Ken Ring's predicted earthquake for 20 March?

[Jantar]

Ken (moon man) Ring predicted another large earthquake to strike Christchurch today, the day that the moon reaches perigee, or the closest point to earth. His reasoning is that the additional gravitational pull will cause the fault to slip again causing another massive earthquake.

Well, perigee occurred at 08:09 this morning, and at 08:57 there was a 3.1 aftershock in Christchurch. Ok so it was only 1/30000 the strength of what could be considered massive. So was he right or not? :rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

So was he right or not? :rolleyes:

With the amount of earthquakes NZ has I could have predicted that one

Don't forget Jim Berkland (http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_19_2011_berklandone.html) has predicted the same for California

edit: I almost forgot, Ken Ring is an scaremongering arsehole and you'd have to be a gullible fuckwit to believe him

[spookytooth]

Just so ppl dont go calling him a nut or something he has reavaulated his predictions
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10713721

[Maha]

My prediction is there will be more aftershocks in the Christchurch area in the days following.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just so ppl dont go calling him a nut or something he has reavaulated his predictions
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10713721

OK, in addition to being a "nut", I am calling him a fraud, and a criminal.

[steve_t]

Ahahaha... Former fortune teller and cat whisperer :facepalm:

[Oakie]

No. Just about everyone in Christchurch would have predicted there would be at least one 3.something shake today. The surprise would be if there had not been one.

I have been fighting the irrational fear of this twat at work for months now and told my management team that if there there was anything 6 or over on Richter Scale on the week around the 20th I'd shave my head.

[Jantar]

Ahahaha... Former fortune teller and cat whisperer :facepalm:
Note the term "former". He couldn't even predict that he'd get that job wrong. :facepalm:

[ellipsis]

...I'd still like to hear of something falling on Nick Smith...

[spookytooth]

...I'd still like to hear of something falling on Nick Smith...
Have to say i was hoping that building would fall on him too

[Oakie]

from the Herald article:

Avondale resident Nicky Taylor left for Waikuku on Friday with her two children Tim, 6 and Charlotte, 4.

She said there would be a lot of anxiety in the city this weekend. "If something happened I'd feel terrible. It's a long weekend and a good excuse to get out."

Ring's heart was in the right place, said Taylor and "he seems to know what he's talking about". ... And that is the danger. A convincing guy with a bad thoery.

Oh, I noticed right at the end of the article:

ACC Minister Nick Smith and the Sceptics Society are holding a lunch today to mock Ring's prediction.

[Usarka]

ACC Minister Nick Smith and the Sceptics Society are holding a lunch today to mock Ring's prediction.

Ken Ring's stats are about as meaningful as ACC's yet Nick Smith believes those fuckers...

[Kickaha]

ACC Minister Nick Smith and the Sceptics Society are holding a lunch today to mock Ring's prediction.

If I thought it'd be allowed I would have organised a piss up on the top floor of the Grand Chancellor

[scissorhands]

nd is described on indexnz.com as a lecturer, speech therapist, author, actor, clown and magician known as Mathman.

He is co-author of Pawmistry: How to Read Your Cat's Paws, which teaches ways to read a cat's mood and "explores the psychic influences that numerology and the zodiac have on your cat".

Galileo's theorems would have been twisted and mocked too. In fact, all new ideas are initially rubbished.

Today we have a classic autumn moon swell on the west coast. Predictably good surf around the full moon....

The Canterbury quake danger still runs for 4-5 days, but its probability has been lessened by the core movements in Japan

[Kickaha]

The Canterbury quake danger still runs for 4-5 days, but its probability has been lessened by the core movements in Japan

You mean the Japan earthquake he didn't predict?

Sounds like excuses are being made already

[AllanB]

Although I consider myself a fairly rational person, I took the kids to the warehouse this morning (my son had some EQC $ to spend after some of his toy cars were broken). While there I will admit to keeping them extra close - my 12 year old daughter was not impressed at not being allowed to pop over to 'her' isle on her own!

I also purchased a extra large tarp (on special you understand) and a spare loo seat in case I need to improvise in the future.

Plus I filled the car up on the way home and purchased some extra water.

And MrsB and I have been waking up with headaches for the last few days - I think it may well be the moon pulling our brains against our skulls while we sleep.

[Oakie]

The Canterbury quake danger still runs for 4-5 days, but its probability has been lessened by the core movements in Japan

Running for cover already? The Japan event and Christchurch event were probably caused by the same tectonic plate action but what happens in one place does not affect what happens on the other place...not when they are 8000 km apart.

[Oakie]

And MrsB and I have been waking up with headaches for the last few days - I think it may well be the moon pulling our brains against our skulls while we sleep.

Me too, the last couple of days. (The whiskey may have caused the Friday morning headache though.)

[AllanB]

Experts on TV in the past week have stated that there is no relationship between the Japan and CHCH shakes.

If you have a bit of time pop on to the Geonet site and pull up some archive NZ quake info - go back to 2009 or something for a few months and you'll find that we have dozens of shakes around the 3 mark as normal activity.

[AllanB]

Me too, the last couple of days. (The whiskey may have caused the Friday morning headache though.)


Weird.

Tonight I am going to sleep wearing a old helmet wrapped in tinfoil. If I awake tomorrow clear headed I will start writing my own 'moon' book.

[mashman]

Twizel (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html), wherever that is, took a few 4 pointers today...

[Jantar]

Twizel (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html), wherever that is, took a few 4 pointers today...
Twizel is almost just over the hill from us. Only 90 minutes ride away, including the Lindis Pass, but neither my wife nor I felt anything.

[Maha]

Twizel is almost just over the hill from us. Only 90 minutes ride away, including the Lindis Pass, but neither my wife nor I felt anything.

I thought a Twizel was a chessy snack?

[FJRider]

Twizel (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html), wherever that is, took a few 4 pointers today...

It's somewhere around ... here ...

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Twizel,+Canterbury&aq=0&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=30.175829,56.162109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Twizel,+Canterbury&ll=-44.260937,170.104065&spn=0.900893,1.755066&z=9

[Mom]

Should be rounded up, and shot with a ball of his own shit at dawn!

Usually quite a harmless sort of bloke, to have done what he did at this time is reprehensible, mind you, John Campbell gave him the vehicle...

[mashman]

:rofl: he's a witch, burn him :killingme... serves his own right for forcing his way into our homes via radio and TV and scarring the shit out of people... he treats the media like his own emergency warning system :blink:

[mashman]

It's somewhere around ... here ...

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Twizel,+Canterbury&aq=0&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=30.175829,56.162109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Twizel,+Canterbury&ll=-44.260937,170.104065&spn=0.900893,1.755066&z=9

ahhhhhh, i've been down that road (i tink)... is that's the place with the strikingly blue water and them huge canals?

[FJRider]

ahhhhhh, i've been down that road (i tink)... is that's the place with the strikingly blue water and them huge canals?

That area ... yes ...

[Oakie]

Twizel (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html), wherever that is, took a few 4 pointers today...

Nice place in between Mount Cook, Lake Tekapo and Omarama roughly. I lived there for 15 years and we brought our girls up there.
I used to work for Electricorp (as it was then) and was on their Earthquake Response Team which meant whenever there was a shake I got to inspect one or more of our structures for damage. Being undeneath a power station or control structure following an earthquake and looking for resulting damage concentrates the mind marvellously!

[JMemonic]

Ken (moon man) Ring predicted another large earthquake to strike Christchurch today, the day that the moon reaches perigee, or the closest point to earth. His reasoning is that the additional gravitational pull will cause the fault to slip again causing another massive earthquake.

Well, perigee occurred at 08:09 this morning, and at 08:57 there was a 3.1 aftershock in Christchurch. Ok so it was only 1/30000 the strength of what could be considered massive. So was he right or not? :rolleyes:

3.1, really never felt a thing


With the amount of earthquakes NZ has I could have predicted that one

Don't forget Jim Berkland (http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_19_2011_berklandone.html) has predicted the same for California

edit: I almost forgot, Ken Ring is an scaremongering arsehole and you'd have to be a gullible fuckwit to believe him

I caught that bloke being interviewed on telly going on about you've got to look at the animals etc as well and when one of the quakes happened there was a whale beaching, um how does that factor we have whale beaching here often, and they beached nowhere near Canterbury.

As to the second paragraph the first statement I would agree with, the second well not so much, or at all there is a bit of hysteria around and that affects thinking.


Twizel (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html), wherever that is, took a few 4 pointers today...

I know a few who headed that way to escape.

[mashman]

Nice place in between Mount Cook, Lake Tekapo and Omarama roughly. I lived there for 15 years and we brought our girls up there.
I used to work for Electricorp (as it was then) and was on their Earthquake Response Team which meant whenever there was a shake I got to inspect one or more of our structures for damage. Being undeneath a power station or control structure following an earthquake and looking for resulting damage concentrates the mind marvellously!

It looked like a stunning place alright :yes:... :rofl:@concentration, did the structure "crick and crack" or groan under pressure while inspecting the place? that just creeped me out somewhat :blink:

[Motig]

Why blame ken ring or whatever his name is. The media are the ones who keep pushing the story.

[Oakie]

We never found damage and the biggest shake we went out for was only about 4. Being driven up the earth face of the Pukaki Dam in a Nissan Patrol in the half dark was a pretty freaky experience though.

I did see a leak under the Ruataniwha control gate structure but apparantly it has been there from the start and never got any worse so its just monitored as it flows into something like a toilet cistern and then flushed into the Ohau Canal at about 60 litres every 5 minutes or so.

[gunrunner]

went to Castlepoint with a 24 pack of bring it and nothing ...

[Grumph]

Weird.

Tonight I am going to sleep wearing a old helmet wrapped in tinfoil. If I awake tomorrow clear headed I will start writing my own 'moon' book.

Headaches seem to be very prevalent around Canty at present...if it works you will be a popular fellow....and there will be a market for tinfoil hats...$$$$$

[EJK]

Didn't you guys feel the earthquake this morning?!?!?!










...exactly.

[far queue]

I know a few who headed that way to escape.What cracked me up is all the people that ran away to Hanmer Springs to hide ... in the mountains ... where there's lots of fault lines ... where the geo scientist people (not the Ken Ring people) say there's still an 8 due sometime :facepalm: :killingme

[Oakie]

And the people I heard of who went to Twizel for the weekend and struck 3 quakes over 4. in just over 20 minutes.

[Mom]

What cracked me up is all the people that ran away to Hanmer Springs to hide ... in the mountains ... where there's lots of fault lines ... where the geo scientist people (not the Ken Ring people) say there's still an 8 due sometime :facepalm: :killingme


And the people I heard of who went to Twizel for the weekend and struck 3 quakes over 4. in just over 20 minutes.

I know it is easy to laugh, but there have been people very rattled by this mans prediction. Generally those most unsettled by recent events down there. We can't belittle their feelings. They were frightened enough to upsticks and leave town. Rediculous or not it was/is real for them. Poor bastards.

Why are we not venting against John "Sensationalist Wanker" Campbell?

