HID retrofit potential group buy

[bogan]

Time to upgrade the silly little candle Mr Honda put on my bike, these things look fucking awesome, and because they are a full retrofit including the lens and reflector I'm fairly sure they are warrantable.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=927

They say they do group buys, and the dollar is good for importing at the moment. If there is a large enough group buy it may be possible to get em for around 200 bucks each.

The beam cutoff pics look bloody amazing, could probly leave my tinted visor on even at night with one of these :lol:

[BMWST?]

Time to upgrade the silly little candle Mr Honda put on my bike, these things look fucking awesome, and because they are a full retrofit including the lens and reflector I'm fairly sure they are warrantable.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=927

They say they do group buys, and the dollar is good for importing at the moment. If there is a large enough group buy it may be possible to get em for around 200 bucks each.

The beam cutoff pics look bloody amazing, could probly leave my tinted visor on even at night with one of these :lol:

make sure they suit driving on the left hand side of the road

[LBD]

I looked into that for the Duc....went with a couple of "Fog" lights instead....

http://www.warn.com/atv/lights/W200XT_HID_Spot_Beams.shtml

[bogan]

make sure they suit driving on the left hand side of the road

Thanks for the tip, just put an inquiry in now, also asked what sort of discount there might be for a group buy.

[Richard Mc F]

I have retro fitted HID lights but in my increasing paranoia I wonder what you do when it fails....at night...at speed, one bulb with a servo operated beam modifier, at least with the old school filament bulbs you have the back up of the "other" beam.

Normal viewing may resume:killingme

[Gremlin]

but in my increasing paranoia I wonder what you do when it fails....at night...at speed, one bulb with a servo operated beam modifier, at least with the old school filament bulbs you have the back up of the "other" beam.
That's easy. you don't have the beam modifier, and you have two separate filaments/bulbs. Actually, make it 2 bulbs... I've had both filaments (low and high) blow in one night ride, and had a very interesting ride through northland with no headlight in the dark :eek:

[bsasuper]

youll spend a lot of money, have a hell of a time getting them to work right, then rip them out, and it will bug you for ages that you spent so much $$$ on them when you could have spent it on something usefull.

[bogan]

I have retro fitted HID lights but in my increasing paranoia I wonder what you do when it fails....at night...at speed, one bulb with a servo operated beam modifier, at least with the old school filament bulbs you have the back up of the "other" beam.

Normal viewing may resume:killingme

But the absence of a filament means there is less to fail to begin with, assuming the ballasts are fairly reliable.


youll spend a lot of money, have a hell of a time getting them to work right, then rip them out, and it will bug you for ages that you spent so much $$$ on them when you could have spent it on something usefull.

A guy on another forum got his sorted easy as, his in garage pics look pretty much the same as those on the site. We're still waiting on some proper nighttime road pictures though :wait: Have you had issues with this sort of thing?

[cleverchap]

I fitted two sets of these to my cars recently and they are reasonably straight forward. I bought the kits off ebay as they were way cheaper even with postage etc.

Had a bit of hassle with the second set as the relay wiring loom was buggered and the seller didn't want to play ball until I had jumped through a few hoops checking this and that which I had already done by swapping things between my other ride.

I've had no issues with warrants and the lights are a LOT better.:2thumbsup

Highly recommended

[bogan]

got a reply, they can get projectors for either side drive. However I'm not sure what the convention is, he said:
"Anyways, the standard projector in the Sport bike Stage III kit is a LHD projector, which is lower on the left side, higher on the right side in terms of light output, like this:"

Shouldn't a LHD projector put more output off to the left, away from the oncoming traffic? Or have I got that wrong?

Also %discount is proportional to number in the group buy, 10 people = 10% off for everyone.

[Brian d marge]

Ive got one lying around , was given it from a coustomer ...free to a good home if anyone wants

Stephen

[bogan]

Ive got one lying around , was given it from a coustomer ...free to a good home if anyone wants

Stephen

could be keen, what are the details? got the ballasts etc? does it do both beams?

[Brian d marge]

could be keen, what are the details? got the ballasts etc? does it do both beams?

No Idea , Havent even looked at it ..will look tomorrow

Stephen

[C.Linnell]

My Street Triple lights practically blind me reflecting off roadsigns on full beam... and friends riding behind me have told me they've been dazzled by it too. I don't need any retrofits!

[bogan]

My Street Triple lights practically blind me reflecting off roadsigns on full beam... and friends riding behind me have told me they've been dazzled by it too. I don't need any retrofits!

Are you sure, being blinded by your own headlights doesn't sound ideal :pinch:

[k14]

got a reply, they can get projectors for either side drive. However I'm not sure what the convention is, he said:
"Anyways, the standard projector in the Sport bike Stage III kit is a LHD projector, which is lower on the left side, higher on the right side in terms of light output, like this:"

Shouldn't a LHD projector put more output off to the left, away from the oncoming traffic? Or have I got that wrong?

