Speed camera photo with another vehicle in it. Can I get off?

[Old Steve]

January 2nd, I went for a ride around the Rotorua lakes. Mid January, Igot a camera speed ticket for doing 85 in an 80 km/hr zone (4 km/hr tolerance over the holiday period).

I wrote off and asked for the photo. Two weeks later, wrote again and reminded them that without the photo I would be unable to accept or tranfser liability for the infringement. Finally, posted two days after the expiry of the infringement response period, the photo arrived in the mail. I have a couple of problems with the photo.

1. The quality of the photo. It looks terrible, my bike (going away) appears out of focus, I can't just not read the registration plate, I can't even tell that the bike has a registration plate - I went out and checked, yeah it does. Also there's a car coming towards the camera, which is in focus, it's registration plate has been blacked out with permanent marker pen, and that car and my bike almost overlap.

To be honest, and I've included this comment in my response to NZ Police, if that photo comes from their approved speed detection equipment then they need to have a serious review of the equipment they're using. It looks like a hand held, auto-focus, low resolution digital camera was used. Sure it has the bar across the top with the identity of the location and the camera and the speed, but anyone could crank that up on Photoshop.

2. There is another car coming towards the camera in the photo. It almost overlaps the image of my bike. This car is in focus, my bike isn't. Would the other car distort the speed recording?

What I want to know, will I still have to pay the infringement if another vehicle is in the photo? Has anyone ever responded because of another vehicle being in the photo but still had to pay or have they got off? Also, what have the speed camera photos others have received looked like. This was printed on A4 printer paper, looked just like an inkjet or colour laser printer. Definitely not on photo paper.

Now don't get me started on how safe it is to ride along staring at your speedo and not being aware of the road and traffic conditions. My suspicions about the NZ Police's interest in road safety versus revenue collection don't need to be included here. Hey, 5 km/hr above the limit - that's not dangerous. My speedo needle is 5 km/hr wide for God's sake. I reckon it'd be safer for me to be doing 90 km/hr and looking out for other vehicles, changes in the road's condition, and pedestrians than looking excessively at my speedo so that I didn't exceed 84 km/hr.

[sil3nt]

Just suck it up. Think of all the times you get away with speeding. Surely the fine for 5km/hr over the limit isn't that much?

[Pussy]

5 km/h over the limit?? That's right up there with drowning kittens in the orphanage's water supply!! (p/t!)

I reckon under those circumstances, with multiple vehicles in the pic, that it is worth defending

[What?]

more than 1 vehicle in the frame = no way of proving which one was over the limit. Write back and deny any wrong-doing.

[FJRider]

Only a few K's over the limit ... right ... :killingme

[Old Steve]

Oh yeah, I'm going to dispute it. I've written 3 letters so far. My middle names aren't "Pedantic Prick" for nothing.

I just wanted to hear from someone who actually got off because there's a second vehicle in the photo. Or who had to pay even though a second vehicle was in the photo.

[QUOTE]Only a few K's over the limit ... right [QUOTE]

Actually, only one (1) km/hr over the reduced tolerance level.

[ac3_snow]

Yea stick it to the man!!! :finger:

haha sounds to me like a damm good reason to get off it.

[FJRider]

Oh yeah, I'm going to dispute it. I've written 3 letters so far. My middle names aren't "Pedantic Prick" for nothing.

I just wanted to hear from someone who actually got off because there's a second vehicle in the photo. Or who had to pay even though a second vehicle was in the photo.

So .... it wasn't you and your bike in the photo ... and you weren't speeding ... right ... ??? :wait:

[Oblivion]

Do you want to scan it and upload it? I might make the situation alot clearer. :bleh:

[FJRider]

Do you want to scan it and upload it? I might make the situation alot clearer. :bleh:

He got pinged 5 km's over the limit ... $30 ... how clear do you need ... ??

[Virago]

Does the photo have the date / time / speed stamp on it?

If it has a "-" (minus) in front of the speed, it refers to a vehicle travelling away from the camera.

