Three Strikes Protest Run, 5 May

[oneofsix]

Not just a dollar mate, that was fuckin brilliant and bang on the money.
Inspirational even.

Now that's $0.02

:yes:

Agreed but theseekerfinds has raised a point for MAG, BRONZ and all the other groups to answer.

How do we get the message to the right people to get some action?

This is a once in triannual opportunity, being election year, to let the politicians know the this community with all its factions isn't a push over and easy money supply. Politicians, especially in election year, respond to pressure groups. As Stoney keeps reminding us he organised the Bikhoi before BRONZ Wgtn was resurrected and at short notice but he did have a good subject to focus on. This year we need a similar ride but it doesn't have to be as big, just a reminder we are still here.
As stated many posts ago I'm not am organiser, sorry.
well that's my $0.02

Quote that theseekerfinds post reminded me of but not sure where from;
"Those also serve who just stand and wait."

[bogan]

All good thoughts theseekerfinds, I'm just quoting onofsix cos he summarized it well.


How do we get the message to the right people to get some action?

I think before that, we need to figure out what the right message is, and who the right people are.

Our principal/plan etc is to provide/collaborate members with the resources to get action done. This is also a point of difference from the other organizations. In my mind, there's no reason why a thinker can't suggest a good idea, have a planner implement the plan, some managers sort routes/venues, some doers to ride lead and TEC etc, and a bunch of supporters to join in. In practice, I'm not sure there are enough of those types of people around to pull it off.

[StoneY]

In practice, I'm not sure there are enough of those types of people around to pull it off.

And there lies the kicker Bogan.

Its more than just the 'enough type of people around' factor, because, simply put....the type of people who have these skills also have a job, career, mortgage, bikes to maintain and ride, kids in school, mum in hospital.............. they have a life in other words and want to keep it at the quality they enjoy, and many just cant make those sacrifices in reality. Especially not mid week.

Not many people know this but the amount of work I put into BIKEOI cost me big time at many personal levels, despite how many people also helped with the load.
It was largely the catalyst to ending my marriage (was already in trouble with that but it definitely lead to the final straw landing on a shaky camel)
While my employer supported what we were doing, the amount of time I spent on that event strained the workplace relationship beyond repair.

A few of my fellow coordinators also felt these strains in their personal worlds as well. I tip my hat to all of them for again picking up and sharing the load for the Feb 2010 event, knowing what we had already paid in October/November 09.

honestly... had I known what that event would cost me I may never have followed through on it as passionately as I did.

It's never as simple as saying 'lets go protest' and to get the sort of traction we look for on these issue's.
It takes a massive amount of coordination, time, publicity, and people that have the ability to work together and make it happen.
You also need ONE issue, (yep just ONE) and it needs to be one that gets everyone REAL pissed off, like a potential 500$ raise in the cost of riding your bike.......

Never an easy task my friend.

I still say, kudos to you guys for making the attempt but you should have stuck to only one point and the ACC issue is long dead now as far as our energy goes.......

[Eyegasm]

as a society (of riders) I believe some of us have the right to sit back while others do "all the work"

Snip

I've raved on enough and need a break :rockon:

Dude... Are you sure you are from the nui?
Obviously schooled outside of the valley!

[DEVVIL]

http://www.coldduckrally.com/Zumwohl.aspx:yes:

[flyingcrocodile46]

http://www.coldduckrally.com/Zumwohl.aspx:yes:


Wow! I'm glad I read through to the end of the new posts. I was going to respond to theseekerfinds excellent post to tell him that along with all the dreamer, schemer, planner, spanner and talk up a storm type people that he described... there is another kind of people (much, much rarer than the other types), and that is........... 'The quiet achiever type person'. The type of person that would rather just get on with the job than debate it to death while working up the courage & support believed to be needed.


I love it. This will be the best $5 I have invested in a loooong time.

Hats off to you

[bogan]

Wow! I'm glad I read through to the end of the new posts. I was going to respond to theseekerfinds excellent post to tell him that along with all the dreamer, schemer, planner, spanner and talk up a storm type people that he described... there is another kind of people (much, much rarer than the other types), and that is........... 'The quiet achiever type person'. The type of person that would rather just get on with the job than debate it to death while working up the courage & support believed to be needed.

Which is fine if you don't need support, otherwise...

also, maybe they only appear rare as they don't make a lot of noise :bleh:

[flyingcrocodile46]

maybe they only appear rare as they don't make a lot of noise :bleh:

and get drowned out by the talkers who are eagerly seeking an audience for their load/message :yes:

[reofix]

Bloody conspiracy theory nonsense... stop crashing your fuckin bikes in "rider lost control "incidents... stop lying in hospital beds for months at thousands an hour.. stop all the bills landing at the feet of other taxpayers and you wont get smacked with user pays type levies... sometimes bikers sound like bleeting bloody teachers:angry:

[theseekerfinds]

Bloody conspiracy theory nonsense... stop crashing your fuckin bikes in "rider lost control "incidents... stop lying in hospital beds for months at thousands an hour.. stop all the bills landing at the feet of other taxpayers and you wont get smacked with user pays type levies... sometimes bikers sound like bleeting bloody teachers:angry:

whoa there.. let's leave teachers out of this please..

