Could KB members govern...

[mashman]

the Country ... some believe not. I reckon they'd do a much better job than the soft cock PC pandering vote bribing legislating troughers that are there at the moment...

There a plenty of good ideas on KB that have been discussed over the years, 99% of which won't see the light of day (kinda proves how out of touch and timid TPTB are). Whilst there are plenty of cocks on here, me included, there are just as many, if not more in the hive of the bees. I doubt there's anyone here that would waste their time legislating against "issues", where legislation isn't going to make an iota of difference, like speeding, smacking, the voting system, previous crimes not being taken into consideration etc... or indeed setting "limits" for the sake of the PC soft cocks like pathetic educational testing thresholds, ACC risk assessments, wet bus ticket sentencing etc... There's a slew of stupid, useless rules and regulations that mean fuck all to anyone other than the accused and the judge... a system that has "worked" since forever, even before the latest raft PC rules and regs came in to being... common sense ruled the day. I have a feeling that KB'ers see through that sort of shit and may even have an idea or 2 on how to make the "systems" more effective in terms of financial efficiency and societal "norms"...

Look at it this way, it's only the govt that changes, a comparitively small number of people. There are still 10's of thousands of public workers that will do the job however they are directed to, they just need a "real" direction. You could leave the lights on quick comfortably and start focussing on issues that actually make a difference to the quality of life, and not JUST the $ value equivalent :)...

So I'm a yay, KB'ers would do a shitload of a better job than the so called "professionals".

As for the nays... Why not?

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. why not? We only need 61 people to get elected and form a Govenment ... I'm sure there are people here who could do that and make a better jobof it than any of the current bunch ...

However, could we find 61 members of KB who actually agree enough ..and secondly, are they electable ?

I doubt we could find 61 who agree (and the rest of us would probably disagree with those 61) .. and secondly I seriously doubt that 61 would be electable ... (we're bikers after all .. major point against us with the electorate.)

[Spearfish]

..... the soft, cock PC pandering, vote bribing, legislating troughers that are there at the moment...


As for the nays... Why not?

Good line that one.

[Virago]

Yeah .. why not? We only need 61 people to get elected and form a Govenment...

...And a couple of million people to vote for them. That's the tricky bit...:yes:

[wysper]

Good ideas are all good.

Now get that good idea through a committee.


Is it still good?
Is it the same idea?
What did you have to compromise?
What did you have to give up?
What did you have to trade off?

welcome to politics.

[Banditbandit]

...And a couple of million people to vote for them. That's the tricky bit...:yes:

Oh .. I dunno .. get a few bikes to run around the country, with women on the back showing tits -- or women riding asnd guys on the back, bare chested for the ladies .. promise everyone free sex and cannabis ... Might do the trick ..

[ellipsis]

...for sure...how hard is it to find a group of money hungry, lieing, cheating, thieving,mysoginistic, homo pricks and semi femmes, that like to travel, eat well and hide when the big questions are asked...should be able to come up with that group by just asking them to step up to the mark...dont even have to be pretty to behold...most people on here would rather be out riding , wouldn't they...

[puddytat]

Could the People govern?
If we can have a lotto system that allows everyone to gamble, would it be that hard to allow them to walk into the local Diary and cast a vote on issues by Referendum?
We'd only have ourselves to blame if we get it wrong & it would empower people massively & encourage them to take way more interest in policy that would affect them, rather than blaming the Politicians who they elected all the time.

Mind you, knowing the species like I do....:blink:

[Genestho]

Wysper's got it bang on.

From what I see being in Parliament is about negotiation, bureaucratic tape and so forth, at some point your original beliefs would take a side step or some beliefs would change according to other policy which can often reflect across a few policies, or alternatively you'd do a 'Hone Harawira'.

Yes it seems at times that the public know better, but when you get to the big house, I'd doubt many would know fark all..

Good ideas are just that, it's the processes that turn them into bad or misunderstood ideas (IMO)

[Banditbandit]

...for sure...how hard is it to find a group of money hungry, lieing, cheating, thieving,mysoginistic, homo pricks and semi femmes, that like to travel, eat well and hide when the big questions are asked...should be able to come up with that group by just asking them to step up to the mark...dont even have to be pretty to behold...most people on here would rather be out riding , wouldn't they...

So you're recommending Honda Riders then ?

[mashman]

Yeah .. why not? We only need 61 people to get elected and form a Govenment ... I'm sure there are people here who could do that and make a better jobof it than any of the current bunch ...

However, could we find 61 members of KB who actually agree enough ..and secondly, are they electable ?

I doubt we could find 61 who agree (and the rest of us would probably disagree with those 61) .. and secondly I seriously doubt that 61 would be electable ... (we're bikers after all .. major point against us with the electorate.)


Ok, so 61 could be tricky :rofl:, although I reckon getting the 61 would be the hard bit...

The idea is that we're not meant to agree. I realise that sounds counter intuitive, but let's face it, the current crop "agree" based on promises and "bargain" their vote/support on other issues :facepalm:, literally throwing a vote away because the vote holder probably doesn't really give a shit about a given issue as it's career neutral... I doubt it's because it's the right thing to do.

Anyhoo, I would think KB'ers more likely to finally "agree" on policy/issues, given that they'd reach a point where both sides would be "happy" to proceed because it'd be better for the people and the country than what's currently in place, they may not be happy with the outcome, but I doubt they'd stop something positive from being implemented just because they didn't like the final idea. I don't see politicians giving policy/issues that sort of care and attention, especially those who don't want to be on the losing side, because you can only stop legislation :facepalm:... isn't the whole idea? Stopping what's damaging and putting through what's positive? or at least a saner version that appeases the financial and social brigades.

The differences in perspective will make all of the difference imho.

[StoneY]

There has never been an argument in Parliament to match the voracity as would be seen if Katman, Myself, and Mom were running this country :shutup:

Ill be overe there somewhere watchin the thred >>>>>>>>>>>>

:chase:

[Bald Eagle]

Now there's a scarey thought , putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.

