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Buckets4Me

18th June 2011, 21:26

Quote "so you mean to tell me I can't use an rs125 motor but I can use the parts within the motor
and i can use an rs gearbox but not the parts within ?"

NO dead right and dead wrong, in parts - read what I said about the KT100. You can use KT100 parts as much as you want, just not a KT100 motor.
So yes, you could use a RS125 crank, and rod etc, but NOT the whole motor, the rule states "Roadrace MOTORS" are not allowed - but NOT that the CRANK from a roadrace motor is illegal.

Same as I said about using a KT100 gearbox ( if it had one ) That would be illegal.
As a competition gearbox part,of any sort, is not allowed.So ANY RS125 gearbox part is illegal.

I dont give a fuck about being "lynched", all im doing is reading the rules as they are written, and having been thru many court cases over rule interpretation in karting, where the outcome could mean the driver gets a shot at F1 or not ( or so the fathers cheque book thinks) this argument is very amature.

Put simply again, an RS125 "MOTOR" is illegal, and ANY RS125 "TRANSMISSION PARTS " are illegal.
Thus the obvious logic is that using individual MOTOR parts from an RS125 are perfectly OK, but using a 2nd gear from a RS125 in say a MB100 if it fitted ,is out.

so now I want an rs125 in bits without any gearbox parts

husaberg

18th June 2011, 21:51

dose this mean that any part made for a compitition engine is illegal ?

Why don't you ask dave he said it not little old me I was only repeating what he said.
While your at get him to it ask Speedpro what rod he using?

bucketracer

18th June 2011, 21:57

Sorry for hijacking your thread TZ But I love a good crap fight ……..

Its always sad to see hypocrisy ……….

Look at my last reply to tz please,

"my" Debate arround the rules is contributing to the tread in a positive way………..

An example of hypocrisy perhaps ……….

Buckets4Me

18th June 2011, 22:29

Why don't you ask dave he said it not little old me I was only repeating what he said.
While your at get him to it ask Speedpro what rod he using?

it's a fair question isn't it

am I allowed to use parts made for a compitition engine ?

you maid anyparts for your engine ?
I know I have
and it's a compitition engine to boot

I use it to compeat in F4

husaberg

18th June 2011, 22:36

An example of hypocrisy perhaps ……….

touche:ar15:

while it would be extremly satisfiing to engange with you in a battle of wits I feel it would not be a fair fight.
afterall you are clearly unarmed

Its kind of like getting a blow job from your Lady buckets4me It felt good at the time !
But I just knew I would be guilty about it afterwards

I thought this was my thread anyway Wierd thing is I can't even spell hyprocisy.

but please quote with the full quote after all when I post vids of me doing your misses I always make sure you can see her face don't I, fairs fair
Afterall its thread ment to be my thread remember it's all about me

anyway whats your point narcasists are allowed to be hypocritic it's in our nature remember

husaberg

18th June 2011, 22:42

it's a fair question isn't it

am I allowed to use parts made for a compitition engine ?

you maid anyparts for your engine ?
I know I have
and it's a compitition engine to boot

I use it to compeat in F4

t's a fair question isn't it you would think so wouldn't you?
maid anyparts for your engine?
my maid mostly does cleaning with the ocasional wet hovering if you catch my drift.
you made anyparts for your engine ?Yes surery bob
I am also curently constructing a 100cc two cylinder 8 valve intercooled supercharged water injected engine too where's this going Buckets4Me

gav

18th June 2011, 22:45

Originally Posted by wobbly
Quote "so you mean to tell me I can't use an rs125 motor but I can use the parts within the motor
and i can use an rs gearbox but not the parts within ?"

NO dead right and dead wrong, in parts - read what I said about the KT100. You can use KT100 parts as much as you want, just not a KT100 motor.
So yes, you could use a RS125 crank, and rod etc, but NOT the whole motor, the rule states "Roadrace MOTORS" are not allowed - but NOT that the CRANK from a roadrace motor is illegal.

Same as I said about using a KT100 gearbox ( if it had one ) That would be illegal.
As a competition gearbox part,of any sort, is not allowed.So ANY RS125 gearbox part is illegal.

I dont give a fuck about being "lynched", all im doing is reading the rules as they are written, and having been thru many court cases over rule interpretation in karting, where the outcome could mean the driver gets a shot at F1 or not ( or so the fathers cheque book thinks) this argument is very amature.

Put simply again, an RS125 "MOTOR" is illegal, and ANY RS125 "TRANSMISSION PARTS " are illegal.
Thus the obvious logic is that using individual MOTOR parts from an RS125 are perfectly OK, but using a 2nd gear from a RS125 in say a MB100 if it fitted ,is out.

so now I want an rs125 in bits without any gearbox parts

Wonder if this was a typo?
Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted.
Because it doesnt really make sense otherwise. Im sure the spirit of the rule was no competition engine or transmission parts allowed .... but because it has an extra S in there, people think it means something different. Why would you ban competition transmission parts but allow competition engine parts??? :(

husaberg

18th June 2011, 22:49

Because it doesnt really make sense otherwise. Im sure the spirit of the rule was no competition engine or transmission parts allowed .... but because it has an extra S in there, people think it means something different. Why would you ban competition transmission parts but allow competition engine parts??? :(

Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
Always sad to see people thinking they can interpret the rules differently to try and gain an advantage. Then when its pointed out to them, they start mentioning the "spirit of buckets" etc etc.

:(

Very sad Gav Very sad and I am the hypocrite.........

And yes it maybe was a typo but Like I said I didn't write it I mealy pointed it out
Dave and speedpro are the ones you should ask.
Where is speedpro.
when you see him ask him what rod hes using cause I think dave and he both said it was illegal

jaffaonajappa

18th June 2011, 22:57

I am also curently constructing a 100cc two cylinder 8 valve intercooled supercharged water injected engine too where's this going

Id put it underneath the fuel tank if it was me.....

husaberg

18th June 2011, 23:12

An example of hypocrisy perhaps ……….

I do love a good arguement so please voice an opinion on the rules if you havn't got an opion you can have mine or wobblys
F5daves and Speedpros are looking slightly shakey at the moment.

Ps if you see spedpro ask him what rod hes using cause Dave and he both think its illegal

husaberg

18th June 2011, 23:15

Id put it underneath the fuel tank if it was me.....

Looks like you could be lead designer with such a rapier like wit

I am kinda mental and the pays crap and

How much are you offering ?

Forget that just send naked pics of your lady to me direct with you CV

gav

18th June 2011, 23:35

Well, have decided to find out about the rule in question. Have emailed MNZ asking for clarification on the wording. Wonder how long before i get a reply?

ac3_snow

18th June 2011, 23:38

Soo ahh I'm a little bit hesitant to jump in on this shit fight, but...

Going by the interpretations posted here I can get a rs125 barrel, sleeve it down to 100 put it on a 6speed mb/hb gearbox and that will be perfectly legit....

Edit: actually fuck it, if someone wants to build a 'rule bending' engine then do it. And if you can start winning races on it, perhaps then we can revisit the rules and get a legitimate opinion on what is and isn't legal. Until then who cares?

bucketracer

18th June 2011, 23:51

Well, have decided to find out about the rule in question. Have emailed MNZ asking for clarification on the wording. Wonder how long before i get a reply?

TeeZee says he is interested in how you get on, if you have any luck please PM him, he would be interested in your help getting the carb thing looked at properly.

gav

18th June 2011, 23:53

Edit: actually fuck it, if someone wants to build a 'rule bending' engine then do it. And if you can start winning races on it, perhaps then we can revisit the rules and get a legitimate opinion on what is and isn't legal. Until then who cares?

Why do you think it is acceptable for some one to race a "cheater" bike so long as they don't win? If they finish in front of you, you're ok with that?

gav

18th June 2011, 23:56

TeeZee says he is interested in how you get on, if you have any luck please PM him, he would be interested in your help getting the carb thing looked at properly.
Yeah, will do. All I'm asking is to check clarification on existing wording, and if there is possibly a typo. Hopefully a little easier than asking for your issue?

bucketracer

19th June 2011, 00:00

Debate around the rules is contributing to the tread in a positive way. Debate is healthy. I agree personal attacks are not ……..

touche:ar15:

while it would be extremly satisfiing to engange with you in a battle of wits I feel it would not be a fair fight.
afterall you are clearly unarmed

Its kind of like getting a blow job from your Lady buckets4me It felt good at the time !But I just knew I would be guilty about it afterwards

You are right, personal attacks are not healthy and again you have shown us who the hypocrite here is...........

ac3_snow

19th June 2011, 00:24

[I]
Why do you think it is acceptable for some one to race a "cheater" bike so long as they don't win? If they finish in front of you, you're ok with that?

they gotta finish in front of me first!
haha who am I kidding I haven't ever won a race. Good question tho. I'm not to sure to be honest. if it was a competition bearing/conrod then nope wouldn't mind, competition crank or barrel may be another matter.(but you could argue that the bearings/conrod are part of the crank)
But what I'm saying, I think, is that most people putting in the effort building a new engine have a reasonable respect for the rules and won't push them too far.

There are alot of variables and most are beyond my understanding. I think you made the right move Gav seeking clarification from professionals(MNZ), would be good to see if any response comes from it.

speedpro

19th June 2011, 01:42

It's really fucking annoying being accused of cheating. To clarify - my big end pin is custom made by Heat Treatments. It has 20mm ends, a 22mm centre which is offset .75mm, and it is the same length as a standard MB100 pin. My MB100 crankshaft is modified to take the 1mm wider big end of the rod I selected out of the catalogue at Pete's. It may fit a competition engine but it wasn't listed as a rod for one. It was selected for it's dimensions in particular the 105mm centre-centre measurement. The big end bearing came with the rod as did the thrust washers. The little end is one I chose also for it's dimensions, it could fit any number of engines and was not listed as a replacement part for any particular engine. The piston is KT100, the little end pin is MB100 as are the circlips. The rings, and you have me here I think, are KT100. As they aren't one of the listed items that are "open" then I suppose I am cheating. Though, being allowed to use a piston but not the associated rings would seem to defeat the benefit of using the piston so typically I assume the intention of the rule would be to allow the matching rings to be used.
The problem is the intention of the rule and the way it has been interpreted by everybody until now and the exact wording which allows an alternative interpretation. If you are a bucket racer you know what the rules are. It may not be written perfectly but everybody knows what is meant and plays by the rules. Everybody I know and respect anyway.
My engine stroke is 1.5mm less than an MB100 due to the .75mm offset pin and has a 52.2mm bore. You can do the maths yourself. As if I'd build an engine and not know the capacity of it.

jasonu

19th June 2011, 02:24

The problem is the intention of the rule and the way it has been interpreted by everybody until now and the exact wording which allows an alternative interpretation. If you are a bucket racer you know what the rules are. It may not be written perfectly but everybody knows what is meant and plays by the rules. Everybody I know and respect anyway.

