Punishment for speeding - thoughts?

[tigertim20]

I heard last night about a biker that evaded police in my area, and I thought of this video. just interested to hear thoughts on it. and no it isnt a NZ video, just thought it was interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyq6GCnKWo

[unstuck]

Very reasonable argument.Was a bit OTT that punishment.Cheers for posting that,food for thought.:yes:

[jaffaonajappa]

Excellent video.

Assume there was either a re-trial, or more to this than was on the video? Surely he didnt serve a year inside for speeding?

[tigertim20]

as I understand it there wasnt a retrial, but i thought it was interesting, and the guy did bring up some good arguments, regarding the duke or whatever he was getting a qaurter of the sentence for a similar TYPE of crime which brought about a far worse result.
Could also be said the biker referred to didnt actually have a 'result', he was just seen riding fast.

I can understand that sometimes a court may impose a miximum sentence not for the severity of a crime, but as an attempt to discourage others from doing the same thing, but one would have thought the could would consider the duke (or was he an earl?) and his case would hav made a far more compelling case for receiving a sentence to discourage others

[Laava]

Same old story tho, we don't get to hear about the circumstances like if it was his 20th time stopped for doing the same thing etc etc.

[jaffaonajappa]

Same old story tho, we don't get to hear about the circumstances like if it was his 20th time stopped for doing the same thing etc etc.

Yeah.
Hate to side with the long arm of the plod on something like this....but even I cannot beleive we have heard the full story. It makes absolutely No sense.

[tigertim20]

Same old story tho, we don't get to hear about the circumstances like if it was his 20th time stopped for doing the same thing etc etc.

fair point I agree, but even if we assume worst case scenario where the guy had been done for it 15 times before, is it really more jail worthy than paedophillia, or dangerous driving causing death?

[jaffaonajappa]

is it really more jail worthy than paedophillia, or dangerous driving causing death?

Hell No.
And I cant see a judge thinking otherwise.
Which, unfortunately, leads us back to....the conundrum. Do we have the full story.

[tigertim20]

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Biker-leads-police-139mph-chase/article-1176606-detail/article.html
here is the write up from the local rag after he was sentenced. seems to me that there is just the element of speed really, apart from passing his mate on a deserted road.
Id have thought that if he had a history of riding badly, then that would have been mentioned, but no mention of it.

[unstuck]

How come his mate got nothing?:blink:

[tigertim20]

How come his mate got nothing?:blink:

pid for a better lawyer?
They were both doing the same speed.

They do mention an allegedly 'modified number plate' but there were no charges for that.

Other than that, he did pass the other guy, but they were both going like the clappers anyway, so yeah, it doesnt really add up does it?

[unstuck]

no. something dodgy going on.:yes:

[bogan]

A quick search and the MCN site (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/July/jul2009-12-months-jail-for-speeding-biker/) gives a bit more info, it wasn't for speeding at all.


Both admitted speeding on the 60mph road but were not charged with that. The police could not charge them with it because it happened more than six months ago.

Sounds like he got done for dangerous driving with a pretty reckless overtake, and his piss poor attitude can't have helped with sentencing.

[Ender EnZed]

This (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/July/jul2009-12-months-jail-for-speeding-biker/) gives a bit more background. He was convicted for driving while disqualified in 1993 and he had a bad attitude. Also, he overtook his mate on the brow of a hill toward oncoming cars. It's still hard to see how he deserved 12 months in jail, or why his mate didn't.

[Ender EnZed]

A quick search and the MCN site (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/July/jul2009-12-months-jail-for-speeding-biker/) gives a bit more info, it wasn't for speeding at all.


Bastard. Beat me by a minute.

[tigertim20]

cool extra links are helpfull, I get lazy with searching!!

[unstuck]

Yeah, that would make a bit more sense,especially the bad attitude.If your standing in front of the beak with a fuck u attitude,it never goes well.:yes:

[tigertim20]

no, but if you went to jail just for being a cunt, then it would be very lonely on Kiwibiker!

[unstuck]

no, but if you went to jail just for being a cunt, then it would be very lonely on Kiwibiker!

But not so lonely in the big house. I bags mount eden,somewhere close to the motorway.:innocent:

[ukusa]

would be interesting to know if a cage driver under similar circumstances would get the same sentence. In NZ I think I've only heard of people being jailed when a death is involved.