[Genestho]

Ok, so 61 could be tricky :rofl:, although I reckon getting the 61 would be the hard bit...

The idea is that we're not meant to agree. I realise that sounds counter intuitive, but let's face it, the current crop "agree" based on promises and "bargain" their vote/support on other issues :facepalm:, literally throwing a vote away because the vote holder probably doesn't really give a shit about a given issue as it's career neutral... I doubt it's because it's the right thing to do.

Anyhoo, I would think KB'ers more likely to finally "agree" on policy/issues, given that they'd reach a point where both sides would be "happy" to proceed because it'd be better for the people and the country than what's currently in place, they may not be happy with the outcome, but I doubt they'd stop something positive from being implemented just because they didn't like the final idea. I don't see politicians giving policy/issues that sort of care and attention, especially those who don't want to be on the losing side, because you can only stop legislation :facepalm:... isn't the whole idea? Stopping what's damaging and putting through what's positive? or at least a saner version that appeases the financial and social brigades.

The differences in perspective will make all of the difference imho.

But there's that already, there is opposition always waiting to pull pants down, and select committee and stakeholders, consultations with differing opinions, lobby and interest groups, what's so new and different about what you propose?

[george formby]

Spend a few months in local politics to see how democracy demands compromise & the wealth difference of the haves & have not's, polarises what is at the top & bottom of the agenda.

I have huge respect for most MP's regardless of media portrayal. They are mainly self made & have a long term commitment to trying to make a positive difference, as they see it, to this country & their electorate. The faces we pillory today have been working for years unseen before they climbed high enough in the ranks to warrant a journalists time.

I have no doubt in the ability of KB members to form policy & govern but do they have the stamina?

[mashman]

Could the People govern?

:rofl:, give the game away why dontcha...



But there's that already, there is opposition always waiting to pull pants down, and select committee and stakeholders, consultations with differing opinions, lobby and interest groups, what's so new and different about what you propose?


something similar to the below, but only in cases where committee, stakeholder and consultation can't decide.



If we can have a lotto system that allows everyone to gamble, would it be that hard to allow them to walk into the local Diary and cast a vote on issues by Referendum?
We'd only have ourselves to blame if we get it wrong & it would empower people massively & encourage them to take way more interest in policy that would affect them, rather than blaming the Politicians who they elected all the time.


i'd buy that for a dollar :)

[MSTRS]

Yeah .. why not? We only need 61 people to get elected and form a Govenment ...

I've even got a name for the new party all sorted...
Highway 61.
Um...er...:shit:

[Banditbandit]

I've even got a name for the new party all sorted...
Highway 61.
Um...er...:shit:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[avgas]

Sorry won't be able to attend.

Will send a neighbor down to help clear out some issues in parliament on my behalf

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[mashman]

Sorry won't be able to attend.

Will send a neighbor down to help clear out some issues in parliament on my behalf

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ooo, sausages... good call :)

[Str8 Jacket]

The 'Robert Dukie Suspension Party' anyone......?

[avgas]

ooo, sausages... good call :)
And the best is yet to come.......................fresh steaks.

Of course getting the bits of metal, wood and Gerry Brownlie out of your teeth is annoying.

[Maha]

Could KB members Govern the country?

:facepalm: not a chance, only two (at best) ever agree with each other at any one time :corn:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Of course we can run the country. But not democratically. Lets go all Egyptian on their ass. Or rock it Fiji-style and have a coup or seven.

With me in charge obviously. I would do at least as good a job as Homer Simpson did when he was in charge of the garbage men of Springfield.

I'd be fairly benevolent, and would have slightly less bunga bunga than Berlusconi, and I would re-establish transportation to Australia for criminals. Thats what it's FOR, right? Instead of our best and brightest going there, send the useless underclass. Oh, and Hone Harawira and his mum.

all I ask in return is a lot of money, personal use of a helicopter (AH64) and a big car with flags on the front. Like a Bentley or something. And comely maidens to perform my personal services.

I'll need a small truckload of Viagra, a distillery, and the Three Boys brewery relocated to my palatial mansion too.


To the barricades!

[puddytat]

Gareth Morgan for Minister of Transport & Finance....
Jimo or Swoop for Defence
ummmm.....
:scratch:

[yod]

skidmark for prime minister

he could govern the country with one hand, whilst going round the outside, knee down, and still have 70% left in reserve

[MisterD]

Lets go all Egyptian on their camel.

Fixed that for you.

[Fatt Max]

Whats the pay like...?

[Foxzee]

The 'Robert Dukie Suspension Party' anyone......?

ROFLMAO............we will either be boucing our tits off or held in place for maximum enhancement!

[Fatt Max]

ROFLMAO............we will either be boucing our tits off !

Where do I vote for THAT....??

[mashman]

Whats the pay like...?

pies and tits :)

or

a $40 million make over for the house, a few million to upgrade your car fleet, another few million for a needless board, perhaps another super city, unlimited bribe offers, the potential to sell off your country's assets, make your mates rich,
fuck over your health system for the benefit of corporations, educate kids to a 3rd world level (just ignore the UN's reports, you won't be in power at that time), bail out finance companies, shaft people who don't have "disaster" insurance, look down your nose at any minority you like (they won't affect your vote), blame those who went before you for things you clearly can;t be arsed looking at, talk bollocks on national telly and radio on the odd occasion, retend you're doing it all for your country, visit Wellington once in a while, get a chunk of your mortgage paid for, have guaranteed pay rises, make up new words, wear a stupid grin on your face, pretend to want to catch up with Australia (by 2025, you'll be long gone :)), create new taxes, generate new revenue streams without scaring off the rich people, and still manage to come out smelling like roses because you'll have noone to contest you because the people of your country have deluded themselves into believing that they couldn't do a better job themselves...

and in return you'd be required to keep the lights on, pretend that you want to make a difference and fuck around with legislation to make it look like you've been busy whilst being in govt...

