Has anyone been pulled up for a nice chat by the Police and ACC?

[shrub]

I was at a meeting yesterday with NZTA and Police and they're very proud of a new safety initiative with ACC whereby they're stopping motorcyclists to check the standard of our machines, WOF, rego, licenses etc. They are doing it all Feb and March in Canterbury because these are "high risk" months, and are convinced it will save our lives.

Very decent of them really, and I can't wait to have some nice Cuntstable (who has probably never ridden a bike) telling me what I should be doing, and who has no knowledge of my bike telling me whether it's safe to ride. I feel so happy and safe knowing this is happening, and I will no longer get pissed off at car drivers going through red lights, tailgating me or not paying attention when they drive because I'm safe now.

Hurrah!:yes::first::drinknsin

[miloking]

Hey look its this thread again....

Welcome to the nanny police state brother....

[shrub]

Hey look its this thread again....

Welcome to the nanny police state brother....

I wondered whether it had been done before, but couldn't be arsed trolling through to find it, so apologies for recycling threads. Yeah, I love that our police want to devote time and energy to protect me from myself.

Pity that they didn't have time investigate my burglary 18 months ago, then late last year when i told them that my house was entered and my leather jacket stolen, and I knew who had the jacket, all they did was phone him up and tell him to return it. And a couple of weeks ago when my daughter had her phone stolen from her bag and the thief sent all kinds of sexually explicit texts from it they didn't have time to do anything, even when she found out who had it.

[red mermaid]

Yep, stopped by a police officer (who is a motorcyclist in his private life) checked my bike, given some freebies by another private motorcyclist who was there as part of the partnership and then sent on my way.

[Timmeh:P]

I know I am going to get s#$t for saying it... But... (rhetorical question)

How many people die during burglaries and how many people die on NZ roads?

There is some method behind the madness!

[Drew]

When Big Dave posted a thread, after he was invited to write a piece on this for the magazine I think he said that it was to be cops who were motocyclists that would be part of this initiative.

I still see it as a waste of time and money, and will achieve little.

A workshop with open invitation to bikers, to come up with and discuss our thoughts on safety might have been a good idea before implementing anything, but as Katman says, most bikers are not doing all they can now to be safe. So it occurs that it would only be more stuff we ignore.

There needs to be more personal responsibility on our part, and I think it should start being taught before we're allowed loose on the roads. The basic handling skills test is a joke, and defensive driving courses are too generic.

Don't anyone start spouting about track days either please, there is nothing to be learnt from doing the same shit we do now, just faster.

My two cents, prolly worth less to anyone else.

[oneofsix]

don't really care how good their intentions pretend to be I will be pissed off to be pulled over when doing nothing wrong for one of their "chats". The person has to be willing to listen for the talk to do any good sop this approach would be a multi-fail if tried on me, I wont want to listen at the time nor the next time I associate the advice with them.
Offer me a change to go of my own free will to a discussion then they will get listened to.

that's my 2c worth anyways.

[scumdog]

Waaa-fucking waa....ANOTHER KB waa-fest!

Enjoy!:woohoo:

[scumdog]

Very decent of them really, and I can't wait to have some nice Cuntstable (who has probably never ridden a bike) telling me what I should be doing,

Hurrah!:yes::first::drinknsin

Shit, next thing some constable who has never beaten his wife will be telling somebody who has that they shouldn't...or something like that....:blink::rofl::killingme

[buellbabe]

Don't forget your hi-vis jkt!

Then you will be damn near bullet proof!

[Paul in NZ]

Personally I think this is a great idea! In fact we shouldnt stop at bikers... We should get the ambos to park up outside fast food joints and give everyone a health check before they go in - bust any fatties into a 28 day impound - costs too much to sort out the heart attacks later. Same with bottle stores - get the sallies to check up on anyone going in, make sure their drinking survival skills are up to date... It goes on and on....

[imdying]

I wont want to listen at the time nor the next time I associate the advice with them.It'll only be you losing out, you might as well hear what they have to say since they're stopping you anyway.

Being stopped at all might be a bit on the nose, but no reason to cut it off to spite yourself.

[Hellzie]

Very true that most people don't like to get told what to do, and most are likely to comply if it is their choice to do something of their own free will... BUT even if it only works on some, it is worth it .. (i.e. the fact that they hand out info about motorcycle safety, or tell people their light isn't bright enough, etc, etc)

Personally I don't have any issues being stopped by a cop for a routine check such as checking WOF, rego, whether I've been drink driving, etc as I'm not breaking the law. It takes a couple minutes of my time, and stops those that are breaking the law and endangering everyone else on the road.

The police are there to make the place safer for everyone, they use the resources where there is most risk (first and foremost to people's lives), and currently, too many people die on our roads, so that's where some of the focus is.

[pzkpfw]

I'm quite happy to be stopped for a breath test now and then, as I think it's worth it to help keep actual drunk drivers off the road.

This seems at least a little bit similar.

[oneofsix]

The police are there to make the place safer for everyone, they use the resources where there is most risk (first and foremost to people's lives), and currently, too many people die on our roads, so that's where some of the focus is.

I remember when I used to believe that. Most police join for that reason, some because they like the authority (see the bulling thread).
One person dying on the road is too many but the roads aren't where most preventable deaths occur. More commit suicide for example, but we aren't allowed to legally talk about that. The numbers of drownings are up there too, hard to tax, sorry fine, someone for not being able to swim.
Ask me first and I will come. Stop me for a 'chat' on my way home from a hard day or to a family crisis then don't complain when I byte your head off.

[Katman]

Very decent of them really, and I can't wait to have some nice Cuntstable (who has probably never ridden a bike) telling me what I should be doing, and who has no knowledge of my bike telling me whether it's safe to ride.