5 clicks over the limit must only be a $30 fine? Is it worth all the time and aggrevation?

[Oblivion]

He got pinged 5 km's over the limit ... $30 ... how clear do you need ... ??

Really...? Is it that little?

I usually see people with 100$ fines. Didnt really think it was that cheap for 5k over

And my bad, tickers not working 100%. must be excess sugar. :weird:

[FJRider]

5 clicks over the limit must only be a $30 fine? Is it worth all the time and aggrevation?

$30 indeed ... no aggro ... it's given me a laugh .... :lol:

[Old Steve]

Hey I told you my middle names were "Pedantic Prick"

[steve_t]

I'd suggest the photo is a LOT clearer on their monitor and would be clearer on photo paper. Photo paper is too expensive. They should email the photos out these days or at least make them available online to a secure login. Plain paper would, as you said, not let you make out rego plates unless the plate was close to the camera

[FJRider]

Hey I told you my middle names were "Pedantic Prick"

From the "horse's mouth" ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1843055

[cheshirecat]

......but without public acceptance every photo with another car in it would be challenged,"

interesting

[steve_t]

From the "horse's mouth" ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1843055

Over $38m a year in speed camera revenue :gob:

[Mully]

My understanding was they didn't issue a ticket where there were two vehicles in frame.

Clearly my information is wrong, and whoever gave me said information needs a beating.....

Wait:

Police do not issue tickets if the photos can be disputed because of clarity, obstruction or if more than one vehicle is in the picture.

Post up the pic, OP.

[hellokitty]

when I queried my ticket as here were 2 other cars in the picture, I was told they have a special tracking device that tracks each lane and therefore can tell which car is speeding... blah blah :rolleyes: really? :spanking: I have no idea if this is true

[Mully]

*Snort*


Mr Macdonald said he did the review because speed cameras had the potential to save lives and financial costs.

It acknowledges the common view that revenue collection is an objective of the cameras but says "there is no evidence to support this view"

Riiiiiiiight.

Get rid of speed camera fines and make it speed camera demerits then, arseholes.

[HQfiend]

Contest it! They have probably sent a ticket to the car in the photo too hoping that either 1 or both of you will pay up!
Contest using the +/- 15% speedo error (WOF requirements) defence as a back up (if needed) to the 2 cars in the picture ploy.
30 bucks is 30 bucks these days (2.5 hours work for most after tax). You could buy 3.5 blocks of butter in Rangiora with that $30!

[ukusa]

when I queried my ticket as here were 2 other cars in the picture, I was told they have a special tracking device that tracks each lane and therefore can tell which car is speeding... blah blah :rolleyes: really? :spanking: I have no idea if this is true

I was under the impression that fixed speed cameras are triggered from a strip in the road, therefore they could tell which lane triggered it.

[jimbo600]

"Speed cameras acted as a deterrent at accident black spots and reduced the incidence of reoffending if drivers were sent a notice."

Accident black spots?? Fuck off. Funny how these "Black Spots" are always at the bottom of a hill or on a straight piece of road.

Just wait till we get average speed cameras. Man I'm glad I flicked the road bike and went off road.

[rastuscat]

Fixed cameras can differentiate between lanes.

Mobile cameras can differentiate between traffic travelling in different directions.

Yawn.

[geoffm]

Fixed cameras can differentiate between lanes.

Mobile cameras can differentiate between traffic travelling in different directions.

Yawn.

Yup, cast your mind back to 5th form physics - thanks to the Doppler Shift, radar will give a direction of travel, but can't differentiate between multiple vehicles in the same direction, although many cops with mobile radar in the car believe it can... Basic science is not a prerequisite for the coppers.
If the other car was going in the opposite direction to you, tough luck.

[oldrider]

Contest it ... too much garbage surrounding speed camera warfare ... lacks integrity IMHO!

Police are embarrassing themselves over this subject and their duplicitous behaviour IMHO!

