Surrendering your plate when putting rego on hold

[RE5Guy]

In yesterday's announcement the bit that got me going is about having to surrender your plates if you wanted to put your registration on hold. I now regularly do this because I can't ride my 7 bikes at the same time - but don't start me on ACC levies.....

Ok I went and checked out the new regulations. They actually say

"The Registrar may require the registered person, or the person acting on the registered person’s behalf, to surrender the registration plate or plates of the motor vehicle for the duration of the exemption".

I guess the key word is "may", which is a lot better than "will".

However no indication is given as to when they "may" do this. I guess the inference is that if you get caught, or if your history of exempting your vehicle/s indicates you may be rorting the system, then they will require you to hand over your plates.

Then further

"If the registration plate or plates are surrendered, the Registrar must, on expiry of the exemption, return the surrendered plate or plates or, where that is not reasonably practicable, a duplicate plate or plates".

So if you treasure your old black and silver plates, they may not be what you get back.

For the full info go to

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM2938344.html

cheers

Tony

[onearmedbandit]

Could you say you lost your original plate (eg fell off the bike during a ride) and request a replacement in white? Then if they do have to re-issue after being on hold (assuming they give you the 'same' plate back) you could still use your old black plate?

[avgas]

Who will they send the bill too if I have no plate on my bike.......sounds like a perfect excuse not to stop.

[tigertim20]

Could you say you lost your original plate (eg fell off the bike during a ride) and request a replacement in white? Then if they do have to re-issue after being on hold (assuming they give you the 'same' plate back) you could still use your old black plate?

When they 're-issue' the plate will be different. people will ask questions on reslae about why its plate changed, usually assuming the worst.(written off and repaired)

Funny thing is, what abput personal plates? I understand if you get a personalised plate, you OWN the plate. be fucked if Im handing in an $800 plate to any cunt.

[Morcs]

When they 're-issue' the plate will be different. people will ask questions on reslae about why its plate changed, usually assuming the worst.(written off and repaired)

Funny thing is, what abput personal plates? I understand if you get a personalised plate, you OWN the plate. be fucked if Im handing in an $800 plate to any cunt.

You dont own the plate.

The own the right to the plate.
if you give them your plate, you dont lose squat. the plate isnt worth the money. You can still get one.

[MSTRS]

Who will they send the bill too if I have no plate on my bike.......sounds like a perfect excuse not to stop.


When they 're-issue' the plate will be different. people will ask questions on reslae about why its plate changed, usually assuming the worst.(written off and repaired)

Funny thing is, what abput personal plates? I understand if you get a personalised plate, you OWN the plate. be fucked if Im handing in an $800 plate to any cunt.

Bingo!! To all of these.
It's a stupid idea.

[sil3nt]

I do everything online. Do i email them my plate?

[avgas]

I do everything online. Do i email them my plate?
yep.

it might break the fax machine.

[davereid]

No problem.

The new legislation allows for you to lose your plate and get a replacement with exactly the same number

So this is not likely to be a very big issue.

[davereid]

Hmm while reading the legislation I noticed two interesting things...

1.. allowance for adhesive plates in there. This may be the motorcycle front number plate thing again being allowed for

2.. a moped is distinctly listed as not being a motorcycle. So why do I pay the motorcycle safety levy on it ?

email to NZTA on its way..

[Reckless]

My guess is that this won't be a general requirement but they are leaving the door open to grab the plates off those that try and screw them over!!

Get a ticket (incl parking tickets) or caught on the road on the "on hold plate", you go on a list and you have to start handing it in!!

Well that would be the common sense theory who the hell knows what will actually happen???
Anyway just my take on why its worded MAY?? :facepalm:

[admenk]

Well that would be the common sense theory

When did our leaders start using that? :gob:

[Ratti]

We were discussing it a a meeting last night and one of the members had made an enquiry to VTNZ about this. the response was, that they were not interested in grabbing plates as there was no indication that there is a sensible system in place for storing and re-issuing the wretched things. Basically they are not interested cos it would be a pain in THEIR butt to do this.

Im not worrying about it, I have three bikes on hold and dont know where the plates are anyway.If someone wants to troll through the boxes in the shed, they will be there somewhere...good luck

[FJRider]

The new regulations give the policy makers options for the future ... I dont see any issues of concern ... YET ... !!!

Copies are NOT made of "OLD" plates ... they are simply "replaced" by new plates ... the only way to ensure (guarantee) your black plates remain legal at this time ...is to keep them/it in use/current ... unless they change the rules ... again ...

[hayd3n]

i do all my regos online
and my plate will be bolted on with star bolts

[Max Preload]

From my cold, dead hands...