From what I've heard, if you're stopped at an organised checkpoint, I think you'll find that it will be a qualified WOF inspector that will be inspecting the bike for safety.

[willytheekid]

....and yet there to busy to attend burglaries? :facepalm:

Eh, don't mind the :Police: police stopping me for a chat :psst:...there usually very nice to deal with & have one HELL of a tough job :yes:

but -SCREW ACC! :angry:
....nick smith...still got the toe of my right boot reserved just for your arse/head!...Ya lying rip-off peice of......but i digress lol

Cheers for the heads up tho Shrub :niceone:....lucky I got my "summer" rego eh.

[Bassmatt]

Travelled the Southern Motorway in and out of Auck on Tuesday. Saw 7 bikes 4 of which had been stopped by the popo (individually not a group)
Surely they cant all have been naughty, I assumed they had been pulled over for a chat.

[f4ctry]

I was at a meeting yesterday with NZTA and Police and they're very proud of a new safety initiative with ACC whereby they're stopping motorcyclists to check the standard of our machines, WOF, rego, licenses etc. They are doing it all Feb and March in Canterbury because these are "high risk" months, and are convinced it will save our lives.

Very decent of them really, and I can't wait to have some nice Cuntstable (who has probably never ridden a bike) telling me what I should be doing, and who has no knowledge of my bike telling me whether it's safe to ride. I feel so happy and safe knowing this is happening, and I will no longer get pissed off at car drivers going through red lights, tailgating me or not paying attention when they drive because I'm safe now.

Hurrah!:yes::first::drinknsin

From the tone of this post I secretly think you will love being pulled up by the police so you can show them your superior knowledge about all things motorcycles, and then when you get home you will have something to complain about on the internet to all who will listen.

The police are trying to help and your having a whinge about it.

As far as having your leather jacket stolen, you should be appreciative that someone wants....leather like disco, is dead.

[Bassmatt]

From what I've heard, if you're stopped at an organised checkpoint, I think you'll find that it will be a qualified WOF inspector that will be inspecting the bike for safety.

Sweet free WOF checks, hope they have their labels with em.:yes:

[Drew]

Scumdog is right, and I shoulda seen it coming.

This will be another waa fest, drawing parallels with other stuff that is quite inconsequential. There are many other deaths in this country that could be avoided, but since this is a biker forum that's kinda not the point.

Pulling bikers over and doing safety checks is a waste of time and will stop little in the way of accidents and deaths. Or even rider awareness as most of us are well aware of the condition of our bikes. This I am sure of.

There are ways to reduce the numbers though, that are simple and easily implemented, the cost will be on riders so the government shouldn't have a reason to ignore them. That it is not being lobbied or actioned is the fault of us, not them.

Think I'll unsubscribe from this one, it'll be the same as all the others.

Peace out.

[Usarka]

That's all scumdog seems to say these days.....

The timing (after the levy increase) and the fact it's done independently from the new safety council make it hard for old cynics to believe it's anything but an excuse to catch bikes with unpaid rego.

[ukusa]

I can see it now, biker stopped by occifer & ACC xpert. roadside WOF check done, safety message said, a wave goodbye :bye: biker leaves safe in the knowledge he is now extra safe, and then :shit: BANG :thud:, the biker get's hit by a car just around the bend.
Now that worked, didn't it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Shit, next thing some constable who has never beaten his wife will be telling somebody who has that they shouldn't...or something like that....:blink::rofl::killingme

:shit: they exist??? :shutup:

[Scuba_Steve]

From what I've heard, if you're stopped at an organised checkpoint, I think you'll find that it will be a qualified WOF inspector that will be inspecting the bike for safety.

What like one from VTNZ? :facepalm:

[oneofsix]

What like one from LTNZ? :facepalm:

LTNZ or VTNZ?

[Mystic13]

Yep, stopped on the Coro Loop by them. Wasn't thrilled about it. Hot day and all. I didn't appreciate the encouraging talk to be vigilant, to take care and be alert. Didn't appreciate them taking the time to explain this was a high risk area, didn't appreciate that they forgot to give me the DVD that they gave to every other rider. But most of all didn't appreciate being stopped in the hot sun, joining a cue of bikes and sitting there boiling while they worked their way down the cue. And lastly didn't appreciate this targeting a group of road users in this manner. If this was about safety you'd think they'd forgo the rego check.

Next time how bout stopping us somewhere in the shade. Or waiving us on if you have too long a que/cue?.

It's kind of like getting a pep talk from a well meaning parent and having to stop what you're enjoying to do it.

Sometimes those parental pep talks just have the reverse effect.

[slofox]

This is hardly new. The first time I was pulled over for a "friendly chat and safety check" was in 1968...the last time was in 2008. None in between.

Once every forty years ain't too bad is it?

[oneofsix]

Shit, next thing some constable who has never beaten his wife will be telling somebody who has that they shouldn't...or something like that....:blink::rofl::killingme

Like someone who has never dealt with unruly kids telling someone how they should deal with them or someone who never ridden a wife, sorry had a wife, telling someone they shouldn't argue. No its just a bad example. Someone who's never driven telling you how to drive would have been better.

[Scuba_Steve]

LTNZ or VTNZ?

yea the 2nd 1, my bad:facepalm:

[Waxxa]

I can see it now, biker stopped by occifer & ACC xpert. roadside WOF check done, safety message said, a wave goodbye :bye: biker leaves safe in the knowledge he is now extra safe, and then :shit: BANG :thud:, the biker get's hit by a car just around the bend.
Now that worked, didn't it.

...by a U-turning copper no doubt :facepalm:

[shrub]

From what I've heard, if you're stopped at an organised checkpoint, I think you'll find that it will be a qualified WOF inspector that will be inspecting the bike for safety.