That sums it up nicely Mike.

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 08:09

Im sure the spirit of the rule was no competition engine or transmission parts allowed ....(

The "spirit" of the rule means nothing, the actual rule is the only thing that counts

Going by the interpretations posted here I can get a rs125 barrel, sleeve it down to 100 put it on a 6speed mb/hb gearbox and that will be perfectly legit

Yes you could

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 08:14

husaberg

19th June 2011, 09:01

I agrea with you mike but

if the interpretation is "any part made for a compitition engine" then your crank is illegal :killingme

DONT LISSEN TO THE JACK ASS

it dosent say anywhere about parts made for competition engines

Perhaps refresh yourself with the rules on MNZ site. Parts are parts. If they come from competition engines then they aren't legal. Exception for pistons, ign, carb pipe.
So if one found a source of bearings that weren't specifically for a comp engine then that should be ok.

[
QUOTE=speedpro;1130089144]This part of the rule clearly states that "parts" from "Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors" are not permitted.

Look guys I never sugested Speedro was cheated I simply pointed out By his own interation of the rules that he offered on the board both He and Dave were saying he was.
this is my origional post that they both responded to It was never my intention to start a shit fight.
but when attacked I will respond

I thought parts were ok just weren't allowed to use gearbox or competion based engines.
I would have thought a big end bearing was ok?:innocent:

For the benefit of other I will clearly state my position
Whist the rules look like they have a typo they say what they say that's it warts and all.
They say what they say Don't shoot the messenger.

I would not race with a rs125 barrel or crank or gearbox because thats not what buckets are about it's a open sport that is meant to encourage devlopment at a reasonable cost for all.A class were a clever engineer or tuner can experement and show flair and parts bin raiding to get what you want but i would not feel guilty about using a cr125 big end bearing or a cr80 clutch Plates.
I to would want to see the s removed and the rest of the points cleared up.

I say we are all jackasses for being on the computer when we should be spending time on our bikes

Ps i do feel remorse for the coments mede about the shagging.But its was ment to be a slaging match thread wasn't it

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 09:01

if the interpretation is "any part made for a competition engine" then your crank is illegal :killingme

No it wouldn't be, because it is made for a MB100 which is a commuter bike engine

Yow Ling

19th June 2011, 09:31

While a little off topic , when I wanted to fit a RZ350 motor in my RD350 for pre82. I figured I was OK because the RZ350 had been shown at the Paris motor show in Oct 1982 (the cutoff is 31 dec 1982), fuck did I get the riot act read to me by guys in Auck who I never heard of, the "spirit of" catchall was trumpeted around and I gave up and put a LC engine in, the new rules now specifically exclude RZ350. Sometimes it just too hard to paddle upstream

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 11:33

No it wouldn't be, because it is made for a MB100 which is a commuter bike engine

so that mb100 isn't used in a compitition then ?

because if it is then it's a compitition engine :ar15: F4 is a compitition with real races and such

Dave D can beat me by more then 35 points (no PC bull shit here)

the rules say the only parts you can use are pistons cams valves exaust and ignitions

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 11:35

husaberg

19th June 2011, 11:51

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 13:00

the rules say the only parts you can use are pistons cams valves exhaust and ignitions

They don't say that at all, they say there is no restriction on those parts

so that mb100 isn't used in a compitition then ?

If you want to be like that, then yes it is a competition engine which now makes it ineligible for Buckets as no competition engines are allowed, we're all fucked

Show me the eligibility rules

But and Its a big but the bike wasn't in production until 83 and I bet the rules probabably state in production

The rules at the time stated "manufactured" before 31/12/82, it didn't say how many had to be manufactured and there was info on Yamaha Japans website which mentioned the ypvs bikes being in production in 1982

The NZPCRA got all upset and pissy about it hence they rule which specifically bans them

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 13:27

They don't say that at all, they say there is no restriction on those parts

If you want to be like that, then yes it is a competition engine which now makes it ineligible for Buckets as no competition engines are allowed, we're all fucked

yes they do. you can use parts from an rs125 (piston exaust cam and valves)

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally
aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or
supercharged.
F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm
carburettor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a
single 20mm carburettor.

my bucket engine was derived from a non-competition motocycle (now it is a competetion bike) :ar15:

it's the part where peopel keep saying that you arn't allowed parts made for a competetion engine

my engine is and I make parts for it (thats what bucketracers do)
and I cant find anywhere where it says I cant

husaberg

19th June 2011, 13:58

yes they do. you can use parts from an rs125 (piston exaust cam and valves)

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally
aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or
supercharged.
F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm
carburettor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a
single 20mm carburettor.

my bucket engine was derived from a non-competition motocycle (now it is a competetion bike) :ar15:

it's the part where peopel keep saying that you arn't allowed parts made for a competetion engine

my engine is and I make parts for it (thats what bucketracers do)
and I cant find anywhere where it says I cant

Agreed perhaps the place to ask is here ask the guys that said so in the first place.

QUOTE=speedpro;1130089144]This part of the rule clearly states that "parts" from "Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors" are not permitted

Originally Posted by F5 Dave
Perhaps refresh yourself with the rules on MNZ site. Parts are parts. If they come from competition engines then they aren't legal. Exception for pistons, ign, carb pipe.
So if one found a source of bearings that weren't specifically for a comp engine then that should be ok.

Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
I thought parts were ok just weren't allowed to use gearbox or competion based engines.
I would have thought a big end bearing was ok?

husaberg

19th June 2011, 14:06

so that mb100 isn't used in a compitition then ?

because if it is then it's a compitition engine :ar15:

derived from a on a competion bike is out derived from a comuter bike is ok?

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 14:12

This part of the rule clearly states that "parts" from "Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors" are not permitted

The problem is that it doesn't clearly state that at all

That S on the end of the word motor changes the whole rule from what it should be

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 14:29

The problem is that it doesn't clearly state that at all

That S on the end of the word motor changes the whole rule from what it should be

the intent is there
as they clearly state that some pars are ok . so would logically mean that other parts are not ok

"There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system"

gav

19th June 2011, 14:29

Fuck it, lets just update the rules properly.
Ban all two strokes ... carbon footprint and all that stuff :nya:

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 14:35

the intent is there
as they clearly state that some pars are ok . so would logically mean that other parts are not ok

"There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system"

I agree the intent is there but logic and intent have nothing to do with it, the rule has to be applied as it is written

Fuck it, lets just update the rules properly.

Just needs the "s" after the word motors removed, problem solved

gav

19th June 2011, 14:35

the intent is there
as they clearly state that some pars are ok . so would logically mean that other parts are not ok

"There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system"
You cant just quote part of the sentence ... you left off except for class eligibility
If competition engine parts are not allowed, doesn't that change things? Suddenly competition carbs, ignition, piston etc are not allowed as these are competition engine parts. Right?

Yow Ling

19th June 2011, 14:53

Show me the eligibility rules

But and Its a big but the bike wasn't in production until 83 and I bet the rules probabably state in production

There shall be three groups of Post Class road racing machines:

(B) Pre 82 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing
date of the Period 1972 class and before December 31st 1982.
(a) These rules are intended to ensure a high standard of authenticity and
presentation of the representative periods.
(b) All machines must comply with the safety and technical requirements as
detailed under chapters 8 & 10 of the MNZ manual.
(c) Later versions of the same models released (but not updated) eg Honda 750 K1-
K6 may be acceptable as eligible for Pre 72 when competing in a racing class.

There is the rules no mention of "in production"

husaberg

19th June 2011, 14:55

You cant just quote part of the sentence ... you left off except for class eligibility
If competition engine parts are not allowed, doesn't that change things? Suddenly competition carbs, ignition, piston etc are not allowed as these are competition engine parts. Right?

The except for class eligibility is clearing refering to the f4,f5 with air cooled and engine capacity .
I would sugest you never sign a contract without getting a lawyer to read it first for you because you clearly have trouble with what is a simple clear rules read wobblys post as i said before hes smarter than us both.

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:02

There shall be three groups of Post Class road racing machines:

(B) Pre 82 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing
date of the Period 1972 class and before December 31st 1982.
(a) These rules are intended to ensure a high standard of authenticity and
presentation of the representative periods.
(b) All machines must comply with the safety and technical requirements as
detailed under chapters 8 & 10 of the MNZ manual.
(c) Later versions of the same models released (but not updated) eg Honda 750 K1-
K6 may be acceptable as eligible for Pre 72 when competing in a racing class.

There is the rules no mention of "in production"

Well simple then if there is no other rule excluding the bike you wish to race a engine number verification from the imported or manufacturer stating this engine /bike was manufactured before the said date and bobs your uncle.The catch may be you may not be authentic for the era being a hybrib and I am sure there is a ruling where a technical commitee can exclude you somewhere later on in the rules
But really why not just a tz350 that would get up them

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:12

Im just reading as it is written *cough* Why include ignition, exhaust, cam, valve springs in that list? None of those items have any influence on the classes do they?

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally
aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or
supercharged.
F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm
carburettor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a
single 20mm carburettor.

The or and the for word here may seem Insucnificant but trust me this or is a real clincher in a legal sense.

The cooling system is a class distiction as is the carb size this bit was checked of by a lawyer trust me it smells of it reeks even.But I guess they droped the ball eariler on either that or it is a typo.Shit look at my spelling .

think how diferent it would be if the first bit in bold was motor or transmission parts it' then got a totally different meaning clever lawyers exploit these oversight but realy you would not need to be cleave to see this one thats why new laws take ages to process through the system they scap endlessly over this sort of detail.