[scumdog]

The only ones that WILL be asked to hand in plates will be those who repeatedly ride/drive while rego on hold.:yes:

[Quasievil]

The only ones that WILL be asked to hand in plates will be those who repeatedly ride/drive while rego on hold.:yes:

That would be me, but I dont repeatedly get caught so no one knows,:facepalm: well except for you but you wont dob me in your a good fucker ......................aint ya ?

[ellipsis]

..all our plates got broken between september and now...they can have them if they like...theres a whole fucking fishcase full...

[carver]

That would be me, but I dont repeatedly get caught so no one knows,:facepalm: well except for you but you wont dob me in your a good fucker ......................aint ya ?

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[sunhuntin]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=720280&topic=5&#p14501192

"Rego on Hold? NZTA want to hold your plates during the exemption.
Latest Classic Car Mag, Greg Price says that this change has gone under the radar. You must hand your plates in to the registrar (in Palmerston North) and when you re-reg your vehicle or Motorcycle you will have to apply for the plate back. The actual wording is "(6) If the registration plate or plates are surrendered, the registrar must on expiry of the exemption, return the surrendered plate or plates, or WHERE THAT IS NOT PRACTICABLE, A DUPLICATE PLATE OR PLATES."
Say good bye to your classic or "Silver on Black" Plates! They won't build a warehouse to store plate, they will scrap them!
This is to answer the situation where NZTA put the price of Motorcycle registration up sky hi. Now many bikers will only reg their bikes for the summer and since the revenue coming into NZTA has dropped out of all predictions they suspect that all the bikers are riding unreg bikes. Well if that is the case they will soon be riding plateless bikes too!"

[neels]

This was posted a while back (can't be arsed searching), so I read the actual wording of the legislation. It went something along the lines of the registrar "may" require the plates to be surrendered when putting rego on hold.

My guess would be that if you get pinged on the road while your rego is on hold, there will be a flag somewhere that will require the plates to be surrendered when it's next put on hold, can't see them getting too carried away with the hassle otherwise.

From memory there was something about storing and returning the plates too.

[ducatilover]

What makes me curious is how you go get a WOF without the plate so you can rego it, also what do you say on your way to get a WOF or to renew rego when you get done with no plate?

[nodrog]

What makes me curious is how you go get a WOF without the plate so you can rego it, also what do you say on your way to get a WOF or to renew rego when you get done with no plate?

you dont need a number plate to get a WOF

[Katman]

you dont need a number plate to get a WOF

Although the registration number does need to be entered in the system when putting the WOF through online.

[ducatilover]

you dont need a number plate to get a WOF
Jolly good, but, you do need a number plate to drive/ride/pilot your vehicle on the road.....:facepalm:

[nodrog]

Although the registration number does need to be entered in the system when putting the WOF through online.

yep


Jolly good, but, you do need a number plate to drive/ride/pilot your vehicle on the road.....:facepalm:

make one out of a weetbix packet if you are that worried about it then.

or you could just go and rego it as class A so you can drive to the WOF place

[oneofsix]

reading back through this page it it appears law will allow them to request you hand in your plates, you may not get the same plates back, you can't get a WOF without a rego number as they need to enter the WOF online against the rego, you can't renew your rego without a WOF.

My conclusion; They are not going to ask for your plates unless they feel they have to because you have been abusing the hold, it just gets too hard with storage etc.
What happens at renewal time if they do ask for your plates to be handed in, you can't be sure you will get the same ones back so what do you put the WOF against? Do you put the WOF against the old plates anyhow and hope NZTA can sort the mess out?

Concern; if you put your rego on hold every winter how long before some bright spark decides you are abusing the system and starts asking for the plates to discourage you?

Concern 2: when the threat of having to hand in the plates doesn't discourage people putting the rego on hold over winter will they up the six month price or bring in a hold handling charge?

[nodrog]

you guys worry too much

[ducatilover]

yep



make one out of a weetbix packet if you are that worried about it then.

or you could just go and rego it as class A so you can drive to the WOF place

How do I go about class A then? As far as I can see a ZZR600 doesn't fit this criteria.

Exempt Class A vehicles are:

vehicles used on a road that is not a public highway, vehicles used on public highways only for inspection, servicing, repair or for a practical driving test. (Please note that you can only drive vehicles without a WoF or CoF on the road for the purpose of bringing the vehicle into compliance, and it must be safe to be operated for that purpose)

pedestrian-controlled goods services vehicles

fully tracked vehicles

vehicles used in a declared road construction zone
vehicles crossing or proceeding along a section of a road when authorisation has been given by a local roading authority under certain conditions
all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) used on a public highway, in moving from the owner's residence to a road that isn't a public highway, where the distance travelled doesn't exceed three kilometres, or in connection with the inspection, servicing or repair of the vehicle.

blah blah

[nodrog]

How do I go about class A then? As far as I can see a ZZR600 doesn't fit this criteria.


you go into the post office and say "im registering it as class A"

[ducatilover]

you go into the post office and say "im registering it as class A"

That easy huh?