As the guy who does my warrants says, "I'm wasting my time doing this test because I know your own regular checks exceed anything a WOF requires". I learned a long time ago, when my handlebars vibrated loose on an old XS650 and sent me over the front when I hit the brakes, that regularly going over my bike with a fine tooth comb is a good idea. Before I set off to do my running around today I checked brake lights, indicators, horn and gave the bike a quick visual - a habit that might have saved my arse a year or so ago when I discovered my brake light switch wasn't working. Most weekends i clean my bike and inspect every wire, hose, tie etc. I check my tyre pressures regularly and have a pump in my shed and a good tyre guage I take everywhere and as I'm heading down my cul de sac I check steering head bearings, brakes etc.

If I'm on a recreational ride, I want to ride my bike, not sit on the side of the road while somebody who once did a course on motorcycle WOF inspections ticks a few checkboxes and a noble, brave and almost lovable Police Officer (happy Scumdog?) tells me how to ride safely. If i'm on my way to a meeting (I use my bike as primary transport - my car has massive spider webs all over it), then I don't want to be held up. If I am on my way to meet a friend over a coffee or a cold one, then that's what I'm doing and I don't really want to chat about motorcycle safety with ANYONE.

Someone has compared it to a booze bus breath test - I don't have a problem with that because it takes a few seconds out of my journey to pull off my lid and state my name and sexual preferences, and I like the idea of drunks not being on the road at the same time as me.

[Katman]

As the guy who does my warrants says, "I'm wasting my time doing this test because I know your own regular checks exceed anything a WOF requires". I learned a long time ago, when my handlebars vibrated loose on an old XS650 and sent me over the front when I hit the brakes, that regularly going over my bike with a fine tooth comb is a good idea. Before I set off to do my running around today I checked brake lights, indicators, horn and gave the bike a quick visual - a habit that might have saved my arse a year or so ago when I discovered my brake light switch wasn't working. Most weekends i clean my bike and inspect every wire, hose, tie etc. I check my tyre pressures regularly and have a pump in my shed and a good tyre guage I take everywhere and as I'm heading down my cul de sac I check steering head bearings, brakes etc.



You'd be surprised at the number of motorcyclists who don't.

[shrub]

When Big Dave posted a thread, after he was invited to write a piece on this for the magazine I think he said that it was to be cops who were motocyclists that would be part of this initiative.

I still see it as a waste of time and money, and will achieve little.

A workshop with open invitation to bikers, to come up with and discuss our thoughts on safety might have been a good idea before implementing anything, but as Katman says, most bikers are not doing all they can now to be safe. So it occurs that it would only be more stuff we ignore.

There needs to be more personal responsibility on our part, and I think it should start being taught before we're allowed loose on the roads. The basic handling skills test is a joke, and defensive driving courses are too generic.

Don't anyone start spouting about track days either please, there is nothing to be learnt from doing the same shit we do now, just faster.

My two cents, prolly worth less to anyone else.

At the meeting I was at yesterday Jim Furneaux, driving standards manager of NZTA, and a motorcyclist himself, outlined many of the things you're talking about. They're overhauling the licensing process to make it much more relevant to ability to ride a motorcycle well and looking at a number of pretty good stuff. Apart from the silly idea to pull motorcyclists over, I was pretty impressed.

Now, if they pulled scooter and small bike riders over to talk about gear and riding in the cycle lane....

[davebullet]

A workshop with open invitation to bikers, to come up with and discuss our thoughts on safety might have been a good idea before implementing anything, but as Katman says, most bikers are not doing all they can now to be safe. So it occurs that it would only be more stuff we ignore.

Now there is a bloody good idea.

Spend some of the money to cover mechanics' wages and have people bring their bike in for a subsidised checkup.

I suspect it is badly worn tyres that would be the mechanical culprit for any accident. In a very rare occasion, maybe ruptured brake lines or leaking seals etc.... In 99% of cases - it's more than likely the rider.

PS: When I say mechanical culprit - it ultimately is the rider that is responsible (maintenance neglect). Very rarely does machinery just fail these days.

[shrub]

You'd be surprised at the number of motorcyclists who don't.

And that is one of the reasons so many crash (not have accidents - crash). I know you and I have disagreed over quite a lot, but in many ways I agree 100% with you and the first thing any of us do before we get on our bikes is take our safety seriously. That means:

wearing appropriate gear for the journey,
making sure our bike is safe to ride every time we get on it,
making sure our skill level is adequate for the journey
switching off the testosterone pump and ignoring idiots who want to race
riding to the conditions and being willing to stop or slow down if necessary
recognising that there are other road users who are too distracted to see us, don't realise how close we are or use their mirrors and/or indicators


i don't think having a cop, an ACC rep and maybe a WOF inspector on the side of the road will make people realise that. Most, if not all, of the people I regularly ride with think that way (most of the time), and I think the overwhelming majority of motorcyclists would be willing to think that way if approached the right way.

So how do we get to the riders who don't think smart, and how do we find a way to convince them that it's a good idea?

[The Pastor]

Waaa-fucking waa....ANOTHER KB waa-fest!

Enjoy!:woohoo:

FTP

but yeah they did this in the coromandel this summer. Waste of time, just wanting to get more tickets.

Facts are this, the high risk areas, like the coromandel, the accidents are not caused by un rego/woffed bikes. They are in areas where people go to have fun, push the limit and crash. These bikers don't give two shits what the law says and there is not much you can do to stop this, these people have always existed and always will

Having cops stop every bike and chat only gathered some more tax for the government and reduced the public opinion of the police.

