Knock yourself out

[Maha]

The attitude of some bikers on the road really needs to be addressed.
We witnessed some unbelievable fucked up passing skills (if you can call it that) on SH16 yesterday.
Its no wonder some bikers die out there and on occassion take others with them.
One of our group had a bike overtake him while at the same time his dropkick mate on a ducati decided he was 'fucked in the head' enough to undertake him.
Imagine the brainsqueeze that would give you!
Good skills that our group rider held his line and not get spooked by the whole wank fest.
Passing on blind corners also, what sort of screwed mindset are some bikers riding under?

[Elysium]

The attitude of some bikers on the road really needs to be addressed.
We witnessed some unbelievable fucked up passing skills (if you can call it that) on SH16 yesterday.
Its no wonder some bikers die out there and on occassion take others with them.
One of our group had a bike overtake him while at the same time his dropkick mate on a ducati decided he was 'fucked in the head' enough to undertake him.
Imagine the brainsqueeze that would give you!
Good skills that our group rider held his line and not get spooked by the whole wank fest.
Passing on blind corners also, what sort of screwed mindset are some bikers riding under?

Fucking tell me about. Worse I've seen are biker gangs riding their Harley's and pretty much pushing on comming traffic out of the way as they overtake as a group. :facepalm: Of course who's going to pull them over and tell them off?:shutup:

Though Boxing day races at Wangauni can be real bad as I lost count of the insane overtaking manouvers by bikers passing me. Seems when you get a whole lot of bikers gathered together that some weird mind set develops that makes some bikers feel the need to show off or try to ride faster then everyone else.

[MSTRS]

That's a bit harsh, Mark. To be fair, you weren't seeing things from the same angle, perspective and speed that they were. I'm sure things were well in control and totally safe.
I mean - we're talking bikers here...

[Edbear]

That's a bit harsh, Mark. To be fair, you weren't seeing things from the same angle, perspective and speed that they were. I'm sure things were well in control and totally safe.
I mean - we're talking bikers here...

Probably the same ones who complain about the Cops picking on bikers...

Funny thing is that in 40 years of riding, I've never had any issues with the Police while riding my bike. Strange...

[Maha]

That's a bit harsh, Mark. To be fair, you weren't seeing things from the same angle, perspective and speed that they were. I'm sure things were well in control and totally safe.
I mean - we're talking bikers here...

There have been bikers that have paid the ultimate penalty John after making (what seemed right at the time) turned out to be an error of judgement.
Undertaking another bike is (in my book) not the done thing...period.

[over5tayer]

That's a bit harsh, Mark. To be fair, you weren't seeing things from the same angle, perspective and speed that they were. I'm sure things were well in control and totally safe.
I mean - we're talking bikers here...

it was pretty dodgy... if i had not heard the Ducati i would've pulled left as the guy overtaking me wasnt giving me that much room - im not used to having to check my left mirror before moving within my own lane... but you might be right, im sure the ducati guy had a plan B if i started to move over (e.g. the ditch)

[Toaster]

Probably the same ones who complain about the Cops picking on bikers...

Funny thing is that in 40 years of riding, I've never had any issues with the Police while riding my bike. Strange...

You are flagged as having a really contagious rash on your man-parts. They will never pull you over big boy. :love:

[Toaster]

Undertaking another bike is (in my book) not the done thing...period.

Agreed. It would be like giving your Mrs a wedgie. The consequences can be fatal.

[MSTRS]

Bugger there is no sarcasm smiley...I really thought it was obvious though.

I have witnessed this done to others and had it done to me. It is never good.
Katman is right, when he says there are too many idiots on bikes not doing any favours for the rest of us. And no matter how sensible and careful we are, as long as some bikers behave like these sterling examples, we will all be tarred with the reputation, with all the negatives that go with that.
I despair that it will ever change.

[Deano]

im not used to having to check my left mirror before moving within my own lane...

Ssssshhhhhh -don't admit that, you'll have Katman on your back.

[wingnutt]

yeh, have to agree, when on my first group ride, I guess I was going a little slow or something, cause a rider undertook me, open road speed too, gave me a helluva fright, wasn't expecting it. talk about bloody dangerous!

I now check both mirrors when group riding, and if a rider is looking to pass, I move left it stops any thought of undertaking.

been passed on blind corners too, by riders, when I was driving a cage, not sure what the answer is to stop it, but as sure as eggs, bike riding is a great leveler, and soon or later this behavior will creep up, and bite them on the butt.

[Oblivion]

Bugger there is no sarcasm smiley...I really thought it was obvious though.

I have witnessed this done to others and had it done to me. It is never good.
Katman is right, when he says there are too many idiots on bikes not doing any favours for the rest of us. And no matter how sensible and careful we are, as long as some bikers behave like these sterling examples, we will all be tarred with the reputation, with all the negatives that go with that.
I despair that it will ever change.

