for the sake of the rest of us I would ask to see the footage - and get a copy for Youtube if you can :yes: - so we know where they are putting these cameras.

I would also ask nicely when the camera was last collaborated and whether it has been tested for tape stretch due to heat etc.
Then ask what frame rate / shutter speed it was set to at the time.

[The Stranger]

so we know where they are putting these cameras.

There is no way you could keep up with their deployment around Auckland. They cover most the entire motorway system and are on many main roads such as Lincoln road and Te Atatu roads out west.
There is also a significant network in places like Auckland central and Newmarket.

[davenz]

Hi all, nope it wasn't the cameras, got pinged from a radar on the other side of the motorway, and they used the cameras to track me.

looks like I'll be getting a bit more exercise..

Cheers for all the comments.
-Dave

[The Stranger]

Hi all, nope it wasn't the cameras, got pinged from a radar on the other side of the motorway, and they used the cameras to track me.


That's what I was alluding to in post 4.
Was it day or night?

[oldrider]

Hi all, nope it wasn't the cameras, got pinged from a radar on the other side of the motorway, and they used the cameras to track me.

looks like I'll be getting a bit more exercise..

Cheers for all the comments.
-Dave

Hmmm looks like you took a risk, put out a challenge and they are taking you up on it! :shifty:

They can now use you as an excuse to bring in new measures to make the lives of the rest of us even more miserable! :facepalm:

Thanks a bunch! :scratch:

[Scouse]

Hi all, nope it wasn't the cameras, got pinged from a radar on the other side of the motorway, and they used the cameras to track me.

looks like I'll be getting a bit more exercise..

Cheers for all the comments.
-DaveYou see that is exactly why you should not admit to it being you, how can they prove that you were riding the bike at that time unless they stopped you in the act, I certainly do not think that they have a solid case to relive you of your licence instantly unless you were dumb enough to admit that it was you riding at the time of the aleged incident, so if you did not admit that it was you get yourself a lawyer.

[The Stranger]

Hmmm looks like you took a risk, put out a challenge and they are taking you up on it! :shifty:

They can now use you as an excuse to bring in new measures to make the lives of the rest of us even more miserable! :facepalm:

Thanks a bunch! :scratch:

They been using those cameras for law enforcement for yonks.
This is no different.
1984 anyone?

[racefactory]

Hmmm looks like you took a risk, put out a challenge and they are taking you up on it! :shifty:

They can now use you as an excuse to bring in new measures to make the lives of the rest of us even more miserable! :facepalm:
:scratch:

This was probably all due to the lack of awareness from the poor access to knowledge on track days.

The rider could have just travelled 75km/ 45 mins to Pukekohe and do the same speed he was doing around a corner for double fun, multiple times! Now ask yourself the question- why would such a person then frequently need to do 200+ on motorways?

Police or some authority need to stop this zealotry for speeding entrapment and arm riders with the knowledge of where they CAN speed. There is no use trying to stop us; we are merely males with machines. Young guns don't give a flying fuck about possible consequences and no one will change that.

[scumdog]

There is no use trying to stop us; we are merely males with machines. Young guns don't give a flying fuck about possible consequences and no one will change that.


True, - but prepared to pay tickets now and then - oh and of course some will kill themselves.

But no speed will be involved of course!:shutup:

[Coldrider]

There is no use trying to stop us; we are merely males with machines. Young guns don't give a flying fuck about possible consequences and no one will change that.Yes atittude can't change necessarily but they can end very quickly.

[Mungatoke Mad]

No police were there, just cameras. They have already taken my liscence :(Can any 1 ID the rider ?? Was the bike in a Locked or UNLOCKED shed that day?? How certain are they it was your bike ?? Ask as many questions as they would ask you & think twice before you answer any of theirs.

[Old Steve]

I have recently received an infringement notice for doing 85 in an 80 km/hr zone on 2/1/11. On the covering letter it states:

".. you may choose to transfer liability for this offense to the person who was. On the back of this letter you will find a Statutory Declaration form for this purpose. You do not have to transfer liability. There are no demerit points for this offence."

So, you write to the infringement office and state that a number of people rode your bike that day (didn't they?) and you cannot be sure who was riding it when the supposed offense took place. You therefore will pay the fine because you cannot identify the rider and transfer liability.