We have some very good and dedicated police officers, this shit denigrates their good work! (again this is only MHO)

[Exzackery]

I wonder if a GPS logger is court admissible. I always have one running and it is used by the racing teams of the planet. I would imagine it would be far more accurate than a beam on your headlight… that is prolly provable too

[javawocky]

Hey I told you my middle names were "Pedantic Prick"

Contest it, $30 might not be worth the time and effort, but think of all the entertainment you are going to get out of them for that $30. All you need are a few cleverly crafted letters and marker pen lines on their shoddy picture and at the end of it you will have a great story to tell at the local pub, even if you don't get off.

They got $38mil income, why not let them work for their $30!

[grantnz]

Contest it ... too much garbage surrounding speed camera warfare ... lacks integrity IMHO!

Police are embarrassing themselves over this subject and their duplicitous behaviour IMHO!

We have some very good and dedicated police officers, this shit denigrates their good work! (again this is only MHO)

Agreed, dispute it. If the fine is only $30 all the more reason to dispute it. Someone in Traffic Control will finally figure out it will cost them more to get the $30.00 than what it is worth and tear up the ticket.
Got off one myself a few years back,( camera photo) all it took was writing a letter every time I got one from them. 6 letters over 14 months and they gave up.

[grantnz]

We have some very good and dedicated police officers, this shit denigrates their good work! [SIZE="1

And they wonder why the public has no respect for them anymore.

[ac3_snow]

Does the photo have the date / time / speed stamp on it?

If it has a "-" (minus) in front of the speed, it refers to a vehicle travelling away from the camera.



Nice to see there is the odd piece of factual information that makes its way onto here!

[Virago]

And they wonder why the public has no respect for them anymore.

Are you authorised to speak on behalf of the public...?

[The Stranger]

5 km/h over the limit?? That's right up there with drowning kittens in the orphanage's water supply!! (p/t!)


You ghastly animal, who would even think of doing such a thing? (p/t!)

[Rhys]

keep on writing they are most likely to give up :bleh:

[Bassmatt]

From the "horse's mouth" ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1843055

Horses mouth alright....
"But Auditor-General David Macdonald wants more people to be fined in line with the practice in Victoria, Australia, where 85 per cent of drivers caught by speed cameras are given tickets.

Are they still gonna claim its not about revenue gathering:killingme

[Swoop]

It seems rather strange that you had to write to them twice to get a copy of the photo.
Perhaps they were wondering if the fine should have been sent out in the first place?

Large radar return from car : smaller return from bike?:scratch:

As Virago says, does the photo show a "-"?

[CookMySock]

Oh yeah, I'm going to dispute it. I've written 3 letters so far. My middle names aren't "Pedantic Prick" for nothing.As soon as you start to negotiate with them, you inadvertently consent to get involved and for them to make some ruling about this.

Write CANCELLED on the fine and return it. Attend a hearing and tell them NO CONSENT in this jurisdiction.

[Banditbandit]

Contest it - if you can't read the number plate you can't be sure it's you and you can't accept guilt ...

Just don't tell us you've asked for legal aid ..

[C.Linnell]

Definitely contest on the grounds you can't see your plate number in the photo. It's just due diligence on your part.

I'm pretty sure you can't contest on the multiple vehicles point, because I think that applies only to two vehicles in the same direction. Opposing directions would be easy to differentiate.

Of course, you could argue that the car in the photo was reversing in his lane at 85kph... :msn-wink:

[george formby]

I would be very keen on finding out if the car in the photo has been fined too.

[R-Soul]

Write to them and ask them to send a picture that is visible, as the current one does not prove a thing. They will have to go to the trouble of getting photo paper, printing it and sending it again.

Then send them another letter asking for another photo, but this time ask them to frame it... :rolleyes:

And yes, the combined accruracy tolerances from both the speed detection unit, as well as the speedometer, could easily result in you subjectively having believed that you were not speeding.
Just because the cops declare eth hiolidays as revenue collection days, does not mean that the practical difficulties in doing so just dissappear. If they declared holidays as being 5km/hr less on the speed limit (i.e to 45km/hr + 10kph inaccuracy tolerance), then the would be fine, but they cannot just change tolerances.