Fuck it... I can do either according to my mum :)...

[cc rider]

pies and tits :)

...I like roasted marshmallows :love:

[Hitcher]

When I am Ruler, there shall be no personalised plates, and parents will have to choose their progeny's names from an officially approved list (just like in France and Denmark).

There shall be punitive fines for use of the word "ass" unless it is being used as a plain English descriptor for Equus asinus asinus. Possibly even a death penalty for repeat offenders. "Gotten" and "should of" usage will receive similar treatment.

There shall be a minimum standard set for whingers.

There shall be an annual public holiday in honour of the apostrophe.

And a myriad of other important laws.

I can hardly wait.

[Mully]

Ya know what'd be interesting?

If KBers wrote their ideal policy on a particular subject (Health, Education, Defense etc) and posted on here.

Would be interesting to see what KBers personal policies would be.

[Hitcher]

Defence: Compulsory military training for all citizens aged between 18 and 20. Double time for whingers and gimps.

Education: Nobody leaves school until they can spell, punctuate and successfully complete basic arithmetical exercises. Science curriculum would be compulsory. School leavers would have to be fluent in a language other than English.

Economy: Political and economic union with Australia. That way the whingers and gimps could go and live there.

[Swoop]

Swoop for Defence


Would be interesting to see what KBers personal policies would be.
Since you asked...

As minister of defence I would require a budget of $750- per annum.
This would be used to employ a painting contractor to maintain a sign at cape Reinga stating "Private Property - No Trespassing".
There! Saved the country millions!... or... we could go with my "thermonuclear policy"...:woohoo: interestingly, this also matches my policy on cyclists' riding in groups of 2 or more...

[Hans]

I'd make a great enlightened dictator. I'd get things done because I'm not interested in worldly posessions or a lasting grip on power. To celebrate my inauguration, I'd hang 10.000 communists, global warming advocates and Maori Party officials from lamp posts all over Wellington. You get the idea...
In other words: The reasons I'd make a great ruler are the very same reasons most Kiwis probably would want me anywhere near power.

[BMWST?]

Spend a few months in local politics to see how democracy demands compromise & the wealth difference of the haves & have not's, polarises what is at the top & bottom of the agenda.

I have huge respect for most MP's regardless of media portrayal. They are mainly self made & have a long term commitment to trying to make a positive difference, as they see it, to this country & their electorate. The faces we pillory today have been working for years unseen before they climbed high enough in the ranks to warrant a journalists time.

I have no doubt in the ability of KB members to form policy & govern but do they have the stamina?

exactly talk is cheap.even a club committee would have most people tearing thier hair out after a year(or one meeting for some)

[ellipsis]

....committees are run by guns and tanks and fukn big ego's..and lots of innuendo...(yeah I've also heard its a Spanish suppository)...

[puddytat]

I'll take the portfolio of re nationalising state assets & putting our pension fund into our countries future....here.
Also I like the idea of being escorted by bikers in black leather boots....but they'll need to be on 1198's to go with the flash new cars on the way.

[scissorhands]

Half you lot will be busted for coke and bitches and the other half ..... quicker than you can say: no more Ministerial Ducatis.

Might get a few seats in the south

[mashman]

oo oo can I have Justice please :).

I'll start by bringing back the death penalty.

Prison tents cities as in the udder thread.

Implementing a points system for arrests, convictions, non-convictions, court appearences to catch the early starters and those prone to being in trouble, also making sentencing simpler. (also linked to the death penalty if you rack up enough points, you're outta there)

Financial Crime will be dealt with MUCH more seriously.

[Big Dave]

>>Could KB members govern...<<

That is the single funniest thing I have read all week.

[StoneY]

Half you lot will be busted for coke and bitches and the other half ..... quicker than you can say: no more Ministerial Ducatis.

Might get a few seats in the south

Can we has Ministerial KTMs then mr Speaker????...Far easier to negotiate the entrance stairs with after all!

[tri boy]

Even skidmark would do a better job than that walking pile of effluent, Parakura Horormeh.
Lazy cunt has only got off his arse to get a feed, or to fart it out.
Still waiting to see him honour his statement in his maiden speach.
Lying, slimy prick.

[StoneY]

Even skidmark would do a better job than that walking pile of effluent, Parakura Horormeh.
Lazy cunt has only got off his arse to get a feed, or to fart it out.
Still waiting to see him honour his statement in his maiden speach.
Lying, slimy prick.

I thought you were talking about JK there till I read the fart it out bit
Got a linky link to Parakura's speech?

:D

[StoneY]

When I am Ruler, there shall be no personalised plates, and parents will have to choose their progeny's names from an officially approved list (just like in France and Denmark).

There shall be punitive fines for use of the word "ass" unless it is being used as a plain English descriptor for Equus asinus asinus. Possibly even a death penalty for repeat offenders. "Gotten" and "should of" usage will receive similar treatment.

There shall be a minimum standard set for whingers.

There shall be an annual public holiday in honour of the apostrophe.

And a myriad of other important laws.

I can hardly wait.

I should of gotten myself off my ass and gotten edumacated betterer then I guess....cant see your point except that you should be the bossman???

:shutup:
:rofl:

[Genestho]

Well, since we're in fantasy land... :)

Justice..

Full disclosure of previous offending in courts.

A system monitoring Judges and accountability.

Right to silence removed.

Night courts for your standard drive through 'traffic/minor' offences, to speed up court process for victims families waiting to have hearings seen to, the lengths some people have to wait for a sense of closure is sheer torture.

Eligibility for Bail for serious/violent/recidivist offenders removed.

Review of the Bill of Rights Act..! I won't go over specific points.

Uninhibited, censureship free - freedom of speech for victim impact statements!!

Less frequent parole hearings for those who have to suffer them until the offender is released.

Compulsary Military training as soon as kids leave school for two years, regardless of age. (lol, maybe starting from from 13/14 years?)