[Laava]

Was a magistrate in Dargaville a few years ago who jailed a DIC guy on his first offence. It was national news at the time. There again, I don't know of the details and circumstances, but it was a precedent nonetheless.

[jaffaonajappa]

no, but if you went to jail just for being a cunt, then it would be very lonely on Kiwibiker!


+1. Spot On!

[patarch]

an unmarked hayabusa :shit: :shit:

scares me a bit more than a kitted out for evo 6 or 7. they used to have on some ads

[Kickaha]

Was a magistrate in Dargaville a few years ago who jailed a DIC guy on his first offence. It was national news at the time. There again, I don't know of the details and circumstances, but it was a precedent nonetheless.

Fucking good job, pity they don't do it all the time

[scumdog]

Was a magistrate in Dargaville a few years ago who jailed a DIC guy on his first offence. It was national news at the time. There again, I don't know of the details and circumstances, but it was a precedent nonetheless.

Yup, down here back in the 70's there were three guys I knew got the same.
:yes:
And back then three YEARS disqualification for D.I.C. was'nt uncommon. :shit:

[Laava]

an unmarked hayabusa :shit: :shit:

scares me a bit more than a kitted out for evo 6 or 7. they used to have on some ads

So why did the guys even stop? In the video of the OP's he says the cop didn't even have lights flashing?

[jaffaonajappa]

So why did the guys even stop? In the video of the OP's he says the cop didn't even have lights flashing?

I dont know.
But Id put money on - if they thought theyd get the book thrown at them That hard, they may have sped up a little.

[unstuck]

Hmmm, my guess is they didnt know it was a bobby chasing them and pulled over for a yarn or something,or his mate to catch up.:yes:

[tigertim20]

So why did the guys even stop? In the video of the OP's he says the cop didn't even have lights flashing?

looked to me like they had reached their destination on the right hand side of the video. think I read somewhere that it was a cafe they stopped at when the copper caught up to them.

[Camshaft]

thats absolute fuking rubbish. these bike we ride can get up to that speed and back down quiker than most cars get to 100. a year in the can, fuk that.

[malfunconz]

thats absolute fuking rubbish. these bike we ride can get up to that speed and back down quiker than most cars get to 100. a year in the can, fuk that.

yeh i agree , punishment fit the crime .... bullshit . one burst for 30 secs on primo road and walkin for a year , any one who agrees thats good coppin's a dork !

[Blackshear]

Rules are rules, you're aware of them, yet you broke them.

Punishment should be the coro loop between 20-25km/hr, if you go above or below, you get penalized.

[DrunkenMistake]

Uhh its all 50/50 in'it,
If you get caught doing 200 on a straight piece of road with heaps of visibility, and noone around AND you pull over, then the charge or fine or whatever it may be, should be SMALL, You have not caused a danger to anybody else on the road other than yourself, and you are honest enough to pull over when you could have kept going,

If your doing 200 on an open stretch of road, some circumstances as above, BUT you decide to Outrun the police, then get caught up with in the next town or what have you, and have no choice but to pull over, than you deserve whatever they give you.

If your doing 200 and your weaving in and out of traffic, there is piss all road visibility, as in there are alot of bends in the road etc, you go flat stick through some hick ass motorway town, any of those situations, and you get caught up with then you deserve a good kick in the head.

Im not typing this as an uptight pole smoker who obeys the law infact im pretty bad for speeding, my bike wont do 200 but it will comfortably do 160 which is still enough to smear my body and internal organs all the way down the road
I accept my own responsibitly and I set myself 'rules' If im riding on the open road, IE: North on SH1, then I will overtake on safe stretches of road, if I have a clear run I will probably speed (wont say what speed but not a very legal one) depending where on SH1 I am etc, but I will NEVER speed through a small township that is my number one rule, The fact is, no matter your excuses, no matter your situations, If you break the law, you have broken the law, the problem with most people is that they can not accept responsibility in their own actions but instead lash out at official's who were only doing their job in the first place.

Rant part 1, Over.

The video is pretty good, and I agree with the points he brought up about the sentence terms for different convictions,
This is something I do agree is wrong, and I believe it is like that here in New Zealand, I know kids my age who have been to court more times than I have changed my socks, and they still havnt been jailed for their bullshit, yet recently a good friend of mine who was involved in a fight with a gang member was jailed for 3 months on an Assault charge, admittedly he had a few other hold ups with the law, but nothing serious, and very minor to some of these hoody wearing muppets that walk around with their jeans at their knee's in preparation for when they are sentanced to jail, for when cell mate decides hes keen for some Sausage and Bread.

kk im done now haha.