I ride like a nana. Does that count for anything? :innocent:

[MSTRS]

I ride like a nana. Does that count for anything? :innocent:

It should.

[Big Dave]

Burn them.

[JimO]

we had a similsr thing a couple of years ago coming back from the Vincent rally, we had a couple of young fellers on 250s with us so were traveling around 110ks when a group of arsehats riding harleys blasted through us, passing on blind corners etc only to see them stopped at the next pub down the road. Have to admit they were pretty badarse with their fresh out of the latest HD catalogue attire

[Maha]

it was pretty dodgy... if i had not heard the Ducati i would've pulled left as the guy overtaking me wasnt giving me that much room - im not used to having to check my left mirror before moving within my own lane... but you might be right, im sure the ducati guy had a plan B if i started to move over (e.g. the ditch)

The seasoned and well travelled bikers right behind you were having the same thoughts..
Where is Knobsville anyway?

[Maha]

yeh, have to agree, when on my first group ride, I guess I was going a little slow or something, cause a rider undertook me, open road speed too, gave me a helluva fright, wasn't expecting it. talk about bloody dangerous!

I now check both mirrors when group riding, and if a rider is looking to pass, I move left it stops any thought of undertaking.

been passed on blind corners too, by riders, when I was driving a cage, not sure what the answer is to stop it, but as sure as eggs, bike riding is a great leveler, and soon or later this behavior will creep up, and bite them on the butt.

First and only time it happened to me, three of us were riding together, passing a three car group. I looked at my mirrors and could the ZX9 coming also. Pulled back into the lane and moved to the left and fuck me, there was the third bike in my left mirror, he had passed all three cars on the inside. The first thing I did when we got to Kopu was I walked up to him and told he in no uncertain terms how I felt about that little trick. I dont give a shit who you are, if you wanna act like a cock, knock yourself out, but not around me.

[Blackshear]

Good on ya overstayer, I hope the Duc wasn't that kind you are awfully fond of :love:

Has anyone here played Road rash?

[MadDuck]

Where is Knobsville anyway?

Must be just past Wellsford I am guessing.

As I watched this unfold in front of me I just remember thinking....did I just see that? I have seen some dumb shit on the roads before but that one goes to the top of the list!

[over5tayer]

Ssssshhhhhh -don't admit that, you'll have Katman on your back.

dont get me wrong, i always check my mirrors (sometimes more than i should) but in a spur of the moment 'should i move left to give this guy some more room', it didnt cross my mind that there would be another guy about to undertake me. Something i found hard about being in a group is that when you look back its hard to decipher between bikes that are part of the group and ones that have just over/under-taken some of the riders and are sitting in the middle of the group.

i think im just not used to being overtaken in general :innocent:

[Ducky848]

Shit, its freaky enough getting undertaken on a racetrack where it can be expected. :blink:

Actually, I'm guilty of doing it once on a group ride to a fellow KB'er a while back when the pace went a bit silly (mid corner, even worse), I've grown up a bit since then...

[pzkpfw]

dont get me wrong, i always check my mirrors (sometimes more than i should) but in a spur of the moment 'should i move left to give this guy some more room', it didnt cross my mind that there would be another guy about to undertake me. Something i found hard about being in a group is that when you look back its hard to decipher between bikes that are part of the group and ones that have just over/under-taken some of the riders and are sitting in the middle of the group.

i think im just not used to being overtaken in general :innocent:

It's (part of) the same reason we should not ride in the left shoulder of the road (also, it's illegal). I see a few bikes do that in the morning, though, instead of lane splitting. Any car could suddenly decide to dive in there to asnwer a phone call or whatever.

It's all well and good to think were all perfect (on bike or in car) and we'll check our mirrors perfectly every time, but we're not. And the plain fact is, you just don't expect someone on your left in some situations.

(Is this also why on a British motorway you can't use the left lane to pass someone in the right lane?)

[Mom]

I watched it all unfold ahead of me, I was astounded that fellow riders could treat others with the total disregard this lot did. Not only that, the way they dogged the riders in front of them had to be seen to be believed. Very intimidating and likely to produce a panic reaction from the bike infront.

There was no mistaking what our group was all about, there were pink jackets and a 250 cc machine amongst us. This lot came up to us at a hell o f a rate of knots and did not look like slowing for anything. There are lots of easy overtake places on SH16, you dont have endanger your own and others lives showing everyone how small your penis is.

[Blackshear]

a 250 cc machine amongst us.

Some people have to be put in their place.

Jokes aside, must just be a timely reminder that you are invisible.
That, and fucking bikers are a pain in the ass...