Also %discount is proportional to number in the group buy, 10 people = 10% off for everyone.
My car has HID's (although only on low beam) and it am sure it outputs higher to the left. Could be bad alignment though.

Are the projectors you're looking at sealed units? On a bike I have read that they can be problematic if you the projector isn't sealed, with dirt and stuff getting in there.

[YellowDog]

My Tiger stock lights are complete crap. HIDs are a common solution. $200 is way too much.

I was looking at these: http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-35W-55W-Single-Motorcycle-HID-Kit

[bogan]

My Tiger stock lights are complete crap. HIDs are a common solution. $200 is way too much.

I was looking at these: http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-35W-55W-Single-Motorcycle-HID-Kit

I think those kits are not legal here, because they don't include any optics to ensure a correct beam pattern. The one I listed is more expensive cos it has those things, and also operates as high and low beam.

[YellowDog]

I think those kits are not legal here, because they don't include any optics to ensure a correct beam pattern. The one I listed is more expensive cos it has those things, and also operates as high and low beam.

HIDs are not NZ Land Transport certified as legal, period.

You won't fail a WOF with HIDs though, unless you mention them.

All the optics are in my light fitting and I have separate lights for dipped and main beam, so the DDMs are OK for me.

[bogan]

HIDs are not NZ Land Transport certified as legal, period.

You won't fail a WOF with HIDs though, unless you mention them.

All the optics are in my light fitting and I have separate lights for dipped and main beam, so the DDMs are OK for me.

Not too sure about that first bit.


HID conversion kits (an HID bulb with a high voltage power unit or ‘ballast’ which fits into the original headlamp unit in place of the original bulb with no change to the headlamp lens, reflector or housing) are illegal on any vehicle being used on New Zealand roads.

However, a complete halogen headlamp unit can be replaced with a complete HID headlamp unit provided that the replacement headlamp unit complies with approved standards. If in doubt, get advice from a vehicle lighting retailer you trust.

your bulb link refers to the first bit, the retrofit source to the second. http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/get-your-lights-right/get-your-lights-right.html bulb replacements are illegal (though I can't find any reference to HID in the vehicle lighting rules), but replacement units have to comply with standards.

But as you say, without the need for a dual beam setup, you might have no problem with em in your case. Be a bit annoying if they do start picking up on em more though.

[YellowDog]

I did some work on this via my employer and was liasing with NZ Land Transport.

Everyone seems to accept that HIDs are a good lighting solution and offer benefits; however updating the rules and regulations is another story.

IMO - They are more likely to appprove them rather than start failing vehicles with them.

[bogan]

I did some work on this via my employer and was liasing with NZ Land Transport.

Everyone seems to accept that HIDs are a good lighting solution and offer benefits; however updating the rules and regulations is another story.

IMO - They are more likely to appprove them rather than start failing vehicles with them.

All I've been able to find on em so far was the bit I quoted, do they need to update the regs to approve them? As they comply with all the ones I've found. I have asked if these ones will be E-marked, which would seem to me, to make them tick all the boxes.

also from that same source, they angel eyes TRS offer would make great position/park lamps :D

[Transalper]

got a reply, they can get projectors for either side drive. However I'm not sure what the convention is, he said:
"Anyways, the standard projector in the Sport bike Stage III kit is a LHD projector, which is lower on the left side, higher on the right side in terms of light output, like this:"

Shouldn't a LHD projector put more output off to the left, away from the oncoming traffic? Or have I got that wrong?.....
Ok I didn't see this answered and I could be wrong but I assume LHD refers to Left Hand Drive which would refer to driver of car sitting on the left hand side as they do when they drive in the right hand lane as in America and so would want the left to be lower than the right to avoid blinding oncoming drivers who would be coming on their left side.
When talking classic American cars (have a friend with an Classic Mustang) the LHD cars are set as I described so she drives from the left side seat.
In NZ most our cars are RHD.

[YellowDog]

All I've been able to find on em so far was the bit I quoted, do they need to update the regs to approve them? As they comply with all the ones I've found. I have asked if these ones will be E-marked, which would seem to me, to make them tick all the boxes.

also from that same source, they angel eyes TRS offer would make great position/park lamps :D

I don't now have all the paperwork, but at that time; whilst HIDs did tick most of the boxes for driving lights, they were not yet approved.

From what I remember, the main beam issue was a show stopper. You can't flash HIDs as they flicker on with a slight delay.

Many cars and motorcyels have HIDs. They use less power and are also brighter. Some of the older bikes have been struggling with the compulsory 'lights on' law.

Changing to HIDs may be a good option.