[p.dath]

How many members are on here? I don't know. Lets pretend it is 10,000.

So you would suggest we have a parliament with all these people in it instead of 100 or so MP's?


Anyone can stand as an independent MP (pointless exercise in my book). Anyone can form a new party, and put up there own people. Only has an impact under MMP if the voting is close (which it has traditionally been).

Small parties generally don't accomplish much.


So, nah, probably KBs could not run the country, and there is no indication that if they did get power that they have the skills to actually manage and run such a large entity.

[puddytat]

O.K Gene yourve got a job:yes:,what bike & in what colour do you want?
Sounds all very common sense to me.....but I struggle to think of a good common sense policy from the lot weve had ,what was it that Mashman called 'em?

[p.dath]

Well since we're in fantasy land... :)
...
A system monitoring Judges and accountability.
...

Judges can't be fired at the moment - because they claim if they had to decide over someone with a case of power they could be removed.

So lets change it drastically - and make the position like an MP - they have to be voted in for a fixed period of time. If the people like what they do they get voted in again, and if they don't, well they wont be presiding over any more cases.

You would suddenly see a drastic change in sentencing ...

[Bald Eagle]

Parliamentary Services won't buy motorbikes for members so their off my chrissy card list.

[avgas]

Could KB members Govern the country?

:facepalm: not a chance, only two (at best) ever agree with each other at any one time :corn:
I agree with this statement

[p.dath]

I agree with this statement

:lol: That proves the point. Two people in agreement. :lol:

[Maha]

I rest my case.

[avgas]

I rest my case.
I raise your case and now we are off to Parliament
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[Oscar]

This thread (and any other packed at random of this forum) would suggest that, as a group, KBers would struggle to organise a piss up in brewery.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Judges can't be fired at the moment - because they claim if they had to decide over someone with a case of power they could be removed.

So lets change it drastically - and make the position like an MP - they have to be voted in for a fixed period of time. If the people like what they do they get voted in again, and if they don't, well they wont be presiding over any more cases.

You would suddenly see a drastic change in sentencing ...

Hey, while you're at the bottlestore, grab me a case of power, and a bottle of JD? Fix you up when you drop it off...

[HenryDorsetCase]

This thread (and any other packed at random of this forum) would suggest that, as a group, KBers would struggle to organise a piss up in brewery.

:D

pretty much.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well, since we're in fantasy land... :)

Justice..

Full disclosure of previous offending in courts.

A system monitoring Judges and accountability.

Right to silence removed.

Night courts for your standard drive through 'traffic/minor' offences, to speed up court process for victims families waiting to have hearings seen to, the lengths some people have to wait for a sense closure is sheer torture.

Eligibility for Bail for serious/violent/recidivist offenders removed.

Review of the Bill of Rights Act..! I won't go over specific points.

Uninhibited, censureship free - freedom of speech for victim impact statements!!

Less frequent parole hearings for those who have to suffer them until the offender is released.

Compulsary Military training as soon as kids leave school for two years, regardless of age. (lol, maybe starting from from 13/14 years?)

Thats pretty frightening.

[Maha]

This thread (and any other packed at random of this forum) would suggest that, as a group, KBers would struggle to organise a piss up in brewery.

Mr Speaker I protest, we have (on occassion) organised piss ups and they have gone off without so much as a hitch, let alone a struggle. The struggle does not arrive until the following morning...:sick:

[Oscar]

Mr Speaker I protest, we have (on occassion) organised piss ups and they have gone off without so much as a hitch, let alone a struggle. The struggle does not arrive until the following morning...:sick:

I'm sure you've organsied them successfully by your own self, but you try to organise one in cahoots with some of the fruitbags around here.

[Maha]

I'm sure you've organsied them successfully by your own self, but you try to organise one in cahoots with some of the fruitbags around here.

I see you point, and my sentiments were mentioned on page one, remember KB's 5th birthday celebrations around the country? what a kerfuffle that was.
Ours was very successful cos' we had cake! and it was yellow and black.
Did I mention the balloons?....:woohoo:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I see you point, and my sentiments were mentioned on page one, remember KB's 5th birthday celebrations around the country? what a kerfuffle that was.
Ours was very successful cos' we had cake! and it was yellow and black.
Did I mention the balloons?....:woohoo:

cake and anal sex. Awesome! Thats a party.

[Maha]

cake and anal sex. Awesome! Thats a party.

Sure, as long as the cake gets eaten first.....:blink:

[Scuba_Steve]

cake and anal sex. Awesome! Thats a party.

"White trash get down on your knees, time for cake & sodomy" :woohoo:

[Maha]

"White trash get down on your knees, time for cake & sodomy" :woohoo:

In Tauranga, KTM means Kolourful Tarty Menfolk...:corn:

[tri boy]

Got a linky link to Parakura's speech?

:D

No link. But bascically he said he would lose a heap of weight, in an effort to be a nationwide role model for the Iwi, Hapu, Tamariki, yada, yada, yada.
Only roll he is used to is probably a super size meat lovers, with extra meat.
And rolling out of one lunch meeting and into another.
Waste of space, and time in parliament. MHO

[cc rider]

"White trash get down on your knees, time for cake & sodomy" :woohoo:Is that low fat cake or the sort wif cream filling??:blink:

[StoneY]

I see in a quote here from a known insurance speculator that I have on ignore due to his being a blue party patsy he thinks we can't organize anything on KB....

Try the southern hemisphere's BIGGEST ever group ride, (if not the worlds) without one single incident attributed to the event in regards of enforcement tickets or crash incidents

I rest my case

Anyone for cake?

[Oscar]

I see in a quote here from a known insurance speculator that I have on ignore due to his being a blue party patsy he thinks we can't organize anything on KB....

Try the southern hemisphere's BIGGEST ever group ride, (if not the worlds) without one single incident attributed to the event in regards of enforcement tickets or crash incidents

I rest my case

Anyone for cake?