[far queue]

I know it is easy to laugh, but there have been people very rattled by this mans prediction. Generally those most unsettled by recent events down there. We can't belittle their feelings. They were frightened enough to upsticks and leave town. Rediculous or not it was/is real for them. Poor bastards.Yes, some people have been very rattled. I know of a couple of them that are now on happy pills to keep them going. In fact I was dog sitting this weekend for one that did a runner. My laughing wasn't so much at their decision to run, but their choice of hiding place. Out of the frying pan and into the fire sort of thing.


Why are we not venting against John "Sensationalist Wanker" Campbell?Yes, he's certainly a tosser, and was a right wanker in that interview.

[Oakie]

I know it is easy to laugh, but there have been people very rattled by this mans prediction.

You don't need to tell me that. I've been struggling for months with people at work who have bought right into this. It's been made doubly hard because our management team has largely bought into it too. The problem where I work is that it's driven by a particular philosophy that embraces the rhythms of nature ... the seasons etc. Mr Ring's theory being built around the lunar cycle fitted right in with what they sympathised with so they were suckers for it. Really hard trying to respect their beliefs but tell them it was bullshit. It just sounded so right to them.

We did have people who left town including a couple who are away for a whole week around the 20th. The worst one I had to deal with though was a woman who has had to stay with her daughter for a couple of weeks now as she (the daughter) has been suicidal because she thought the world was going to end on the 20th.

I fully know the genuine fear this has caused in many people. I even saw it in then normally level-headed Mrs Oakie as she had to work alone in her 2nd story office today.

[EJK]

Nope. Still not 8.0.

[JMemonic]

Well that was a bit of a ride

I bet the claims will be he was right

[Laava]

That Ken Ring! Seriously misled our cat! Fucking thing now thinks it is the queen of Sheba!

[Elysium]

Well looks like another one has struck according to Stuff. Mind you it was a bit late.

[Kickaha]

Well looks like another one has struck according to Stuff. Mind you it was a bit late.

It was also the 4th for the day

[Laava]

Copied from Geonet just now. Not helping my fuckin cat tho!

This is a list of the latest thirty New Zealand earthquakes.

[View Felt Reports in Google Maps] [View event in Google Maps] Reference Number: 3481489
NZDT: Sun, Mar 20 2011 9:47 pm
Magnitude: 5.1
Depth: 10 km
Details: 10 km east of Christchurch

[View Felt Reports in Google Maps] [View event in Google Maps] Reference Number: 3481486
NZDT: Sun, Mar 20 2011 9:43 pm
Magnitude: 3.0
Depth: 5 km
Details: 10 km west of Lyttelton

[Elysium]

Would a 5.1 that deep cause much rocking or damage?

[far queue]

Well it shook like fuck here - enough to make a couple of things fall over, and enough to warrant me checking the bike was still on its feet. Also enough to get me under a door frame, and I don't normally bother!

Edit - I'm about 5km away from it's centre.

[JMemonic]

Would a 5.1 that deep cause much rocking or damage?

Additional damage to already weakened structures? Possibly. To stressed minds hell yes, especially if they were listening to the moon man, and this will just confirm in many minds his ability as a soothsayer.

BTW it was about 1.5k's from us and it really rocked.

[Virago]

I felt that 5.1 here in Dunedin - the first of any of them I've felt.

[Elysium]

Well it shook like fuck here - enough to make a couple of things fall over, and enough to warrant me checking the bike was still on its feet. Also enough to get me under a door frame, and I don't normally bother!



You obviously checked the bike first before getting under the door frame? ;) You guys proberly going to need tie-downs on your bikes for a while I think.

[Oakie]

Resonable shake but par for the course I guess. Mrs Oakie and daughter wandered under the door frame. I stopped ironing my shirts momentarily and watched a couple of things wobble a little then carried on with the ironing.

[AllanB]

Mine gets wheel chocked and bars strapped to the rafters since September - friends smile but it is still standing and many have fallen in the past 6 months.

Stupid Moon Man - bet he claims he was right now despite being lower then he predicted (so far, touch wood).

A good old rattle out in Halswell, although oddly MrsB did not feel it (must be the wine!).

[Shadows]

Why are we not venting against John "Sensationalist Wanker" Campbell?

It was already big news down here before the media really grabbed hold of it.

All of the people shit I had to deal with at work because of RingPiece, I will never forgive him for.

From where I was sitting John Campbell was only trying to calm people down by showing RingPiece up for the arsehole he is. In that respect he actually did a lot of people a service and he should be thanked for a job well done.

[Shadows]

Only the >20th 5+ since September. No cigar Mr Ringpiece.

[riffer]

Jeez you guys sound disappointed it wasn't an 8.0 :blink:

[oneofsix]

Well done Mr Ring, you predicted an aftershock in a quake devastated city. :clap::clap: Even I could have a go at that.
An aftershock is not predicting an Earthquake. :facepalm:
Now if there had been a shake another unconnected relatively stable fault, say the Waiarapa, then he might have had something.

[Maha]

My prediction is there will be more aftershocks in the Christchurch area in the days following.

My prediction was right!...:yes:

[oneofsix]

My prediction was right!...:yes:

Has John's production team been in contact yet ? :woohoo:

[Maha]

Has John's production team been in contact yet ? :woohoo:

I declined on the grounds that it was to easy.

[Fatt Max]

All this 'Ring' and 'moon' stuff flying about, sounds like this geezer is pulling everything out of his arse

[schrodingers cat]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down.

For those outside of ChCh is is difficult for you to put the shaking in perspective.
Our house is on a large intersection leading to the tunnel/port.
When trucks brake at the lights the house moves a little - it always has.
The earthquakes have taught me that that that movement is about the same as a 3.0 - 3.5

It isn't bullshit and bravado when people say it take a 5.0+ to get your attention.

Otherwise you'd go crazy running all the time

[pzkpfw]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down. ...

Your own signature is interesting, though...


Embrace ignorance and suspersition! It saves you having to think at all

...and may explain why "actual people" (outside the media) follow the ravings of Ken Ring.

You are having your cake and eating it too.

[oneofsix]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down.

This is the same John Campbell that was getting lambasted for not giving this Ken Ring guy a fair go and for rubbishing Mr Ring's ideas?
I'm not a fan of John Campbell but in this case it wasn't his fault. He was trying to bring some perspective to the damage other media and Ring-a-ding ding were doing

At least the skeptics stood by their disbelieve in the Moon Man
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/4790007/Skeptics-take-aim-at-Moon-Man

[scissorhands]

...........some perspective to the damage other media and Ring-a-ding ding were doing[/url]

.....but he predicts damage from storms and weather, thats his job in life. The market has responded and he earns a good living thanks to farmers, surfers, and fishermen who are closely connected to the seasons and see actual truth in his prediction work, which is only repackaged common knowledge for those that appreciate the moons influence, and consider its effects when throwing a party by the moon.

The only damage Ring is liable for, would be to egos carrying narrow incomplete views and understandings of celestial forces

[oldrider]

It was interesting listening to the Christchurch "wizard" berating "Ken Ring" on TV!

Chicken Little is alive and well in New Zealand it seems. :facepalm:

[Pixie]

Unfortunately NZ Scientists merely toe the conservative line until some overseas research is safely proven - too afraid to investigate new ideas.

I use "new" loosely tidal earthquake triggering has been hypothesized for over 100 years:

Strong Earth Tides Can Trigger Earthquakes, UCLA Scientists Report

ScienceDaily (Oct. 22, 2004) — Earthquakes can be triggered by the Earth's tides, UCLA scientists confirmed Oct. 21 in Science Express, the online journal of Science. Earth tides are produced by the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun on the Earth, causing the ocean's waters to slosh, which in turn raise and lower stress on faults roughly twice a day. Scientists have wondered about the effects of Earth tides for more than 100 years. (The research will be published in the print version of Science in November.)
See Also:
Earth & Climate
Earthquakes
Natural Disasters
Earth Science
Geology
Environmental Issues
Near-Earth Object Impacts
Reference
Tide
Tide pool
North Anatolian Fault
Alpine Fault

"Large tides have a significant effect in triggering earthquakes," said Elizabeth Cochran, a UCLA graduate student in Earth and space sciences and lead author of the Science paper. "The earthquakes would have happened anyway, but they can be pushed sooner or later by the stress fluctuations of the tides."

"Scientists have long suspected the tides played a role, but no one has been able to prove that for earthquakes worldwide until now," said John Vidale, UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences, interim director of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, and co-author of the paper. "Earthquakes have shown such clear correlations in only a few special settings, such as just below the sea-floor or near volcanoes."

"There are many mysteries about how earthquakes occur, and this clears up one of them," Vidale said. "We find that it takes about the force arising from changing the sea level by a couple of meters of water to noticeably affect the rate of earthquakes. This is a concrete step in understanding what it takes to set off an earthquake."

Cochran, Vidale and co-author Sachiko Tanaka are the first researchers to factor in both the phase of the tides and the size of the tides, and are using calculations of the effects of the tides more accurate than were available just three years ago. Tanaka is a seismologist with Japan's National Research Institute for Earth Science and Disaster Prevention.

Cochran and Vidale analyzed more than 2,000 earthquakes worldwide, magnitude 5.5 and higher, which struck from 1977 to 2000. They studied earthquakes in "subduction zones" where one tectonic plate dives under another, such as near the coasts of Alaska, Japan, New Zealand and western South America. "These earthquakes show a correlation with tides because along continent edges ocean tides are strong," Vidale said, "and the orientation of the fault plane is better known than for faults elsewhere."

Cochran conducted a statistical analysis of the earthquakes and tidal stress data, using state-of-the-science tide calculations from Tanaka and the best global earthquake data, which came from Harvard seismologists. This research follows up on a 2002 study by Tanaka. The current research was funded by the National Science Foundation and the Laurence Livermore National Laboratory.

Cochran and Vidale found a strong correlation between when earthquakes strike and when tidal stress on fault planes is high, and the likelihood of these results occurring by chance is less than one in 10,000, Cochran said. They found that strong tides impose enough stress on shallow faults to trigger earthquakes. If the tides are very large, more than two meters, three?quarters of the earthquakes occur when tidal stress acts to encourage triggering, she found. Fewer earthquakes are triggered when the tides are smaller.

In California, and in fact in most places in the world, the correlation between earthquakes and tides is considerably smaller, Vidale said. In California, tides may vary the rate of earthquakes at most one or two percent; the overall effect of the tides is smaller, he said, because the faults studied are many miles inland from the coast and the tides are not particularly large.

[Pixie]

I had to deal with though was a woman who has had to stay with her daughter for a couple of weeks now as she (the daughter) has been suicidal because she thought the world was going to end on the 20th.


Just tell her to wait till the 20th and save herself the trouble,pills,bullet etc.

[The Stranger]

Ken (moon man) Ring predicted another large earthquake to strike Christchurch today, the day that the moon reaches perigee, or the closest point to earth. His reasoning is that the additional gravitational pull will cause the fault to slip again causing another massive earthquake.

Well, perigee occurred at 08:09 this morning, and at 08:57 there was a 3.1 aftershock in Christchurch. Ok so it was only 1/30000 the strength of what could be considered massive. So was he right or not? :rolleyes:

I noticed this thread went very quiet after the 5.1 last night.
You guys still ok down there?

Got to say, looks like a win to Ken Ring.