[Maha]

Some people have to be put in their place.

Jokes aside, must just be a timely reminder that you are invisible.
That, and fucking bikers are a pain in the ass...

Another thing happened yesterday which involved a car...
This woman was approaching me in the opposite lane, she also had two cyclists to contend with in her lane, so she opted to cross the center line into my lane to avoid or pass the cyclists. They were in her way, not mine. I wondered what she would have done if I driving a 40 ton logging truck?...

[hellokitty]

I watched it all unfold ahead of me, I was astounded that fellow riders could treat others with the total disregard this lot did. Not only that, the way they dogged the riders in front of them had to be seen to be believed. Very intimidating and likely to produce a panic reaction from the bike infront.

There was no mistaking what our group was all about, there were pink jackets and a 250 cc machine amongst us. This lot came up to us at a hell o f a rate of knots and did not look like slowing for anything. There are lots of easy overtake places on SH16, you dont have endanger your own and others lives showing everyone how small your penis is.

I was constantly checking my mirrors and was shocked how quickly these fucktards were on top of us. I got the wobbles a bit after that, made me quite unsettled and then of course I got that dam wasp in my visor.
Maybe they didn't see me? I know hot pink is a very subtle colour :facepalm:

[Spearfish]

at least 10 characters.

[blackdog]

Another thing happened yesterday which involved a car...
This woman was approaching me in the opposite lane, she also had two cyclists to contend with in her lane, so she opted to cross the center line into my lane to avoid or pass the cyclists. They were in her way, not mine. I wondered what she would have done if I driving a 40 ton logging truck?...

Well, my 20 tons of truck was no deterrent to people completely failing to give way to me today. twice. on the second occasion if i had been fully loaded i would have had a nice new bmw hood ornament.

[blackdog]

And here is an unwelcome addition to my previous post. This afternoon I almost caused a bike accident, but it was totally the rider at fault.

To the gentleman riding his black BMW, and the cruiser and 'L' plater following him I have the following advice. DO NOT under ANY circumstances, pass traffic on the inside (undertake).

A queue of cars was forming down the esplanade in Petone around 4.30 this afternoon. Being the considerate driver I am, I flashed a driver into the traffic from a side street. This was while the road was a single lane only. At the same time, unbeknownst to me, I was about to be undertaken by the aforementioned riders. The driver pulling out did not see you, and by the smoke from your locked rear wheel I assume you didn't see him either.

If you had been passing traffic on the right-hand side, I would have seen you, and moved over for you to pass legally. If someone was going to pull into your path I would have indicated right to warn you.

I don't know how to stress this enough. Passing a line of traffic on the inside is NEVER acceptable.

You have also taught the young 'L' plater following you a very bad habit. I hope he lives long enough to graduate to the next stage of his license.

As an aside, in exactly the same circumstances, a rider with a 2 day old R1 wrote it off in the Wairarapa when I was working at the bike shop. Screaming up the inside of stalled traffic, and a courteous driver let someone out of a driveway directly into his path. This accident was totally preventable and completely the riders fault, as it would have been if Mr Beemer had crashed today.

THINK please people.

[yachtie10]

And here is an unwelcome addition to my previous post. This afternoon I almost caused a bike accident, but it was totally the rider at fault.

To the gentleman riding his black BMW, and the cruiser and 'L' plater following him I have the following advice. DO NOT under ANY circumstances, pass traffic on the inside (undertake).

A queue of cars was forming down the esplanade in Petone around 4.30 this afternoon. Being the considerate driver I am, I flashed a driver into the traffic from a side street. This was while the road was a single lane only. At the same time, unbeknownst to me, I was about to be undertaken by the aforementioned riders. The driver pulling out did not see you, and by the smoke from your locked rear wheel I assume you didn't see him either.

If you had been passing traffic on the right-hand side, I would have seen you, and moved over for you to pass legally. If someone was going to pull into your path I would have indicated right to warn you.

I don't know how to stress this enough. Passing a line of traffic on the inside is NEVER acceptable.

You have also taught the young 'L' plater following you a very bad habit. I hope he lives long enough to graduate to the next stage of his license.

As an aside, in exactly the same circumstances, a rider with a 2 day old R1 wrote it off in the Wairarapa when I was working at the bike shop. Screaming up the inside of stalled traffic, and a courteous driver let someone out of a driveway directly into his path. This accident was totally preventable and completely the riders fault, as it would have been if Mr Beemer had crashed today.

THINK please people.

while I appreciate your opinion

If a cyclist was coming up undertaking you would you notice and would you still flash traffic through.
The car that moved through on your flashing headlights still has to give way to all oncoming traffic or am I missing something

[blackdog]

while I appreciate your opinion

If a cyclist was coming up undertaking you would you notice and would you still flash traffic through.
The car that moved through on your flashing headlights still has to give way to all oncoming traffic or am I missing something

Actually, it would be just as illegal for a pushbike to be over(under)taking in the same fashion.