You may rest your case, but I'm sure your right hand is still a blur...

[Swoop]

Luckily, if in power, we would not require the services of a BMW limo (valued at $200,000 each).
Nice of labour to sign up for a 9 year contract to supply.:facepalm:
Bunch of fucking retards, the lot of them.

[Scuba_Steve]

Is that low fat cake or the sort wif cream filling??:blink:

well it aint no low fat we only eat proper cake round our way :yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Luckily, if in power, we would not require the services of a BMW limo (valued at $200,000 each).
Nice of labour to sign up for a 9 year contract to supply.:facepalm:
Bunch of fucking retards, the lot of them.

hey that's helping to keep the unemployment down... in Belgium :facepalm:

[mashman]

heh, so because we can't get people to agree on everything, they won't be able to compromise either... that's the spirit :shit:

[rustic101]

No - Example - We were 'sold out' by our own kind around the campaign for ACC.... Then again that's Politics.

Interesting to note that the ACC fund is doing well, with bumper returns.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-fallow-on-the-economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502863&objectid=10706732

[Oscar]

heh, so because we can't get people to agree on everything, they won't be able to compromise either... that's the spirit :shit:

Actually your pal Stoney is a classic example of discussion on this site.
He didn't agree with what I said about ACC Privatisation, therefore he's has concluded that I must be:

1)A National Party Stooge.
2) In the pocket of the Insurers.
3) not deserving of a KTM.

(I am in fact only one of those options)
And just to make sure that he's not exposed to anymore contrary opinions, he's put me on ignore.

An abusive person with a closed mind - don't we already have enough of those in Gummint?

[Oscar]

No - Example - We were 'sold out' by our own kind around the campaign for ACC.... Then again that's Politics.

Interesting to note that the ACC fund is doing well, with bumper returns.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-fallow-on-the-economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502863&objectid=10706732

That result was a combination of the investment turnaround and lower than expected claims.

The recovery of the investment market is no surprise, but the fact that they had $500m less claims than expected (and that they levied for) is fucking annoying for a person with three bikes over 600cc...:angry:

[mashman]

Actually your pal Stoney is a classic example of discussion on this site.


You mean that he has an opinion, voices it in an emotive manner and in certain respects won't give up his "beliefs/principles" without a fight... I could level the same at yourself, but won't, although I kinda just did, but I'm sure we're mature enough to move passed that :)... damn him, he sounds like a frikkin tyrant and should be put down immediately :blink:. Me and Stones have our differences, don't we StoneY :yes:, but that doesn't mean that we can't agree a common ground for the common good, or even, heaven forbid, cede to one anothers arguments :shit:...

The pair of you have just demonstrated one of the main things I detest about government. Letting the personalities get in the way of the debate. Not everyone on here does that, which is why i'll still hold that KB'ers could govern :)

[mashman]

That result was a combination of the investment turnaround and lower than accepted claims.

fixed for ya :msn-wink:

[Oscar]

You mean that he has an opinion, voices it in an emotive manner and in certain respects won't give up his "beliefs/principles" without a fight... I could level the same at yourself, but won't, although I kinda just did, but I'm sure we're mature enough to move passed that :)... damn him, he sounds like a frikkin tyrant and should be put down immediately :blink:. Me and Stones have our differences, don't we StoneY :yes:, but that doesn't mean that we can't agree a common ground for the common good, or even, heaven forbid, cede to one anothers arguments :shit:...

The pair of you have just demonstrated one of the main things I detest about government. Letting the personalities get in the way of the debate. Not everyone on here does that, which is why i'll still hold that KB'ers could govern :)

I have no doubt you were tempted to all sorts of mayhem by me asking repeated and pointed questions, but you didn't resort to personalities. I disagreed with him and suddenly I'm not fit to ride a KTM(?).

BTW - as you've just quoted me, he'll be off again...

[Oscar]

fixed for ya :msn-wink:

You could be right....(but don't tell anyone I said so).:yes:

[MSTRS]

fixed for ya :msn-wink:

Beat me to it!
Can't see the number of claims being significantly less than previous years...but the number of APPROVED claims is way down.

[mashman]

You could be right....(but don't tell anyone I said so).:yes:

:rofl: i'll consider your request... but you know what you're asking... oops

[cc rider]

Is that low fat cake or the sort wif cream filling??:blink:


well it aint no low fat we only eat proper cake round our way :yes:Now that was a waste of a perfectly gud sodyumy joke... I have been away tooo long :facepalm: :)

[ducatilover]

I'll be one of the KB for country rape...I mean control MP's :woohoo:

[StoneY]

Emotive responses ... maybe
I tend to operate on the level of basic TRUTH thats all

ACC is a nof fault situation yet bikers are being penalised for a lifestyle choice
The myth of the 70$ cross subsidisation - 70$ x 2.15 million = (anyone have a calculator?)
A SHITLOAD more than the $63,000,000 and change our injuries bill was in the year 80/09

I dont need to rest my case on this one, 9,500 of us made it on the lawns of Parliamnet

[MSTRS]

ACC is a nof fault situation yet bikers are being penalised for a lifestyle choice
The myth of the 70$ cross subsidisation - 70$ x 2.15 million = (anyone have a calculator?)
A SHITLOAD more than the $63,000,000 and change our injuries bill was in the year 08/09


Just a point on this one, as sooooo many people still don't get it...
That bill of $63M was not only for all injuries in 2009...it includes all injuries from previous years still being covered. The problem with this is that from 1999 , levies were raised to cover projected costs of injuries sustained in (whatever) current year. So jump forward 10 years and Nick the Prick and ACC threw out that $63M as though it had to be paid from the current year's levies.
The real injury cost in 2009 was $24M.

[Str8 Jacket]

Luckily, if in power, we would not require the services of a BMW limo (valued at $200,000 each).
Nice of labour to sign up for a 9 year contract to supply.:facepalm:
Bunch of fucking retards, the lot of them.

Shows how much YOU know eh....