Just for aguments sake can anyone find a old copy of the rules back from the 130.5cc days lets have a look at them.

jaffaonajappa

19th June 2011, 15:28

The cooling system is a class distiction as is the carb size this bit was checked of by a lawyer trust me it smells of it reeks even.But I guess they droped the ball eariler on either that or it is a typo.Shit look at my spelling .

think how diferent it would be if the first bit in bold was motor or transmission parts it' then got a totally different meaning clever lawyer exploit these oversight thats why new laws take ages to process through the system they scap endlessly over this sort of detail

The lawyers dont need to - you guys are doing this for them......is it just Me (A complete noob to racing or bucketing) or are you guys getting a bit too serious about interpretations of Bucket rules? This is not F1 after all. Werent buckets supposed to be cheap, home shed, FUN races?

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:30

The lawyers dont need to - you guys are doing this for them......is it just Me (A complete noob to racing or bucketing) or are you guys getting a bit too serious about interpretations of Bucket rules? This is not F1 after all. Werent buckets supposed to be cheap, home shed, FUN races?

The lawyer bit was for him because I wouldn't want him to sign anything if you follow my drift I do have a bridge for sale Gav just sign here
Sorry I couldn't resist it is in jest

it's not F1 But it is F4 and F5 yes it is that serious There's huge money at stake here Not

ps wheres you CV

jaffaonajappa

19th June 2011, 15:35

ps wheres you CV

Missus is still figuring out the delivery details.... bomb squads on stand by :)

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:42

Missus is still figuring out the delivery details.... bomb squads on stand by :)

Details I like the sound of that a drawing would be ok

bomb squad whats going to go off?
Moneys of couse is Negocible whats your best offer?:drool:

grantnz

19th June 2011, 15:56

The lawyers dont need to - you guys are doing this for them......is it just Me (A complete noob to racing or bucketing) or are you guys getting a bit too serious about interpretations of Bucket rules? This is not F1 after all. Werent buckets supposed to be cheap, home shed, FUN races?

Couldn't help myself, but just had to ask... is an RS125 frame, wheels, brakes and suspension, parts, or a collection of parts from a competition bike?

Going to dig a foxhole on the back lawn while I wait for the barage to arrive...

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:57

husaberg

19th June 2011, 15:58

Couldn't help myself, but just had to ask... is an RS125 frame, wheels, brakes and suspension, parts, or a collection of parts from a competition bike?

Going to dig a foxhole on the back lawn while I wait for the barage to arrive...

There must already a least 6 ( 2 in the south island 2 )of them that I know of mb100s and a 50 to and gp suzukis there a bit of work involved see ESE thread

Frames and runing gear open although I do think that is a crap rule myself its crap for afordability

Dave might not agree on that one

So yes you can use Mike doohans NSR500 Frame and running gear including carbon brakes if you want !

Lastly don't be a Wimp:laugh:, fox holes are for pussies:lol:, I just excaped a lynch mob, till that is sheriff Wobbly rode in and saved me Top bloke that

Yow Ling

19th June 2011, 17:08

Shit Just figured out there may be diesel pig pilots luking amongst us wonderHow long before they cotton on the fXR150 is 1/4 of a gsxr600 and turn up with ti rod and yos cams valves etc fcr carbs shit then we would be in the crap delete delete delete

bore and stroke are way different 600 is 67 bore and about -3mm stroke fxr has roller big end so rods not really anything like it. but i guess 600/4 is 150 so there is a similarity

husaberg

19th June 2011, 17:19

bore and stroke are way different 600 is 67 bore and about -3mm stroke fxr has roller big end so rods not really anything like it. but i guess 600/4 is 150 so there is a similarity

It was in jest but I bet suzuki doesn't reinvent the wheel with valves springs etc
note the akunar site sugests these engine go to 220cc plus and I have seen it quoted (Akunar that is)on the diesel pig site.Must admit I have never seen the inside of one of these. but I am guessing they would realate more back to the early gsxrs.

Suzuki GSX 600 F
Year: 1992

Displacement: 599.00 ccm (36.55 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four, four-stroke
Power: 86.00 HP (62.8 kW)) @ 11000 RPM
Top speed: 215.0 km/h (133.6 mph)
Compression: 11.3:1
Bore x stroke: 62.6 x 48.7 mm (2.5 x 1.9 inches)
Valves per cylinder: 4
Fuel control: DOHC
Cooling system: Air

Suzuki GSX-R 600 W
Year: 1992

Displacement: 600.00 ccm (36.61 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four, four-stroke
Power: 106.00 HP (77.4 kW)) @ 12600 RPM
Bore x stroke: 65.0 x 45.2 mm (2.6 x 1.8 inches)
Valves per cylinder: 4
Fuel system: Carburettor
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain

jasonu

19th June 2011, 17:20

Frames and runing gear open although I do think that is a crap rule myself its crap for afordability

Dave might not agree on that one

Not that expensive. I have pieced together a '95 RS125 roller for under a grand. With the right motor that chassis should remain competitive for a lot of years.

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 17:26

Not that expensive. I have pieced together a '95 RS125 roller for under a grand. With the right motor that chassis should remain competitive for a lot of years.

have been looking for a post 95 bike myself
or an rs tz 250 :2thumbsup

the pre 95 rs is a bit small but very nice to ride

husaberg

19th June 2011, 17:42

Not that expensive. I have pieced together a '95 RS125 roller for under a grand. With the right motor that chassis should remain competitive for a lot of years.

Bugger race suplies quoted me $2000 for a roller even then it wasn't complete
Mind you $1000 buys a lot of consumables I think my origional bucket cost less than $600 all up in 1992 dollars though I think the mb5 bike was $70 wobbled like a basdard though and I wasn't the porker that I am now.+22kg

husaberg

19th June 2011, 18:17

I agrea with you mike but

[QUOTE] Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
Crumbs, I go away from the PC & this all blows up.

Husaberg I didn't 'attack' you at all, I just suggested you read the rules, so many seem to just go on heresay.

Now at this point I will have to admit that every time I've looked at those rules I've never read them that way. Now I have to agree that the 's' does seem to be an anomaly. Else why would the rules mention exclusions for pistons carbs etc?

Should someone put that through to MNZ for an amendment? or as Wobbly says, you could use an RS barrel in an extreme case. Anyway I agree lets keep clear of squabbling, I don't come here for that.

It seems he don't come here to post this either why not dave?

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 18:22

husaberg

19th June 2011, 18:25

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 18:26

jasonu

19th June 2011, 18:30

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 18:32

If I wanted to say something real contraversial point me to the rule that excludes nitros oxide bearing in mind it's not a fuel it is an oxidiser
Whoops forget I said that!

I may be old, but I'm not fucking blind.

fuck off noddy we're the Premier class, come racing with us and we'll kick your arse until your nose bleeds, that's if you can even make it out of the pits without crashing old man :whistle:

Piss off Old Boy. Bet my VMX bike cost's less than most of these so called 'buckets'. And if I want to race it on dope, bet I'm allowed. Come and play in the mud instead mate.

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 18:33

SS150 is a major step DOWN from the better F4 buckets.

Whatever you say mate.

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 18:42

SS150 is a major step DOWN from the better F4 buckets.

yep

av blew all the ss150's away last year on a bucket
and she had started in the group after them :lol:

Buckets4Me

19th June 2011, 18:44

husaberg

19th June 2011, 18:48

SS150 is a major step DOWN from the better F4 buckets.

The rules are way to rigid too so little freedom:lol:

gav

19th June 2011, 18:51

but a lot of you cunts need to get over yourselves, and grow a set. You spend as much money on these 'buckets' (and does that name not stem from the term "buckets of shit"?), as most people that race 'non buckets'. Buy yourself a cheap 150 SS, or an F3 bike if you want to show us what an awesome engineer you are, and go to a real race track.

I appreciate where it all started, and how it was a fun low cost way to get your jollies. But it seems way too serious for the type of bikes you're riding now.
For a start, noddy, there is no need for that language on here. :tugger:
I pay the same licence fee, and race entry fees as other classes, so why shouldnt I take it seriously? I've raced in F3 with a ZXR400. 150SS too restrictive and too slow. Its why when we race a combined class, quite often its a bucket bike that finishes first, and yes, we run on the best race tracks in NZ, Ruapuna and Levels.
Buckets is the most active race class in NZ, get over it. And its the class that is providing the training for next group of NZ champions. Cam Jones, Alistair Hoogenboezen, Jake Lewis all current or ex NZ 125 champs.
Quality fields on quality bikes on decent tracks, what more could you want?

husaberg

19th June 2011, 18:54

I may be old, but I'm not fucking blind.

Sorry they missed it the first time

Piss off Old Boy. Bet my VMX bike cost's less than most of these so called 'buckets'. And if I want to race it on dope, bet I'm allowed. Come and play in the mud instead mate.

I guess the dope not just reserved for the fuel tank !

VMX I used to do that when i was a kid had a supermax 2 and a mongoose loved that movie to with Nicole Kidman what was it VMX Bandits got sick of the pedaling after a while though

Drug test this dude real quick

With your ecellent verbal skills and vocabulary not to mention people skills you could be the pr guy for the team see above on conditions of employment with jaffaonjappa

Yow Ling

19th June 2011, 18:54

I may be old, but I'm not fucking blind.

Piss off Old Boy. Bet my VMX bike cost's less than most of these so called 'buckets'. And if I want to race it on dope, bet I'm allowed. Come and play in the mud instead mate.

If we wanted to ride old chook chasers then we probably would. SS150 a beginner class with strict eligibility and machinery rules, buckets is a prototype class (like moto GP) on a full track buckets dont embarras themselves in front of SS150s. Down south Buckets run at street races, Levels , Teratonga and Ruapuna. How much you spend is up to you.

I hate cleaning my bikes, riding in mud would just make it worse

bucketracer

19th June 2011, 18:55

The thinking process of people who take perfectly good machinery and bash it about in the mud or spend a gazillion $$$ on a big boys road race bike that costs more than they can afford to run is unfathomable to me.

I can't understand why anyone would want to race anything other than a Bucket, close competitive racing and the opportunity to develop your bike to your own taste, Buckets has something for everyone.

gav

19th June 2011, 19:00

If I wanted to say something real contraversial point me to the rule that excludes nitros oxide bearing in mind it's not a fuel it is an oxidiser
Whoops forget I said that!

