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racefactory
29th April 2011, 21:25
Ok... We have worked as hunters for more than 100,000 years, as farmers for 10,000 years, in manufacturing for 200 years and in services for the last 30 years.

So, what do you imagine we will we be working as next? Service/information providers for the next million years?

Manufacturing has been in decline since the end of World War 2 and thanks to our invention and advancement of the computer it is now becoming all automated and people shifted to services. However, as it turns out with the help of the computer we're also managing to make services more efficient day by day. As we speak they are implementing those check-in machines at airports, automated tellers for banks, self check-outs for retailers etc; all the time, more technological unemployment. I just came back from the airport today and saw this for myself. Our economic paradigm calls for profit and constant increasing demand and growth, but we can't meet those requirements if less and less people have money in pocket to consume from these ongoing effects.

But it seems there is now a category beyond services, and it's the fastest growing segment of our economy today. It is called... unemployment. We are entering the cutting new age of unemployment!!

So as more and more people head into the unemployment sector, we need more and more dole payments. It can't possibly reach the point where 50% of the people are supporting 50% couch potatoes, so there must be a point where the system breaks right? After all, dole payments can't be given out for every soul and western countries are already drowning in debt as it is. Insurrection will do no good either. So if the exponential trends just mentioned have any validity, it doesn't seem that there's much longer until man's artificial economy breaks. Within 20 years?

So when the breaking point comes and the profit mechanism fails, our agriculture can not function, for there is no incentive to work. Suddenly 7 billion people are effectively stranded in cities without food, and hence the extinction of man.

I was thinking, why are my friends and the hordes of young people around me taking our their loans and starting their Bachelors in business, finance and accounting etc? Isn't it more worthwhile studying a Bachelor in survival skills instead? More future prospects and career opportunities for sure, not to mention the perk of being self employed right upon graduation. What course providers are there in Auckland and are they Studylink approved?

NZ is a pretty good place for to be in though I'd say...

Hans
29th April 2011, 21:31
Correct. Aaand... Correct.

Winston001
29th April 2011, 21:48
I was going to give you the usual cheerful welcome of F**k off Noob, but Kate and Wills have made me a bit weepy so you get a pass.

This time.

Now - homosapiens sapiens has been hunting for 3 million years. The service industry had its early genesis in the Sumarian culture 4700 years ago. Not achieved. Manufacturing ramped up from 1790 so you get a Merit on that.

As for where from here? Our great great etc grandparents spent most of their waking hours surviving. Today some folk don't even get out of bed and still put on weight. What's happened is human productivity has soared to the point where we don't have to work hard anymore - apart from the few 5 billion in the Third World. :shit: I'm picking we'll all be in bed by 2100.

mashman
29th April 2011, 21:49
It can't possibly reach the point where 50% of the people are supporting 50% couch potatoes, so there must be a point where the system breaks right?

Why not?

Costings for Computer working 24/7: $100/month power bill.
Global salary savings: Several trillion.
Cost of maintaing dolites: Several hundred billion.

What would you do? The system breaks when the finance computers stop working.

Have a nice day :)

racefactory
29th April 2011, 21:55
I was going to give you the usual cheerful welcome of F**k off Noob, but Kate and Wills have made me a bit weepy so you get a pass.

This time.

Now - homosapiens sapiens has been hunting for 3 million years. The service industry had its early genesis in the Sumarian culture 4700 years ago. Not achieved. Manufacturing ramped up from 1790 so you get a Merit on that.

As for where from here? Our great great etc grandparents spent most of their waking hours surviving. Today some folk don't even get out of bed and still put on weight. What's happened is human productivity has soared to the point where we don't have to work hard anymore - apart from the few 5 billion in the Third World. :shit: I'm picking we'll all be in bed by 2100.

Yeah sorry man I know, but it's the linear trend that matters really.

We have to invent something new, quick! That or a ban on technology anyone?

FJRider
29th April 2011, 21:57
For the sake of safety ... your local WINZ office will be open from 9 am untill 4 pm. Monday - Friday ...

Local hours may vary. ..... Good luck ...

racefactory
29th April 2011, 22:04
For the sake of safety ... your local WINZ office will be open from 9 am untill 4 pm. Monday - Friday ...

Local hours may vary. ..... Good luck ...

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oblivion
29th April 2011, 22:08
Why not?

Costings for Computer working 24/7: $100/month power bill.
Global salary savings: Several trillion.
Cost of maintaing dolites: Several hundred billion.

What would you do? The system breaks when the finance computers stop working.

Have a nice day :)

Bring on Y2K +-10 years :innocent:

Edit: 11 years :sad:

Winston001
29th April 2011, 22:45
....but it's the linear trend that matters really.

Oh dear. I did warn you. FAIL.

It's an exponential trend for growth. Human population growth. Technology. Knowledge.

However there are concurrent opposite trends of reduction. Food, resources, biological forms of life, physical living space.