There is no demerit points for a camera registered offense, therefore you cannot lose your licence, especially for an offence which might have been committed by someone else.

[racefactory]

Should have thought twice before giving them your license mate.

[SMOKEU]

You could always bribe the cop. It has worked for me in the past.

[superman]

There is no demerit points for a camera registered offense, therefore you cannot lose your licence, especially for an offence which might have been committed by someone else.

"When speed cameras detect a vehicle breaking the speed limit by more than 50km/h, the owner will receive a Court summons and face stronger penalties." (stronger than the $30-$630 fines)

As read from my kindly sent pamphlet on speed cameras.

[rwh]

I would also ask nicely when the camera was last collaborated

:rofl:

Sorry.

Richard

[Katman]

They have already taken my liscence :(

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[Banditbandit]

True, - but prepared to pay tickets now and then - oh and of course some will kill themselves.

But no speed will be involved of course!:shutup:

So what's new ? Young testosterone-driven males have been killing themselves for centuries - the invention of the internal combustion engine juist gave us more fun ways to try it at high speed ...

[Banditbandit]

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Don't laugh too loud .. with your current demerit points you could be next ...

[Banditbandit]

You could always bribe the cop. It has worked for me in the past.

Pix or it never happened.

But seriously ... That's a serious thing to allege - and an admission of a criminal offense on your part if true. If not true, then it opens you up to a charge of defamation ... Given that there are police officers on this forum, I'd be a little worried right now if I was you ...

While I have little respect for the police in general, (some respect for individuals) I don't believe you. Our police are many things, but open to bribery is not one of them.

[Katman]

Don't laugh too loud .. with your current demerit points you could be next ...

And if that eventuates I'll happily invite you all to laugh your little socks off.

But in the meantime, I'll be equally determined to keep my nose clean for the next 12 months.

[Banditbandit]

And if that eventuates I'll happily invite you all to laugh your little socks off.

But in the meantime, I'll be equally determined to keep my nose clean for the next 12 months.

If it happens you wlil have my commiserations - I hated lossing my licence ..

In the meantime, I will laugh my little socks off at your discomfort ... and by the way, I got my licence back on September 2 last year - I currently have 55 demerit points ... at that rate I'll be lucky to still have a licence by Xmas ... One ticket at more than 135 klicks and I'm gone ... (and I've seen greater than that on the speedo three times this week .. despite my best efforts do date at slowing down)

[Timmeh:P]

I am currently working on the new Waterview connection and a number of other motorway projects around Auckland and I have visited the NZTA control room based at Smales Farm.

There are over 200 cameras and 1000's of sensors located around Auckland and Wellington.These cameras and sensors and are used to manage 8,000 kilometres of roads and motorways. The police can use these as evidence for speeding and other infringements. They also use it to track offenders running from the police.

So, basically if you are dumb enough to speed on any of the city motorways expect to get caught.

There are a number of people constantly monitoring the activities on the motorways, bus lanes, car parks, tunnels, bridges etc etc etc around the city.

As for calculating speed via cameras, as said previously in this thread... Peice of cake! White markings are at set distances on the motorways, so are many other motorway furniture, just calculate time it took to go from A to B and you have the speed.

[superman]

One ticket at more than 135 klicks and I'm gone ... (and I've seen greater than that on the speedo three times this week .. despite my best efforts do date at slowing down)

Move into a place next to a race track. It'll sort out all of lifes problems! :yes:

[Pixie]

You could always bribe the cop. It has worked for me in the past.

Is that what your username refers to?:dodge:

[SMOKEU]

Is that what your username refers to?:dodge:

Not at all.

[steve_t]

Is that what your username refers to?:dodge:

:killingme:killingme:niceone: Bling sent :drinkup:

[avgas]

They been using those cameras for law enforcement for yonks.
This is no different.
1984 anyone?
What he said.
I would ask for ALL their evidence before giving them my license - as its technically a criminal conviction.

Not sufficient evidence, they can see me in court before they get my license.

And if its BS like "you are on camera going between 2 lamp-posts in 3 frames" - sorry not good enough. Show me your exact maths and my exact speed.

Perspective and Relativity is a magical thing when it comes to electronics.