[Hellzie]

And that is one of the reasons so many crash (not have accidents - crash). I know you and I have disagreed over quite a lot, but in many ways I agree 100% with you and the first thing any of us do before we get on our bikes is take our safety seriously. That means:

wearing appropriate gear for the journey,
making sure our bike is safe to ride every time we get on it,
making sure our skill level is adequate for the journey
switching off the testosterone pump and ignoring idiots who want to race
riding to the conditions and being willing to stop or slow down if necessary
recognising that there are other road users who are too distracted to see us, don't realise how close we are or use their mirrors and/or indicators


i don't think having a cop, an ACC rep and maybe a WOF inspector on the side of the road will make people realise that. Most, if not all, of the people I regularly ride with think that way (most of the time), and I think the overwhelming majority of motorcyclists would be willing to think that way if approached the right way.

So how do we get to the riders who don't think smart, and how do we find a way to convince them that it's a good idea?

Can I add one last bullet point???

having an open mind and remembering that there is always more to learn about riding no matter how experienced you may be

[Genestho]

They're overhauling the licensing process to make it much more relevant to ability to ride a motorcycle well and looking at a number of pretty good stuff.

What's just as awesome, is that we finally have opening for motorcycling consultation as stakeholders with NZTA on roading and roadcode projects.

Yesterday, I learned there'll be inclusion for motorcyclist consultation on the roadcode, that's local to my area, and if it's local it shirley (if there's those that will put hands up and put in the yards, in other regions - all initiatives are regional, at the expense of repetitiveness) will go further...

If you want change, get into it. (IMO)

[Usarka]

So how do we get to the riders who don't think smart, and how do we find a way to convince them that it's a good idea?

That is the key right there.

Most people who advocate all the points you listed have either learnt from a) experience, b) maturity, or c) predisposition to risk aversion.

All the a's and b's who advocate this stuff need to ask themselves "what would it have taken for me as a young/inexperienced rider to come to this same conclusion?"

[RDjase]

Now, if they pulled scooter and small bike riders over to talk about gear and riding in the cycle lane....

Thats a great idea ! Just found this link off the ACC website

http://www.scootersurvival.co.nz/




Do any tickets get given at these "Freindly Stops" ?

Or are the ticket books left at the Station and warnings given to sort out your bike?

[shrub]

Can I add one last bullet point???

having an open mind and remembering that there is always more to learn about riding no matter how experienced you may be


Excellent!

[Bald Eagle]

Can I add one last bullet point???

having an open mind and remembering that there is always more to learn about riding no matter how experienced you may be



Don't go getting all sensible, you'll ruin the rep of the whole place :facepalm:

[NighthawkNZ]

I was at a meeting yesterday with NZTA and Police and they're very proud of a new safety initiative with ACC whereby they're stopping motorcyclists to check the standard of our machines, WOF, rego, licenses etc.

REGO has nothing to do with safety

[Oakie]

As long as I only get stopped on the way home from work and not on the way to work thus makeing me late and having to speed to make up the lost time.

[Gremlin]

This is ridiculous...

I've done 5400km across the upper North Island in the last month, and haven't seen a single safety check.

I don't think they exist. :innocent:

[ukusa]

This is hardly new. The first time I was pulled over for a "friendly chat and safety check" was in 1968

they had safety initiatives in 1968?

[baptist]

they had safety initiatives in 1968?

Yep they always made sure the red flag had not fallen of the pole before they let you set off again...:innocent:

[RDJ]

You'd be surprised at the number of motorcyclists who don't.

Equally, I suggest you'd be surprised at the number of motorcyclists who do.

[slofox]

they had safety initiatives in 1968?

Yep! They introduced compulsory helmet wearing about that time...ish.

[jimichelle]

its just another revenue gatherer
they are expecting to catch lots of bikes which are not reg due to the huge cost that have been foistered on them

[carver]

Shit, next thing some constable who has never beaten his wife will be telling somebody who has that they shouldn't...or something like that....:blink::rofl::killingme

a woman should know her place eh......

[carver]

people die, that is part of life....
cant protect people from themselves.....

[pzkpfw]

people die, that is part of life....
cant protect people from themselves.....

Not that I necessarily agree with the entirety of your sentiment and how it may or may not apply to motorcycle use...

...have you seen the fuss in Wellington over pedestrians walking in front of busses?

("SMIDSY" - said the walker (from hospital) to the big freakin' bus!)

[AllanB]

Thoughts.

I'm quite happy for them to pull over random cars to check for WOF's, seat belts etc.

A shit load of motorcyclists no longer do any of their own vehicle maintenance and rely on bike shop servicing and WOF checks to pick up anything (the old it's new nothing will be wrong attitude).

They are welcome to stop me and discuss bikes - hell I'll talk to a lamp post for ages about bikes. Hell I may even get some advise from the office on how to get rid of the last 5mm of chicken strips off my tyres! :yes:

[dangerous]

I was at a meeting yesterday with NZTA and Police and they're very proud of a new safety initiative with ACC whereby they're stopping motorcyclists to check the standard of our machines, WOF, rego, licenses etc. They are doing it all Feb and March in Canterbury because these are "high risk" months, and are convinced it will save our lives.



OK, forgive me as I have only read the 1st couple a posts... Its the ACC in the title that cought my attention.
IMO bike condition has SFA to do with accos and ACC claimes... lets attack biker dress conduct. I have been amazed over the last month in Chch which has had some farking hot days... the amount of riders in shorts and singlets etc.
My view on this is they/you have fucking rocks in ya head, sure I dont cear 'much' if ya end up grating all ya skin off BUT I do cear that their/your ACC claims put my levvie even hight than it all ready fucking is.

From scooter riders in town to Harley riders on the open road, shit sake 2 week ends ago in Gebbies I had a Buell in a sinlet comming at me on MY side of the road, arsehole.
If in a 36* day I I have 'all' my leathers on to do my best for ACC why cant others?

Maybe if some have seen what I have a girl wearing next to nothing on a scooter tangled up in a car and draged... NO blood cos all her flesh was worn off including her boobs, she lived but never recovered mentaly.

how I do Katman?