[StoneY]

No - Example - We were 'sold out' by our own kind around the campaign for ACC.... Then again that's Politics.

Interesting to note that the ACC fund is doing well, with bumper returns.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-fallow-on-the-economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502863&objectid=10706732

Which of our own kind Ken???
Hope you refer not to my organisation and our efforts?


There's more to the picture, then meets the eye....
Hey hey, my my

[Oscar]

I dont need to rest my case on this one, 9,500 of us made it on the lawns of Parliamnet

This seems to be your standard response on anything to do with ACC.
How does it relate to partially privatised workers comp. or the upturn in investment income?

[Scuba_Steve]

Now that was a waste of a perfectly gud sodyumy joke... I have been away tooo long :facepalm: :)

:shit: Shit, my bad I totally missed it :facepalm: I'll pay more attention next time :yes:

[cc rider]

:shit: Shit, my bad I totally missed it :facepalm: I'll pay more attention next time :yes:No probs dear... I was being a bit anal about it :innocent:

[Swoop]

Shows how much YOU know eh....
We DO need expensive BMW's now? :scratch: KB'ers need to make up their minds!
Price and contract was mentioned on this mornings radio news. Just going on their details (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707055).
And politcal inhabitants of the beehive are retards.

[StoneY]

Well...... I dont think we need 200k beema's a nicely mid ranged 6 cyl commodore would suffice...... funny I also think the cops would do just as well on GSX1250's as they would on Beema bikes to

On that i agree total waste of money

But not everyone in Parliament is a retard
Maybe 2 or 3 are still sane like our own KBer Dave Clendon.......

[oneofsix]

Well...... I dont think we need 200k beema's a nicely mid ranged 6 cyl commodore would suffice...... funny I also think the cops would do just as well on GSX1250's as they would on Beema bikes to

On that i agree total waste of money

But not everyone in Parliament is a retard
Maybe 2 or 3 are still sane like our own KBer Dave Clendon.......

why would you have a 6 cyl commodore when you could have a 2 wheeled beema? First country to have the dignitaries IN the motorcycle escort :woohoo:

[mashman]

why would you have a 6 cyl commodore when you could have a 2 wheeled beema? First country to have the dignitaries IN the motorcycle escort :woohoo:

d... w... f... eh... think of the ACC levies man...

[cc rider]

Well wif all yu lunitunes running da government.... Who's going to run KB??? :shit:


Bet ya didn't think of that, did yas... hah? hah?

[mashman]

Well wif all yu lunitunes running da government.... Who's going to run KB??? :shit:


Bet ya didn't think of that, did yas... hah? hah?

ahaaaaaaa, it'd just be on live parliament TV instead... could me somewhat colourful... and full of beeps...

[cc rider]

...and full of beeps
So no different to regular parliment


does that mean every time one member quotes another member a lil [/QUOTE] bubble will appear on screen

[mashman]

does that mean every time one member quotes another member a lil QUOTE bubble will appear on screen

fug it, why not. Perhaps you should produce :)

[cc rider]

Te-He! I already do mate... a lot of :drool:

[mashman]

Te-He! I already do mate... a lot of :drool:

heh, so you're in politics then

[cc rider]

Well, let's just say I serve the people ;)







(got a lil Italian job for ya mashman)

[Str8 Jacket]

We DO need expensive BMW's now? :scratch: KB'ers need to make up their minds!
Price and contract was mentioned on this mornings radio news. Just going on their details.
And politcal inhabitants of the beehive are retards.

lol, like I said, you have no idea but choosing to believe the media and political sensationalism.....

I work for Dept of Internal Affairs in Procurement. I may have a little bit more insight about the whole 'debacle' than you.... ;)

[Scuba_Steve]

Well, let's just say I serve the people ;)

... Kinky!

[oneofsix]

lol, like I said, you have no idea but choosing to believe the media and political sensationalism.....

I work for Dept of Internal Affairs in Procurement. I may have a little bit more insight about the whole 'debacle' than you.... ;)

DIA makes it sound scarier. :sunny:

[Str8 Jacket]

DIA makes it sound scarier. :sunny:

We have special handshakes and everything!

[Swoop]

lol, like I said, you have no idea but choosing to believe the media and political sensationalism...
The information appears to be correct when 200k is bandied around (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707055) as a retail price. If not believing the media, should I spend half a day phoning up (and being fobbed off onto other) government departments, only then getting 1/2 the truth?

Would you care to educate us on "the true story" perhaps?

[Str8 Jacket]

The information appears to be correct when 200k is bandied around (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707055) as a retail price. If not believing the media, should I spend half a day phoning up (and being fobbed off onto other) government departments, only then getting 1/2 the truth?

Would you care to educate us on "the true story" perhaps?

I am not stupid enough to 'educate' people on the issue as that can only lead to one thing; losing my job.

However I would state that the one of the functions of Procurement is to go to market to create a competitive bid for a product or service. If procurement, or more accurately the tender process didn't exist then then there would be minimal to no competition and Govt would always just pay 'market rates'......

[Swoop]

I am not stupid enough to 'educate' people on the issue as that can only lead to one thing; losing my job.
OK, you have proved my point regarding phoning up government departments to get information. The media is obviously the most convenient portal for TPTB to release any information to the public. An emergency press-conference "after the fact" being the other.

is to go to market to create a competitive bid for a product or service.
Quite true.:yes: Not that the best bid is always taken though.

[Str8 Jacket]

OK, you have proved my point regarding phoning up government departments to get information.

While I do get what you are trying to pint out but.... I have to sign a COI declaration, our Communications Team are the only ones authorised to release comms and fair enough too. I personally would hate to speak on behalf of the Govt....