[yachtie10]

Actually, it would be just as illegal for a pushbike to be over(under)taking in the same fashion.

I must have missed this point I thought you could undertake if the traffic is stopped

But anyway my point is still valid. I dont know why people think that if someone is doing something illegal on the road and a accident happens that it is is automatically there fault.

I know If I waved through traffic in that fashion and a kid on pushbike was killed because I didnt see it I would feel pretty guilty (although it wouldnt legally be my fault)

[blackdog]

I must have missed this point I thought you could undertake if the traffic is stopped


You are joking, aren't you? :facepalm:

[sil3nt]

As a cyclist i undertake cars all the time. Never on a motorcycle. If someone in a line of stationary cars waves someone through i stop and let them through. Undertaking on a bicycle is not illegal. Do you really expect a cyclist to stop at the end of a long queue and wait for the cars to start moving? :lol:

[danchop]

i think group riding has become a bit gay actually,i even see women ride in some group rides too now

[blackdog]

As a cyclist i undertake cars all the time. Never on a motorcycle. If someone in a line of stationary cars waves someone through i stop and let them through. Undertaking on a bicycle is not illegal. Do you really expect a cyclist to stop at the end of a long queue and wait for the cars to start moving? :lol:

I think you will find it is, and they should be passing on the right hand side like any other vehicle. The only exception is where there is a cycle lane.

This, of course doesn't happen in the real world.

(I am happy to be proved wrong if that is the case.)

[98tls]

What gets me is the likes of "group rides" and "Poker runs" are often organised by so called "Pillars of the motorcycle community" both local and nationwide for some good cause or another who before setting off wank on about "its not a race blah blah blah "but after the second pub (jesus that's only 2 pints) the dickheads emerge,generally the recipe involves lashings of 1200 Sports resplendent with booze hag on the back,chuck in a trike or 2 not forgetting the 9 year old on the back (you could be forgiven for thinking hes the one at the helm) and bingo its disaster at every blind corner,or in layman's terms pull hard to the left so the cock on the Sporty is able to get out of the way of oncoming car.

[blackdog]

And actually, I never said that traffic was stationary only that a queue was forming.

Traffic was still moving, just slowly.

[raftn]

The attitude of some bikers on the road really needs to be addressed.
We witnessed some unbelievable fucked up passing skills (if you can call it that) on SH16 yesterday.
Its no wonder some bikers die out there and on occassion take others with them.
One of our group had a bike overtake him while at the same time his dropkick mate on a ducati decided he was 'fucked in the head' enough to undertake him.
Imagine the brainsqueeze that would give you!
Good skills that our group rider held his line and not get spooked by the whole wank fest.
Passing on blind corners also, what sort of screwed mindset are some bikers riding under?

I have of late seen some absolute crap riding and driving, didnt post anything about it as it is just more winging, but I have to agree with you, we are sitting here winging about ACC cost, yet in front of our very eyes are the reasons why. Some bikers are embarressing us all, I am trying to be a safer and better rider, and shit like this really pisses me off, ...well said Mark, and about time we as bikers confront the very riders that are doing us no favours.

[Ducky848]

I think you will find it is, and they should be passing on the right hand side like any other vehicle. The only exception is where there is a cycle lane.

This, of course doesn't happen in the real world.

(I am happy to be proved wrong if that is the case.)

People pass right turning stationary and near stationary vehicles on the left all the time, its not illegal but you better be alert when you go about it.

I was found at fault when a line of near stationary oncoming traffic created a gap for me to turn right into a sidestreet and I was hit head on by car undertaking the line of traffic.
Police stated the rule was simple: All right turning traffic shall give way to straight ahead traffic.

[hedgier1]

Fuk where is Skidmark when ya need him.....He could tell you how and where to underpass fellow bikers. He has it down to a tea. Hahahaha

[MSTRS]

I must have missed this point I thought you could undertake if the traffic is stopped

But anyway my point is still valid. I dont know why people think that if someone is doing something illegal on the road and a accident happens that it is is automatically there fault.

I know If I waved through traffic in that fashion and a kid on pushbike was killed because I didnt see it I would feel pretty guilty (although it wouldnt legally be my fault)


You are joking, aren't you? :facepalm:


I think you will find it is, and they should be passing on the right hand side like any other vehicle. The only exception is where there is a cycle lane.

This, of course doesn't happen in the real world.

(I am happy to be proved wrong if that is the case.)

Check your road code...
It is legal to pass stationary traffic within their same lane and on their left.


And actually, I never said that traffic was stationary only that a queue was forming.