[Smifffy]

Bloody conspiracy theory nonsense... stop crashing your fuckin bikes in "rider lost control "incidents... stop lying in hospital beds for months at thousands an hour.. stop all the bills landing at the feet of other taxpayers and you wont get smacked with user pays type levies... sometimes bikers sound like bleeting bloody teachers:angry:

The thing is I haven't done any of those things. There are plenty of other groups that also do those things and pay no extra levies or charges at all.

[StoneY]

The thing is I haven't done any of those things. There are plenty of other groups that also do those things and pay no extra levies or charges at all.

For once I totally agree with the entire content of your post :yes:

[oneofsix]

The thing is I haven't done any of those things. There are plenty of other groups that also do those things and pay no extra levies or charges at all.

+1 Some of those in other activities costing ACC more money than motorcyclists aren't paying any levies.

[StoneY]

+1 Some of those in other activities costing ACC more money than motorcyclists aren't paying any levies.

Yep. I get quietly ignored as if I never spoke when I raise this issue at certain meetings.

[oneofsix]

Yep. I get quietly ignored as if I never spoke when I raise this issue at certain meetings.

:gob:I am so not surprised. :yes: But this is why the bikers need to clean up their act type statements get jumped on on KB. We know cleaning up our act is part of the solution but if we are going to pay the levies then we also want all that can be done to make the environment we are operating in saver, well at least those of us operating reasonably sanely on public roads (no one is always totally sane).
You just keep on raising the point :Wink:

[Maha]

:gob:I am so not surprised. :yes: But this is why the bikers need to clean up their act type statements get jumped on on KB. We know cleaning up our act is part of the solution but if we are going to pay the levies then we also want all that can be done to make the environment we are operating in saver, well at least those of us operating reasonably sanely on public roads (no one is always totally sane).
You just keep on raising the point :Wink:

The reality is....achieving that will be akin to getting every smoker in NZ to quit. One mans persistant banter on this very subject has produced absolutely squat over the last how many years?

[Katman]

The reality is....achieving that will be akin to getting every smoker in NZ to quit. One mans persistant banter on this very subject has produced absolutely squat over the last how many years?

Actually, the reality is that neither you nor I have any way of quantifying what my efforts may have produced over the years.

[oneofsix]

Either I misunderstood what StoneY was saying :drinkup: or Maha and Katman have misunderstood the conversation with StoneY I was replying to. Guess it will depend on if you believe Katman can ever be wrong.

[StoneY]

Either I misunderstood what StoneY was saying :drinkup: or Maha and Katman have misunderstood the conversation with StoneY I was replying to. Guess it will depend on if you believe Katman can ever be wrong.

Yeah bro its our fault though we went off topic ;)

[Maha]

Its quite probable Steve that, there are approx 90,000 motorcyclist that have no idea who you are or what you have to say so that has to a quatifiable amount?
Approx 3-4,000 active users on here, a percentage of them (those who voted for you on your recent poll) is a very small amount by comparison surely you would agree?...another quantifiable amount.
You are just not reaching the greater target on this forum.

[Katman]

Its quite probable Steve that, there are approx 90,000 motorcyclist that have no idea who you are or what you have to say so that has to a quatifiable amount?
Approx 3-4,000 active users on here, a percentage of them (those who voted for you on your recent poll) is a very small amount by comparison surely you would agree?...another quantifiable amount.
Youbare just not reaching the greater target.

Do you understand the concept of planting a seed Mark?

[Maha]

Needs to germinate Steve.

[yungatart]

Needs to germinate Steve.

I would hazard a guess that not only has it germinated, but its taken root already, Mark.

[theseekerfinds]

and when a seed doesn't germinate you have a few options, try a different strain of seed which may be suited to the prevailing conditions, change the prevailing conditions to suit the seed you are trying to germinate or abandon the seed altogether and try dairy farming :crazy:

thing is if no one here, or only a few, pays any heed try a different audience, as opposed to a blanket generalisation try to choose an audience and test your seed theory out on them.. stop wasting your time on the wrong people..

the most successful companies are assisted in being started by people who don't care what the company does, but see the genius in the person trying to start it up.. find your venture capitalist and you will get your opinion heard far and wide, seems like the current people you are pitching your ideas to are not the right ones :brick:

[Hitcher]

1. Did the 5 May ride ever happen?

2. If yes, how many people went?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Actually, the reality is that you, nor I, have any way of quantifying what my efforts may have produced over the years.

Maybe we should ask sanitation if they can measure your output?


Do you understand the concept of planting a seed Mark?

There is a seed in there? Stop constantly tilling the ground and try less fertiliser. Breaking and burning the roots don't help.


1. Did the 5 May ride ever happen?

2. If yes, how many people went?

No, Nil

[Mom]

The thing is I haven't done any of those things. There are plenty of other groups that also do those things and pay no extra levies or charges at all.

Me either mate, in fact I have hurt myself and cost ACC much money doing simple things like walking on my deck and opening pickle jars.


1. Did the 5 May ride ever happen?

2. If yes, how many people went?

No it was canned. Sadly I posted my thoughts prior to the announcement. I should not have done that apparently.

Good idea, bad planning, terrible day/time to choose, poor target to aim for = no support = cancellation.

[swbarnett]

Does anyone know if you can just buy the rego only and not the ACC charge if you can prove you hold equivalent ACC cover on another bike.
As I understand it you can't. This is just one of the many things about the way ACC is implemented that is just plain wrong.