(of course if its between 2 pressure mats, sensors with camera footage to back up....your fucked)

[avgas]

1000's of sensors located around Auckland and Wellington.
Mind if I ask what they are?
Are we talking reflective, load cells or diffraction etc???

And how are they being processed? RTU's / PLC's or MUX?

[Banditbandit]

Move into a place next to a race track. It'll sort out all of lifes problems! :yes:

lazst time I was on a race track it just made me faster on the road ...

[st00ji]

sounds BS to me, i thought the whole point of all the carefully and regularly calibrated cameras etc that are used to enforce speed limits was to remove all the mumbo jumbo around this kind of thing. how much time elapsed between the alleged offence and the officer paying you a visit?

big brother watching the motorway thing sounds bogus too, plenty of mates done plenty of silly speeds on plenty of motorways with nary a knock on the door.

[admenk]

big brother watching the motorway thing sounds bogus too, plenty of mates done plenty of silly speeds on plenty of motorways with nary a knock on the door.

Yeah, I got my Harley up to 101 once and they didn't come for me :innocent:

[Timmeh:P]

From what I understand the sensors are purely for traffic flow and monitoring congestion. They count cars etc.

Cameras are there to help monitor traffic flow and control lights at junctions and also provide essential information to support emergency services such as Police, Fire and Ambulance.

As I understood it, if the police require support to capture a speeding motorist they can get help of the NZTA control centre to apprehend them (monitor their position and direction etc) but doubt they have the capabilities of getting info on your speed. (something I should have asked when I was there)

If the people monitoring the motorways etc see behaviour like speeding at 200km plus or erratic driving. I would expect them to contact the authorities.

Disclaimer: I don't work there! So I am not totally familiar with all the details. I just visited the site and talked to them about this sort of this while I was there. :blink:

[yachtie10]

just to clear up some of the claims on this thread

Has anyone recieved a ticket from speeding on a motoway where the only evidence was from cameras (not speed cameras)?

I too have been in the control room and I understand that they must get a very clear magnified picture of your licence plate which most of the cameras cannot do. I dont think they are actively looking to catch speeders but will use footage as evidence to help if needed. (this of course may change as technology and political desire changes)

The op has stated that he was clocked with radar.

[scumdog]

You could always bribe the cop. It has worked for me in the past.

I doubt it - you ain't rich enough.

And you're ugly.

[Camshaft]

i did hear those pointr to point cameras were going to b brought in over the next few years for ppl tht just slow dwn thn speed up at speed cameras, goint to be nowhere left to have fun soon

[superman]

lazst time I was on a race track it just made me faster on the road ...

:facepalm: Here's to them bringing the open road speed limit back up to 130 like it was in the pre 70s! Or was that just the motorway? Either way!

[marie_speeds]

just to clear up some of the claims on this thread

Has anyone recieved a ticket from speeding on a motoway where the only evidence was from cameras (not speed cameras)?

I too have been in the control room and I understand that they must get a very clear magnified picture of your licence plate which most of the cameras cannot do. I dont think they are actively looking to catch speeders but will use footage as evidence to help if needed. (this of course may change as technology and political desire changes)

The op has stated that he was clocked with radar.

And from what I understand from a friend they still have to clock you with a device like a speed camera or radar. The traffic cam footage does not tell them a precise and exact speed so cannot be used to issue an infringement.

[rickstv]

I think the op said he was speeding when a cop on the other side of the motorway checked his speed with a radar or laser gun and only used the motorway cameras to id him. As far as I know the only cameras that can focus on number plates are at the overhead gantry on the Puhoi stretch.

I doubt the motorway cops use the cameras to check speed.

Rick.

[SMOKEU]

I doubt it - you ain't rich enough.

And you're ugly.

It didn't involve money. I bet I'm better looking than you anyway!

[wynw]

It didn't involve money. I bet I'm better looking than you anyway!

do you swallow?:blink::sick:

[SMOKEU]

do you swallow?:blink::sick:

You seem rather keen.

[meteor]

DID you swallow?:blink::sick:

fixed... bwahahahahaha
bling sent!

[racefactory]

Any more news mate?

Did you get a lawyer?

Really hope you get away with this mate. Regularly do about 200 on the empty on-ramps before slowing down and joining the motorway. Not a sodding chance you could hurt anyone. Actually on the motorway like Ghost Rider is a totally different story however.