IMHO there will be a human cataclysm about 2030 lasting two generations (50 years) and the human population will settle at 2 billion with a high quality of life for all.

racefactory
29th April 2011, 22:48
Oh dear. I did warn you. FAIL.

It's an exponential trend for growth. Human population growth. Technology. Knowledge.

However there are concurrent opposite trends of reduction. Food, resources, biological forms of life, physical living space.

IMHO there will be a human cataclysm about 2030 lasting two generations (50 years) and the human population will settle at 2 billion with a high quality of life for all.

Fail. Population growth rate is not exponential. It has been decreasing since 1963 and still falling. :)

Woodman
29th April 2011, 23:32
HHmmm, might start buying 7 cans of baked beans a week and stashing them under the house for when the famine starts. Makes more sense than paying into the retirement fund if money is going to be no use soon. Can't eat money.

BTW, how long do baked beans last under the house??

racefactory
29th April 2011, 23:52
Not sure but I'm going with tinned fish. Given the current raping of the oceans, at that time there won't be any more Tuna left so it will be quite a rarity. Need those Omega 3's during times of famine.

Money? Spend it and have fun with it while you can. It will only be useful for toilet paper and conversion into chemical energy for warmth at that point.

Oblivion
30th April 2011, 01:38
Not sure but I'm going with tinned fish. Given the current raping of the oceans, at that time there won't be any more Tuna left so it will be quite a rarity. Need those Omega 3's during times of famine.

Money? Spend it and have fun with it while you can. It will only be useful for toilet paper and conversion into chemical energy for warmth at that point.

What about Twinkies? Apparently they can survive a Nuclear Apocalypse, So why not the end of the world?

gammaguy
30th April 2011, 02:58
when theres too many of us to support,nature will find a way to cut us down,like the overgrowing weeds we are.reminds me of a statue I saw here in Singapore recently....

<a href="http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/unternichtuber/?action=view&amp;current=themessage.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/unternichtuber/themessage.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Urano
30th April 2011, 09:53
it doesn't seem that there's much longer until man's artificial economy breaks.

:gob:
hey.
wait a minute!
hasn't it ALREADY broken?

Winston001
30th April 2011, 11:03
Fail. Population growth rate is not exponential. It has been decreasing since 1963 and still falling. :)

Yeah, fair enough. Thinking about it, you are right. It's still growing which is your main point.

racefactory
30th April 2011, 15:30
:gob:
hey.
wait a minute!
hasn't it ALREADY broken?

Yup, just living on borrowed time now from printing paper fiat.

marie_speeds
30th April 2011, 16:10
I think cannibalism will be our salvation...

Urano
30th April 2011, 23:17
yeah!
let's eat all the females first: they are weaker.
breast or leg?
:rofl: :rofl:

schrodingers cat
1st May 2011, 08:11
As for where from here? Our great great etc grandparents spent most of their waking hours surviving.

It is estimated that on average, hunter gathers only needed to work 5 hrs a day leaving the rest of the time for leisure and social activities


How happy they must have been not slaving for a bank. Granted they didn't have motorcycles.
Or flat screen TV's to watch reality horseshit.

racefactory
1st May 2011, 09:02
It is estimated that on average, hunter gathers only needed to work 5 hrs a day leaving the rest of the time for leisure and social activities


How happy they must have been not slaving for a bank. Granted they didn't have motorcycles.
Or flat screen TV's to watch reality horseshit.

+1
That's a good balance. Fuck banks and mortgages.

FJRider
1st May 2011, 17:33
I think cannibalism will be our salvation...

I recall seeing a sig on KB I like ... some people are alive, ONLY because its illegal to kill them ...

Winston001
1st May 2011, 21:01
It is estimated that on average, hunter gathers only needed to work 5 hrs a day leaving the rest of the time for leisure and social activities



Yes...and No. All anthropologists can do is study existing hunter/gatherer societies (very few left) and extrapolate the effort required by ancient man to survive assuming a certain level of animal and plants available.

There is research which continues this theory into as late as the 18th century. However it was the males who worked limited hours, not the women - they were at it full time.

As they should. :yes:

marie_speeds
2nd May 2011, 10:47
yeah!
let's eat all the females first: they are weaker.
breast or leg?
:rofl: :rofl:

Sounds kind of gay..........



I recall seeing a sig on KB I like ... some people are alive, ONLY because its illegal to kill them ...

I have a hit list that I would so like to work through, and in the event of impending doom for the world I will most likely work through that list just so that I can die with the knowledge that I got those bastards first.... :shutup:

racefactory
2nd May 2011, 10:51
Sounds kind of gay..........




I have a hit list that I would so like to work through, and in the event of impending doom for the world I will most likely work through that list just so that I can die with the knowledge that I got those bastards first.... :shutup:

Henry Paulson is on it right?

marie_speeds
2nd May 2011, 10:55
Henry Paulson is on it right?

He's too far away for me....I was thinking along the lines of closer to home