Is an engine using Nitrous still normally aspirated?

husaberg

19th June 2011, 19:03

Is an engine using Nitrous still normally aspirated?

yup it sure is Amazed the MNZ never cottoned on to that, They specifically exclude Nitromethane to

For the goods on DIY nitros google bugerman diy nitros excellent dude was the fat bugger who used to do the dyno for performance bikes hes a parapalegic now but still as a excellent outlook on life a real clever dude to has diy article on how to make your own dyno to.

gav

19th June 2011, 19:20

yup it sure is Amazed the MNZ never cottoned on to that, They specifically exclude Nitromethane to

For the goods on DIY nitros google bugerman diy nitros excellent dude was the fat bugger who used to do the dyno for performance bikes hes a parapalegic now but still as a excellent outlook on life a real clever dude to has diy article on how to make your own dyno to.

They specifically exclude Nitromethane to also mentions "and similar agents"
hmmm ....

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 19:23

For a start, noddy, there is no need for that language on here. :tugger:
I pay the same licence fee, and race entry fees as other classes, so why shouldnt I take it seriously? I've raced in F3 with a ZXR400. 150SS too restrictive and too slow. Its why when we race a combined class, quite often its a bucket bike that finishes first,

For a start, if you want to call me 'Noddy', you'll need a capital N. Secondly, if you'd like to call me a wanker, you'd better have a long look in the mirror first. If you knew me, you'd know that I use terms such as 'cunt' in a normal sentence, without any sting or malice. So, you see...if I say at the pub something like "You cunts need to get over yourselves", it's not really worth fuck all. I'm so sorry if my nasty lanuage upsets you.

Next. I'm stoked you've raced in F3 on a ZXR400. Better yet you've found 150SS too slow. It's awesome that you've modified a bike to beat some 150SS bikes because you found racing very similar bikes too restrictive. Pity though. Racing bikes with restrictions (as in...proddy racing) has actually produced NZ's best ever road racers. But what would I know?

All the best,

noddy.

I guess the dope not just reserved for the fuel tank !

Different sort of dope Sonny. Should've know'n such a term would be wasted on such a newbie.

If we wanted to ride old chook chasers then we probably would.

SS150 a beginner class with strict eligibility and machinery rules, buckets is a prototype class (like moto GP)

I hate cleaning my bikes, riding in mud would just make it worse

Maybe you should try it. There's way less bitching.

So SS150 is a beginner class...and then what...they move up to buckets?

Buckets and Moto GP in the same sentence...and I'm on dope?

I'll agree with your last sentence.

Kickaha

19th June 2011, 19:27

But what would I know?

Fuck all about Buckets it seems :finger: good job I aint back in welly for ages

jasonu

19th June 2011, 19:29

For a start, if you want to call me 'Noddy', you'll need a capital N. Secondly, if you'd like to call me a wanker, you'd better have a long look in the mirror first. If you knew me, you'd know that I use terms such as 'cunt' in a normal sentence, without any sting or malice. So, you see...if I say at the pub something like "You cunts need to get over yourselves", it's not really worth fuck all. I'm so sorry if my nasty lanuage upsets you.

Next. I'm stoked you've raced in F3 on a ZXR400. Better yet you've found 150SS too slow. It's awesome that you've modified a bike to beat some 150SS bikes because you found racing very similar bikes too restrictive. Pity though. Racing bikes with restrictions (as in...proddy racing) has actually produced NZ's best ever road racers. But what would I know?

All the best,

noddy.

Different sort of dope Sonny. Should've know'n such a term would be wasted on such a newbie.

Maybe you should try it. There's way less bitching.

So SS150 is a beginner class...and then what...they move up to buckets?

Buckets and Moto GP in the same sentence...and I'm on dope?

I'll agree with your last sentence.

What ever you say mate.

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 19:43

Fuck all about Buckets it seems :finger: good job I aint back in welly for ages

I don't want you guys and gals to think I'm not all for bucket racing, as I think it's great. But I think it's a sad day when it comes to the amount of bickering I see on this thread/site. Surely that's not what it's all about?

I've seen less bitching at National level in my time racing 'Production' classes.

husaberg

19th June 2011, 19:44

All the best,

noddy.

Different sort of dope Sonny. Should've know'n such a term would be wasted on such a newbie.

I know what Methanol is tastes like shit too even with the bread.Effective paint stipper to
I will repost this bit in large letter because you missed it last time.

PS I am probably older than you sonny jim sorry it's noddy right

I guess the dope not just reserved for the fuel tank !

VMX I used to do that when i was a kid had a supermax 2 and a mongoose loved that movie to with Nicole Kidman what was it VMX Bandits got sick of the pedaling after a while though

gav

19th June 2011, 19:49

So SS150 is a beginner class...and then what...they move up to buckets?

Buckets and Moto GP in the same sentence...and I'm on dope?

I'll agree with your last sentence.
Actually, noddy, all of the riders I mentioned have moved from 150SS to buckets down here. All 3 Hoogie boys have raced 150SS, as has Cam and Dom Jones, Nick Cain, Jake Lewis as well, even Dennis Charlett was out there not so long ago ... wonder why they bother, huh?
Come down to Chch and we'll get you a FXR to race, being such a legend you'll have no problem dominating the field ... :killingme

husaberg

19th June 2011, 19:49

They specifically exclude Nitromethane to also mentions "and similar agents"
hmmm ....

The nitromethane and Nitros Oxide similar not even close
As I said it is not a fuel it is an oxidiser.:chase:

husaberg

19th June 2011, 19:50

Actually, noddy,
Come down to Chch and we'll get you a FXR to race, being such a legend you'll have no problem dominating the field ... :killingme

Can he drive a tractor?

gav

19th June 2011, 19:50

I don't want you guys and gals to think I'm not all for bucket racing, as I think it's great. But I think it's a sad day when it comes to the amount of bickering I see on this thread/site. Surely that's not what it's all about?

I've seen less bitching at National level in my time racing 'Production' classes.
Hullo? Its a Bucket forum, ffs ... what else we gonna bicker about?? :lol:

And noddy, I doubt the internet was invented when you were racing 'Production' classes, hehehe.

husaberg

19th June 2011, 19:54

Hullo? Its a Bucket forum, ffs ... what else we gonna bicker about?? :lol:

And noddy, .

Sure isn't the race prize money or the umbrela girls

jasonu

19th June 2011, 20:02

The nitromethane and Nitros Oxide similar not even close
As I said it is not a fuel it is an oxidiser.:chase:

Doesn't the rule say something about additives not being allowed (except for 2 stroke oil of course).
The rules used to specify pump gas only until in the mid 90's when NZ started importing shit petrol from Singapore and half the bikes including mine wouldn't run properly so the use of Avgas was then allowed.

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 20:12

Come down to Chch and we'll get you a FXR to race, being such a legend you'll have no problem dominating the field ... :killingme

Oh I see. Not sure I remember saying anywhere I was a legend. But I now see your main issue 'gav'.

jasonu

19th June 2011, 20:15

Hullo? Its a Bucket forum, ffs ... what else we gonna bicker about?? :lol:

Bickering in the internet is half, or in my case almost all the fun.

husaberg

19th June 2011, 20:25

Doesn't the rule say something about additives not being allowed (except for 2 stroke oil of course).
The rules used to specify pump gas only until in the mid 90's when NZ started importing shit petrol from Singapore and half the bikes including mine wouldn't run properly so the use of Avgas was then allowed.

Your looking in the fuel rules.

Nitros oxide is not a fuel it is a oxidiser

husaberg

19th June 2011, 20:28

Real men do VMX.
I love VMX too forgive the paraphrasing noddy
VMX I used to do that when i was a kid had a supermax 2 and a mongoose loved that movie to with Nicole Kidman what was it VMX Bandits got sick of the pedaling after a while though

jasonu

19th June 2011, 20:31

Your looking in the fuel rules.

Nitros oxide is not a fuel it is a oxidiser

But it IS an additive. Do the bucket rules make mention of any additive restrictions? They used to.

gav

19th June 2011, 20:34

But it IS an additive. Do the bucket rules make mention of any additive restrictions? They used to.

24.2.5 Fuel: See 10.17.1
Alcohol based fuel or fuel additives are prohibited

husaberg

19th June 2011, 20:38

24.2.5 Fuel: See 10.17.1
Alcohol based fuel or fuel additives are prohibited

Its not a fuel aditive its an oxidiser

ie not fuel related

it adds extra oxygen with nitrogen to buffet the reaction no fuel although if you don't add extra fuel watch out
should get mnz to fix this one before anyone does use it

jasonu

19th June 2011, 20:49

Its not a fuel aditive its an oxidiser

ie not fuel related

it adds extra oxygen with nitrogen to buffet the reaction no fuel although if you don't add extra fuel watch out
should get mnz to fix this one before anyone does use it
I know what it does but if you add it to the fuel then surely that makes it a fuel additive.

ac3_snow

19th June 2011, 21:11

I know what it does but if you add it to the fuel then surely that makes it a fuel additive.

But they forgot the extra 's' so its all good!!:lol:

husaberg

19th June 2011, 21:21

I know what it does but if you add it to the fuel then surely that makes it a fuel additive.

Ok if I added water to a fuel tank is that fuel

bearing in mind we do'nt add no2 to the fuel or fuel tank anyway in a technical sense

tell you what find a technical paper tha specifically lists nitros oxide as a fuel additive and not an oxidser and I will shout you a chocolate fish and futhermore I will fillet myself as I used to be a chocolate fish filliter at cadbury I was damn good to when was the last time you found a bone in one

Edited later Bugger I owe you a chocolate fish wikipedia screwed me big time

I beg progiveness from the court maybe time to take an aside with the judge.

Quote wikipedia Fuel additives in general
Ether and other flammable hydrocarbons have been used extensively as starting fluid for many difficult-to-start engines, especially diesel engines
Nitrous oxide, or simply nitrous, is an oxidizer used in auto racing

Bugger I was having fun to
hold the press just bothered to read the rules the technical rules exclude nitromethane and similar agents there is no use of the word additive
you may have to wait for the fish a bit yet

husaberg

19th June 2011, 21:36

But they forgot the extra 's' so its all good!!:lol:

they did use or thou

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 22:39

Get a grip. Notice how there are no chicks bitching on this thread..even though they race buckets?

Fags.

gatch

19th June 2011, 22:50

I can't understand why anyone would want to race anything other than a Bucket.

That's like saying you would turn down a 3 way with Scarlet Johansen and Jessica Biel because it would be too much fun..

Get a grip.

Waaaaay ahead of you man..