[scumdog]

Uhh its all 50/50 in'it,
If you get caught doing 200 on a straight piece of road with heaps of visibility, and noone around AND you pull over, then the charge or fine or whatever it may be, should be SMALL, You have not caused a danger to anybody else on the road other than yourself, and you are honest enough to pull over when you could have kept going,

If your doing 200 on an open stretch of road, some circumstances as above, BUT you decide to Outrun the police, then get caught up with in the next town or what have you, and have no choice but to pull over, than you deserve whatever they give you.

If your doing 200 and your weaving in and out of traffic, there is piss all road visibility, as in there are alot of bends in the road etc, you go flat stick through some hick ass motorway town, any of those situations, and you get caught up with then you deserve a good kick in the head.



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Trouble is young DM, people would then argue incrementally, i.e. "Well there weren't MANY cars so I should be in the same catagory as if it was an empty road" and so on down the line until they're almost in the "doing 200 and weaving in and out of traffic" catagory and STILL wanting to be counted as an 'empty road' catagory.

But in real life what you say does happen from time to time - only it's the luck of the draw whether that the dude that pulls you up is lenient or a road-nazi.

[DrunkenMistake]

Trouble is young DM, people would then argue incrementally, i.e. "Well there weren't MANY cars so I should be in the same catagory as if it was an empty road" and so on down the line until they're almost in the "doing 200 and weaving in and out of traffic" catagory and STILL wanting to be counted as an 'empty road' catagory.

But in real life what you say does happen from time to time - only it's the luck of the draw whether that the dude that pulls you up is lenient or a road-nazi.

This is true, and at that point in time it also comes down to your personal attitude, I was pulled over on the way back from Blen on my 250, I had my L at the time, and I had missed a speed limit sign which was 80km, and I was doing 120, the officer pulled me over and went over my license etc, I had a good attitude and explained that for that leg of the coast (its long straight roads) I had been sitting on an average speed above the speed limit, I didnt say what speed as I didnt want to make things worse, I simply thought it was because I was 20km over the limit, turns out I was 40, the cop thought I was pretty genuine and asked me where I was going, when I said Dunedin, he told me to carry on but be more aware of the sign posts.

Like I have said in previous posts, I dont have anything against the police, they are like anybody else, and I work in a supermarket and that involves dealing with alot of ignorant fuckwits of different age groups and sexes, so I can only imagine the shit they deal with day to day, so I dont see the point in been someone who I dont like.

[GrayWolf]

yeh i agree , punishment fit the crime .... bullshit . one burst for 30 secs on primo road and walkin for a year , any one who agrees thats good coppin's a dork !

Yup totaly agree, but before everyone starts ranting about how unfair the sentance was? I suggest looking at what punishments some countries dish out for 'drunk driving' being over the limit period....... no, "Oh, but I was only 5mg over Your Honour"

HOW THE WORLD DEALS WITH DRUNK DRIVERS

Finland & Sweden: Jail - 1 year hard labor plus fines. NOTE: in Finland, if an individual yields a vehicle to someone guilty of drunk driving, they will be fined or imprisoned for up to 1 year.

Norway: 3 weeks in jail at hard labor, 1 yr loss of license, 2nd offense within 5 yrs - license revoked for life.

Arizona: 1992 - 1st time offenders - 24 hrs in jail, $250 fine and 90 day license suspension. 2nd time offender within 3 yrs - 60 days in jail along with fines and license actions.

Bulgaria: A second conviction results in execution.

Czechoslovakia: Jail up to 1 yr, reformatory measure, loss of drivers license and fines up to 50,000 crowns. A reformatory measure: confiscation of 10-25% of driver's salary. The court may also direct that he will be removed from his present position and employed in a less responsible job

this one is....... priceless :woohoo:

Malaysia: the driver is jailed and if he is married, his wife is jailed too.

[malfunconz]

jeez thats priceless go Malaysia . A week in prison for drunk driving would really be a deterent here in NZ , i mean imagine that . Personally i am not a drunk driver myself and despise the fools ..... i like speed . What a farkn drama ....