[YellowDog]

Ok I didn't see this answered and I could be wrong but I assume LHD refers to Left Hand Drive which would refer to driver of car sitting on the left hand side as they do when they drive in the right hand lane as in America and so would want the left to be lower than the right to avoid blinding oncoming drivers who would be coming on their left side.
When talking classic American cars (have a friend with an Classic Mustang) the LHD cars are set as I described so she drives from the left side seat.
In NZ most our cars are RHD.

It's not the bulb. It's the reflectors that do the LHR RHD thing.

[BMWST?]

got a reply, they can get projectors for either side drive. However I'm not sure what the convention is, he said:
"Anyways, the standard projector in the Sport bike Stage III kit is a LHD projector, which is lower on the left side, higher on the right side in terms of light output, like this:"

Shouldn't a LHD projector put more output off to the left, away from the oncoming traffic? Or have I got that wrong?

Also %discount is proportional to number in the group buy, 10 people = 10% off for everyone.

dont confuse LHD (left hand drive=drive on the right) with driving on the left( RHD) you need the highside on the left and lower on the right,as you surmise

[bogan]

I don't now have all the paperwork, but at that time; whilst HIDs did tick most of the boxes for driving lights, they were not yet approved.

From what I remember, the main beam issue was a show stopper. You can't flash HIDs as they flicker on with a slight delay.

Many cars and motorcyels have HIDs. They use less power and are also brighter. Some of the older bikes have been struggling with the compulsory 'lights on' law.

Changing to HIDs may be a good option.

Thanks for the info. Hmmmm, the TRS ones have a mechanical beam block that comes down on low beam, so flashing would be no issue if the lights were on all the time. Difficult to get that sorta thing into legislation though I guess. The wording on the 'lights on' law says daytime running lights, so older bikes should be able to get away with just the parks on. If the HID is a bit bright I might just go with parks myself.

[Transalper]

It's not the bulb. It's the reflectors that do the LHR RHD thing.

Regardless of how it's done my point was it's the RHD version that's needed in NZ.
OP sounded like he was about to get the wrong one.

[bogan]

Regardless of how it's done my point was it's the RHD version that's needed in NZ.
OP sounded like he was about to get the wrong one.

Nah I was just confused by the notation, guess I don't spend enough time in a cage :scratch:. I asked TRS to clarify the notation before purchasing anything.

On a side note, in this case it looks to be done by a beam blocker that slides over part of the bulb to blank parts of the output.

[YellowDog]

Nah I was just confused by the notation, guess I don't spend enough time in a cage :scratch:. I asked TRS to clarify the notation before purchasing anything.

On a side note, in this case it looks to be done by a beam blocker that slides over part of the bulb to blank parts of the output.

Yep, a bulb's a bulb.

My reflectors are 'synchrounous' which means I can ride on either side of the road as it gives out an up/down rather than a left/right pattern.

[bogan]

Looks like it's gonna be a single order rather than a group one...

[Gremlin]

From what I remember, the main beam issue was a show stopper. You can't flash HIDs as they flicker on with a slight delay.
There are different types of HID installs, and one of them is for H4, which has something in the beam/reflector which changes the angle of the beam...

You are correct however, that you can't "flash" with the high beam, if it's a separate normal bulb. Additionally, if you tried, it would be fantastic for shortening the life of the bulb. Hence, I have a HID low beam, and uprated bulb in high beam.

bogan: :lol: Now you see why they actually have group discounts. It's to congratulate you on your success in herding peoples... Yours would almost be landing if you had ordered straight away :2thumbsup

[Brian d marge]

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Here are the photos , may be a 35w H1 .....


Stephen

[bogan]

bogan: :lol: Now you see why they actually have group discounts. It's to congratulate you on your success in herding peoples... Yours would almost be landing if you had ordered straight away :2thumbsup

haha, you'll see.... how good I'll be able to see :D
One of the good things about having heaps of mods on the go, is you don't really notice the wait for parts.


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Here are the photos , may be a 35w H1 .....


Stephen

Cheers, I'm keen for a dual beam one with projector, but maybe suitable for yellowdog?

[Smifffy]

My Street Triple lights practically blind me reflecting off roadsigns on full beam... and friends riding behind me have told me they've been dazzled by it too. I don't need any retrofits!

So while the '11 STriple lights look like shite they work real well then?

[bogan]

Currently I'm in the process of over-engineering a holder for the one I bought. But since I just got the HID kit into an old FZR400 projector/lens so it is dustproof etc, I figured I would set it up next to the bros' stock light and compare beams.

My decent camera was out of batteries so used my shitty phone camera, but it still provides some comparison. Both on high beam, and aimed at about the same spot.

[cheshirecat]

Us bikers need these installed. It needs 160 volts and at least 82 amps supply but sure some here could sort it.

Brite arc (http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec%20Sheets/Sylvania%20BA12000.htm)