[Swoop]

While I do get what you are trying to pint out but.... I have to sign a COI declaration, our Communications Team are the only ones authorised to release comms and fair enough too. I personally would hate to speak on behalf of the Govt....
Yup, I know where you are coming from on that point. I have signed the Official Secrets Act on at least three occasions.:facepalm:

[mashman]

Well, let's just say I serve the people ;)

(got a lil Italian job for ya mashman)

The Ministress of Entertainment :)

(as long as i'm only supposed to blow the bloody doors off)

[StoneY]

I will happilly govern if someone will get me a new back wheel for my KTM Super Duke..........just smashed it on a rock on SH2 that should never have been there

Not much fun finding your back wheel 2-3 feet in the air at speed as well as the huge kick in the ass I felt with the impact

Sigh...oh well thats what insurance is for

No 200k beema needed, just a new wheel please :yes:

[Oscar]

I will happilly govern if someone will get me a new back wheel for my KTM Super Duke..........just smashed it on a rock on SH2 that should never have been there

Not much fun finding your back wheel 2-3 feet in the air at speed as well as the huge kick in the ass I felt with the impact

Sigh...oh well thats what insurance is for

No 200k beema needed, just a new wheel please :yes:

Need any help with your claim?:innocent:

Someone quote this please...

[MSTRS]

Need any help with your claim?:innocent:

Someone quote this please...

What has insurance and broken wheels got to do with government? Oh...um...er....I'll shut up now.

[mashman]

What has insurance and broken wheels got to do with government? Oh...um...er....I'll shut up now.

:rofl: a certain health scheme springs to mind :innocent:

[cc rider]

The Ministress of Entertainment :)

(as long as i'm only supposed to blow the bloody doors off)Abiguous tag :shifty:

Let's just say I work with a lot of stiff wood & sometimes on carpet.

(you seen the pic... you blow what ever you like ;) )

[mashman]

Let's just say I work with a lot of stiff wood & sometimes on carpet.

(you seen the pic... you blow what ever you like ;) )

no end to your talents eh...

(i did... and i did , cheers goddess)

[mashman]

How the hell did the Belgians manage this:

"BRUSSELS – What would be a humiliation for many turned into a party for Belgium Thursday as the country's citizens marked 249 days without a government, a figure that they are treating as a world record in political waffling." (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_belgium_record_party)

[cc rider]

...Belgium... waffling."I luv Belgium waffles... wif syrup & cream & raspberries & .....




Oh Yeah! I'm going to be running your countries transportation system... that's OK rite?? :D

[mashman]

I luv Belgium waffles... wif syrup & cream & raspberries & .....

..... tissues ... perhaps that's all that's been keeping them going... and with ideas like that, perhaps you should run for PM! throw in some greasy chicken and my vote is bought

[oneofsix]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4674967/Belgium-striptease-protest-over-government

better than waffles but they stopped too soon :innocent:

[mashman]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4674967/Belgium-striptease-protest-over-government

better than waffles but they stopped too soon :innocent:

if they had have taken cc's advice, i realise the inherent danger in doing that :shifty:, but covering themselves in syrup, cream and raspberries coulda kept their dignity, kept them a little warmer and may well have turned into more of an interesting gathering... I can see JK now :sick:

[reemit]

No wonder they cant get anyone to put their hand up to run Belgium, have you seen the state of their public toilets, who'd want to clean them. :puke:

So if we apply logic here, with the Belgiums taking off their clothes to get someone to take charge, then the Bahranians and the Libyans prolly need to put lots more on.
Mebee if the Egyptians had done that they wouldn't have had to bash the crap outa each other for a week:bash:.
Mubarak woulda seen them puttin on their Ugg boots, polo necks and fleeces and then he woulda run for the hills.

[cc rider]

if they had have taken cc's advice, i realise the inherent danger in doing that :shifty:, but covering themselves in syrup, cream and raspberries coulda kept their dignity, kept them a little warmer and may well have turned into more of an interesting gathering... I can see JK now :sick:I understand your concern Mr Mash, but I beleive I have gotten to the root of the problem over there - from oneofsix's link...
About 50 people, most students, stripped to their underwear in the northern city of Ghent and stood to form the word 'unity', fuelled by shots of Dutch gin to keep warm.
a. They were wearing underwear in the first place. What student can afford undies.
b. The guy spelling the letter i should not have been facing the lass bent over the be the 'dot' of the i. Thus forming the word 'unlty'... not really a word now is it.
c. They were only having shots of Gin. They should ov asked MOM & I how gin shuld be proply drunk... cause we was :drinkup:

[reemit]

Thus forming the word 'unlty'

I hope some bright spark doesnt get the idea to spell 'BULLSHIT' at the next ACC protest, cos with all the fat bastards around it will probably end up as something like 'POOPSLOOP'

[mashman]

c. They were only having shots of Gin. They should ov asked MOM & I how gin shuld be proply drunk... cause we was :drinkup:

but not recently, right :)

Anyhoo... i've still yet to hear a reason other than, they can't agree on how to have a pissup in a brewery (somewhat different to actioning things at a country level)... and if that's all you've got, then it's KB'ers FTW!

[cc rider]

I concede that Belguim may be in need of a governmental colonoscopy, but do we really want to risk KB going the same way & have people stripping off in protest.

It really would be the Revolting Masses.

[FJRider]

It really would be the Revolting Masses.

Revolting en masse ....:gob:

[cc rider]

Revolting en masse ....:gob:Yeah... they is plum ugly :wacko:

[FJRider]

Yeah... they is plum ugly :wacko:

They is ... WE however ... are just plum sweetie-pies ... eh ... :wings:

[cc rider]

ROFLMAO............we will... be... held in place for maximum enhancement!My favourite qoute. I don't know what it refers to... but it has my vote :buggerd: :innocent: (wif a dirty face)

[mashman]

I still think they could. T'would be fun.

[ducatilover]

Keen as bey

[Scuba_Steve]

How to politics really good...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLJy9ZdhJXw

[Zedder]

Message from Joke Key: Sure KBers can govern, as long as they do what I say to do.

[The Reibz]

I could be keen. Just as long as some one punches the speaker of the house and we can bring in crates of waikato and lion red.
I will fab up some stainless stripper poles and a burnout pad out the back.