Crasherfromwayback

19th June 2011, 23:08

Waaaaay ahead of you man..

No one has ever been waaaaay ahead of me mate.

jasonu

20th June 2011, 05:39

tell you what find a technical paper tha specifically lists nitros oxide as a fuel additive and not an oxidser and I will shout you a chocolate fish and futhermore I will fillet myself as I used to be a chocolate fish filliter at cadbury I was damn good to when was the last time you found a bone in one

Tell you what, in full view of the pits and officials at the next bucket meeting use/put/pour/add some no2 to your bike. Tell everyone about it and then get better than your usual results and NOT be protested so the results stand and I will mail you a bag of Tims Wasabi kettle chips (the best chips I have ever had).

Looking forward to the chokky fish, haven't had one for years...

gav

20th June 2011, 06:59

Ok if I added water to a fuel tank is that fuel

bearing in mind we do'nt add no2 to the fuel or fuel tank anyway in a technical sense

tell you what find a technical paper tha specifically lists nitros oxide as a fuel additive and not an oxidser and I will shout you a chocolate fish and futhermore I will fillet myself as I used to be a chocolate fish filliter at cadbury I was damn good to when was the last time you found a bone in one

Edited later Bugger I owe you a chocolate fish wikipedia screwed me big time

I beg progiveness from the court maybe time to take an aside with the judge.

Bugger I was having fun to
hold the press just bothered to read the rules the technical rules exclude nitromethane and similar agents there is no use of the word additive
you may have to wait for the fish a bit yet

Seeing you didnt see it first time I posted it, here it is again ...
24.2.5 Fuel: See 10.17.1
Alcohol based fuel or fuel additives are prohibited

husaberg

20th June 2011, 07:01

Get a grip. Notice how there are no chicks bitching on this thread..even though they race buckets?

I surprised you noticed .although trudes is a chick and i see a post from here

[QUOTE]That's like saying you would turn down a 3 way with Scarlet Johansen and Jessica Biel because it would be too much fun..

why ya still lurking around here then noddy
I think your idea of a 3 way involves Justin timberlake and ryan renoylds that why fags were always traditionaly called dirt track riders.

husaberg

20th June 2011, 07:06

Seeing you didnt see it first time I posted it, here it is again ...
24.2.5 Fuel: See 10.17.1
Alcohol based fuel or fuel additives are prohibited

Go big Chasherfromwayback likes his boys posts big

It is neither alcohol based or a fuel additive well it could be bloody wikipedia I think what copy of the rules you looking a i am in the technical rule section MNZ

gav

20th June 2011, 07:09

errr Chapter 24 ... Mini Road Racing ...

Moooools

20th June 2011, 07:44

I know what it does but if you add it to the fuel then surely that makes it a fuel additive.

What about premix oil and fuel then. You add oil to your fuel don't you? A fuel additive?

I say ban oil use in two strokes.:lol:

jasonu

20th June 2011, 10:25

From the rule book.

10.17.1 The following classes shall be restricted to petrol having maximum
characteristics not exceeding “Avgas or Unleaded FIM” as defined in Appendix
E. Motocross, Stadium/Supercross, Miniature TT, Trials, Enduro, Cross Country,
ATV, Stockbike, Solo, All Road Race classes except those classes listed in
10.17.2 and 10.17.3. All Mini and Junior classes

10.17.4 NOTE: Nitro methane and similar agents are prohibited in all classes of racing

Now I'm no chemist but one would think the addition of NOS would change the maximum characteristics of the base petrol to above those of "avgas or Unleaded FIM" Even if this assumption is not correct I am pretty sure you would have a hard time convinceing any official otherwise.

Anyone for chocolate Fish MMMMMMMMM

koba

20th June 2011, 11:44

If I wanted to say something real contraversial point me to the rule that excludes nitros oxide bearing in mind it's not a fuel it is an oxidiser
Whoops forget I said that!

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=28927

Your interpretation might not match MNZ's but it's their one that counts.

Just to save the big read, here is relevant conclusion:

Conclusion

[16] As indicated above, the Board hereby determines that Nitro Oxide constitutes a “similar agent” for the purposes of Rule 10-17-4. Its use is therefore prohibited in all classes of racing, including for land speed record attempts.

[17] Rule 10-17-3 also applies to land speed record attempts.

koba

20th June 2011, 11:49

I don't want you guys and gals to think I'm not all for bucket racing, as I think it's great. But I think it's a sad day when it comes to the amount of bickering I see on this thread/site. Surely that's not what it's all about?

I've seen less bitching at National level in my time racing 'Production' classes.

It all stems from one idiot making a fool of himself. That happens anywhere, even the local bowls club.

Wanna come have a crack on the bucket sometime?

Crasherfromwayback

20th June 2011, 12:00

It all stems from one idiot making a fool of himself. That happens anywhere, even the local bowls club.

Wanna come have a crack on the bucket sometime?

That much is true.

Nah, my days of road racing are well over. I'm too fat to get into my leathers, and I hate getting my arse whipped anyway!

koba

20th June 2011, 12:17

That much is true.

Nah, my days of road racing are well over. I'm too fat to get into my leathers, and I hate getting my arse whipped anyway!

Fair enough!

Crasherfromwayback

20th June 2011, 12:26

Fair enough!

I don't bounce too good now days either...

bogan

20th June 2011, 12:28

So have they updated the rules for electrics yet? maybe by the time they get put through I'll have something ready :killingme

Also, is there a limit to customization levels? like if one were to get a legal engine barrel, then fabricate the fuck out of everything else, and re-bore/line the barrel too for good measure, surely that wouldn't be legal?
(may have been covered already, but I don't have my waders on)

jasonu

20th June 2011, 12:44

Sounds like someone owes me some chocolate fish.
Address pm'd

husaberg

20th June 2011, 17:14

Sounds like someone owes me some chocolate fish.
Address pm'd

Bugger defeat sure tastes sour

Fish will be forthcoming freshly filleted.

Why didn't he say it was and oxidiser

From what I understand he is a very good looking bloke as well

Trouble is when you say stuff just to get someones back up it's bound to bite you on the arse giving enough time.

At least it looks like the rules for the parts should be cleaned up so I have achieved something other than winding up Mike and Dave.
Did anyone find out whar speedpros rod was ?

speedpro

20th June 2011, 18:16

No, and they aren't going to. It's a key ingrediant. Everyone else is going to have to trawl catalogues, or web sites now, to find their own rod. Mind you it's near pointless unless you're planning a motor like mine.

Buddha#81

20th June 2011, 18:44

Buckets4Me

20th June 2011, 19:51

stink.....everyone has kissed and made up, this thread was the highlight of my evening......wankers!!!!:lol: I like the thought of banning two stroke oil as a fuel additive..... let see Team ESE fettle their way out of that one!:lol:

it's not a fuel additive it's IT'S umm aha .

NO PLEASE NOOO!!!!!!!!:(

just checked Wikipedia and it dosent mention oil as an additive so E.S.E is safe :lol:

Additives

Hybrid compound blends

Combustion catalyst (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Combustion_catalyst&action=edit&redlink=1): an organometallic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organometallic) compound which lowers the ignition point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_point) of fuel in the combustion chamber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion_chamber) reducing the temperature burn from 1200 degrees to 800 degree F
Catalyst (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalyst) additives prolongs engine life and increases fuel economy
Burn rate modifier (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burn_rate_modifier&action=edit&redlink=1) increases the fuel burn time, resulting in an increased fuel efficiency
Polymerization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerization) increases fuel ignition surface area resulting in increased power from ignition
Stabilizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gasoline_stabilizer&action=edit&redlink=1)/demulsifier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demulsifier)/dispersant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersant): prolongs life of fuel and prevents water contamination
Corrosion inhibitor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion_inhibitor) prevents corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion) of tank and fuel system
Deposit control additives (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deposit_control_additive&action=edit&redlink=1), acting as detergents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detergent), clean the engine

Oxygenates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygenate)

Alcohols:

Methanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol) (MeOH)
Ethanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol) (EtOH)
Isopropyl alcohol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol) (IPA)
n-butanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Butanol) (BuOH)
Gasoline grade t-butanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tert-Butanol) (GTBA)

Ethers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether):

Methyl tert-butyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_tert-butyl_ether) (MTBE) Now outlawed in many states for road use.
Tertiary amyl methyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_amyl_methyl_ether) (TAME)
Tertiary hexyl methyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tertiary_hexyl_methyl_ether&action=edit&redlink=1) (THEME)
Ethyl tertiary butyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETBE) (ETBE)
Tertiary amyl ethyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tertiary_amyl_ethyl_ether&action=edit&redlink=1) (TAEE)
Diisopropyl ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisopropyl_ether) (DIPE)

Antioxidants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant), stabilizers

Butylated hydroxytoluene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butylated_hydroxytoluene) (BHT)
2,4-Dimethyl-6-tert-butylphenol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dimethyl-6-tert-butylphenol)
2,6-Di-tert-butylphenol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,6-Di-tert-butylphenol) (2,6-DTBP)
p-Phenylenediamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-Phenylenediamine)
Ethylene diamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_diamine)

Antiknock agents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiknock_agent)

Tetra-ethyl lead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra-ethyl_lead)
Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylcyclopentadienyl_manganese_tricarbonyl) (MMT)
Ferrocene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocene)
Iron pentacarbonyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pentacarbonyl)
Toluene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene)
Isooctane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isooctane)
Triptane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triptane)

Lead scavengers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavenger_%28chemistry%29) (for leaded gasoline)

Tricresyl phosphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricresyl_phosphate) (TCP) (also an AW additive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AW_additive) and EP additive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EP_additive))
1,2-Dibromoethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,2-Dibromoethane)
1,2-Dichloroethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,2-Dichloroethane)

Fuel dyes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dyes), most common:

Solvent Red 24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Red_24)
Solvent Red 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Red_26)
Solvent Yellow 124 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Yellow_124)
Solvent Blue 35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_Blue_35)

Fuel additives in general

Ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether) and other flammable hydrocarbons have been used extensively as starting fluid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_fluid) for many difficult-to-start engines, especially diesel engines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine)
Nitrous oxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide), or simply nitrous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous), is an oxidizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizer) used in auto racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing)
Nitromethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitromethane), or "nitro," is a high-performance racing fuel
Acetone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone) is a vaporization additive, mainly used with methanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol) racing fuel to improve vaporisation at start up
Butyl rubber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyl_rubber) (as polyisobutylene succinimide, detergent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detergent) to prevent fouling of diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) fuel injectors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injector))
Picrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picrate) improves combustion, increases fuel mileage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_mileage)
Silicone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone) is an anti-foaming agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-foaming_agent) for diesel fuel, but may damage oxygen sensors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_sensor) in gasoline engines
Tetranitromethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetranitromethane) can increase the cetane number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetane_number) of diesel fuel, improving its combustion properties

Buckets4Me

20th June 2011, 20:11

stink.....everyone has kissed and made up, this thread was the highlight of my evening......wankers!!!!:lol: I like the thought of banning two stroke oil as a fuel additive..... let see Team ESE fettle their way out of that one!:lol:

just for you we have a pic of some bucket fun

241173 now why would you ban 2 stroke oil ? when you could have this sort of fun

Kickaha

20th June 2011, 20:16

now why would you ban 2 stroke oil ? when you could have this sort of fun

That crash was probably Gods punishment for riding the stinky two strokes

sidwyz

20th June 2011, 20:20

the guy on the ground Wawrick is Barry Fane.