I'd be too ashamed to admit to being a geologist (or a skeptic for that matter). I mean, It's your job, but you don't even know where the fuck the fault lines are and someone is better at predicting shit in your field of "expertise" with a fucking cat's paw. Seriously, what fucken use are they?

[marie_speeds]

very quiet after the 5.1 last night

You spying on me or something?



Must remember to turn webcam off

[AllanB]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
It isn't bullshit and bravado when people say it take a 5.0+ to get your attention.

Otherwise you'd go crazy running all the time


Well said. I don't even bother moving now - possibly a bad move as if a good-un comes through I'll be on my chair, couch, whatever riding it out.

And there was a bit of disappointment last night. Yes that sounds a bit sick but there has been such a build-up in CHCH of late over Mr Rings 20th comments that the 5.1 was a let-down. Expectations were so high even by everyone who knew better!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ken Ring's stats are about as meaningful as ACC's yet Nick Smith believes those fuckers...

beautifully put. I'd bling you x100 if I could

[motor_mayhem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piUHudrDdA

Ring's theories have no real grounds.

http://www.sillybeliefs.com/ring.htm

nuff said

[HenryDorsetCase]

Unfortunately NZ Scientists merely toe the conservative line until some overseas research is safely proven - too afraid to investigate new ideas.


I didnt read the rest of your post because that sentence made me see red.

You are flat wrong. New Zealand geoscience is at the leading edge internationally. Something to do with living on shaky islands perhaps.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I noticed this thread went very quiet after the 5.1 last night.
You guys still ok down there?

Got to say, looks like a win to Ken Ring.

I'd be too ashamed to admit to being a geologist (or a skeptic for that matter). I mean, It's your job, but you don't even know where the fuck the fault lines are and someone is better at predicting shit in your field of "expertise" with a fucking cat's paw. Seriously, what fucken use are they?

You're tolling, obviously. Or are illiterate and illinformed, by choice. or a crystal spinning fucktard.

[avgas]

Can someone explain to me why a 'full moon' would cause more gravity then say "first quarter"........I don't follow how more sunlight hitting it makes it closer to us? Its not like half the moon disappears simply because the light does not hit it.

I believing the whole "if you cant see it - clearly its gone" at age 1, when my nose failed to disappear anymore.

[The Stranger]

You're tolling, obviously. Or are illiterate and illinformed, by choice. or a crystal spinning fucktard.

Crystals? Where'd the crystals come from?
What's the matter, you can't read - Cat's paws for god's sake.
Did you read his book? How can you possibly comment then. There are some very interesting revelations in that book.

You need to get your head out of the sand.
Let's tally it up
nick smith - egg all over his face
geologists - 0
cat man - 100% hit rate.

Ring for the win!

[marie_speeds]

cat man - 100% hit rate.

Hey Katman...can you feel the :love:?

[James Deuce]

Can someone explain to me why a 'full moon' would cause more gravity then say "first quarter"........I don't follow how more sunlight hitting it makes it closer to us? Its not like half the moon disappears simply because the light does not hit it.

I believing the whole "if you cant see it - clearly its gone" at age 1, when my nose failed to disappear anymore.


It's not the full moon that is posited as causing the postulated prediction.

The moon is in an elliptical orbit around the earth and the current full moon is at the same time the moon ever gets to the earth (Perihelion).

The following will explain it, not that you'll read it.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bitesize/fullmoon_perigee.html

[Pixie]

I didnt read the rest of your post because that sentence made me see red.

You are flat wrong. New Zealand geoscience is at the leading edge internationally. Something to do with living on shaky islands perhaps.

Read the post then or else I will just say "I rest my case"

[Pixie]

Can someone explain to me why a 'full moon' would cause more gravity then say "first quarter"........I don't follow how more sunlight hitting it makes it closer to us? Its not like half the moon disappears simply because the light does not hit it.

I believing the whole "if you cant see it - clearly its gone" at age 1, when my nose failed to disappear anymore.

At the time of Full Moon or New Moon the Earth is in a line between the sun and the moon.This causes maximum tidal effects,King tides etc.

[idb]

At the time of Full Moon or New Moon the Earth is in a line between the sun and the moon.This causes maximum tidal effects,King tides etc.

So why aren't there devastating earthquakes twice every month?

[Grubber]

Crystals? Where'd the crystals come from?
What's the matter, you can't read - Cat's paws for god's sake.
Did you read his book? How can you possibly comment then. There are some very interesting revelations in that book.

You need to get your head out of the sand.
Let's tally it up
nick smith - egg all over his face
geologists - 0
cat man - 100% hit rate.

Ring for the win!

100% hit rate??????
Your pulling my leg right.....he was not even close. Unless of coarse you are like one or 2 others i have spoke to ( very much like religious people on the convert) try to use every argument possible to make him sound believable.
Yesterdays quake was an aftershock and nothing like he was predicting. I could have seen that one coming.

[merv]

Well said. I don't even bother moving now - possibly a bad move as if a good-un comes through I'll be on my chair, couch, whatever riding it out.

And there was a bit of disappointment last night. Yes that sounds a bit sick but there has been such a build-up in CHCH of late over Mr Rings 20th comments that the 5.1 was a let-down. Expectations were so high even by everyone who knew better!

Remember he said within a few days of the 20th - you might still be expecting the big one. Just hope you don't get a tsunami with it the way the shocks have headed towards the coast since starting over Darfield way 6 months ago.

[motor_mayhem]

So why aren't there devastating earthquakes twice every month?

because earthquakes don't believe in astrology

[idb]

Unfortunately NZ Scientists merely toe the conservative line until some overseas research is safely proven - too afraid to investigate new ideas.

I use "new" loosely tidal earthquake triggering has been hypothesized for over 100 years:

Strong Earth Tides Can Trigger Earthquakes, UCLA Scientists Report

ScienceDaily (Oct. 22, 2004) — Earthquakes can be triggered by the Earth's tides, UCLA scientists confirmed Oct. 21 in Science Express, the online journal of Science. Earth tides are produced by the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun on the Earth, causing the ocean's waters to slosh, which in turn raise and lower stress on faults roughly twice a day. Scientists have wondered about the effects of Earth tides for more than 100 years. (The research will be published in the print version of Science in November.)
See Also:
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"Large tides have a significant effect in triggering earthquakes," said Elizabeth Cochran, a UCLA graduate student in Earth and space sciences and lead author of the Science paper. "The earthquakes would have happened anyway, but they can be pushed sooner or later by the stress fluctuations of the tides."

"Scientists have long suspected the tides played a role, but no one has been able to prove that for earthquakes worldwide until now," said John Vidale, UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences, interim director of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, and co-author of the paper. "Earthquakes have shown such clear correlations in only a few special settings, such as just below the sea-floor or near volcanoes."

"There are many mysteries about how earthquakes occur, and this clears up one of them," Vidale said. "We find that it takes about the force arising from changing the sea level by a couple of meters of water to noticeably affect the rate of earthquakes. This is a concrete step in understanding what it takes to set off an earthquake."

Cochran, Vidale and co-author Sachiko Tanaka are the first researchers to factor in both the phase of the tides and the size of the tides, and are using calculations of the effects of the tides more accurate than were available just three years ago. Tanaka is a seismologist with Japan's National Research Institute for Earth Science and Disaster Prevention.

Cochran and Vidale analyzed more than 2,000 earthquakes worldwide, magnitude 5.5 and higher, which struck from 1977 to 2000. They studied earthquakes in "subduction zones" where one tectonic plate dives under another, such as near the coasts of Alaska, Japan, New Zealand and western South America. "These earthquakes show a correlation with tides because along continent edges ocean tides are strong," Vidale said, "and the orientation of the fault plane is better known than for faults elsewhere."

Cochran conducted a statistical analysis of the earthquakes and tidal stress data, using state-of-the-science tide calculations from Tanaka and the best global earthquake data, which came from Harvard seismologists. This research follows up on a 2002 study by Tanaka. The current research was funded by the National Science Foundation and the Laurence Livermore National Laboratory.

Cochran and Vidale found a strong correlation between when earthquakes strike and when tidal stress on fault planes is high, and the likelihood of these results occurring by chance is less than one in 10,000, Cochran said. They found that strong tides impose enough stress on shallow faults to trigger earthquakes. If the tides are very large, more than two meters, three?quarters of the earthquakes occur when tidal stress acts to encourage triggering, she found. Fewer earthquakes are triggered when the tides are smaller.

In California, and in fact in most places in the world, the correlation between earthquakes and tides is considerably smaller, Vidale said. In California, tides may vary the rate of earthquakes at most one or two percent; the overall effect of the tides is smaller, he said, because the faults studied are many miles inland from the coast and the tides are not particularly large.

Just a quick read of these tells me that the Christchurch earthquakes don't apply as they weren't in a subduction zone.

[oneofsix]

Remember he said within a few days of the 20th - you might still be expecting the big one. Just hope you don't get a tsunami with it the way the shocks have headed towards the coast since starting over Darfield way 6 months ago.

Cheerful. Even I can predict there will be a quake in the next few days but I say it will be an aftershock and smaller than an 8 and getting smaller.

[idb]

Cheerful. Even I can predict there will be a quake in the next few days but I say it will be an aftershock and smaller than an 8 and getting smaller.

I heard some commentator say that predicting earthquakes in Christchurch at the moment is like predicting rain in India during the monsoon season

[Maha]

I predict that Easter will be in late April this year, not early April like last year when the moon was in polar shift.

[marie_speeds]

Anyone got a ball to rub and then tell us what happens?

[James Deuce]

That is SUCh a leading post. Prepare for hilarity.

[steve_t]

Anyone got a ball to rub and then tell us what happens?

:corn::corn:

[Scuba_Steve]

Anyone got a ball to rub and then tell us what happens?


:corn::corn:

give me time, I'm currently rubbing 2 but they yet to produce results :tugger:

[Maha]

opps....it spits.....:facepalm:

[The Stranger]

I could have seen that one coming.

So you're another Ken Ring then. Ok, when's the next 5+ aftershock going to hit?

[schrodingers cat]

Your own signature is interesting, though...


What? Too subtle for you?

[steve_t]

opps....it spits.....:facepalm:

:sick: TMI :shit:

[marie_speeds]

http://www.sillybeliefs.com/ring.html

[Swoop]

234865


I would like to know when the "qualified" scientists' will be providing a date for the next geological event (earthquake, volcanic eruption, etc, etc).
They seem quite good on "after the event" but need to work on their "before the event" warnings.

[oneofsix]

234865


I would like to know when the "qualified" scientists' will be providing a date for the next geological event (earthquake, volcanic eruption, etc, etc).
They seem quite good on "after the event" but need to work on their "before the event" warnings.

They agree with you but unlike Ken they say they can't yet reliably predict earthquakes and admit its something they are working on. IMHO beats scaring people for publicity.
Currently predicting there will be an earthquake within a few days in Christchurch is like predicting the sun will rise.

[idb]

234865


I would like to know when the "qualified" scientists' will be providing a date for the next geological event (earthquake, volcanic eruption, etc, etc).
They seem quite good on "after the event" but need to work on their "before the event" warnings.

Ring's own methods are to spray so many predictions about that he can't help but be accidentally right from time to time.