Traffic was still moving, just slowly.

Then it is illegal.

The one exception is if the vehicle being undertaken is indicating to turn right.

Of course, the onus is always on the one doing the passing to ensure it is a safe manoeuvre

[Dschubba]

while I appreciate your opinion

If a cyclist was coming up undertaking you would you notice and would you still flash traffic through.
The car that moved through on your flashing headlights still has to give way to all oncoming traffic or am I missing something

Haha, I had cycled round that Akatarawa loop, passing a few cars that were banked up at the Waikanae lights on the inside and got taken out in exactly this manner.

So yeah, prolly not a good way to pass cars, even on a pushbike!

[Maha]

I have of late seen some absolute crap riding and driving, didnt post anything about it as it is just more winging, but I have to agree with you, we are sitting here winging about ACC cost, yet in front of our very eyes are the reasons why. Some bikers are embarressing us all, I am trying to be a safer and better rider, and shit like this really pisses me off, ...well said Mark, and about time we as bikers confront the very riders that are doing us no favours.

Yes Roger, I would hate to turn into some whinging wine bag (some would say too late :innocent:)....but it crossed my mind, how would the ducati owner get on with a metal spike in his rear tyre wall?...
I always read what bikers would like to do to car drivers that piss them off, cuts both way in the real world.

[Katman]

I would hate to turn into some whinging wine bag

It's not so bad.

[blackdog]

Check your road code...
It is legal to pass stationary traffic within their same lane and on their left.




I stand corrected.

Still not the wisest move considering, legal or not, it's damn risky.

[MSTRS]

I stand corrected.

Still not the wisest move considering, legal or not, it's damn risky.

Correct. Be very careful if attempting this manoeuvre. And remember - if the traffic starts to move, you are now breaking the law.

[Katman]

*Back on topic*........

The number of motorcyclists who have a complete disregard for the safety or comfort of their fellows bikers sure makes a mockery of the Brotherhood Theory.

Imagine how they treat all other road users.

[BMWST?]

*Back on topic*........

The number of motorcyclists who have a complete disregard for the safety or comfort of their fellows bikers sure makes a mockery of the Brotherhood Theory.

Imagine how they treat all other road users.
to these guys every other vehicle on the road is a mobile chicane

[Cracker]

There is something about a pack of scratched up Jappers riden by bulging eyed pilots that makes the shiney Ducatis very well behaved.

[Berries]

..........makes a mockery of the Brotherhood Theory.
Out of interest, what is the brotherhood theory ?

I saw the term "fellow bikers" on here the other day while reading another whinge. All sorts ride bikes, like all sorts drive cars. I've never felt as if I have a special connection with someone just because they ride a bike.

I might pull over if a rider has obviously broken down, I might even give a nod if I'm in a good mood, but I'm fucked if I am sharing tea and biscuits with someone just because of their mode of transport.

Unless she's hot, obviously.

[Maha]

Out of interest, what is the brotherhood theory ?

I saw the term "fellow bikers" on here the other day while reading another whinge. All sorts ride bikes, like all sorts drive cars. I've never felt as if I have a special connection with someone just because they ride a bike.

I might pull over if a rider has obviously broken down, I might even give a nod if I'm in a good mood, but I'm fucked if I am sharing tea and biscuits with someone just because of their mode of transport.

Unless she's hot, obviously.

I 100% agree.
All that brotherhood/Fellow biker crap is a crock.
I know people and have friends that also own and ride bikes. That where it stops.
Brotherhood (or boy power) is one step away from a pink tutu to an annual Madi-Gras

[shafty]

Good points made Guys and Girls, unfortunately, motorcycling along with some other past times (Hot Rods etc etc) attract a "Wanker Element" .

In addition to a great point made previously about Poker Runs where the above-mentioned Wanker (Also sometimes referred to as a Dickhead) mixes a few pints with his one brain cell, then gets all excited when climbing on his bike, feels the need to "live up"to his pub stories etc etc...you can see the cycle.

Incidentally, you can watch some similiarly brained riders/drivers leaving motor racing events all hyped up, but back to the story.

I got carved up thru the Coromandel loop a while back - I have no problem with being passed and will always pull over to encourage being passed if safe to do so etc ....and would also rather allow a faster Rider thru as a courtesy, or a Dickhead thru rather than have them get too close/undercut/squeeze me out etc etc

In this case it was 2 'patched' Riders, on American Iron pushing hard, just making it around corners.

It later occurred to me they may be P users, - quite feasible when you do the numbers and consider their access to it.

[The Stranger]

You are joking, aren't you? :facepalm:

From the road code.

Passing on the left
You can only pass on the left when:

•there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line and you are able to pass safely by using the left-hand lane
•you are directed to by a police officer
•the vehicle you are passing:
◦has stopped, or
◦is signalling a right turn, or
◦is turning right.