TZ350

20th June 2011, 20:22

I like the thought of banning two stroke oil as a fuel additive..... let see Team ESE fettle their way out of that one!:lol:

Direct oil Injection, working on it now..................

The idea is to use a case pulse diaphragm pump and adjustable needle valve from a model aero engine carb to meter the oil.

Some oil will be feed directly to the bearings the rest to a hole in the cylinder just under the exhaust port to lube the piston.

Kickaha

20th June 2011, 20:29

the guy on the ground Wawrick is Barry Fane.

Looking at that he should have stuck with Sidecars

koba

20th June 2011, 20:47

just for you we have a pic of some bucket fun

241173 now why would you ban 2 stroke oil ? when you could have this sort of fun

Fantastic Photo!!!

richban

20th June 2011, 20:51

Fantastic Photo!!!

I like how the guy on the ground still has his hand on the bars. Its like he's thinking. "if i pull in the clutch she might not stall, I'm still in this"

Henk

20th June 2011, 21:05

I saw that lot unfold in front of me about three years ago, wasn't that funny at the time. I know Barry was out of action for quite a while, he's given it away now, sold his bike to Javawocky about three weeks ago.

jaffaonajappa

20th June 2011, 21:05

Fantastic Photo!!!

Awesome, two AX100's.....one of them the airborne variety.

How old is the pic....and where abouts are they from?

jaffaonajappa

20th June 2011, 21:07

koba

20th June 2011, 21:10

Henk

20th June 2011, 21:19

Wait. Thats my bike on the ground? Was he injured....?

Wocki?. LOL.

Oops, Javawocky was the guy that turned up for a play on the club hack the meeting before. Apologies, can only blame it on early onset alzheimers, and the fact that Koba made me kill off a few more braincells over the weekend.

husaberg

20th June 2011, 21:38

stink.....everyone has kissed and made up, this thread was the highlight of my evening......wankers!!!!:lol: I like the thought of banning two stroke oil as a fuel additive..... let see Team ESE fettle their way out of that one!:lol:

I havn't made up with dave thou he said me mate mike was a cheat sorry........:laugh:

With the world going all green now and I worry about the enviroment and all that even though I am a true feral inbred rednecked yokel
I have asked the local green party MP to table a law that says all competition engines must use renewable fuel

biodesiel for the tractors (fxrs)
and ethanol for the two stroke with castor oil is all natural to for the lube

Trouble is, I don't think he was aware I was joking:lol:should solve the cooling issues for the air cooled 125 2 stroke two and good for the enviroment to

koba

20th June 2011, 21:53

Oops, Javawocky was the guy that turned up for a play on the club hack the meeting before. Apologies, can only blame it on early onset alzheimers, and the fact that Koba made me kill off a few more braincells over the weekend.

Oi! I hardly had to twist your arm, you strange creatures drove all the way from Auckland to get those braincells killed!

husaberg

20th June 2011, 21:55

Sounds like someone owes me some chocolate fish.
Address pm'd

On the subject of fuel there used to be a passage in the old rules somewhere that said a little acetone was ok for premix two strokes is it still there i wonder.....

Henk

20th June 2011, 22:06

Oi! I hardly had to twist your arm, you strange creatures drove all the way from Auckland to get those braincells killed!

I refuse to take responsibility for my own actions, and Ray wasn't there, so it's your fault.

koba

20th June 2011, 22:09

I refuse to take responsibility for my own actions, and Ray wasn't there, so it's your fault.

Oh, ok.

husaberg, apologies for hijacking you thread to talk about piss drinking.
If it makes you feel better we have been hijacking other threads to talk about piss drinking too.

gav

20th June 2011, 22:15

Oh, ok.

husaberg, apologies for hijacking you thread to talk about piss drinking.
If it makes you feel better we have been hijacking other threads to talk about piss drinking too.
Meh, it makes more sense than most the other posts in this thread! :beer:

husaberg

20th June 2011, 22:17

Oh, ok.

husaberg, apologies for hijacking you thread to talk about piss drinking.
If it makes you feel better we have been hijacking other threads to talk about piss drinking too.

No worries my interests go way beyond shit stirring mud slinging sexist remarks and include sadism shit like this this is great

I also do most of my posts under the influence to

Henk

20th June 2011, 22:27

Oh, ok.

husaberg, apologies for hijacking you thread to talk about piss drinking.
If it makes you feel better we have been hijacking other threads to talk about piss drinking too.

What he said. For a minute there I forgot that KB isn't just a big bucket of random.

husaberg

20th June 2011, 22:32

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=28927

Your interpretation might not match MNZ's but it's their one that counts.

Just to save the big read, here is relevant conclusion:

bloody party poopers the MNZ what do they know about chemistry

do you have a copy of the origional rules the old 130.5cc and 100cc 2 stroke ones interesting to see where the s got added I only happened to see it a couple of months ago in the new rules

husaberg

20th June 2011, 22:39

It all stems from one idiot making a fool of himself. That happens anywhere, even the local bowls club.

"only one idiot really"
come on I can count at least 10 of them
but I've got my socks on there could be more.

And I object to the bowls comment I haven't played bowls for years.
I was thrown out for oggling the chicks to much

koba

21st June 2011, 07:23

"only one idiot really"
come on I can count at least 10 of them
but I've got my socks on there could be more.

And I object to the bowls comment I haven't played bowls for years.
I was thrown out for oggling the chicks to much

Oh we ARE all idiots, I just meant there was only one stirring shit.

Mmmm, bowls chicks!:lol:

koba

21st June 2011, 07:24

do you have a copy of the origional rules the old 130.5cc and 100cc 2 stroke ones interesting to see where the s got added I only happened to see it a couple of months ago in the new rules

Don't have any that old. will have a look for the oldest I do have.

bucketracer

21st June 2011, 19:42

Buckets4Me

21st June 2011, 20:17

http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=28927

[10] The Board agrees that where there are words in a Rule that are ambiguous, vague or uncertain, it should take a ‘purposive’ approach to their interpretation. The question therefore becomes one of identifying the purpose of a Rule.

Common sense ..............

so some parts are allowed (cam valves piston exaust) the other parts must then be considered disallowed .

Logic :killingme

and for the choclate fish award
[16] As indicated above, the Board hereby determines that Nitro Oxide constitutes a “similar agent” for the purposes of Rule 10-17-4. Its use is therefore prohibited in all classes of racing, including for land speed record attempts.

husaberg

21st June 2011, 21:22

and for the choclate fish award
[16] As indicated above, the Board hereby determines that Nitro Oxide constitutes a “similar agent” for the purposes of Rule 10-17-4. Its use is therefore prohibited in all classes of racing, including for land speed record attempts.

Sorry dude prize already claimed Jason has already laid claim go back 2 or 3 pages As he lived in the USA I think I am going to be paying big time of what was off the cuff remark I had to post 3 times before anyone twigged if you had a look you would see I have already conceded defeat swallowed by pride and begged for forgivness and moved on to lusting after octogenarians, This shit storm while fun started because Dave and Speedpro both assumed I was some idiot who had never read the rules and even when I tried to get them to stop for a minute to read them as they were written Shit I knoe what the rules were intended to say and even tried to piont that out the spirit of the rules and all but everyone just jumped in a started slinging shit 'Well I am a bit of a hothead so when in Rome. Well I shit kicked back and even when Wobbly waded in got them to actually read the rules I am still the villain well I Shit have got a thick skin and don't mind a joke .But when push comes to shove it seams there is a few who can sling it but when it comes back they get all uptight well get over it I have.
Speedpro has fussed up Dave is claiming (yeah right) he never said you weren't allowed to use parts made for or from completion engines. Its all sorted. I just want a copy of the old 100cc 2 stroke and 125cc four stroke rules so we can see where the cock up started I think the office lady added a s by mistake .But the ruling made for by the mnz on nitrous was flawed from the start as the appellant should have used the oxidizer ruling that is the rub of the matter he was doomed before he even started but yes they have created a precedence with their ruling. I can live with that. but simply if the guy had have been serious about the matter he should have appealed on the grounds that they offered no technical explanation to how it was similar and the scientific and technical qualifications of the advice the technical committee undertook. I am guessing they would come up thin. But at the end of the day they make the rules they are the sole judge and jury.

gav

21st June 2011, 21:48

bloody party poopers the MNZ what do they know about chemistry

do you have a copy of the origional rules the old 130.5cc and 100cc 2 stroke ones interesting to see where the s got added I only happened to see it a couple of months ago in the new rules
OK found a rule book from 01/02 season, the 2 stroke 125 limit was 130.5cc and 4 strokes was 140cc.
The S in question is in place in these rules, ie motors and trans parts ...

husaberg

21st June 2011, 22:02

OK found a rule book from 01/02 season, the 2 stroke 125 limit was 130.5cc and 4 strokes was 140cc.
The S in question is in place in these rules, ie motors and trans parts ...