Its all in the wording you see...

[R-Soul]

I also wonder if they have sent out notices of infringement to any other bikes that happen to have a similar license plate?

[ukusa]

Contest it - if you can't read the number plate you can't be sure it's you and you can't accept guilt ...

Just don't tell us you've asked for legal aid ..

how did they know where to post the ticket if the number plate can't be read?

[Maha]

how did they know where to post the ticket if the number plate can't be read?

Its a wonder its has taken this long for someone to pick up on that.

[steve_t]

how did they know where to post the ticket if the number plate can't be read?

Banditbandit didn't say the plate can't be read. He said "if YOU can't read the number plate [on the plain paper photo print], YOU can't be sure it's you..."

Back to my earlier post, I'm sure the photo when viewed on a computer monitor or even printed on photo paper shows the licence plate clear as day :niceone:

[scumdog]

Are they still gonna claim its not about revenue gathering:killingme

So everybody agrees it's only the fines that are wrong and there's nothing wrong with the speed cameras per se - and if it was (as mentioned elsewhere) a case of only demerits being issued and no fine everybody would live happily ever after??:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

Definitely contest on the grounds you can't see your plate number in the photo. It's just due diligence on your part.



So how did they get his address ... to send him the bloody ticket ... ???

Lucky Guess ... ??? :weird:

[CookMySock]

So everybody agrees it's only the fines that are wrong and there's nothing wrong with the speed cameras per se - and if it was (as mentioned elsewhere) a case of only demerits being issued and no fine everybody would live happily ever after??:msn-wink:Heh, no.

If the king doesn't have a proper income he should go get one and stop harassing his er, loyal subjects about it, coz its starting to fuck them off and soon they wont wear it any more. Capice?

[Gubb]

Heh, no.

If the king doesn't have a proper income he should go get one and stop harassing his er, loyal subjects about it, coz its starting to fuck them off and soon they wont wear it any more. Capice?
You gonna go International again?

[MSTRS]

You gonna go International again?

I hope so...he was gone for aaaaages.
It was nice.

[R-Soul]

how did they know where to post the ticket if the number plate can't be read?

Thahts why I asked if they posted infringement notices to all bikes having a remotely similar plate..

[C.Linnell]

So how did they get his address ... to send him the bloody ticket ... ???

Lucky Guess ... ??? :weird:


Obviously, but as has been mentioned, if he can't read it, then he can't be sure it's him, and he needs to be sure. There's little the OP can do here except contest on identity grounds (perhaps the plate is really fuzzy and they just picked the one it looked closest to).

If that fails, OP could contest on technical grounds (but are we really sure the camera can't spot that speed difference?)

[FJRider]

Obviously, but as has been mentioned, if he can't read it, then he can't be sure it's him, and he needs to be sure. There's little the OP can do here except contest on identity grounds (perhaps the plate is really fuzzy and they just picked the one it looked closest to).

If that fails, OP could contest on technical grounds (but are we really sure the camera can't spot that speed difference?)

Obviously ... ??? Can't be sure ... ??? So he can't remember where he was a few weeks previous ... ??? and especially can't remember if he was in the area / at the time stated on the original ticket ... ??? and... the "person" on the bike "just happens" to be wearing the same riding gear the OP has ... (OK coincidence ... right ... ???) :killingme

If the OP "can't" remember any / ALL of that ... he shouldn't be on the road ... in control of a bike OR in control of a car ... :no:

Personally ... in MY opinion ... Your theory lacks (a LOT of)credibility .... :rolleyes:

[Mully]

I don't know why everyone is hung up on the photo quality. Old Steve clearly said the quality was poor and it was printed on plain paper - not photo paper.