[Katman]

Incidentally, you can watch some similiarly brained riders/drivers leaving motor racing events all hyped up


Ain't that the truth!

[Voltaire]

Good points made Guys and Girls, unfortunately, motorcycling along with some other past times (Hot Rods etc etc) attract a "Wanker Element" .

In addition to a great point made previously about Poker Runs where the above-mentioned Wanker (Also sometimes referred to as a Dickhead) mixes a few pints with his one brain cell, then gets all excited when climbing on his bike, feels the need to "live up"to his pub stories etc etc...you can see the cycle.

Incidentally, you can watch some similiarly brained riders/drivers leaving motor racing events all hyped up, but back to the story.

I got carved up thru the Coromandel loop a while back - I have no problem with being passed and will always pull over to encourage being passed if safe to do so etc ....and would also rather allow a faster Rider thru as a courtesy, or a Dickhead thru rather than have them get too close/undercut/squeeze me out etc etc

In this case it was 2 'patched' Riders, on American Iron pushing hard, just making it around corners.

It later occurred to me they may be P users, - quite feasible when you do the numbers and consider their access to it.

Thats a lot of typing...as in Stereotyping..... My former Boss owns several hot rods and some harley and goes on poker runs.....and is a bit of dick.....I don't think he does P though..... latte with soy milk but not P...:innocent:

[blackdog]

From the road code.

Passing on the left
You can only pass on the left when:

•there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line and you are able to pass safely by using the left-hand lane
•you are directed to by a police officer
•the vehicle (singular) you are passing:
◦has stopped, or
◦is signalling a right turn, or
◦is turning right.

Cheers

I guess this is where interpretations and grey areas come into it.

To me this describes passing a single broken down vehicle, or a service vehicle. Not a row at traffic lights, rush hour or say at a roadworks lollipop.

[marie_speeds]

one step away from a pink tutu to an annual Madi-Gras

Next group ride perhaps?

[hellokitty]

I 100% agree.
All that brotherhood/Fellow biker crap is a crock.
I know people and have friends that also own and ride bikes. That where it stops.
Brotherhood (or boy power) is one step away from a pink tutu to an annual Madi-Gras


Next group ride perhaps?

Woooohooo :woohoo: getting the pink tutu out of the closet......

[Mom]

Next group ride perhaps?


Woooohooo :woohoo: getting the pink tutu out of the closet......

I am rather handy with a sewing machine, the emporium is a boundless source of "stuff". Pink tutus sound like fun. I have never seen maha in pink :love:

[hellokitty]

I am rather handy with a sewing machine, the emporium is a boundless source of "stuff". Pink tutus sound like fun. I have never seen maha in pink :love:

I have one that is reversable - black on one side and hot pink on the other - I think I will wear it to the Pink ribbon Ride this year... :blink: should look pretty with my pink helmet mohawk.

[Mom]

I have one that is reversable - black on one side and hot pink on the other - I think I will wear it to the Pink ribbon Ride this year... :blink: should look pretty with my pink helmet mohawk.

Best I start designing our outfits for next year too :yes:

[Toaster]

I am rather handy with a sewing machine

I am rather handy with a gun, but that won't help you much.

Looking forward to seeing your bike sometime soon. Am taking leave late May early June for a month. I am sure there will be a fine day or two in there to catch up!

[MadDuck]

I am rather handy with a gun, but that won't help you much......

Oh I dont know. See Maha in a Pink tutu and you may want to use that gun....not sure who on though :shit:

[Maha]

I have never seen maha in pink :love:

Yes you have....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/91739-Back-then

[Maha]

Oh I dont know. See Maha in a Pink tutu and you may want to use that gun....not sure who on though :shit:

The minds eye?>>>>:blip:

[The Stranger]

Cheers

I guess this is where interpretations and grey areas come into it.


Singular!
FFS, are you really that simple?
Your comments serve more to demonstrate why certain people like yourself who are obviously incapable of making a reasoned interpretation of the law should not be allowed on the road rather than any grey area.

[Tony W]

OMG ! Another whinge thread.

Sell the bike and drive, you self-righteous, whingeing pussy. :violin:

Have you actually got anything POSITIVE to say about motorcycling ?

[blackdog]

Singular!
FFS, are you really that simple?
Your comments serve more to demonstrate why certain people like yourself who are obviously incapable of making a reasoned interpretation of the law should not be allowed on the road rather than any grey area.

Back the truck up there mate. The law is not about interpretation, it is black and white. The road code however, is only a guideline and can be easily misinterpreted.

I am not at all simple, and was indicating that grey areas may have been interpreted by others.

As described in the post you have clipped, there are no grey areas for me. Do you have a different take on the wording to the one I described? If so let's hear it.