[Scuba_Steve]

I could be keen. Just as long as some one punches the speaker of the house and we can bring in crates of waikato and lion red.
I will fab up some stainless stripper poles and a burnout pad out the back.

But mate the plan was to make you speaker of the house & it was tankers of Vodka none of this womens stuff we want drinks with booze in it!

[The Reibz]

Yeah bro, i'll go speaker. We can go punch for punch, i'll go first ay... hahaha You can have all the vodka you want buddy, my neighbours are always calling the cops when I start drinking the hard shit.

Oh and any female apon entering the house must be immediately sleezed on by all males.

[Zedder]

Yeah bro, i'll go speaker. We can go punch for punch, i'll go first ay... hahaha You can have all the vodka you want buddy, my neighbours are always calling the cops when I start drinking the hard shit.

Oh and any female apon entering the house must be immediately sleezed on by all males.

I think most people would be happy with you just dealing to Joke Key.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah bro, i'll go speaker. We can go punch for punch, i'll go first ay... hahaha You can have all the vodka you want buddy, my neighbours are always calling the cops when I start drinking the hard shit.

Oh and any female apon entering the house must be immediately sleezed on by all males.

Think maybe we should just move parliament into Mermaids or something???

[GCSB Thought Police]

:rofl: (ah .. so that's how you put in these litle figures)

You people here governing ??? That's a good one.


Message from Joke Key: Sure KBers can govern, as long as they do what I say to do.

Sorry, you are mistaken. Mr Key does what he is told.

[Akzle]

Think maybe we should just move parliament into Mermaids or something???
no, thats in auckland. And if theres anything worse than wellington. Its auckland. Plus, that beehive looks pretty fuken big. 5 storeys of whores and pole, excellent.
We'll include cleaning it with boris' job description.

I could be keen. Just as long as some one punches the speaker of the house and we can bring in crates of waikato and lion red.


my fist act as leader will to be to outlaw anything to do with the waikato. including the actual waikato.
Red will be mandatory. Instead of a limit, there will be a minimum b.a.c. Im picking 400.
If you can stomach it, bushmans or lion brown are acceptable.

[Akzle]

no, thats in auckland. And if theres anything worse than wellington. Its auckland. Plus, that beehive looks pretty fuken big. 5 storeys of whores and pole, excellent.
We'll include cleaning it with boris' job description.


my fist act as leader will to be to outlaw anything to do with the waikato. including the actual waikato.
Red will be mandatory. Instead of a limit, there will be a minimum b.a.c. Im picking 400.
If you can stomach it, bushmans or lion brown are acceptable.

oh and the current lot of pollys are to be used for testing synthetic cannabis on.
And target practice.

[Scuba_Steve]

no, thats in auckland. And if theres anything worse than wellington. Its auckland. Plus, that beehive looks pretty fuken big. 5 storeys of whores and pole, excellent.
We'll include cleaning it with boris' job description.


my fist act as leader will to be to outlaw anything to do with the waikato. including the actual waikato.
Red will be mandatory. Instead of a limit, there will be a minimum b.a.c. Im picking 400.
If you can stomach it, bushmans or lion brown are acceptable.

We gots 1 in Wellington too, but you gots a point.

I don't know about the Waikato but I think we need to scrap the asset sales & instead have a liability sale, we'll sell off Auckland to the Chinese with the condition they install a bypass so no NZer ever need visit that country again!

[Oscar]

no, thats in auckland. And if theres anything worse than wellington. Its auckland. Plus, that beehive looks pretty fuken big. 5 storeys of whores and pole, excellent.
We'll include cleaning it with boris' job description.


my fist act as leader will to be to outlaw anything to do with the waikato. including the actual waikato.
Red will be mandatory. Instead of a limit, there will be a minimum b.a.c. Im picking 400.
If you can stomach it, bushmans or lion brown are acceptable.

Lion Brown?!
That was only developed to clean out the lower alimentary canal of Wellington ghey boys.
It's basically an oral spooge remover.

[Akzle]

Lion Brown?!
That was only developed to clean out the lower alimentary canal of Wellington ghey boys.
It's basically an oral spooge remover.

well, i prefer a government without oral spooge.
Maybe its just whats been lacking all along.

[Zedder]

We gots 1 in Wellington too, but you gots a point.

I don't know about the Waikato but I think we need to scrap the asset sales & instead have a liability sale, we'll sell off Auckland to the Chinese with the condition they install a bypass so no NZer ever need visit that country again!

Auckland's a liability? Not according to the NZ Institute of Economic Research whose figures show every other region receives more than Auckland except the Tasman:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11138871

[Akzle]

Auckland's a liability? Not according to the NZ Institute of Economic Research whose figures show every other region receives more than Auckland except the Tasman:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11138871

maybe cos jews writ it.

Theres more to 'value' than 'the economy'

fwiw my plan was a 50ft concrete wall around auckland. With a hatch to be opened in 30 years. Any survivors free to stay or leave as they want.
Either that or just half fill it with water.

[Zedder]

maybe cos jews writ it.

Theres more to 'value' than 'the economy'

fwiw my plan was a 50ft concrete wall around auckland. With a hatch to be opened in 30 years. Any survivors free to stay or leave as they want.
Either that or just half fill it with water.

Of course, the jews, yep gottcha. Is that the noun jews, adjective jews or nounjective jews though?

[Akzle]

Of course, the jews, yep gottcha. Is that the noun jews, adjective jews or nounjective jews though?

if jew have to ask, jew'll never know...

[Zedder]

if jew have to ask, jew'll never know...

That looks like a Mexican/Cheech Marin accent going on there lol.

[Akzle]

That looks like a Mexican/Cheech Marin accent going on there lol.

introduce me to your sister.

[Zedder]

introduce me to your sister.

The chances of that happenng would be tantamount to me winning Lotto "Big Wednesday".