People forget the wrong ones and only remember the right ones...
In October he claimed the aftershock sequence would die down, missing the major rumble on boxing day and several times he declared that it was unlikely Christchurch would be face another major quake.
http://sciblogs.co.nz/the-atavism/tag/skepticism/

[Jantar]

I noticed this thread went very quiet after the 5.1 last night.
You guys still ok down there?

Got to say, looks like a win to Ken Ring......

I wouldn't call it a win at all. First off it isn't a new earthquake like the Feburary 6.3 was, but simply an aftershock, and it wasn't massive. 5.1 is moderate to strong, but it needs to be over 7 to qualify as massive.

Have a look at the way his earthquake predictions are lined up. 7 days centered on each full moon 7 days with no earthquakes, 7 days centered on the new moon, follwed by 7 days without earthquakes. If he is including aftershocks as earthquakes, then show me a 7 day period where Christchurch hasn't had an aftershock?

[Grubber]

So you're another Ken Ring then. Ok, when's the next 5+ aftershock going to hit?

Sweet as. Let me see then.
Ok the next one will be around the period between 20th March and 31st April.It may occur in a radius of about 8000 kilometres.
Bout as good as he i reckon.
The bill is in the mail so make sure you pay it as soon as it arrives please. i'm thinking of leaving the country :facepalm:

[Delerium]

Ring's own methods are to spray so many predictions about that he can't help but be accidentally right from time to time.

People forget the wrong ones and only remember the right ones...
http://sciblogs.co.nz/the-atavism/tag/skepticism/


yes, it is a conmans trick. spray around enough vague predictions and some will come true. Nothing but a snake oil merchant.
Do some research, his predictions were on approx 298 days of the year. well shit, not hard to get one hit out of that is it.

If you believe in him your a fool or stupid.

[idb]

What? Too subtle for you?

It's got a smelling mistake!

[idb]

If you believe in him your a fool or stupid.

Can't you be both?

[mashman]

It's not just one Ring to rule them all ya know :shifty:, there are others (http://www.nextearthquake.com/earthquakes_long_term_forecasts.htm#earthquakes_to p)

[Delerium]

Can't you be both?

lol, sure you can :yes:

[dipshit]

I would like to know when the "qualified" scientists' will be providing a date for the next geological event

http://www.suite101.com/content/new-zealands-next-big-earthquake-a203688

[dipshit]

So why aren't there devastating earthquakes twice every month?

There is also the cycle of apogee and perigee with the moon. So when we have a new or full moon at perigee, then tidal forces will be slightly higher than a full or new moon at apogee. The sun also has an apogee and perigee cycle. Maximum tidal forces will occur when we are at perigee with the sun and a full or new moon at perigee as well.

See this for moon distance and tidal force...
http://www.jgiesen.de/moondistance/index.htm

[JMemonic]

Gotta love all the folks out of town saying he was right blah blah, I say BS he was, 5.1 sure we felt it, nothing like the 6 we had recently, is it major nah.

It is however stressful to some folks with frazzled nerves having had this shit splashed all over the net and media claiming that we are going to get a big quake in or on x day, its sensationalist crap, achieving nothing more than delaying the mental healing process we need to go through, John Campbell was trying (unsuccessfully) to help folks by dispelling the myth surrounding Ken Ring, that other bloke in California who agrees with Ring was talking about looking to the animals etc then mentioned a pod of whales stranding near the time of the 6 we had, well I say what a steaming pile, first of we have strandings in NZ regularly, and it was nowhere near the area affected, how are they related.

As to comments made in this thread about so called research and theory's confirming this tidal or lunar effect my questions is and its a simple one why is this not now after this time considered valid data for prediction, could it have been disproved, (I cant be arsed looking for the info). Experts in the field of geology worldwide have said currently they have now certain way to predict earthquakes, I really don't know perhaps I should become a soothsayer and predict 90% of all motorcyclists will trip and sprain a joint in their body due to factors other than a motorcycle, sounds valid and wide enough to cover a shit load of situations, what do you think? Hmm I did that without asstrology or entrails, could be I am wrong on that basis.

[dipshit]

See this for moon distance and tidal force...
http://www.jgiesen.de/moondistance/index.htm

e.g... a full moon around apogee at a distance of 401772 km has a tidal force of 0.933

A full moon around perigee at a distance of 356901 km has a tidal force of 1.377

[Indiana_Jones]

It's so nice to see things haven't changed in the last few thousand years.

"How dare you say the world is round, all we scientists know it is flat!"

"How dare you say the Earth is not the centre of the universe all we scientists know the sun and all other heavenly bodies orbit Earth!"

"How dare you question global warming, all we scientists know it is man's fault!"

Remember kids, gotta do what all your buddies say...

-Indy

[dipshit]

As to comments made in this thread about so called research and theory's confirming this tidal or lunar effect my questions is and its a simple one why is this not now after this time considered valid data for prediction....

Because there is no way to coincide tidal forces with areas of stress build-up in the earth's crust because of plate tectonics. If they knew what parts of the earth's crust have built up a critical amount of stress and was very close to going, then they would know an earthquake from there was very immediate anyway. The moon's tidal force is practically irrelevant, as for example tidal force would not trigger an earthquake where there is no stress build-up in the first place.

[Dadpole]

When and where exactly did scientists say the world was flat???

[dipshit]

It's so nice to see things haven't changed in the last few thousand years.

"How dare you say the world is round, all we scientists know it is flat!"

"How dare you say the Earth is not the centre of the universe all we scientists know the sun and all other heavenly bodies orbit Earth!"



Actually it was religious dogma that said those things. It was the method of science that proved otherwise.

[Dadpole]

PS: For those who are willing to suspend rational thought and head back to the dark ages, perhaps this group is for you. http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

[JMemonic]

Because there is no way to coincide tidal forces with areas off stress build-up in the earth's crust because of plate tectonics. If they knew what parts of the earth's crust have built up a critical amount of stress and was very close to going, then they would know an earthquake from there was very imminent anyway. The moon's tidal force is practically irrelevant, as for example tidal force would not trigger an earthquake where there is no stress build-up in the first place.

So we can conclude currently the tidal force is irrelevant for prediction of earthquakes, and will be for the foreseeable future. It reaffirms what I stated, Ken Rings bullshit is exactly that.

Actually wouldn't the pre requisite for stress to exist rule out the likely hood of this having the effect claimed it was going to in Christchurch as most of the energy stored has been released, and now we are currently in a re settling phase.

[Kickaha]

.The market has responded and he earns a good living thanks to farmers, surfers, and fishermen who are closely connected to the seasons and see actual truth in his prediction work,

If he can make a good living being right 30% of the time he's doing quite well and if they're that "closely connected to the seasons" why would they need him?



Got to say, looks like a win to Ken Ring.


Tui moment

A 5.1 being "one for the history book" I don't think so


So why aren't there devastating earthquakes twice every month?

Because Ken doesn't predict them


Cheerful. Even I can predict there will be a quake in the next few days but I say it will be an aftershock and smaller than an 8 and getting smaller.

I can narrow that down, it'll be on a day ending in y

[dipshit]

So we can conclude currently the tidal force is irrelevant for prediction of earthquakes, and will be for the foreseeable future. It reaffirms what I stated, Ken Rings bullshit is exactly that.

Exactly. This is why Ken Ring did not and could not have predicted the big Japan earthquake, as it is a matter of plate tectonics and stress build-up.

Like our alpine fault. They know it has gone off every 250 to 300 years. We have had countless moon cycles since the last one in 1717. The important factor and one we need to understand more is plate tectonics and stress build-up.

[dipshit]

Actually wouldn't the pre requisite for stress to exist rule out the likely hood of this having the effect claimed it was going to in Christchurch as most of the energy stored has been released, and now we are currently in a re settling phase.

Yes and no. Overall stress is being relieved, but at the same time it could be loading up other areas because of the resettling. This is why the magnitude of the aftershocks keep getting less and less over time.

[Swoop]

http://www.suite101.com/content/new-zealands-next-big-earthquake-a203688
Scientists have been watching New Zealand's Alpine Fault in great detail for several decades. While it is impossible to predict just when the next big one will occur, there is certainty that it will happen, and geologically speaking quite soon.

In other words "we have no idea when, but will tell you after it happens" & "thanks for all the taxpayer's money we have spent".

[JMemonic]

Scientists have been watching New Zealand's Alpine Fault in great detail for several decades. While it is impossible to predict just when the next big one will occur, there is certainty that it will happen, and geologically speaking quite soon.

In other words "we have no idea when, but will tell you after it happens" & "thanks for all the taxpayer's money we have spent".

Pretty much but I suspect if the tax payer was not paying for the research no one would, I really cant see a financial motivation to fund this science.

[mashman]

So we can conclude currently the tidal force is irrelevant for prediction of earthquakes, and will be for the foreseeable future. It reaffirms what I stated, Ken Rings bullshit is exactly that.

Or we could conclude that until geologists can measure where the high stress areas are at any given moment in time (plate tectonics or not), then we can't say wether there is a relevance of the moon and it's phases in regards to earthquakes, let alone measure the influence (as well as the other planetary bodies). Which could, by default, also mean that geologists are just as full of shit as the Ringo kid

[Oakie]

Which could, by default, also mean that geologists are just as full of shit as the Ringo kid At least the Geologists admit they don't know rather than continuing with a discredited theory.

[mashman]

At least the Geologists admit they don't know rather than continuing with a discredited theory.

I'd hardly say discredited. I'm not saying it's a perfect science. But geologists can't measure stress on the planet. Pressure and time? No pressure, plenty of time :shifty: Anyhoo, not a perfect science and potentially one that was discarded and misunderstood once upon a time. There's also other planetary bodies to take into consideration, especially that large glowing ball of gas that affects our weather dramatically. I'd rather say unproven (to 100%)... but then meteorologists can't predict tornado's, or get the weather wrong sometimes, or get the landfall position of a hurricane wrong and they've been studying and funded up the wazoo. I'd like to see the moon/sun etc... people get some money to research their science for a while... Much more likely to yeild results I woulda thought.

[Flip]

Yes and no. Overall stress is being relieved, but at the same time it could be loading up other areas because of the resettling. This is why the magnitude of the aftershocks keep getting less and less over time.

Man I love techno twaddle and pseudo science, stop trolling. Ken Ring is a soothsayer, he is looking to animal entrails to predict the future. There is no statistical relationship between earth quakes and the phases of the moon.

I hope that all the poor stressed out Christchurch people now see him and his ilk for the buggers they are.

[scissorhands]

As a surfer, full moon clear nights and large south swells with light southerly quarter winds are to be expected, even tropical cyclones that come down are timed with the moon. Add perigee and in this case autumnal equinox and the expectation of a significant natural event will increase.

Why not earthquakes too?

Ken Ring is castings his jewels before swine.

Remember when I started a thread July 2010 re natural disasters? Why then at that time did I start this thread. What, why or whom prompted me? It was a prediction based on no scientific data, except a gut feeling. I was ridiculed totally!!!

How many of us are invisibly guided to act?

How often do we each predict things, without an appreciation of our own powers of prophecy??? And then the abuse of the messenger starts again...

I predict hog calling will become more popular as time in front of that great edeucator 'the telly' ticks down.