I'd suggest it's dangerous to contest based on that, because all the PIB need to do is come back with a clearer image. Someone read it to get his rego number.

For one thing, I'd be denying that I was speeding and contesting based on the other vehicle in the picture.

Of course, if I looked at it honestly and I was guilty, I'd pay the fine and shut up.

[Bliksem]

Ask ex girl friend / boss to take take bike for a spin past camera again, might have to do 91k's to trigger it

Request the photo of the second ticket, if its still fuzzy, at least you've got someone to blame.

[FJRider]

Of course, if I looked at it honestly and I was guilty, I'd pay the fine and shut up.

NOWHERE in the thread does the OP ... DENY it was him in the photo ... HE looked at it "honestly" ... and still expects to get out of the ticket ...

[Mully]

NOWHERE in the thread does the OP ... DENY it was him in the photo ... HE looked at it "honestly" ... and still expects to get out of the ticket ...

Ahh. Tis the KB way

[Clockwork]

For 85 in an 80kph area with permitted speedometer tolerances greater than the Paula Roses's arbitrary and temporary new tolerance limits, I'd be looking to get off it too.

[Old Steve]

Just to clear up a couple of things.

I'm angry over the expectation that I should ride around with my eyes glued on my speedo so that I don't go 5 km/hr over the posted limit. I thought the Police were interested in road safety. Obviouly not, just interested in revenue. This was a holiday area, cars parked on the roadside, families on the beach, possibly kids running across the road from houses on the left to the lake, so I was watching out for hazards and not staring blankly at my speedo to stay within 4 km/hr of the posted speed. And yes, I do think 80 km/hr was a safe speed through this area, obviously those who set the road speed limits think so too.

The photo doesn't allow me to see the rego plate because of poor printing quality and the paper on which it is printed, but the bike is definitely out of focus. I presume the Police have a 5Gb, 1000x600 mm image on their computer which allowed them to read the rego plate.

On the information bar at the top of the photo, the speed reads just "85 km/hr", no +ve or -ve. There is an "away/towards" entry, this photo has "away", after the speed entry.

[FJRider]

I'm angry over the expectation that I should ride around with my eyes glued on my speedo so that I don't go 5 km/hr over the posted limit.

The photo doesn't allow me to see the rego plate because of poor printing quality and the paper on which it is printed, but the bike is definitely out of focus. I presume the Police have a 5Gb, 1000x600 mm image on their computer which allowed them to read the rego plate.

On the information bar at the top of the photo, the speed reads just "85 km/hr", no +ve or -ve. There is an "away/towards" entry, this photo has "away", after the speed entry.

Just to clear a few things up ...

Exceeding the speed limit is an offence (or at least ... a traffic infringement) how YOU achieve that is your problem ...

So you dont refute their claim it was YOU in the photo ... just you cant read the rego in the photo provided ...

So you were photographed while you were traveling away from the camera ... so the car in the photo would need to have been traveling in reverse at 85 km/hrto be the subject of interest in the photo sent to you ...

Perhaps you are guilty as charged ...

[Kickaha]

just interested in revenue.

That must be why a while back they reduced the fines and upped the demerits

[wysper]

Just to clear up a couple of things.

I'm angry over the expectation that I should ride around with my eyes glued on my speedo so that I don't go 5 km/hr over the posted limit.

After riding on your bike (what ever it is) you should be able to judge the speed pretty accurately with out having to have your eyes glued to the speedo. Do you do that in the car?

When you get to an area where the speed has changed, surely it is not difficult to adjust to the new speed, and pretty much keep to it. The bike will generally only go faster if you apply more throttle.

It is your choice as a rider to choose how close to the speed limit you sit, either just under it, bang on it, just over it or well over it. If you travel just over it be prepared to get nabbed sometimes. There are plenty of times when you will have been travelling over the speed limit and not got nabbed.

Oh and the you is a general you not a specific getting at you you.

[Jantar]

After riding on your bike (what ever it is) you should be able to judge the speed pretty accurately with out having to have your eyes glued to the speedo. .....