Weird

I think me old man would have a copy of the origional rules hes a horder from way back .He likes his bikes too. he and a couple of mates started a little old street race round here been going 21 years now.I missed the first one but made it for the second,and raced at a lot after that until. I brought my first farm and and now I am famous I should make a comeback. I bet I am faster now than i remember I was ......Yeah Right . My eldest boy's doing Mx now and my daughters going to follow soon . The boy has already won more throphy's now at 7, than I won in 10 years of racing and he's a real midget too. the buggers better at rugby league than i wasx too., but don't tell him that.

jaffaonajappa

21st June 2011, 22:06

Sorry dude prize already claimed Jason has

Was a typo im guessing......reckon he meant the chocolate STAR fish award.

husaberg

21st June 2011, 22:12

Was a typo im guessing......reckon he meant the chocolate STAR fish award.

jaffa do you know what the definition of a a expert is, and do you know what a camel is that have something in common

jaffaonajappa

21st June 2011, 22:36

jaffa do you know what the definition of a a expert is, and do you know what a camel is that have something in common

Without meaning to get Toooo personal.....I have trouble reading what you type. Engarish please.

husaberg

21st June 2011, 22:40

Without meaning to get Toooo personal.....I have trouble reading what you type. Engarish please.

nasty dude nasty that hurts:weep: spell checks for pussies anyway

An expert is a drip under pressure or alternatively a idiot more than 100 kilometer from home and a camel is of course a horse designed by committee.

koba

22nd June 2011, 19:41

nasty dude nasty that hurts:weep: spell checks for pussies anyway

An expert is a drip under pressure or alternatively a idiot more than 100 kilometer from home and a camel is of course a horse designed by committee.

A Spurt is a drip under pressure.

X is an unknown Quantity.

husaberg

22nd June 2011, 21:24

A Spurt is a drip under pressure.

X is an unknown Quantity.

y o y o y o y r u o I c y ..x=10x10......10x10 = y u r x = 100 km:rolleyes:y=?

x = distance in this case

y u r 10x10 km Y

gatch

24th June 2011, 16:17

why ya still lurking around here then noddy
I think your idea of a 3 way involves Justin timberlake and ryan renoylds that why fags were always traditionaly called dirt track riders.

Because I ride/race big bikes AND I have a bucket, you mildly retarded homo-erotic troglodyte.

husaberg

24th June 2011, 17:11

Because I ride/race big bikes AND I have a bucket, you mildly retarded homo-erotic troglodyte.

I think you may find the quote was refering to the chrasher from way back hense the noddy bit but I suppose it is a compliement you only consider me mildly retarded
you are far more generous in you opinion than I am.:banana:

jaffaonajappa

24th June 2011, 17:32

you only consider me mildly retarded

I dont. Mildly doesnt come into it :)

husaberg

24th June 2011, 18:30

I dont. Mildly doesnt come into it :)

Opinions may vary, But there is only one that counts I supose.

And thats F5Daves,:girlfight:

F5dave Says Speedpro can use what ever rod he likes in his bucket. I agree:nya:

Dave also says he uses a cr80 one in his mb5 he said it was the bearing is the same part number MB5 or cr80:weird:

The weird thing is I can't find a seperate big end bearing Honda for the mb5 honda don't seem to list a big bearing for the MB5 only a complete crank mmmmmm.....
I wonder:dodge:
I do realise that the cr80 ac one will fit though.

let the games begin

husaberg

24th June 2011, 20:47

Because I ride/race big bikes AND I have a bucket, you mildly retarded homo-erotic troglodyte.

hay who are you attacking here

F5 Dave

25th June 2011, 02:51

. . . and yet I'm not playing. Especially when I seem to be saying a lot of stuff out of context.

Think you'll find Honda discontinued a lot of spares for older bikes because they are kunts.

[unsubscribe]

Grumph

25th June 2011, 05:46

Aw jeez dave you're taking all the fun out of reading this thread....

FWIW TKRJ list a rod kit for the MB100 - and list the bigend bearing separate too.
Whether you'd want one of their "clank pins" I'm not sure....

husaberg

25th June 2011, 09:04

. . . And yet i'm not playing. Especially when i seem to be saying a lot of stuff out of context.

Think you'll find honda discontinued a lot of spares for older bikes because they are kunts.

[unsubscribe]
Whilst I agree with this and back when I worked at a large Honda dealership someone once built a complete Honda Dream form New old stock parts. Sadly this could not happen now and Honda readily discontinue parts now rather than the old policy of always making spares for any bike they ever made.
But please clear up these bits below because I can't understand how it can be right for you to use a cr80 big end but no one else to.

f5dave
my only point is that to be bucket legal these must be non competition parts. Sometimes you get lucky & there are road bikes that have good design cages in the sizes you want. Suzuki bearings don't seem to be that flash, at least on their older models. The mb bearing has been upgraded several times & is actually the same part as used on cr80s. However i am no expert on available sizes out there for common bikes

Dave ....Dave are you there Dave...
thought not

originally posted by husaberg
i thought parts were ok just weren't allowed to use gearbox or competion based engines.
I would have thought a big end bearing was ok?
Perhaps refresh yourself with the rules on mnz site. Parts are parts. If they come from competition engines then they aren't legal. Exception for pistons, ign, carb pipe.
so if one found a source of bearings that weren't specifically for a comp engine then that should be ok.

f5dave
crumbs, i go away from the pc & this all blows up.

Husaberg i didn't 'attack' you at all, i just suggested you read the rules, so many seem to just go on heresay.

Now at this point i will have to admit that every time i've looked at those rules i've never read them that way. Now i have to agree that the 's' does seem to be an anomaly. Else why would the rules mention exclusions for pistons carbs etc?

Should someone put that through to mnz for an amendment? Or as wobbly says, you could use an rs barrel in an extreme case.

Anyway i agree lets keep clear of squabbling, i don't come here for that.

F5Dave As far as Speedpro cheating -I have to say I never inferred that, I've pretty much known how he has built his engine for quite some time, as he does mine & there isn't anything queer in it I am aware of, just some carefully considered engineering.

I
Speedpro
it's really fucking annoying being accused of cheating. To clarify - my big end pin is custom made by Heat Treatments. It has 20mm ends, a 22mm centre which is offset .75mm, and it is the same length as a standard MB100 pin. My MB100 crankshaft is modified to take the 1mm wider big end of the rod I selected out of the catalogue at Pete's. It may fit a competition engine but it wasn't listed as a rod for one. It was selected for it's dimensions in particular the 105mm centre-centre measurement. The big end bearing came with the rod as did the thrust washers. The little end is one I chose also for it's dimensions, it could fit any number of engines and was not listed as a replacement part for any particular engine. The piston is KT100, the little end pin is MB100 as are the circlips. The rings, and you have me here I think, are KT100. As they aren't one of the listed items that are "open" then I suppose I am cheating. Though, being allowed to use a piston but not the associated rings would seem to defeat the benefit of using the piston so typically I assume the intention of the rule would be to allow the matching rings to be used.
The problem is the intention of the rule and the way it has been interpreted by everybody until now and the exact wording which allows an alternative interpretation. If you are a bucket racer you know what the rules are. It may not be written perfectly but everybody knows what is meant and plays by the rules. Everybody I know and respect anyway.
My engine stroke is 1.5mm less than an MB100 due to the .75mm offset pin and has a 52.2mm bore. You can do the maths yourself. As if I'd build an engine and not know the capacity of it.

Yow Ling

25th June 2011, 11:40

husaberg

25th June 2011, 13:25

This is getting a bit painfull, my understanding of the rules is this:

If you think somebody is cheating, find $100 go see the head shirang and protest, otherwise shut the fuck up.

If you think the rules are wrong write to MNZ

I think everyone is happy except Husaburg

Meowllllll I am happy as.
But Daves gone a bit quiet, Speedpro won't play either.
The misses want's to know why I am mailing chocolate to the USA though.

Buckets4Me

25th June 2011, 15:59

This is getting a bit painfull, my understanding of the rules is this:

If you think somebody is cheating, find $100 go see the head shirang and protest, otherwise shut the fuck up.

that would be a wasted $100 go read the rules on submitting a protest :killingme:lol: :nya:

but I do think you are on to something
maby they should put up or shut up ( I dont think either is cheating )

Meowllllll I am happy as.
But Daves gone a bit quiet, Speedpro won't play either.
The misses want's to know why I am mailing chocolate to the USA though.

and mailing fish to the states dosen't count
and you would actualy have to race buckets to make a protest
so I dont think we will get anywhere

I was only going fishing with this thread
and managed to catch an 11+ pager
now hows that

next I'm going to bag some motorbike shop and see how I get on :p

jasonu

25th June 2011, 16:58

and mailing fish to the states dosen't count
:p

Don't mess with the fish!

Buckets4Me

25th June 2011, 17:05

Don't mess with the fish!

I didn't say he shouldn't do it :hug:

in fact i think he should send us all chocolate fish
seeing as he is so good at filliting them

husaberg

25th June 2011, 17:42

next I'm going to bag some motorbike shop and see how I get on :p

I See your point Bucketsnbits for sale it's looking a bit dead:2thumbsup

Thing I don't get with you and Bucketracers relationship.:hug:

I am not sure your relationship is purely platonic.:buggerd::killingme:

As for the bucket racing if you don't see me at Mt Welly this weekend it's cause I live in the South Island dipshit:msn-wink::tugger:

husaberg

25th September 2011, 20:11

I See your point Bucketsnbits for sale it's looking a bit dead:2thumbsup

Thing I don't get with you and Bucketracers relationship.:hug:

I am not sure your relationship is purely platonic.:buggerd::killingme:
:

Yet another thread killed off by Husaberg

Buckets4Me

25th September 2011, 20:53

Yet another thread killed off by Husaberg

:innocent:

what where you thinking calling people names :facepalm:

koba

25th September 2011, 21:01

Yet another thread killed off by Husaberg

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

husaberg

25th September 2011, 21:21

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Nothing new to see here

koba

25th September 2011, 21:24

Nothing new to see here

You just want to be the last poster in here!

husaberg

25th September 2011, 21:26

You just want to be the last poster in here!