It's downright fanaticism they have towards speeding.

[scumdog]

Not a sodding chance you could hurt anyone. .
Mwahahah...famous last words, sorta like "The Titanic is unsinkable":rofl::whistle:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, I got my Harley up to 101 once and they didn't come for me :innocent:

Try going for Harley 102 and if you pass that you might even apply for Harley 103 ...

[red mermaid]

Ignore most of the previous advice because it is all so much rubbish. None of them will be there to support you in Court.

You did something extremely stupid, man up and take your punishment and try and learn from it.

[Flip]

One bit of advice from a cop, say nothing to the cops ever & get a lawyer.

[SMOKEU]

You did something extremely stupid, man up and take your punishment and try and learn from it.

Why should the OP have to take any punishment if they didn't do anything dangerous? Going a bit too fast is hardly a serious crime (morally, not legally).

I doubt you would be so keen to face the music if you ended up in the same position as the OP.

[bsasuper]

If you have done something wrong, the popo will stop u there and then.If they say they have you on camera etc, ask to see it, if they cant show u there and then, you can tell them to stick it.Say nothing else and ask them to leave your property as they are harassing you, or you will use the full extent of the law to make the popo exlpain.

But if you have done it then just take it lake a man.

[DangerMouseNZ]

Watching Motorway Patrol and a guy in a TVR got pinged by a cop on his radar doing 135... Cop caught up with him and the only evidence they cop had to give was that he was sure it was him.. no video evidence or anything.

Not entirely sure its fair (i.e did the cop even ping the right car) but seems as though the cops word is gospel.

Not sure much can be done in this situation.. still I think I would have taken it to court and got a bloody good lawyer if it was me!

[Clean_up]

Why should the OP have to take any punishment if they didn't do anything dangerous? Going a bit too fast is hardly a serious crime (morally, not legally).

I doubt you would be so keen to face the music if you ended up in the same position as the OP.

Im sure you would be singing a different tune if the said person doing alleged 200kph plowed into your car and killed someone.......a human travelling at 200=kph does a lot of damage to cars and other people when they collide.

[SMOKEU]

Im sure you would be singing a different tune if the said person doing alleged 200kph plowed into your car and killed someone.......a human travelling at 200=kph does a lot of damage to cars and other people when they collide.

A vehicle travelling at 100kmh can kill someone just as dead as a vehicle doing 200kmh.

[Scuba_Steve]

A vehicle travelling at 100kmh can kill someone just as dead as a vehicle doing 200kmh.

LIES!!! that's not what the TV propaganda tells me, they say if I stick to the speed limit everyone will be safe always.

[avgas]

A vehicle travelling at 100kmh can kill someone just as dead as a vehicle doing 200kmh.
Yep but the moron controlling it has 8 times the distance to prevent it from doing so at 100......

[Slyer]

If you're guilty just take the punishment like a man.

[Spearfish]

Remember other road users have to maintain 100 meters clear throughout a manoeuvre.
(not that they do)
That was designed around the current 100kph max speed. If you want to go considerably faster then get the rules changed for more distance for ALL road users.

In fact perhaps the roadside boards with the message "leave 1.5 meters for bicycles" should have "Fuck off if your not on a motorcycle"?:facepalm: (sarcasm)

Shyt why not shut down the coro loop over weekends to a one way road open for bikes only?
Sign a form wavering your rights to ACC and go for it!!!
Even then we would argue counter or clockwise around.....

Visit the square kauri?...trees, what trees, it didn't see no trees.....

[simpy1]

Watching Motorway Patrol and a guy in a TVR got pinged by a cop on his radar doing 135... Cop caught up with him and the only evidence they cop had to give was that he was sure it was him.. no video evidence or anything.


I saw that guy - I'm pretty sure the cop was able to identify which car he was measuring! It's a completely unmistakable car. And then the guy was a total asshole, that's a way NOT to get out of a ticket. It's hilarious that he was on his way to a track day. Obviously a little too eager.

[avgas]

tvr sagaris is yummy

[Finger]

So many questions need to be asked of the accusers(popo),you have the right to all of the alledged evidence. For intance, if the alledged check was per radar,how would it obtain a reading over the wall,unless it was from the rear. All that traffic,and get a reading off a motorcycle,don,t think so. Get legal advice.