The only other situation where I think the exact wording would apply, is if there is a single car stopped at a red light. In my opinion this is still unsafe. Passing up the left is unacceptable in any instance with the exception of passing right turning traffic, or passing the other examples I have already given (broken down car/accident/service vehicle) and extremely carefully on those occasions to boot.

[Mom]

Yes you have....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/91739-Back-then

You were young gals eye candy back then :drool:

I am talking about big grown up Maha :shutup:

Imagining him in pink now, and what he might do :yes: :shit: :shutup: :facepalm: :love: :love:

[Edbear]

You were young gals eye candy back then :drool:

I am talking about big grown up Maha :shutup:

Imagining him in pink now, and what he might do :yes: :shit: :shutup: :facepalm: :love: :love:

Must...resist... :shutup:

[The Stranger]

Back the truck up there mate. The law is not about interpretation and is black and white. The road code however, is only a guideline and can be easily misinterpreted.

I am not at all simple, and was indicating that grey areas may have been interpreted by others.

As described in the post you have clipped, there are no grey areas for me. Do you have a different take on the wording to the one I described? If so let's hear it.

The only other situation where I think the exact wording would apply, is if there is a single car stopped at a red light. In my opinion this is still unsafe. Passing up the left is unacceptable in any instance with the exception of passing right turning traffic, or passing the other examples I have already given (broken down car/accident/service vehicle).

Woooosh - yep right over your head.
I know I shouldn't, but here goes.
You inserted the "singular" reference, without which it (the law) is quite clear (and co-incidentally I am sure the way the law intends) so you have sought to both create the grey area and use it's creation as proof that it can be grey.

Now the question is were you a) being mischievous or b) a numpty. I'm going to rule out being smart as clearly it wasn't.
Given it was pretty disingenuous I would tend to bet against a) - only really leaves b).

And they let you drive a 20 ton truck?:gob:

[blackdog]

Woooosh - yep right over your head.
I know I shouldn't, but here goes.
You inserted the "singular" reference, without which it (the law) is quite clear (and co-incidentally I am sure the way the law intends) so you have sought to both create the grey area and use it's creation as proof that it can be grey.

Now the question is were you a) being mischievous or b) a numpty. I'm going to rule out being smart as clearly it wasn't.
Given it was pretty disingenuous I would tend to bet against a) - only really leaves b).

And they let you drive a 20 ton truck?:gob:

'Vehicle' is already singular

I inserted it to stress for others reading the thread who may have believed it was ok to pass multiple vehicles in this manner.

I think it might be you who has bitten the wrong end of the stick. Given your almost illegible posts, I am trying hard to not believe that as a 'mentor' you are advocating passing on the left.

(and they let me drive substantially more than 20 tonnes, just happens that was what I was driving at the time).


btw:- you are talking about 'the law' yet quoting the road code.

(That said, I won't be biting again. Crawl back under yer bridge mate)

[MSTRS]

'Vehicle' is already singular


You choose to interpret the law that way. Doesn't mean you are right. That is why issues around lanesplitting/filtering are known as a grey area.

FWIW - one could imply that if passing a single vehicle on its left is quite legal, then to pass the next vehicle ahead is still passing a single vehicle. You just happen to be passing a series of single vehicles. But if there are already 2 vehicles side by side in the same lane, then you couldn't pass them on their left.
See what I mean about 'grey'?

[Fatt Max]

Out of interest, what is the brotherhood theory ?

I saw the term "fellow bikers" on here the other day while reading another whinge. All sorts ride bikes, like all sorts drive cars. I've never felt as if I have a special connection with someone just because they ride a bike.

I might pull over if a rider has obviously broken down, I might even give a nod if I'm in a good mood, but I'm fucked if I am sharing tea and biscuits with someone just because of their mode of transport.

Unless she's hot, obviously.

Are you fat..?

[Berries]

Are you fat..?
I'm working on it with my pie and lard diet, but no.

Are you ?

[shafty]

Thats a lot of typing...as in Stereotyping..... My former Boss owns several hot rods and some harley and goes on poker runs.....and is a bit of dick.....I don't think he does P though..... latte with soy milk but not P...:innocent:

I hear what you are saying Voltaire - I'm not saying 100% of people in these pastimes - rather, I am saying they often make up an element, a small element.....

With an estimated 6% of the population aged between 13 - 45 in 2004 (116,000 people) having used Meth, we've got to expect some people to ride while under the influence......

[Brett]

Bugger there is no sarcasm smiley...I really thought it was obvious though.

I have witnessed this done to others and had it done to me. It is never good.
Katman is right, when he says there are too many idiots on bikes not doing any favours for the rest of us. And no matter how sensible and careful we are, as long as some bikers behave like these sterling examples, we will all be tarred with the reputation, with all the negatives that go with that.
I despair that it will ever change.