Gods favourite children are in for a big surprise

[admenk]

wouldn't it be refreshing, just once, to have something in this world that not even the experts claimed to understand.. :innocent:

[Oakie]

Why not earthquakes too?

Physics basically. Compare the tiny weight of individual molecules of water to the massive weight of subterranean seas of solid rock. Moon can influence individual molecules of water which have freedom to move but not vast slabs of rock which are stuck in place by the immense pressure that lies below.


Ken Ring is castings his jewels before swine.

His 'jewels' are but rhinestones and plastic kids baubles. (Poetic huh?)

EDIT. No, the kids aren't plastic. Their baubles are. Should have written "...kids' plastic baubles". Don't tell Hitcher huh?

[Indiana_Jones]

Actually it was religious dogma that said those things. It was the method of science that proved otherwise.

The point i was trying to show was that it went against conventional wisdom of the time as far as most people were concerned

The church and science is a different matter entirely.

Who knows, in 500 years time people will be reading how the governments of the world gagged scientists from speaking the truth about global warming or the colour purple....

I'm not saying I agree with Ken Ring's theory, but he shouldn't be abused or burnt at the stake for having a different theory or take on the matter.

-Indy

[dipshit]

In other words "we have no idea when, but will tell you after it happens" & "thanks for all the taxpayer's money we have spent".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_Fault#Major_ruptures

I would say knowing when it went in the past and how strong goes a long way towards preparing for the next one. Building codes and contingency plans that have already been put in place for a response to the next one will save lives.

Perhaps if more people listened to what the scientists were predicting years ago, Chch might have been more prepared...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkTy6ogLDX8

[idb]

........

I'm not saying I agree with Ken Ring's theory, but he shouldn't be abused or burnt at the stake for having a different theory or take on the matter.

-Indy

I don't agree...the responsible thing to do would be to keep quiet until, through observation or experiment, he was confident that his theories are sound.

[ellipsis]

wouldn't it be refreshing, just once, to have something in this world that not even the experts claimed to understand.. :innocent:

...there is. I married her..

[idb]

wouldn't it be refreshing, just once, to have something in this world that not even the experts claimed to understand.. :innocent:

I think you'll find that seismologists routinely say just that...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Anyone got a ball to rub and then tell us what happens?

if I give mine a vigorous enough rub, there is a sudden magical appearance of gentlemans relish.

I know, its amazing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Scientists have been watching New Zealand's Alpine Fault in great detail for several decades. While it is impossible to predict just when the next big one will occur, there is certainty that it will happen, and geologically speaking quite soon.

In other words "we have no idea when, but will tell you after it happens" & "thanks for all the taxpayer's money we have spent".

the alternative being what, exactly?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Pretty much but I suspect if the tax payer was not paying for the research no one would, I really cant see a financial motivation to fund this science.

twat. how do you think science progresses? it isn't generally some eureka moment by some dude working in isolation for years and years suddenly having a breakthrough, it is years and years and thousands of hours of boring, repetitive grind.

I'm not getting at you particularly, though I think the question could be asked of you: what the hell do they teach in schools today? are the basic tenets of science, mathematics, physics and chemistry not taught any more? because I am constantly staggered by the number of otherwise reasonable even quite nice people who spout the most staggering beliefs in the most outlandish, stupid crap. And I've stopped being polite about it. I dont care if I hurt your feelings, if you're a fucking reet, I'll call you on it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

As a surfer, full moon clear nights and large south swells with light southerly quarter winds are to be expected, even tropical cyclones that come down are timed with the moon. Add perigee and in this case autumnal equinox and the expectation of a significant natural event will increase.

Why not earthquakes too?

Ken Ring is castings his jewels before swine.

Remember when I started a thread July 2010 re natural disasters? Why then at that time did I start this thread. What, why or whom prompted me? It was a prediction based on no scientific data, except a gut feeling. I was ridiculed totally!!!

How many of us are invisibly guided to act?

How often do we each predict things, without an appreciation of our own powers of prophecy??? And then the abuse of the messenger starts again...

I predict hog calling will become more popular as time in front of that great edeucator 'the telly' ticks down.

Gods favourite children are in for a big surprise

Whatever the hell you're on, I want some. Id save it for the weekend though because you're wacked out of your gourd on a school night.

who are God's favourite children, by the way?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The point i was trying to show was that it went against conventional wisdom of the time as far as most people were concerned

The church and science is a different matter entirely.

Who knows, in 500 years time people will be reading how the governments of the world gagged scientists from speaking the truth about global warming or the colour purple....

I'm not saying I agree with Ken Ring's theory, but he shouldn't be abused or burnt at the stake for having a different theory or take on the matter.

-Indy

Yes, yes he should be. Because he is a fraud, a charlatan, a profiteer, and a liar, whose only purpose in making his phony predictions is to garner publicity, and to line his pockets. He needs the same treatment that the two fucktards who stole the generators received. It is not science. it is bullshit.

I do not think your examples of global warming or the colour purple are particularly useful either.

[AllanB]

I'd go as far as stating that Mr Ring is doing OK out of all this presently. He was in Aussie speaking not long ago and a couple weeks back did two sold out seminars in Gore. I know this as when my in-laws were down there shopping a teller told them that the big one was coming to CHCH and it would be wrecked (she was at his seminar). Now these are folks well in their 70's and were rightfully upset.

MrsB called the manager and gave her a earful. The Manager was suitably unimpressed with her staff.

[steve_t]

I wanna know if the neighbour's cat has any psychic abilities! :innocent:

[Kickaha]

Yes, yes he should be. Because he is a fraud, a charlatan, a profiteer, and a liar, whose only purpose in making his phony predictions is to garner publicity, and to line his pockets. He needs the same treatment that the two fucktards who stole the generators received. It is not science. it is bullshit.

You sound like you need a hug :hug:

[JMemonic]

twat. how do you think science progresses? it isn't generally some eureka moment by some dude working in isolation for years and years suddenly having a breakthrough, it is years and years and thousands of hours of boring, repetitive grind.

I'm not getting at you particularly, though I think the question could be asked of you: what the hell do they teach in schools today? are the basic tenets of science, mathematics, physics and chemistry not taught any more? because I am constantly staggered by the number of otherwise reasonable even quite nice people who spout the most staggering beliefs in the most outlandish, stupid crap. And I've stopped being polite about it. I dont care if I hurt your feelings, if you're a fucking reet, I'll call you on it.

Pudding, wtf are you on about? Where the hell did you get any concept that I believed science is done in isolation, you need to re read my comment and learn comprehension, actually I would suspect you the reet as you put it.

What I stated, and I will hope you can understand it long hand. In this current age and system the main motivation science is mainly in the corporate world for profit. For the record I am thankful the tax payers, (myself included), are funding the science and research being done in this field, there are several other fields that are currently being funded by the tax payers that the corporate world would see no need to fund as there would be no apparent profit, astronomy would have to be another science in a similar vein, space exploration would be undertaken only for mining and exploration, Antarctica would be similar. These I guess would be concepts are a bit beyond you.

Put the bottle down step away and head to bed, when you are sober read the tread again.

[The Stranger]

the alternative being what, exactly?

Ah don't spend the money.
They don't even know where the hell to look (there's a fault under Christchurch? Who knew), let alone what to look for.
Great, they can tell us an earthquake happened. Awesome. TV3 told me that.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see our taxpayer money go to Ken Ring. At least he's entertaining. When was the last time a geologist gave us a laugh?

[JMemonic]

When was the last time a geologist gave us a laugh?

Me personally, the other day while he was hanging off the side of a cliff when an aftershock hit, the expletives were hilarious.

[The Stranger]

Me personally, the other day while he was hanging off the side of a cliff when an aftershock hit, the expletives were hilarious.

I stand corrected.

[oldrider]

I wanna know if the neighbour's cat has any psychic abilities! :innocent:

Absolutely and it is watching you as we speak! :shit:

[idb]

Ah don't spend the money.
They don't even know where the hell to look (there's a fault under Christchurch? Who knew), let alone what to look for.
Great, they can tell us an earthquake happened. Awesome. TV3 told me that.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see our taxpayer money go to Ken Ring. At least he's entertaining. When was the last time a geologist gave us a laugh?

Give it all to me, I can dance and tell jokes.

[Drunken Monkey]

... When was the last time a geologist gave us a laugh?

On American Dad:

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[steve_t]

Absolutely and it is watching you as we speak! :shit:

WTF? I read your post and looked out the ranch slider and the frickin cat is sitting there looking at me. I don't think the cat's psychic but you could be!! :gob::drinkup:

[avgas]

I predict an aftershock tomorrow in Chch.
I predict and aftershock tomorrow in Japan.
I predict a minor quake in California or Mexico tomorrow.

All these predictions are more accurate than ken rings - will let you know if I am 100% correct.

[Swoop]

Perhaps if more people listened to what the scientists were predicting years ago, Chch might have been more prepared...
A very valid point. The "new" building code for the region will be substantially upgraded... as will housing prices.:yes:

the alternative being what, exactly?
Perhaps using their immense wealth of knowledge and research to actually make some "educated guesses" as to when events will occur.
As you say: it isn't generally some eureka moment by some dude working in isolation for years and years suddenly having a breakthrough, it is years and years and thousands of hours of boring, repetitive grind.
If their research and data is good, let's see some serious predictions of their own which blows Ken Ring's predictions out of the water.

[scissorhands]

Perhaps using their immense wealth of knowledge and research to actually make some "educated guesses" as to when events will occur.
As you say: it isn't generally some eureka moment by some dude working in isolation for years and years suddenly having a breakthrough, it is years and years and thousands of hours of boring, repetitive grind.
If their research and data is good, let's see some serious predictions of their own which blows Ken Ring's predictions out of the water.

Ken Rings work is similar to that of John Britten. The major race bike manufacturers were stumped by a kiwi working out of his shed, on his first ever bikes.

+10 for the little guy, sour lemons for the oligarchy.

[steve_t]

Ken Rings work is similar to that of John Britten. The major race bike manufacturers were stumped by a kiwi working out of his shed, on his first ever bikes.

+10 for the little guy, sour lemons for the oligarchy.

You'd better be http://hippiekiller.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/troll.jpg ing. No way can you seriously compare Ken Ring to John Britten!! :blink::gob:

[Dadpole]

Using that analogy, John Britten would have promised a world-leading bike, taken their money, then delivered a copy of a Honda C50.

[scissorhands]

You'd better be http://hippiekiller.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/troll.jpg ing. No way can you seriously compare Ken Ring to John Britten!! :blink::gob:

Both came along and head rocked the 'experts', who with all their money and science were unable to step up.

Caesars ugly mob needs to have a beer, lighten up and use their imagination a little bit.

Oh they're not autistic enough to imagine a new way? same old, same old, same as before then!

[mashman]

twat. how do you think science progresses? it isn't generally some eureka moment by some dude working in isolation for years and years suddenly having a breakthrough, it is years and years and thousands of hours of boring, repetitive grind.

It isn't?

http://www.alberteinsteinonline.com/images/albert-einstein.jpg

[steve_t]

Both came along and head rocked the 'experts', who with all their money and science were unable to step up.

Caesars ugly mob needs to have a beer, lighten up and use their imagination a little bit.