[Spearfish]

230867 tvr sagaris is yummy

+1 or 2 to that.

Dunno about this one though.
230899

[steve_t]

So many questions need to be asked of the accusers(popo),you have the right to all of the alledged evidence. For intance, if the alledged check was per radar,how would it obtain a reading over the wall,unless it was from the rear. All that traffic,and get a reading off a motorcycle,don,t think so. Get legal advice.

The LEO's on here have previously said that they can just point the radar in your direction and can select it to display the speed of the fastest moving object. When the fastest moving object is traveling at twice the speed of surrounding objects, they can probably be pretty sure it's targeted them

[davenz]

Well just fyi I'm going to court on Tues, I'm not going to deny that it was me. There is one of those wire barriers there and I was the only vehicle there, hence the temptation. Apparently I am potentially endangering the public because if I crash my bike can go over the cheesecutter barrier and into an oncoming vehicle, possible yes but pretty unlikely if you ask me (isn't that the entire purpose of those barriers anyhow?).

Unfortunately the only way to get through this unscathed is to deny it was me, which I'm not going to do, call me a fool if you will.

[steve_t]

Well just fyi I'm going to court on Tues, I'm not going to deny that it was me. There is one of those wire barriers there and I was the only vehicle there, hence the temptation. Apparently I am potentially endangering the public because if I crash my bike can go over the cheesecutter barrier and into an oncoming vehicle, possible yes but pretty unlikely if you ask me (isn't that the entire purpose of those barriers anyhow?).

Unfortunately the only way to get through this unscathed is to deny it was me, which I'm not going to do, call me a fool if you will.

Respect for taking it like a man. Unfortunately, your bike wouldn't be the thing going over the wire barrier, it'd be parts of your body that get sliced up. Ban WRB now! Rant over

[Katman]

There is one of those wire barriers there and I was the only vehicle there, hence the temptation. Apparently I am potentially endangering the public because if I crash my bike can go over the cheesecutter barrier and into an oncoming vehicle, possible yes but pretty unlikely if you ask me (isn't that the entire purpose of those barriers anyhow?).



Wow, that's a great idea. Let's all act like fuckwits next to wire rope barriers. I'm mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[avgas]

Wow, that's a great idea. Let's all act like fuckwits next to wire rope barriers. I'm mean, what could possibly go wrong?
They would have to replace some posts.
That's all really. The rest is just "not delaying the inevitable"

[Swoop]

One bit of advice from a cop, say nothing to the cops ever
Very wise words.

A cop mate of mine has said exactly the same thing. I wonder why.

[blackdog]

Well just fyi I'm going to court on Tues, I'm not going to deny that it was me. There is one of those wire barriers there and I was the only vehicle there, hence the temptation. Apparently I am potentially endangering the public because if I crash my bike can go over the cheesecutter barrier and into an oncoming vehicle, possible yes but pretty unlikely if you ask me (isn't that the entire purpose of those barriers anyhow?).

Unfortunately the only way to get through this unscathed is to deny it was me, which I'm not going to do, call me a fool if you will.

i would prefer to exercise my right to silence

then the onus is on them to provide the proof

[Scouse]

230867 tvr sagaris is yummyWhats that a cigar arse sounds like Monica Lewinski

[ttmadness]

what happened with this in the end matey?

[Hans]

Pix or it never happened.

But seriously ... That's a serious thing to allege - and an admission of a criminal offense on your part if true. If not true, then it opens you up to a charge of defamation ... Given that there are police officers on this forum, I'd be a little worried right now if I was you ...

While I have little respect for the police in general, (some respect for individuals) I don't believe you. Our police are many things, but open to bribery is not one of them.

Aww bollocks. Did he name the officer involved? How can you commit defamation on an organisation? And how do you know there are no corrupt cops in NZ? That is not to say I believe him either.

[blackdog]

Aww bollocks. Did he name the officer involved? How can you commit defamation on an organisation? And how do you know there are no corrupt cops in NZ? That is not to say I believe him either.

i think we all gave up taking any notice of SMOKEU years ago

ps/ why aren't u at work?

[Hans]

ps/ why aren't u at work?

I was at work. Mobile internet ftw.

[blackdog]

I was at work. Mobile internet ftw.

roger that.