Strange. After riding for 40 years I have not yet developed this skill. I can tell when I riding too fast or too slow for the conditions, but not whether I'm too fast or too slow for any abitary speed limit. I have tried looking at the speedo just every now and again, but even that means taking my eyes off the road for 3 seconds. So like Old Steve, my preference is to ride safely, rather than absolutely legally.

Maybe you could assist by teaching us how to jusdge the speed so accurately without reference to a speedo.

[steve_t]

Strange. After riding for 40 years I have not yet developed this skill. I can tell when I riding too fast or too slow for the conditions, but not whether I'm too fast or too slow for any abitary speed limit. I have tried looking at the speedo just every now and again, but even that means taking my eyes off the road for 3 seconds. So like Old Steve, my preference is to ride safely, rather than absolutely legally.

Maybe you could assist by teaching us how to jusdge the speed so accurately without reference to a speedo.

+1 I thought I could maintain speed by listening to the pitch of the exhaust but it's so easy to creep up (or down for that matter) that you really do need to look at your speedo regularly to maintain speed within a small tolerance

[scumdog]

After riding on your bike (what ever it is) you should be able to judge the speed pretty accurately with out having to have your eyes glued to the speedo. Do you do that in the car?



I have tried this not looking at the speedo thing - rarely very far out when I do look.

And it only takes a glance at the speedo - not 3 or four seconds, shit, why do people claim it takes them that long? - are they trying to hypnotise it or something??:blink:

You don't actuall have to read the number, do you?

[red mermaid]

Perhaps they are not as competent a rider/driver as you...and I?

And that would be why they 'have to spend 3 sec' looking at the speedo.

[Jantar]

I have tried this not looking at the speedo thing - rarely very far out when I do look.

And it only takes a glance at the speedo - not 3 or four seconds, shit, why do people claim it takes them that long? - are they trying to hypnotise it or something??:blink:

You don't actuall have to read the number, do you?

Tom, you have sat on my bike, and yes, it does take that long to look at the speedo, estimate just where between the 10 kmh divisions it is, then subtract the speedo error. While looking at the speedo I have dropped my vision so far that the road isn't even in perepheral vision.

Alternatively I can look at the GPs and get my speed exactly, but that means dropping my eyes even further from the road.

[scumdog]

Tom, you have sat on my bike, and yes, it does take that long to look at the speedo, estimate just where between the 10 kmh divisions it is, then subtract the speedo error. While looking at the speedo I have dropped my vision so far that the road isn't even in perepheral vision.

Alternatively I can look at the GPs and get my speed exactly, but that means dropping my eyes even further from the road.


I guess I was lucky in that Harley (and my particular Suzuki) seem to have placed the speedo in a place where a mere flick of the eye lets you see where the needle is.

You soon learn where the relevant numbers are so it's just a matter of noticing where the needle is, no need to 'read' the speed.

[MSTRS]

Place a thin strip of signwriter's vinyl on your speedo. Then a glance will show you the needle either above (tsk tsk) or below (tax safe).
I did this with mine, particularly because it's a MPH model.
White at 50kph, green at 100kph, red at OhShitMyLicenceIsGone!233721

[FJRider]

At 110 km/hr ... my FJ is ticking over at 4500 RPM (in top gear) ... so I spend more time checking the rev counter than the speedo ...

[scumdog]

At 110 km/hr ... my FJ is ticking over at 4500 RPM (in top gear) ... so I spend more time checking the rev counter than the speedo ...

Just under 3,000rpm = a tad under 110kph for me.

[FJRider]

Just under 3,000rpm = a tad under 110kph for me.