Oh they're not autistic enough to imagine a new way? same old, same old, same as before then!

John Britten used science and engineering to create an amazing machine. He wasn't a magician, feline psychic interpreter, or fortune teller before discovering he could make money from gullible folk by making unfounded claims using specious reasoning. Hasn't the lack of a 'massive earthquake' on the 20th convinced you that Ken Ring's credibility is basically zero? You say the naysayers need to lighten up, I say the willfully blind need to open their eyes. Actually, I don't care what people believe. It was just the comparison between Ring and Britten that got my back up

[pzkpfw]

It isn't?...

When he found he didn't have the math he needed to fully express his ideas, he went and did the hard grind of upping his knowledge.

He wasn't the "just a patent clerk who failed maths at school who had a flash of inspiration" that popular myth suggests.

His work also added to and built on work of previous scientists. He didn't single handedly overturn science with something new.

Finally, even much of the stuff he proved "wrong" is actually still in use in situations where it's "good enough". Newtons laws, for example.


Bad example. Every crackpot makes the "they laughed at {insert scientist name here} too!". Doesn't mean a thing.

[mashman]

When he found he didn't have the math he needed to fully express his ideas, he went and did the hard grind of upping his knowledge.

He wasn't the "just a patent clerk who failed maths at school who had a flash of inspiration" that popular myth suggests.

His work also added to and built on work of previous scientists. He didn't single handedly overturn science with something new.

Finally, even much of the stuff he proved "wrong" is actually still in use in situations where it's "good enough". Newtons laws, for example.


Bad example. Every crackpot makes the "they laughed at {insert scientist name here} too!". Doesn't mean a thing.

Seriously, he provided nothing new? Ok. Same as Issac Newton then, or Pythagoras? In which case John Britten knew what an engine was and didn't do anything remarkable from his shed (i don't believe that by the way)

Added: Anyone can learn something new should they choose to. Doesn't mean that they is special... but what they do with that knowledge is another matter entirely

[idb]

Both came along and head rocked the 'experts', who with all their money and science were unable to step up.

Caesars ugly mob needs to have a beer, lighten up and use their imagination a little bit.

Oh they're not autistic enough to imagine a new way? same old, same old, same as before then!

"He's not the Messiah...he's a very naughty boy!"

[pzkpfw]

Seriously, he provided nothing new?

Seriously, your reading comprehension skills are that bad?

[idb]

On American Dad:

"Geologists Have Big Stones"

[avgas]

I predict a minor quake in California
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71540800.php

the other 2 were inevitable

[Indiana_Jones]

Yes, yes he should be. Because he is a fraud, a charlatan, a profiteer, and a liar, whose only purpose in making his phony predictions is to garner publicity, and to line his pockets. He needs the same treatment that the two fucktards who stole the generators received. It is not science. it is bullshit.

I do not think your examples of global warming or the colour purple are particularly useful either.

We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it :sunny:

-Indy

[mashman]

Seriously, your reading comprehension skills are that bad?

It's an internet forum :blink: heaven forbid someone would "read" something different than was meant in the original post... I can't say I'm surprised by the response though (not being a smart arse here)... whatever happened to the, that's not what I was saying, or you misunderstood this bit, or I was implying X and you deduced Y...
In that context, yes my reading comprehension skills are that bad (always have been unfortunately :yes:)

[Banditbandit]

I don't take much notice of Ken Ring, but I can't help wondering if he's in a bit of a Galileo situation.

The criticisms of him certainly are similar - an outrageous crackpot going against known wisdom

He does have, what on the face of it, seems a possible explanation (not too sure about the predictiosn tho'). Rememebrign back to when I did science at university ... the moon MIGHT well affect tectonic plates

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ken Rings work is similar to that of John Britten. The major race bike manufacturers were stumped by a kiwi working out of his shed, on his first ever bikes.

+10 for the little guy, sour lemons for the oligarchy.

wrong, but thanks for playing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't take much notice of Ken Ring, but I can't help wondering if he's in a bit of a Galileo situation.

The criticisms of him certainly are similar - an outrageous crackpot going against known wisdom

He does have, what on the face of it, seems a possible explanation (not too sure about the predictiosn tho'). Rememebrign back to when I did science at university ... the moon MIGHT well affect tectonic plates

No. and the comparison is egregious towards Galileo. Remember this is before the Enlightenment. the church controlled everything. Galileo, by the application of the scientific method, came to a conclusion which was at odds with the church, but which was factually correct (and thus his riposte "Yet still, it moves").

Ring's "science" and "method" is based on faulty incorrect and faith based premise: In your analogy the criminal Ring is the church. It is testament to our progress in the last few hundred years that the criminal Ring is now firmly in the minority.

[HenryDorsetCase]

We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it :sunny:

-Indy

Quoting my favourite band at me does not make you any more correct.

This is a public service announcement, with guitars.

[motor_mayhem]

I don't take much notice of Ken Ring, but I can't help wondering if he's in a bit of a Galileo situation.

The criticisms of him certainly are similar - an outrageous crackpot going against known wisdom

He does have, what on the face of it, seems a possible explanation (not too sure about the predictiosn tho'). Rememebrign back to when I did science at university ... the moon MIGHT well affect tectonic plates

Except that whereas in the days of Galileo it was the religious establishment stopping him and the tech was not advanced enough to prove him right, Time proves KR wrong regularly and the current world is not ruled by religion.

[ellipsis]

the current world is not ruled by religion.


...our secular part of the world may not be...anyway..not to digress from the diametric ramblings of the pro's and cons...

[Indiana_Jones]

Quoting my favourite band at me does not make you any more correct.

This is a public service announcement, with guitars.

I think you do need a hug lol

My favourite band too :)

You got a scrambler too right?

-Indy

[Banditbandit]

and the current world is not ruled by religion.

Isn't it? The faith that some people put in science would seem to qualify it as a religion

[The Stranger]

I think you do need a hug lol

My favourite band too :)

You got a scrambler too right?

-Indy

That's it Indy - go for the throat.

[Indiana_Jones]

That's it Indy - go for the throat.

Quick! now pull his pants down.....

-Indy

[admenk]

Quick! now pull his pants down.....

-Indy

I hope you're not going to batter him about the (Ken) Ring :shit:

[Transalper]

Regardless of whether the moon can help set an earthquake off or not the Civil Defence have been telling us to get ready for several years now and the Alpine Fault is still expected to go maybe today, or maybe not even in my lifetime.

It also seems sensible enough to me to state that when the ground gets stressed enough earthquakes do not need the moons influence to set them off meaning they can come at any time whether Ken Ring has forecast an increased risk or not.
This means if you start hanging off his every word you may just as easily find yourself caught by surprise when the next big one hits.

Simple answer is to ignore the banter and keep your situational awareness and survival kits etc up to date always.
On that topic I was on a vehicle recovery mission on Feb 23rd I found it amazing how many people still had to cue up with all manner of container trying to get water which they all should have had ready and waiting all along.. especially after September and Decembers warnings from the earth.

and now on with the show I assume.

[AllanB]

Good point - but I bet there are still thousands in CHCH who do not have stored water etc even now!

[steve_t]

I wonder if the moon affects volcanic eruptions

http://tvnz.co.nz//national-news/taupo-volcano-would-dwarf-iceland-eruption-3639510

[Banditbandit]

No. and the comparison is egregious towards Galileo. Remember this is before the Enlightenment. the church controlled everything. Galileo, by the application of the scientific method, came to a conclusion which was at odds with the church, but which was factually correct (and thus his riposte "Yet still, it moves").

Ring's "science" and "method" is based on faulty incorrect and faith based premise: In your analogy the criminal Ring is the church. It is testament to our progress in the last few hundred years that the criminal Ring is now firmly in the minority.

Yes, I agree. We now post-Enlightenment

However, I think people put a lot of faith in "the scientific method" - have you read Feyerabend's book Against Method? An interesting take on the scientific approach from a Philosophy of Science PoV and quite different from Popper or Kuhn

In regards to people like Ring, the scientific establishment act much like the church did. Now, sometimes they are right. But what if, in Ring's case, they are wrong?

A lot of what he says is garbage, I agree. What if he has a kernel of truth in his earthquake ideas?

Not that I'd hold my breath over his predictions ...

[scissorhands]

No. and the comparison is egregious towards Galileo. Remember this is before the Enlightenment. the church controlled everything. Galileo, by the application of the scientific method, came to a conclusion which was at odds with the church, but which was factually correct (and thus his riposte "Yet still, it moves").

Ring's "science" and "method" is based on faulty incorrect and faith based premise: In your analogy the criminal Ring is the church. It is testament to our progress in the last few hundred years that the criminal Ring is now firmly in the minority.

Have you ever considered a good dose of anal sex for the bad monkeys inside of you? I know a good priest who can roger that

[george formby]

Yes, I agree. We now post-Enlightenment

However, I think people put a lot of faith in "the scientific method" - have you read Feyerabend's book Against Method? An interesting take on the scientific approach from a Philosophy of Science PoV and quite different from Popper or Kuhn

In regards to people like Ring, the scientific establishment act much like the church did. Now, sometimes they are right. But what if, in Ring's case, they are wrong?

A lot of what he says is garbage, I agree. What if he has a kernel of truth in his earthquake ideas?

Not that I'd hold my breath over his predictions ...

Up to a point he does, t'scientific community only accepted Plate Tectonics in the 50's I think, well, very recently & shortly after a "crack pot" was proven right that PT is ONE of the main influences of weather patterns on a grand scale.

It amazes me that scientific research is still reported in the singular, the solution, the cure etc when it is obvious that what ever you look at is connected to something else, predicting earthquakes is probably harder than predicting the weather, all the influences have to be taken into account & we do not know all the influences. Gravitational pull? Why not? It's big enough to contribute but I very much doubt cause an earthquake, the proverbial straw.

[ellipsis]

...not up with quantum physics...any fucking physics, for that matter...but i think that Stephen Hawking is a fantastic example of science being so far out there..incomprehensible to a mere chippy like me...but readily believable...although it all seems to be so far beyond proving...one of his theories on exploding black holes has just been added to by a bloke Visser...a kiwi...

..a loose quote by Visser.."we would have to be very unlucky for a black hole to drift into our solar system and explode"...


...I think we should be very very very worried...and if it just happened to be a full moon, we would never see that black hole sneak in, in time to even kiss are arse goodbye as we all got sucked through the event horizon...moon and all...ohh fuck...what to do now...

[AllanB]

WTF - now someone is claiming that we will all be sucking black holes?

I'll have to Google 'sucking black holes' to keep informed .:innocent:

[dipshit]

I'll have to Google 'sucking black holes' to keep informed .


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:facepalm:

[Jantar]

... the moon MIGHT well affect tectonic plates
Oh, it does. However the effect has been measured and is rather minor. Its a bit like switching on an additional light bulb to heat your room in the middle of winter. That additional 100 W does have an effect, but is small compared to the 2kW heater you've already got running.

As has already been mentioned by someone in a previous post, the primary driver is the amount of stress that has built up within the fault.

[NighthawkNZ]

WTF - now someone is claiming that we will all be sucking black holes?