[tri boy]

Yep, stopped on the Coro Loop by them. Wasn't thrilled about it. Hot day and all. I didn't appreciate the encouraging talk to be vigilant, to take care and be alert. Didn't appreciate them taking the time to explain this was a high risk area, didn't appreciate that they forgot to give me the DVD that they gave to every other rider. But most of all didn't appreciate being stopped in the hot sun, joining a cue of bikes and sitting there boiling while they worked their way down the cue. And lastly didn't appreciate this targeting a group of road users in this manner. If this was about safety you'd think they'd forgo the rego check.

Next time how bout stopping us somewhere in the shade. Or waiving us on if you have too long a que/cue?.



Thats my little "waaaah" about this gig.
Coppers are only pissing the riders off.
Hot sun. Full riding gear. Que in a line. Then get a boring speel from a rozza.
Thats real helpful to rider-coppa relations:brick:

[schrodingers cat]

Was the chat as boring as this thread?
I sorta hoped you crazy 'one percenters' would be a bit edgier than this. All I can hear is a bunch of losers whining about living in a society that cares.
Perhaps you 'mad dogs' should fuck off to South Africa

[awa355]

Yep! They introduced compulsory helmet wearing about that time...ish.

And bikes started coming out with disk brakes, even if they were stainless steel and proved useless in the wet. About 72 they abolished the reduced speed limit for bikes with pillion passengers. 45mph/75kph?

[James Deuce]

Was the chat as boring as this thread?
I sorta hoped you crazy 'one percenters' would be a bit edgier than this. All I can hear is a bunch of losers whining about living in a society that cares.
Perhaps you 'mad dogs' should fuck off to South Africa

Are you insane or merely deluded?

It's simply a ploy to catch those who haven't renewed their rego as a result of the unjustified ACC levy increase.

ACC are involved so they can go "nyah, nyah, nyah" to motorcyclists who get caught.

There's no "freebies" being given out either. What's the bet the "ring fenced' $30 is paying for that?

[schrodingers cat]

Are you insane or merely deluded?

It's simply a ploy to catch those who haven't renewed their rego as a result of the unjustified ACC levy increase.

ACC are involved so they can go "nyah, nyah, nyah" to motorcyclists who get caught.

There's no "freebies" being given out either. What's the bet the "ring fenced' $30 is paying for that?

OMG! You're right! THEY ARE OUT TO GET US!
Excuse me while I rush out to buy weapons and bottled water

[James Deuce]

OMG! You're right! THEY ARE OUT TO GET US!
Excuse me while I rush out to buy weapons and bottled water

Sigh. They're not out to "get" us. They sure as hell don't "care". There's easy money to be made, that's all.

[schrodingers cat]

There is no THEY.

Personally I don't give a shit. My riding represents exceptional 'bang for buck'

I intend to try living a long HAPPY life, not tilting at windmills.

[scumdog]

This is ridiculous...

I've done 5400km across the upper North Island in the last month, and haven't seen a single safety check.

I don't think they exist. :innocent:


Yes they do - mostly in the minds of paranoid KBers who whinge on here...

[Coldrider]

Yes they do - mostly in the minds of paranoid KBers who whinge on here...Chicken Little, the sky is falling!

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes they do - mostly in the minds of paranoid KBers who whinge on here...

I'm not paranoid! They're after me I tell ya I know they are:confused:, They're watching me right now but they can't read my mind or control me with they're mind control rays 'cause I always wear my tinfoil hat :bleh:. Make sure the rest of you are careful they track you with the colour red, stay away from red!

[oneofsix]

I'm not paranoid! They're after me I tell ya I know they are:confused:, They're watching me right now but they can't read my mind or control me with they're mind control rays 'cause I always wear my tinfoil hat :bleh:. Make sure the rest of you are careful they track you with the colour red, stay away from red!
Oh crap I thought it was blue. No matter they can't see me in my black bike gear, the ACC scooter website says so :facepalm:

[red mermaid]

You poor little thing, did you melt?

And do you really think you were nearly as hot as the cops, also standing in the sun on the hot road, but having to wear stab proof vests that will make you way hotter than bike gear ever will.

Take a concrete pill!



. But most of all didn't appreciate being stopped in the hot sun, joining a cue of bikes and sitting there boiling while they worked their way down the cue. And lastly didn't appreciate this targeting a group of road users in this manner. If this was about safety you'd think they'd forgo the rego check.

Next time how bout stopping us somewhere in the shade. Or waiving us on if you have too long a que/cue?.

It's kind of like getting a pep talk from a well meaning parent and having to stop what you're enjoying to do it.

Sometimes those parental pep talks just have the reverse effect.

[Coldrider]

You poor little thing, did you melt?

And do you really think you were nearly as hot as the cops, also standing in the sun on the hot road, but having to wear stab proof vests that will make you way hotter than bike gear ever will.

Take a concrete pill!You could always climb the banks of the Manawatu Gorge and take photographs of vehicles crossing the yellow lines, it's usually pretty bleak through there at best, and you won't come into contact with any motorists.

[dangerous]

There is no THEY.

Personally I don't give a shit. My riding represents exceptional 'bang for buck'

I intend to try living a long HAPPY life, not tilting at windmills.

So you think its ok for our rego/acc levies to double every year due to those riding with out correct gear and or no rego's?

I dont, its my time out, I dont ask for much justan afternoon on the bike, but at the rate acc/rego goes up things will change and ya know what NOT my fucking doing, I do all I can to avoid claiming acc etc and so far done a bloody good job, why do I have to pay for the half wit in hospital cos they wore sfa and arsed up?

[porky]

Cops , ACC and the Tui girls........its all in the marketing...... that would be worth stopping for :yes:

[schrodingers cat]

So you think its ok for our rego/acc levies to double every year due to those riding with out correct gear and or no rego's?