Yep ... but yours is only running on two cylinders ... :msn-wink:

[C.Linnell]

Obviously ... ??? Can't be sure ... ??? So he can't remember where he was a few weeks previous ... ??? and especially can't remember if he was in the area / at the time stated on the original ticket ... ??? and... the "person" on the bike "just happens" to be wearing the same riding gear the OP has ... (OK coincidence ... right ... ???) :killingme

If the OP "can't" remember any / ALL of that ... he shouldn't be on the road ... in control of a bike OR in control of a car ... :no:

Personally ... in MY opinion ... Your theory lacks (a LOT of)credibility .... :rolleyes:

Well I think we're agreed that the OP

a) is aware the bike is his,
b) knows he was doing 85 kph,
c) is annoyed to have been caught,
d) thinks that a 5kph limit increases the risk of crashing due to distraction too much to be worth it (rightly or wrongly, who knows)
e) wants to get off the fine for reasons stated above
f) wants to stick it to the man, who he believes is being unfair

So half of KB comes along and plays along with the exercise in theoretical fine dodging for the fun of it... I have no "theory" as such...

Big :hug: for you, FJ!

[CookMySock]

So half of KB comes along and plays along with the exercise in theoretical fine dodging for the fun of it...Of course! We're bikers!

The inexpensive fines are worth playing out in my opinion. They are good for trying shit on to see if you can get off it. If it goes all pear-shaped, its still not a lot of money.

I got stopped back in early jan and I gave the man some lip after (politely even!) consenting to his breathalyser test - which I think is a good thing) so the prick gets the fine tooth comb out and discovers that I happen to have left my license at home. :facepalm:

I won't pay his fine. I returned both his notices after writing CANCELLED and NO CONTRACT across them. If he tries to approach me again in writing I will revoke all implied consent and forbid him or his agent to approach me in writing or otherwise. If he or his agent attempts to contact me further, I will file a legal document in the courts alleging harassment. He won't win.

Fuck them. It's my money not theirs. I won't play their game any more. The king can go get a fucking proper job instead of bullying the general public into parting with their money.

[C.Linnell]

Of course! We're bikers!

And proud of it!

But yeah, that's my point. This is just about "how does one get off fines". It's an interesting problem-solving task, and since it's a small fine, messing about has little impact.

[FJRider]

The inexpensive fines are worth playing out in my opinion. They are good for trying shit on to see if you can get off it. If it goes all pear-shaped, its still not a lot of money.



Pear shaped ... you mean when ... it ends up in court ... where you're found guilty ... the $30 fine is upped ... plus lawyers fee's and court costs ...

$30 to ... bugger all change from $500 ...

Go for it guys ... its (as DB pointed out) YOUR money ...

[Gubb]

I won't pay his fine. I returned both his notices after writing CANCELLED and NO CONTRACT across them. If he tries to approach me again in writing I will revoke all implied consent and forbid him or his agent to approach me in writing or otherwise. If he or his agent attempts to contact me further, I will file a legal document in the courts alleging harassment. He won't win.

Welcome back DB. Since you've been away we've been running very short on ludicrous bush-lawyer advice, thanks for making up for it so quickly.

It hasn't been the same without you buddy.

[C.Linnell]

I must admit, I'm curious as to how it would play out...

[Tunahunter]

[QUOTE=Old Steve;1129999837]January 2nd, I went for a ride around the Rotorua lakes. Mid January, Igot a camera speed ticket for doing 85 in an 80 km/hr zone (4 km/hr tolerance over the holiday period).

Didn't know a Hyo whatever could do 85

[blacksheep500]

I guess I was lucky in that Harley (and my particular Suzuki) seem to have placed the speedo in a place where a mere flick of the eye lets you see where the needle is.

You soon learn where the relevant numbers are so it's just a matter of noticing where the needle is, no need to 'read' the speed.

My bike has this from the factory . A white line at 30mph . Unfortunantly chronometric speedos tend to jump in 5 mph increments lol , especially when its cold .
I can remember when I was in Perth a similar situation on tv . The coppers showed their computer that could sharpen up the image if it was blurry , just like in the movies :shifty:

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What I fail to understand is why is the bike out of focus, but not the car? Surely the camera focal point is where it it gets the reading? In which case, the bike is not the offender.