I'll have to Google 'sucking black holes' to keep informed .:innocent:

ghey... must be a honda thing.... tada boom

[The Stranger]

Have you ever considered a good dose of anal sex for the bad monkeys inside of you? I know a good priest who can roger that

So i take it you enjoyed your time a choir boy.

[imdying]

3 days late, and still nothing. Come on Ring, where's this statistically significant seismic event or whatever it was supposed to be?

Comparisons to Galileo are completely flawed... he said he was correct of course, but the important difference was that he could actually demonstrate he was right.

Perhaps he should go back to telling fortunes from cats paws? :facepalm:

[oldrider]

I wonder if the moon affects volcanic eruptions

http://tvnz.co.nz//national-news/taupo-volcano-would-dwarf-iceland-eruption-3639510

And this "scientific" report is "less" scaremongering than Rings? :shutup:

Who gives a shit, they are all just interesting concepts etc.

It's not even compulsory to read it, let alone to believe it and be "afraid"!

The only one who can give you permission to be afraid is yourself!

Personally, I like this kinda stuff. :niceone:

[shrub]

3 days late, and still nothing. Come on Ring, where's this statistically significant seismic event or whatever it was supposed to be?

Comparisons to Galileo are completely flawed... he said he was correct of course, but the important difference was that he could actually demonstrate he was right.

Perhaps he should go back to telling fortunes from cats paws? :facepalm:

My plastic Jesus is blutacked to the ledge above my door and my plastic Jesus is more powerful than Ken Ring, so I've trumped his sorry ass.

Plastic Jesus: 1
Ken Ring: 0

[Banditbandit]

...I think we should be very very very worried...and if it just happened to be a full moon, we would never see that black hole sneak in, in time to even kiss are arse goodbye as we all got sucked through the event horizon...moon and all...ohh fuck...what to do now...

We may well be in a black hole now - my understanding is that the gravitation field of a black hole so distorts time that a millisecond become an eternity ... we would never know we were in one ... so why worry?

[Oakie]

We may well be in a black hole now - my understanding is that the gravitation field of a black hole so distorts time that a millisecond become an eternity

Sort of like when the mother-in-law comes to stay for a while?

[Swoop]

(POINT#1)...the Alpine Fault is still expected to go maybe today, or maybe not even in my lifetime.


(POINT#2)Simple answer is to ignore the banter and keep your situational awareness and survival kits etc up to date
@ #1: That sounds like the prediction of a scientist.

@ #2: With a lot of the population having survival kits, wouldn't the Americans call us a "survivalist cult" bunch of wacko's?:scratch:

[Banditbandit]

My plastic Jesus is blutacked to the ledge above my door and my plastic Jesus is more powerful than Ken Ring, so I've trumped his sorry ass.

Plastic Jesus: 1
Ken Ring: 0

Yes - but given the number of churchs the earthquake destroyed perhaps Ruamoko is stronger than Jesus ???

[Kickaha]

Yes - but given the number of churchs the earthquake destroyed perhaps Ruamoko is stronger than Jesus ???

If he was we'd have Volcanoes as well and smell like Rotorua

[Grumph]

If he was we'd have Volcanoes as well and smell like Rotorua


A well travelled friend back in ChCh for the weekend informs me that ChCh smells like New Delhi.....

Kick, now you've seen the photos ( I assume) do you still want to go to the top of the Grand Chancellor ?

[AllanB]

Still waiting .......................

[Kickaha]

Kick, now you've seen the photos ( I assume) do you still want to go to the top of the Grand Chancellor ?

I'll get dropped in by Helicopter, as it turned it on the 20th I would have been quite safe

[Kickaha]

So where was his prediction for the 6.9 Thailand earthquake?

[oneofsix]

So where was his prediction for the 6.9 Thailand earthquake?

But, but the moon is in the wrong quadrant. They must have imagined the quake, that will be it :yes: :innocent:

[shrub]

So where was his prediction for the 6.9 Thailand earthquake?

The cat he uses to predict Thai earthquakes got run over.

As an aside, should this town be renamed Nochurches?

[oldrider]

Six more shakes over night (according to the radio this morning) and not even rating a mention here today!

Conditioning is working .... gotta get over magnitude 6 x 6 to even rate a mention now! :yes:

It seems to have been going on a long time now, even to those of us who are not there! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

If he was we'd have Volcanoes as well and smell like Rotorua

Ruamoko is not the atua of Volcanoes and geyser fields - such as at Rotorua. Ruamoko is the atua responsible for earthquakes.

[imdying]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fgxbJBi9cU

Enjoy that one :)

[mashman]

Enjoy that one :)

:rofl:... seen that in BMW guise before... nice

but I can tell him where he went wrong :shifty:, it's not Venus and Jupiter, it's Saturn and Jupiter :shit:

[Kickaha]

Ruamoko is not the atua of Volcanoes and geyser fields - such as at Rotorua. Ruamoko is the atua responsible for earthquakes.

What I have read says different and says he is god of both earthquakes and volcanoes

[FJRider]

.......................................

http://www.kedgley.school.nz/Kedgley/Maori_site/ruamoko.htm

[avgas]

should this town be renamed Nochurches?

- Dunbuildin
- Wallowton
- Atheisthallow

[oldrider]

Ruamoko is not the atua of Volcanoes and geyser fields - such as at Rotorua. Ruamoko is the atua responsible for earthquakes.

Interesting but does "he" (Ruamoko) realise that along with responsibility comes "accountability"? :shit:

Next time Ruamoko spews shite all over the countryside, (and other peoples private property) he and his promoters should shoulder the cost of cleaning it up again! :yes:

[FJRider]

Interesting but does "he" (Ruamoko) realise that along with responsibility comes "accountability"? :shit:

Next time Ruamoko spews shite all over the countryside, (and other peoples private property) he and his promoters should shoulder the cost of cleaning it up again! :yes:

Deduct repair/rebuilding costs from the treaty funds ... if one of their's did the damage .. :innocent:

[imdying]

What I have read says different and says he is god of both earthquakes and volcanoesI hear the easter bunny brings chocolate eggs! :laugh:

[Kickaha]

I hear the easter bunny brings chocolate eggs! :laugh:

He better have a big basket of them when he visits this house, mmmmmmm roast rabbit

[mashman]

Well fucksake (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9250869/moon-man-in-hiding-after-death-threats/)... Ken Ring receives death threats etc... because the TV publicise his "beliefs", and New Zealand responds with death threats :facepalm:

Adding insult to injury "I've been virtually told by [ACC minister] Dr Nick Smith and Sir Peter Gluckman [the prime minister's scientific advisor] that I'm not qualified to put statements out about earthquakes. They will have me legally if I do that." So make it ilegal for the TV to fucking publish them then :facepalm:...

It's none of their fuckin business what the guy says. Whatever happened to free speech. What a pathetic bunch of cunts! I feel for the guy... Fucked over by his countrymen and his government, +1 NZ (insert much debated sarcasm smiley)

[steve_t]

Death threats? WTF?! People need to get a life. Here's a guy, who was obviously wrong about a massive quake on the 20th. He's already been written off by the majority of the population as not being able to predict earthquakes. Leave the poor guy alone

[Kickaha]

It's none of their fuckin business what the guy says. Whatever happened to free speech. What a pathetic bunch of cunts! I feel for the guy... Fucked over by his countrymen and his government, +1 NZ (insert much debated sarcasm smiley)

Does NZ actually have something in law that gives a right to free speech or is that just some more American rubbbish people have picked up?

What's pathetic is people still wanting to believe his scaremongering bullshit when his predictions have been shown to inaccurate by far the majority of time


Death threats? WTF?! People need to get a life. Here's a guy, who was obviously wrong about a massive quake on the 20th. He's already been written off by the majority of the population as not being able to predict earthquakes. Leave the poor guy alone

He's been wrong about a lot more than that but his supporters seem to conveniently forget any predictions he makes that aren't correct (which is most of them)

If you lived down here and had seen the effect the earthquake and the effect his predictions have had on people you might not be so charitable regarding him

[Spearfish]

Wasn't it inconvenient there was a 5.1+ aftershock a few days after TV3,s Campbell ripped the guy apart. 237177 <----- sarcasm widget

[FJRider]

Does NZ actually have something in law that gives a right to free speech or is that just some more American rubbbish people have picked up?



Free speech isn't as free as some may think ... interesting reading here ...

http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/131742/free-speech

[mashman]

Does NZ actually have something in law that gives a right to free speech or is that just some more American rubbbish people have picked up?

What's pathetic is people still wanting to believe his scaremongering bullshit when his predictions have been shown to inaccurate by far the majority of time


Dunno, fair point, but :rofl: @ the need for a law to free speech :killingme... I hope there's a law that allows me to go for a shit when i want to without risking a journey to the big house :blink:.

What's pathetic is people blaming Ringo... it's almost comedic when



his predictions have been shown to inaccurate by far the majority of time


Tis the media that "made" the guy, and the media are the ones responsible for REPORTING HIS PREDICTIONS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, and by default are responsible for the added nerve jangling down south... Not Ringo :facepalm:... yet he receives death threats... narrow minded cunts.

I'm not a supporter of the Ring, but I am a supporter of the theory that is espoused by a MUCH wider community. The only thing Ringo did wrong was to accept the media's invite.

[jazfender]

The only thing Ringo did wrong was to accept the media's invite.

Yah, people confuse someone listening to their story with being on their side. The media only wants a fucking story and only if it makes them money.

[scissorhands]

The last full moons all had significant quakes. The worst part of his threats is his theories ARE BASICALLY CORRECT

What ever happened to scientific truth

[Kickaha]

The last full moons all had significant quakes. The worst part of his threats is his theories ARE BASICALLY CORRECT


Bullshit they are
What about all the other full moons that didn't? or don't they count?

[steve_t]

The last full moons all had significant quakes. The worst part of his threats is his theories ARE BASICALLY CORRECT

What ever happened to scientific truth

What about the other "significant quakes" that weren't on the full moons?

[Kickaha]

What about the other "significant quakes" that weren't on the full moons?

Apparently they don't count if Ken Ring doesn't predict them

[mashman]

Yah, people confuse someone listening to their story with being on their side. The media only wants a fucking story and only if it makes them money.

heh, especially when it's a story that just keeps on giving... Wonder if they realised what they were doing...

[cruza]

Mine gets wheel chocked and bars strapped to the rafters since September - friends smile but it is still standing and many have fallen in the past 6 months.


Made steel bracket , drilled hole in ceiling gib, now bike is attached via strop at all times. just plain lucky bike didn't fall over first quake......."park to conditions" lol

I'm like alot of people , not nervous, but a bit more prepared . Gezz how many eq ads hav I seen ova the years and watched contractors working away upgrading and quake strengthening pre sep and not given it a second thought.
moonman can say what he likes, just like starsigns in the daily paper really........fills in the coffee break:yes:

[Oakie]

Death threats? Ironic that he felt the need to do a runner from his home after receiving death threats as that is essentially what he delivered to the people in Christchurch and put so many in fear for their lives that they also ran. A woman I work with had her daughter on suicide watch in the 2 weeks running up to 20 March as she (the daughter) was convinced "the world was going to end that day".

Karma?