I got ya sarcasm :)

[skippa1]

Personally, I find group riding a bit gay(group riding says it all really), just like that whole "fellow bikers/brotherhood" yarn. You may find that you are being over taken because you are riding so damn slow youre pissing off others?. More than once I have got to a nice set of corners only to get stuck behind a "group" ride that is taking 65km corners at 55km/h.....seriously, somtimes its worse than camper vans.....

[MSTRS]

And you think that's a good reason to pressure others by tailgating? Or to overtake on the inside? Or to barrel round the outside on blind corners?
:facepalm:

[skippa1]

And you think that's a good reason to pressure others by tailgating? Or to overtake on the inside? Or to barrel round the outside on blind corners?
:facepalm:

And you think its ok to slow everyone up and then moan because they overtake you???:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::shutup:

[MSTRS]

And you think its ok to slow everyone up and then moan because they overtake you???:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::shutup:

Where did I say it was OK to slow others up?
I agree it can be frustrating to be caught behind someone going much slower than you and/or is legal...
But it's not OK to ride like a cock by tailgating or cutting them off left or right.
It's not the overtaking - it is how it's done that is the problem.

[MadDuck]

And you think its ok to slow everyone up and then moan because they overtake you

The original incident that caused the discussion was about being "under" taken and over taken at the same time......doing the legal open road speed limit.

Yes it is OK to moan about such stupid behaviour by a motorcyclst doing such an idiotic thing.

[skippa1]

The original incident that caused the discussion was about being "under" taken and over taken at the same time......doing the legal open road speed limit.

Yes it is OK to moan about such stupid behaviour by a motorcyclst doing such an idiotic thing.

I dont condone undertaking either, I am probably guilty of "tailgating" so that I can maximise available road for a quick overtake on some slow pokes. I dont make excuse for that though, I'm going to get out and back asap.....

[Camshaft]

Probably the same ones who complain about the Cops picking on bikers...

Funny thing is that in 40 years of riding, I've never had any issues with the Police while riding my bike. Strange...

some people do get lucky tho, work mate drives home from work on thursdays half cut, every thursday without fail for 20 years, never been caught.

maybe you are 100% law abiding (unlikely) or maybe you just pick your moments well to break the law

[Conquiztador]

If I work really hard and eat my Weetbix, can I become perfect as you?? :not:

[Edbear]

some people do get lucky tho, work mate drives home from work on thursdays half cut, every thursday without fail for 20 years, never been caught.

maybe you are 100% law abiding (unlikely) or maybe you just pick your moments well to break the law

:innocent:...


If I work really hard and eat my Weetbix, can I become perfect as you?? :not:

Oh, I dunno, perfection like me is hard to duplicate.... :yes:

[paulmac]

"It's not the overtaking - it is how it's done that is the problem."

Solid f**kin gold !!

[MSTRS]

Oh, I dunno, perfection like me is hard to duplicate.... :yes:

Edbear - it's not like you to be so modest...:innocent:

[Edbear]

Edbear - it's not like you to be so modest...:innocent:

Better not to get the poor chaps hopes up too high, eh..? :yes:

If I do have one fault it is modesty, I really should be more self-aware. Sometimes I simply forget how wonderfull I really am.. :bye:

[rocketman1]

I agree that many bikers get into groups, their riding manners go out window, or should I say the exhaust.
Its pack mentality, happens all the time.
..........I must keep up with my mates, I cant be left behind, I cant let my mate overtake me because my bikes better, and if he overtakes me then I guess hes a better rider.........all that competitive stuff.
I know because I have been in that position and have seen my normally placid riding buddies riding like idiots as soon as they get in a big group.
You really have to have common sense and be your own person to be able to say, f--- it I am riding at my pace, not theirs, and stick to your "mind frame"
Some of your mates may not talk to you at the next stop, because they think your a sensible slow wanker, hey, but your still alive, and have probably seen some of the views along the way, not just the white line.
A few months back I was passed on my BMW by 30-40 Harley riders ( not picking on the Harley guys), but to me some of them group were sensible riders others were just wankers overtaking on blind corners and all. I could see the pack mentality thing going on. I had to pinch my self from speeding up and passing some of them. I too have ridden with sports bike riders and seen the same stupid behavior going on.

I urge pack riders to do their OWN THING on an outing, (very hard to do, I know)
But if you try real hard you can do it, you may even influence some others in the group to slow down and help them see another day of riding, "and seeing" this beautiful country we call NZ..

[MSTRS]

... pack mentality...

As distinct from a group ride. There is a big difference.
But you are right...some groups (not all) turn into packs, and that's when the trouble starts.