I dont, its my time out, I dont ask for much justan afternoon on the bike, but at the rate acc/rego goes up things will change and ya know what NOT my fucking doing, I do all I can to avoid claiming acc etc and so far done a bloody good job, why do I have to pay for the half wit in hospital cos they wore sfa and arsed up?

I shall take a ringside seat to enjoy the spectacle Don Quixote...

[Coldrider]

Don Quixote...400 years old, we know the ending, save the popcorn.

[Muppet]

Reading this thread reminds of the townsfolk gathering in Blazing Saddles! We are doing at least one checkpoint a day aimed at motorcycles in Christchurch. I could write a book on what we've seen, mostly to do with bikes overtakling moving traffic on the left (and in one case on the right, on Durham Street). Don't get me started with moped riders! They might as well be riding naked. If you get stopped and you have no rego or wof you'll get a ticket. Why should you get let off when the rest of us comply? Saw a nob this arvo overtake a line of moving traffic on Papanui Road in the cycle lane, he obviously realised he was running out of room as he crossed Harewood Road so he just forced his way in front of a car. If this was you and you're reading this, the only reason you won't be getting a notice for Careless Use is I couldn't get your plate number. We have seen this every day in the past week. Tossers like this just make us look bad, just like cyclists do when they take up half the bloody road and refuse to budge. Rant over!

[warewolf]

The police are there to make the place safer for everyone, they use the resources where there is most risk What the police do is based far more on politics than science. Road safety my arse.

[warewolf]

REGO has nothing to do with safetyNot of itself, but there is a strong relationship between risking a fine due to no rego, and other risky behaviour. They're just playin' the odds.

[scumdog]

What the police do is based far more on politics than science. Road safety my arse.

Who cares, you screw up or cheat - you pay, simple eh!

[shrub]

Sigh. They're not out to "get" us. They sure as hell don't "care". There's easy money to be made, that's all.

I think they do care, even if its only to get the statistics down to make next year's report look little better and increase their bonus. The only thing is I don't believe they have spent enough (any?) time learning about motorcyclists or our concerns and issues, so what we get is an imposed patriarchal and largely ineffective series of initiatives.

[tri boy]

Who cares, you screw up or cheat - you pay, simple eh!
And there it is ladies and gentlemen.
The true NZ coppers attitude.
No leeeway, no thought of variances in situations. They make loose judgements on the side of the road, knowing that blue uniform is like the security blanket they piddled on when they were in nappies.

[thepom]

I was riding in the bike lane on papanui rd a couple of weeks ago when the police were attending a cyclist who was knocked off by a car and the policeman on duty seen me and ran across the road to give me a well deserved bollocking but no ticket! My response was " I thoght I was still in the bus lane" and his response was
"If you could get a bus in there your a better driver than me".......he was doing his job and I was trying to get past the traffic,...........got away with it this time but not next time maybe..........

[schrodingers cat]

I was riding in the bike lane on papanui rd a couple of weeks ago when the police were attending a cyclist who was knocked off by a car and the policeman on duty seen me and ran across the road to give me a well deserved bollocking but no ticket! My response was " I thoght I was still in the bus lane" and his response was
"If you could get a bus in there your a better driver than me".......he was doing his job and I was trying to get past the traffic,...........got away with it this time but not next time maybe..........

Are you sure? Concensus here is that every cop is a (insert blah blah)
If he was seen doing this I'm sure he'll get stood down for more bastard training.
A proper cop would have pepper sprayed you and stolen your wallet

[ttmadness]

its all just to bust us for not paying rego. bastards the lot of them.

[superman]

I was happy with the "Ride Safe" at a blow a cop stop I got. He also mentioned he'd give me a hi-vis vest but he'd run out :facepalm:

[dangerous]

its all just to bust us for not paying rego. bastards the lot of them.
well then... rego the drivers licence, can only ride or drive 1 at a time, and make the fine heavy as if not current.

[Usarka]

I was happy with the "Ride Safe" at a blow a cop stop I got. He also mentioned he'd give me a hi-vis vest but he'd run out :facepalm:

Tell him to post it to you, they happily do that with tickets.

[scumdog]

They make loose judgements on the side of the road, knowing that blue uniform is like the security blanket they piddled on when they were in nappies.

Hey, you sound just like the peadophiles do when they get caught....bleating their guts out claiming what they do ain't wrong...

[scumdog]

its all just to bust us for not paying rego. bastards the lot of them.

Waah, cry me a river bro..

[Highlander]

its all just to bust us for not paying rego. bastards the lot of them.

Here is a thought, you could make life hard for them by keeping your rego all paid up.

[bogan]

Here is a thought, you could make life hard for them by keeping your rego all paid up.

thats what i do, and to get round the bollocks levy increases i just don't pay my van rego instead! maybe to ensure bikers pay all thier regos they should be stopping cages too?

[tri boy]

Hey, you sound just like the peadophiles do when they get caught....bleating their guts out claiming what they do ain't wrong...

Ya got a few kiddie fiddlers in ya family?
Explains alot.

[dangerous]

its all just to bust us for not paying rego. bastards the lot of them.So you are admitting to not paying ya rego... bet ya still claim ACC if need be, a levvie those of us that do regester fucking pay for.




I was happy with the "Ride Safe" at a blow a cop stop I got. He also mentioned he'd give me a hi-vis vest but he'd run out :facepalm:

Hi viz, what a farking crock... try education, used to work befor the'wrap em um in cotton wool brigade'


Ya got a few kiddie fiddlers in ya family?
Explains alot. your crusing close to some red bling fella... you have no idea what people like SD put up with do ya? nothing close to his family, thats low.

[scumdog]

Ya got a few kiddie fiddlers in ya family?
Explains alot.

Nah, all your victims...explains a lot...