[nodrog]

That easy huh?

well its heaps easier than trying to explain it to you :laugh:

[FROSTY]

The legislation was and is aimed squarely at those attempting to get around the law by using their vehicles on the road with the rego on hold.
The ONLY reason that is acceptable for doing so is if you are directly on your way to a WOF test and even then they most liukely will issue the ticket and you have to prove you were indeed directly to a WOF. The only acceptable proof is a WOF check sheet.. The directly to a place of repair story is fine but again you'll need proof - unless its outside normal buisiness hours or the bikes parked somewhere in which case they will say tough luck-pay the ticket.
What will happen is that plate will be loaded in the database and when you go to renew the hold they will either refuse it or will request the plate surrendered.
Please don't shoot the messenger. I move a fair few vehicles with no rego/wof with no issues

[imdying]

The legislation was and is aimed squarely at those attempting to get around the law by using their vehicles on the road with the rego on hold.So easier to use somebody elses plate then? I see there's a car park full of them across the road...

[scumdog]

So easier to use somebody elses plate then? I see there's a car park full of them across the road...

Oh yeah, shitloads of people will be doing THAT!:rolleyes:

[rastuscat]

When will we learn.

The reason they keep making things harder and harder is coz we keep trying to wrought the system. They create silly little rules to deal with the problems caused by the problems they perceive.

The plate-hand-in issue is caused by the boy racer crowd, who drove their cars while on hold a lot earlier than we did. Long before the bikers started protesting the ACC levies. The gubbermint then created a rule to try to combat that, and we all got clobbered by it.

Just watch. One day we'll get so bloody clever at wroughting the system that they'll take away our ability to place a reg on hold at all.

Then most people who do it, genuine users, won't be able to due to the actions of a few who are busy being smart arses.

Harupmh.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've got a plate on hold for a bike that I sold (in bits as a racebike): they can have that.

and I usually put the roadbike on hold for three months or so over winter. its due on 21 June, so I will see wha' 'appen.

[ducatilover]

If I'm going to rego hold on line and I'm a chronic offender of no rego, how do I get the plate in the computer? :angry::innocent:

[jaffaonajappa]

Concern; if you put your rego on hold every winter how long before some bright spark decides you are abusing the system and starts asking for the plates to discourage you?


Umm. Bright Spark? Employed where exactly?

[rastuscat]

If I'm going to rego hold on line and I'm a chronic offender of no rego, how do I get the plate in the computer? :angry::innocent:

1. Shred the plate with a kitchen blender. You'll need a really good blender though, like those sold on the planet Retyequer. These are the only NZTA approved plate-blenders.
2. Place shreddings onto a scanner.
3. Scan shreddings.
4. Remove shreddings from scanner.
5. Cover your cereal in shreddings.
6. Email cereal and shreddings to Steven Joyce.
7. Reconstitute shreddings with a reconstituter you also picked up when buying your Retyequer blender.
8. Replace plate on the bike, keep using it.

Easy solutions always the best.

[Katman]

1. Shred the plate with a kitchen blender. You'll need a really good blender though, like those sold on the planet Retyequer. These are the only NZTA approved plate-blenders.
2. Place shreddings onto a scanner.
3. Scan shreddings.
4. Remove shreddings from scanner.
5. Cover your cereal in shreddings.
6. Email cereal and shreddings to Steven Joyce.
7. Reconstitute shreddings with a reconstituter you also picked up when buying your Retyequer blender.
8. Replace plate on the bike, keep using it.

Easy solutions always the best.

Is that entirely legal?

[Kickaha]

1. Shred the plate with a kitchen blender. You'll need a really good blender though, like those sold on the planet Retyequer. These are the only NZTA approved plate-blenders.
2. Place shreddings onto a scanner.
3. Scan shreddings.
4. Remove shreddings from scanner.
5. Cover your cereal in shreddings.
6. Email cereal and shreddings to Steven Joyce.
7. Reconstitute shreddings with a reconstituter you also picked up when buying your Retyequer blender.
8. Replace plate on the bike, keep using it.

Easy solutions always the best.

Here we have proof that the Police always get the best drugs, maybe they bake them into the doughnuts?

[rastuscat]

Here we have proof that the Police always get the best drugs, maybe they bake them into the doughnuts?

Hmmmmmmmm................donuts.

Okay, okay, send them to the Monster of Popo, Mrs Collins.

[FJRider]

Is that entirely legal?

We're bikers .... legal ??? ... :killingme

[Swoop]

When will we learn.

...we keep trying to wrought the system.

...we'll get so bloody clever at wroughting...
FYI.
Rort (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rort).


Wrought (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wrought).