[scissorhands]

For fucks sake

[HenryDorsetCase]

The last full moons all had significant quakes. The worst part of his threats is his theories ARE BASICALLY CORRECT

What ever happened to scientific truth

his theories are not correct. And his lies are not science. Do you even know what "science" is? Do you understand even a little bit of how the scientific method works? Do you know how far the criminal Ring is from even the fringes of generally accepted scientific theory?

Let me posit something for you: you have cancer. With proper medical treatment, it is curable, and you will live the rest of what passes for your normal life. Untreated by those methods, you will die.

Do do you spin crystals, consult homeopaths, osteopaths, aroma therapists, or do you go to the doctor.

What do you do?

[Oakie]

This from Courtney Seligman, (Professor of Astronomy) is basically the science:

The Gravitational Force of the Moon on Objects on the Earth

Just as the Earth pulls on the Moon, the Moon pulls on the Earth, and everything else in space. The strength of the Moon's gravitational force is given by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation

F = G m MMoon / r2Moon ,

where G the gravitational constant, m is the mass of the object being pulled on by the Moon, MMoon is the mass of the Moon, and rMoon is the distance between the Moon and the object. A similar force acts between the Earth and various objects, except that we use the distance to the Earth, rEarth, and the mass of the Earth, MEarth, in place of the lunar values. Since the Earth's force on something is the object's weight, W, we can write

W = F = G m MEarth / r2Earth .

MMoon / MEarth is about 1/80; and for an object at the surface of the Earth, rEarth is about 4000 miles, and rMoon is about 240,000 miles, or 60 times greater; so at the surface of the Earth, the pull of the Moon is 80 times smaller than the object's weight because of its lesser mass, and another 3600 (= 60 squared) times smaller because of its greater distance. Combining these two effects, the Moon's pull on objects near the Earth is only 1/300,000th of their Earth weight. So if something weighs 150 pounds due to the pull of the Earth, the pull of the Moon on that object would be about 150/300000, or 1/2000th of a pound.

Full article is here: http://cseligman.com/text/moons/earthmoontides.htm

I don't pretend to understand the formula but what this means is that while yes, the moon has an effect on the earth, the scale of that effect is so small as to be insignificant, especially in terms of land movements.

The scale is a bit like saying "I was riding my bike and a large bumblebee hit the headlight and slowed me down". Well yeah. A 5 gram bee hitting a 250kg object going at 100kph will have an effect but it will be so small as to be entirely insignificant.

May we move on now ... :yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

This from Courtney Seligman, (Professor of Astronomy) is basically the science:

The Gravitational Force of the Moon on Objects on the Earth

Just as the Earth pulls on the Moon, the Moon pulls on the Earth, and everything else in space. The strength of the Moon's gravitational force is given by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation

F = G m MMoon / r2Moon ,

where G the gravitational constant, m is the mass of the object being pulled on by the Moon, MMoon is the mass of the Moon, and rMoon is the distance between the Moon and the object. A similar force acts between the Earth and various objects, except that we use the distance to the Earth, rEarth, and the mass of the Earth, MEarth, in place of the lunar values. Since the Earth's force on something is the object's weight, W, we can write

W = F = G m MEarth / r2Earth .

MMoon / MEarth is about 1/80; and for an object at the surface of the Earth, rEarth is about 4000 miles, and rMoon is about 240,000 miles, or 60 times greater; so at the surface of the Earth, the pull of the Moon is 80 times smaller than the object's weight because of its lesser mass, and another 3600 (= 60 squared) times smaller because of its greater distance. Combining these two effects, the Moon's pull on objects near the Earth is only 1/300,000th of their Earth weight. So if something weighs 150 pounds due to the pull of the Earth, the pull of the Moon on that object would be about 150/300000, or 1/2000th of a pound.

Full article is here: http://cseligman.com/text/moons/earthmoontides.htm

I don't pretend to understand the formula but what this means is that while yes, the moon has an effect on the earth, the scale of that effect is so small as to be insignificant, especially in terms of land movements.

The scale is a bit like saying "I was riding my bike and a large bumblebee hit the headlight and slowed me down". Well yeah. A 5 gram bee hitting a 250kg object going at 100kph will have an effect but it will be so small as to be entirely insignificant.

May we move on now ... :yes:

Thank you, and yes.

[imdying]

No less than he deserves.

[puddytat]

Sooooo......Is the MOON full all over the world when its full here?

[scissorhands]

Yes, some slight variation with tilt, but twelve hours later the opposite side of the earth experiences the same moon phase

[mashman]

I don't pretend to understand the formula but what this means is that while yes, the moon has an effect on the earth, the scale of that effect is so small as to be insignificant, especially in terms of land movements.

The scale is a bit like saying "I was riding my bike and a large bumblebee hit the headlight and slowed me down". Well yeah. A 5 gram bee hitting a 250kg object going at 100kph will have an effect but it will be so small as to be entirely insignificant.


Me neither. So i'll stick with observation and ill thought out theories.

That has to be one of the greatest analogy fails of our time :killingme... so here's a contender :rofl:

The Moon holds on to the Earth's surface using a tractor beam. A tractor beam that is strong enough to pull the Moon crashing into the Earth. Fortunately, the Moon is travelling quickly enough around the Earth, for that to never happen. A consequence is, whatever is under the tractor beam gets dragged, or lifted. Water does it until the tractor beam hits land... then once the tractor beam is on the land, the water starts moving back to where it came from.

Now that may not be much better, but better, I hope :).

The influence of the Moon is enough to pull/lift water levels. Even some inland lakes are tidal :blink:. I have a hard time believing that the Moon doesn't affect the land enough, to not be a part cause of land "disturbances". Especially when the "influence" is variable i.e. different tidal levels for different phases of the moon and probably never the same level twice in a millenium, and the moon doesn't just switch off because it's over land. But i'm no scientist...

[Paul in NZ]

No less than he deserves.

Hold on! Assume just for a moment that Ken Ring thinks he is actually RIGHT. Regardless of what you think but that as far as he is concerned, HE thinks he is correct. Assuming hes still a reasonably decent person, and he thinks that there might be a big one coming he does the right thing and warns people when given access to the media....

Yes of course when the apocalypse didnt happen people bay for blood but is that what he said? After all there was a pretty decent after shock that day... It was unfortuately later than the evening news so it didnt count. Frankly if it came to a honesty show down between some love hungry tv announcer and Ken R I'm fucked if I know who I'd choose.... They are both as bad as each other but at least Ken R is trying to do the right thing where as the other is just a useless leach... In fact the TV dudes more pissed of it didnt happen than anyone else.. Must a made for a slow news day...

Of course people are on edge, of course some people cant cope and go on suicide watch (seems every bit as flakey as ken R btw) but some people cant cope with mice ....

Personally I dont think Ken R is 100% correct (or even 50%) but it wouldnt be the first time that some left field theory has gone from crackpot to science would it. Who knows, you cant completely just dismiss things. I know more than one farmer that does OK using his weather predicitions (having said that, its never been any good for me) and any fisherman or hunter will tell you the moon does affect fish and game so who knows?

End of the day - science didnt predict diddly squat and seldom ever tries. In fact science didnt even do a decent job of explaining why and thus opened the door to this. (this 'we didnt realise shit is an utter crock, I remember building restraint systems for gear 25+ years ago specifically FOR this type of event in chch) Ken R took a risk at fame n fortune and has paid the price - unfortunately he forgot that people dont like prophets very much - they nearly always come to a sticky end - especially false ones... unless they manged to drop the hair shirt and pick up a bloody big flaming sword while coming in from the wilderness... After all, the rule is never prophesy; for if you prophesy wrong, nobody will forget it; and if you prophesy right, nobody will remember it.

[scumdog]

No less than he deserves.

Yeah, the dork forgot there are 100s of gullible drongos out there...suckers!:rolleyes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, the dork forgot there are 100s of gullible drongos out there...suckers!:rolleyes:

I don't think for a second the criminal Ring forgot those suckers. After all, who buys his books, who visits his website? Who are his beliebers?

Remember, this criminal seeks to profit from others misery.

[Spearfish]

Do do you spin crystals, consult homoeopaths, osteopaths, aroma therapists, or do you go to the doctor.

What do you do?

Up until very recently you could do all of those things on ACC.

[imdying]

Hold on! Assume just for a moment that Ken Ring thinks he is actually RIGHT.And that's as far as I got reading your post....

[Paul in NZ]

And that's as far as I got reading your post....

HA! I bet.........

[Oakie]

Up until very recently you could do all of those things on ACC.

Don't forget Vibration Therapy. I've had one of those at work thru ACC a few years ago.

[Spearfish]

Don't forget Vibration Therapy. I've had one of those at work thru ACC a few years ago.

Vibration Therapy? ohh err

[Oakie]

Vibration Therapy? ohh err

"My vagina hurts"

[The Stranger]

Do do you spin crystals, consult homeopaths, osteopaths, aroma therapists, or do you go to the doctor.

What do you do?

Interesting that you raise this. When I was in Mexico for treatment at a cancer clinic I was amazed at the number of people who were there many many years after they had been given but months to live - by "conventional" doctors. The number of people in that condition were simply mind blowing. My initial reaction was it had to be fake, it had to be a set up, all these people had been paid off surely.
I saw people delivered via ambulance unable to walk, up and about in no time. Again, it had to be an elaborate plant right?
Complete mind fuck, it couldn't possibly be so, none of their methods were rigorously tested in double blind placebo controlled trials, so how could they possibly work?

Now I know I was ripped off and I'm clearly nuts, may as well believe in the tooth fairy, but then I have just recieved some very astounding news re my health.
I'm sure there's a rational answer from the scientific community somewhere - they'll invent one (untested, but correct none the less) to ensure it can't be ascribed to the quacks in Mexico (anyone for religion?).

To be sure there was no colour or aroma therapy and no osteopathy - that I was aware of, but their methods were certainly not those your man of science will prescribe.
Also to be sure, I'm not saying the moon man is right. I am saying that you should in general keep an open mind, if you don't you are as bad as him.

[Spearfish]

Interesting that you raise this. When I was in Mexico for treatment at a cancer clinic I was amazed at the number of people who were there many many years after they had been given but months to live - by "conventional" doctors. The number of people in that condition were simply mind blowing. My initial reaction was it had to be fake, it had to be a set up, all these people had been paid off surely.
I saw people delivered via ambulance unable to walk, up and about in no time. Again, it had to be an elaborate plant right?
Complete mind fuck, it couldn't possibly be so, none of their methods were rigorously tested in double blind placebo controlled trials, so how could they possibly work?

Now I know I was ripped off and I'm clearly nuts, may as well believe in the tooth fairy, but then I have just recieved some very astounding news re my health.
I'm sure there's a rational answer from the scientific community somewhere - they'll invent one (untested, but correct none the less) to ensure it can't be ascribed to the quacks in Mexico (anyone for religion?).

To be sure there was no colour or aroma therapy and no osteopathy - that I was aware of, but their methods were certainly not those your man of science will prescribe.
Also to be sure, I'm not saying the moon man is right. I am saying that you should in general keep an open mind, if you don't you are as bad as him.


I think if I had gone through what you have then I wouldn't care what people say either.

[Spearfish]

"My vagina hurts"

I left the door open for that response.