[Highlander]

...
Hi viz, what a farking crock... try education, used to work befor the'wrap em um in cotton wool brigade'



Dunno where you got your glow vest, mine is just nylon - are the cotton wool ones warmer ? Special issue for the colder climates?

[dangerous]

Dunno where you got your glow vest, mine is just nylon - are the cotton wool ones warmer ? Special issue for the colder climates?
Ha bloody HA... ;) my point is if every single biker wore a day glow vest, the death rate wouldent ulter, education, dress code, to much power for the rider, born agains, youth, EDUCATION... said that didnt I.
Yet again this being two rides in a row two weekends in a row and I mean a 40min ride I was faced with a head on, this time two bulavards cutting a corner in Gebbies pass, fuck wits simple as, obviously the bikes are to big for them and they need educating as they cant ride for shit, a vest or chat by some copper woulden have made a shit of a differance.

[Highlander]

Ha bloody HA... ;) my point is if every single biker wore a day glow vest, the death rate wouldent ulter, education, dress code, to much power for the rider, born agains, youth, EDUCATION... said that didnt I.....

Couldn't agree more. Just couldn't resist the urge to give your cage a rattle.




Yet again this being two rides in a row two weekends in a row and I mean a 40min ride I was faced with a head on, this time two bulavards cutting a corner in Gebbies pass, fuck wits simple as, obviously the bikes are to big for them and they need educating as they cant ride for shit, a vest or chat by some copper woulden have made a shit of a differance.

I don't understand the difficulty a lot of people have with the concept of KEEP LEFT. I conciously try to keep all of me and my bike within my lane. That means when going around a right hander I keep my wheels far enough left for the highest point of my bike / rider / pillion combination to be completely within my lane.
The corners are the fun part why cut them?

[dangerous]

I don't understand the difficulty a lot of people have with the concept of KEEP LEFT. I conciously try to keep all of me and my bike within my lane. That means when going around a right hander I keep my wheels far enough left for the highest point of my bike / rider / pillion combination to be completely within my lane.
The corners are the fun part why cut them?simple... shear farking lazyness.
Thing is like the current trend of running reds cutting corners has to a lot become acepable.

[scumdog]

I don't understand the difficulty a lot of people have with the concept of KEEP LEFT. I conciously try to keep all of me and my bike within my lane. That means when going around a right hander I keep my wheels far enough left for the highest point of my bike / rider / pillion combination to be completely within my lane.
The corners are the fun part why cut them?
So bloody true, no head-on crashes would happen if people stayed on their side of the road...

[superman]

Came around a corner quite fast as you do at around midnight in the country side, fucking huge truck appeared out of nowhere. I was on my side he was on his so it was all merry, but the shock of not expecting him to be there made me push down the bike so hard I nearly ended up in the ditch. I was so angry at myself for reacting so poorly to just a standard oncoing lorry!

Nice to know my bike can handle such a tight corner though... good to find out at some point... :facepalm:

[jafar]

I was at a meeting yesterday with NZTA and Police and they're very proud of a new safety initiative with ACC whereby they're stopping motorcyclists to check the standard of our machines, WOF, rego, licenses etc. They are doing it all Feb and March in Canterbury because these are "high risk" months, and are convinced it will save our lives.

Very decent of them really, and I can't wait to have some nice Cuntstable (who has probably never ridden a bike) telling me what I should be doing, and who has no knowledge of my bike telling me whether it's safe to ride. I feel so happy and safe knowing this is happening, and I will no longer get pissed off at car drivers going through red lights, tailgating me or not paying attention when they drive because I'm safe now.

Hurrah!:yes::first::drinknsin

The cops/acc arn't just targeting bikes, I have seen them set up to target trucks & cars too. Good to see my tax money being put to use in a positive way. :yes:

I'd like to see more of it, there are far too many unregistered, un warranted crapheaps on our roads & piss poor drivers that need a wake up call . Well done :Police: & ACC, this is a move in the right direction IMHO.

Enforcement can only do so much, education is the key to getting our roads safer.

[superman]

I'd like to see more of it, there are far too many unregistered, un warranted crapheaps on our roads & piss poor drivers that need a wake up call . Well done :Police: & ACC, this is a move in the right direction IMHO.

Agreed ACC should be a fair burden for anyone on the road. Anyone who doesn't pay it and uses the road is making others pay more. If everyone paid then they would probably make even more than a $2 billion increase from their estimate meaning we'll end up with lower levies in the coming years! Pay now cheap later? Pretty pleeeeeease

[JMemonic]

The cops/acc arn't just targeting bikes, I have seen them set up to target trucks & cars too. Good to see my tax money being put to use in a positive way. :yes:


You need to re read the original post, yes they are, in certain regions targeting bikes, obviously Canterbury has followed suit from the 100 days campaign held in Nelson, Marlborough, and the West Coast.

Canterbury recently target only motorcycles in a speed related campaign where lasers were used in camper vans on the side of the road, or did you miss that little media snippet?

The truck stops are part of CVIU's brief after all that is what they are tasked to do, any examples of campaigns targeting cars specifically?

I am happy to see campaigns that will have a positive effect on the road toll, but handing out high vis vests, seriously that wont safe lives if other road users are incapable of looking at the traffic.

[oldrider]

Does anyone get the feeling these days that the worst danger facing motorcyclists on the road today is "other motorcyclists"! :shit:

Times sure are a changing! :facepalm:

[NighthawkNZ]

Does anyone get the feeling these days that the worst danger facing motorcyclists on the road today is "other motorcyclists"! :shit:

Times sure are a changing! :facepalm:

Katman..... do

[jafar]

You need to re read the original post, yes they are, in certain regions targeting bikes, obviously Canterbury has followed suit from the 100 days campaign held in Nelson, Marlborough, and the West Coast.

Canterbury recently target only motorcycles in a speed related campaign where lasers were used in camper vans on the side of the road, or did you miss that little media snippet?

The truck stops are part of CVIU's brief after all that is what they are tasked to do, any examples of campaigns targeting cars specifically?

I am happy to see campaigns that will have a positive effect on the road toll, but handing out high vis vests, seriously that wont safe lives if other road users are incapable of looking at the traffic.

I read it fine, I was pointing out that they are also targeting other road users as well.
The camper vans would have got anyone exceeding the speed limit, the media spin was that they were targeting bikes

[dangerous]

Does anyone get the feeling these days that the worst danger facing motorcyclists on the road today is "other motorcyclists"! :shit:

Times sure are a changing! :facepalm:
yes... more close calls of recent with on comming bikes than cages, and having witnessed worse riding on the way to woodstock than I saw with cages... not good aye, no doubt its why I pay so farking much for my rego.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'd like to see more of it, there are far too many unregistered, un warranted crapheaps on our roads & piss poor drivers that need a wake up call . Well done :Police: & ACC, this is a move in the right direction IMHO.


I'd like to see less of it until they setup a system where we can all pay our FAIR share.

I have a couple of vans, couple of bikes, a landrover & a car. They can get fucked if they think I'm paying for all those vehicles.
The van's get used maybee 10-20 weekends at best thats less than 40 days of the year yet they expect damm near 600$ each for them.
The landrover is used as a landrover should, "Off-road" but is driven to & from the "fun", again a few weekends out of the year & they expect near 300$ for that.
I can only use 1 bike at a time yet they expect over 400$ for one & over 500$ for the other.
So I pay 1 bike (the more expensive one) & the car This I consider more than my FAIR share & they can get fucked if they think I'm paying anymore.

OK thats my rant on the subject :mad:

[dangerous]

I'd like to see less of it until they setup a system where we can all pay our FAIR share.

I have a couple of vans, couple of bikes, a landrover & a car. They can get fucked if they think I'm paying for all those vehicles.
The van's get used maybee 10-20 weekends at best thats less than 40 days of the year yet they expect damm near 600$ each for them.
The landrover is used as a landrover should, "Off-road" but is driven to & from the "fun", again a few weekends out of the year & they expect near 300$ for that.
I can only use 1 bike at a time yet they expect over 400$ for one & over 500$ for the other.
So I pay 1 bike (the more expensive one) & the car This I consider more than my FAIR share & they can get fucked if they think I'm paying anymore.

OK thats my rant on the subject :mad:

fully hearing ya... thats why I posted further back paying Rego/acc on and with ya drivers licence, only an indervidual wof per vehicle.
For now buy a X plate costs the same and can be put on any similer vehical, 'colector' is the reason for needing the plate.
Traveled the island on one (note the plate) however ya not ment to travel further than 200k from home or something.

232796

[JMemonic]

I read it fine, I was pointing out that they are also targeting other road users as well.
The camper vans would have got anyone exceeding the speed limit, the media spin was that they were targeting bikes

Media spin yeah ok

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/27035.html

[rwh]

fully hearing ya... thats why I posted further back paying Rego/acc on and with ya drivers licence, only an indervidual wof per vehicle.

Doesn't work either; many people have a licence but don't actually drive or ride, or not much.

Per km like RUC might work.

Richard

[superman]

Doesn't work either; many people have a licence but don't actually drive or ride, or not much.

Per km like RUC might work.

Richard

Fuckers would wind back the kms though!!! :angry:

Plus that would mean for people living in the wops they'd end up paying more even though they are in a much less likely to crash area just because they drive further.

[dangerous]

fully hearing ya... thats why I posted further back paying Rego/acc on and with ya drivers licence, only an indervidual wof per vehicle.


Doesn't work either; many people have a licence but don't actually drive or ride, or not much.Richard
Good point didnt think bout that...
OK this will rark a few up, REGO is a small fee per vehicle, ACC is an indervidual insurance, if ya choose to wear a snglet crash and claim... higher premium, If like me and never used acc a cheaper premium. Choose not to pay then arseholed out of the hospital (or at least back of the cue)
Great aye simple to, now Im not having to pay for all the half wits out there.

[AD345]

ACC is an indervidual insurance,

No

It's not

It is a universal compensation scheme. Which is COMPLETELY different

The National party wants you to THINK that it is an insurance scheme, but you're brighter than that yes?

[bsasuper]

took the tiger 110 out for a quick scoot around the block, what do you know, ran into the local popo.After checking and telling me I had no rego or warrant(Yes i knew), he threw me a hi-viz vest and saftey pack and said If you put the hi-viz on and go straight home, there will be NO fines.

[warewolf]

Per km like RUC might work.Take away all the other ACC collection points, and put it all in fuel. Bike sitting in the garage (or lounge room) don't get taxed while they are unused. You can't ride without fuel. The more you ride, the more exposure, the more you pay. The more aggressively you ride, the more fuel you use and the greater risk, but also the more ACC you're contributing. Covers the offroad folks, too. And if a mate borrows a bike, again it's using fuel so contributes.

Plus has the side effect of encouraging more efficient use of fuel.

[dangerous]

No

It's not

It is a universal compensation scheme. Which is COMPLETELY different

The National party wants you to THINK that it is an insurance scheme, but you're brighter than that yes?well more so than you... re read my post slower.

[miloking]

Take away all the other ACC collection points, and put it all in fuel. Bike sitting in the garage (or lounge room) don't get taxed while they are unused. You can't ride without fuel. The more you ride, the more exposure, the more you pay. The more aggressively you ride, the more fuel you use and the greater risk, but also the more ACC you're contributing. Covers the offroad folks, too. And if a mate borrows a bike, again it's using fuel so contributes.

Plus has the side effect of encouraging more efficient use of fuel.

Nice idea but rugby players and snowboarders still wont contribute nothing...yet cost the most...