Why must they always pick on the Asian

koba

25th September 2011, 21:33

Why must they always pick on the Asian

There are all sorts of possible reasons.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Anti-Japan2.png

husaberg

26th September 2011, 17:19

There are all sorts of possible reasons.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Anti-Japan2.png

It sounds like a reasonable excuse

koba

26th September 2011, 20:01

It sounds like a reasonable excuse

Sounds like the second-to-last post in this thread ;)

husaberg

26th September 2011, 20:06

Sounds like the second-to-last post in this thread ;)

I thought it might have been the case.:blink:

Henk

26th September 2011, 20:08

Can keep it going a bit longer with pointless posts if you like.

husaberg

26th September 2011, 20:59

Wheres SS90 I kind of miss him :sick:
Deep down I bet he would be a top bloke its just I haven't figured out how deep
6 ft?

koba

27th September 2011, 09:01

Wheres SS90 I kind of miss him :sick:
Deep down I bet he would be a top bloke its just I haven't figured out how deep
6 ft?

Haha! the ESE guys ganged up on him in jellywrestler's "piston/barrel dramas" thread, (in the non-bucket bit of this site, I know I wasn't there for long!) I think he may have had a cry over it.

While it starts off a bit of a laugh I think they actually do go a bit far sometimes...

TZ350

27th September 2011, 15:12

It was SS90's attempts to undermine Bucketracer that got him into trouble and not just with the ESE boys.

These posts probably say it all ........

That is your Google search, internet based assessment ... Many is the spotty little kid that comes into a workshop, fresh from his education ...

.... be wary of School kids mascarading as experts, providing nothing but links to other sites.

I am not sure he is the one masquerading as an expert. Bucketracer at least knew what he was looking at and where to go to illustrate his point.

It turns out Bucketracer was right about the damage and SS90 was not, which is OK, as we are all wrong sometimes.

But SS kept on and on wiffiling and being snide trying to talk himself into being right, but his credibility took another hit when he got caught out exaggerating the accomplishments in his CV .... :Oops:

I am proud to say, Bucket handled it all quite maturely .

koba

27th September 2011, 15:21

It was SS90's attempts to undermine Bucketracer that got him into trouble and not just with the ESE boys.

These posts probably say it all ........

It turns out Bucketracer was right about the damage and SS90 was not, not only was he wrong he kept on and on trying to talk himself into being right, he also got caught out exaggerating the accomplishments in his CV .... :Oops:

I am proud to say, Bucket handled it all quite maturely .

He (:scooter:) certainly doesn't need any assistance to look like a real tit-head.

husaberg

27th September 2011, 16:47

He (:scooter:) certainly doesn't need any assistance to look like a real tit-head.

Great minds re his head

But I am not that mature

Husaberg last weekThe 2002 to 2008 I think are manufactured by maybe Beta or Minerelli.The 09 ones onwards are a new engine are much easier to ride and faster for the kids.
The Chinese do a rip off of the engine the quality may be a little lacking no doubt.It could be melted down to make a pretty effective wok. We could use SS90 for the former. He does have a wok shaped noggin already.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/partdiscounter/m.html?_nkw=ktm+50&_sacat=&_odkw=&_osacat=0&bkBtn=&_trksid=p3911.m270.l1313

I do remember he said he was going to stop posting on the ESE thread until he came back with his evidence of a prewar turbo small 2 stroke
Neil Neil.....

koba

27th September 2011, 18:41

I do remember he said he was going to stop posting on the ESE thread until he came back with his evidence of a prewar turbo small 2 stroke
Neil Neil.....

I know its not small but there is some mention of one here.
http://www02.abb.com/global/gad/gad02077.nsf/lupLongContent/7F857C097503460FC12572FB0045C223

An interesting article all the same, although I probably can't understand it as I don't work in the industry and I found it with Google.

husaberg

27th September 2011, 19:01

:laugh:
I know its not small but there is some mention of one here.
http://www02.abb.com/global/gad/gad02077.nsf/lupLongContent/7F857C097503460FC12572FB0045C223

An interesting article all the same, although I probably can't understand it as I don't work in the industry and I found it with Google.

:scooter:"Computers I doubt they will ever catch on a passing fad. Don't get me started on Google, Phah..... That's not an engine a Lamberetta has an engine you whippersnappers
I was racing and most of the time beating Mike Hailwood and Stanley Woods years ago with one. I did internationals you know.
Whats wrong with a encyclopedia. I work in the Industry no less. Who cares what it says on the internet" :blink:

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
- Popular Mechanics, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."
- The editor in charge of business books for Prentice-Hall, 1957
"But what...is it good for?"
- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of DEC
"Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple."
- Byte, December 1994
"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'"
- Steve Jobs, cofounder of Apple Computer

All these guys BTW Were also Industry experts

interesting but probably Neil didn't work on it himself, he may have been called as a consultant.That may be while he went to Europe after all.
Scooters are the forefront of real engine development with Vespa entering Moto GP next year Neil may be announced soon as a guest/development rider he will be able to draw on in industry experience of both.

All jokes aside the turbo looks eerily like a water pump inside.
I shouldn't be surprised I guess.Centrifugal blower/centrifugal pump

husaberg

5th October 2011, 20:38

I know its not small but there is some mention of one here.
http://www02.abb.com/global/gad/gad02077.nsf/lupLongContent/7F857C097503460FC12572FB0045C223

An interesting article all the same, although I probably can't understand it as I don't work in the industry and I found it with Google.

Not trying to reopen old wounds But I came across a old copy of the MNZ rules

It would seem the mistake was made pre 2000

I do remember the old rules used to say something about excluding competition hot up parts if memory serves me correct.

Grumph

6th October 2011, 05:48

koba

6th October 2011, 16:40

The point you should take out of all this is simply that the rules you work to,right or wrong, are the CURRENT rules in the CURRENT rulebook.

So true.

I'll post some interesting pics when time and body allows.

Buckets4Me

7th October 2011, 18:59

The point you should take out of all this is simply that the scooter boy is RIGHT ALWAYS :yes:

better we dont realy care about the rules
anyone who tries to use ilegal parts will be linched

husaberg

8th October 2011, 15:58

better we dont realy care about the rules
anyone who tries to use ilegal parts will be linched

My neck is safe then.

lynching is so last year

Extradition to Europe to work on Scooters i say.
Now that would be a punishment to suit the crime.
Even if it is Cruel and unusual there have been examples of its use.
so it couldn't be be described as unprecedented.

husaberg

8th October 2011, 16:06

I've been around a very long while and my memory says that the wording has always been pretty much as it is now.

The point you should take out of all this is simply that the rules you work to,right or wrong, are the CURRENT rules in the CURRENT rulebook.

Yeah I get that but the debate was what was in the current rules wasn't what people thought it was.The silly s

The old wording in the old small rules book pre these rules I posted.(2001)
I would love a copy of the old rules Please anyone?
This is all I can seem to find on the Net
http://117.104.180.114:81/motorcycles/cb125.html

Were quite different they excluded factory hot up parts etc they allowed alcohol fuel in 100cc four strokes no 125 ac 2 stroke etc. The later/latest fuels allow better fuel octane than the old ones do to. AV gas VS Pump Super
I was surprised the 125cc 2 stroke have been around that long when I tripped over the old book myself.
I would like to see the s taken out and a remit put in to allow a std 100cc 2 stroke to run a KT100 piston whatever cc that would take say 107cc or so max as it would save a lot of money PS this won't suit my new build either, but it might help others.

In fact I might even do it anyone keen to add any weight to it as the 50-51mm piston choice is limited and bloody expensive which is not what the rules wee trying to do. It's just that they are now, an odd size. Going to 52.8 or so I doubt will improve the HP much. It would help to keep buckets affordable to the masses. Custom forged Wiseco pistons are not cheap.

While I am at I might suggest to open up the Big end and small end bearing as well.in the interests of reduced cost.

While I am at at why not Biofuel EG ethanol for the masses more fun and better for the planet! just kidding

Note in my post at the top of the page I managed to predict Steve Jobs early departure from this realm. Spooky I had never heard of him before Quoting him. I told you guys I was a thread killer. Do you need any more evidence.

gav

13th October 2011, 19:03

Yow Ling

13th October 2011, 19:20

husaberg

14th October 2011, 17:49

Latest I heard was that following a world wide trend, the two stroke will actually be banned from all motorsport including motorcycling. So that will certainly clean up the rules as well as the race tracks. No more smelly two strokes. :innocent: :corn:

Said in jest, but the evidence is mounting that this could well end up actually happening.
According to Dave it was initiated by Honda, specifically just to piss him off :blink:He might be onto something there.

F5 Dave

15th October 2011, 20:13

Latest I heard was that following a world wide trend, the two stroke will actually be banned from all motorsport including motorcycling. So that will certainly clean up the rules as well as the race tracks. No more smelly two strokes. :innocent: :corn:
So Gav, do you want to explain why you sat out much of the race on the side of the track today? That 4 stroke just decided it was sick of running?:shifty:

TZ350

16th October 2011, 06:51

I would like to see the s taken out and a remit put in to allow ......

Good luck with that, I have tried working the system to get the sleeved carb thing cleared up but have not got anywhere, several letters from myself and personal representations by JC and no reply one way or the other, I think MNZ pretty much ignores Buckets.

Taz

16th October 2011, 06:57

Well it is only Buckets, not like it's real racing. MNZ still takes your money and gives very little support for it though.... Sounds like nothing has changed since the early 90's when I was racing. I was the only bucket to turn up at Taupo one year (the old track). They put me in with the 350 and under classics. Didn't come first but wasn't far off.

Kickaha

16th October 2011, 06:58

I think MNZ pretty much ignores Buckets and hopes they won't start turning up at the real bike meetings, or better yet just go away.

Any bucket meet is a "real bike meeting" but if you mean turning up at the mainstream clubs meetings then that is exactly what we do down here

It isn't an MNZ thing it is a club thing

Oh yeah, there'll be 30 odd Buckets at the street races this weekend to

TZ350

16th October 2011, 07:09

Any bucket meet is a "real bike meeting" but if you mean turning up at the mainstream clubs meetings then that is exactly what we do down here. It isn't an MNZ thing it is a club thing. Oh yeah, there'll be 30 odd Buckets at the street races this weekend to

Yes true Mt Welly F4 F5 is a real race meeting even though its on a Kart track and the Auck club run a combined SS/250 Super Light/F4 (Bucket) class that we could turn up too. I am going to do Hampton in Dec and the Greymouth and BOB next year ........

But trying to get clarification on the sleeved carb thing and JC's attempts to get some changes meet with silence from MNZ.

RMS eng

16th October 2011, 08:53

Yeah I get that but the debate was what was in the current rules wasn't what people thought it was.The silly s

The old wording in the old small rules book pre these rules I posted.(2001)
I would love a copy of the old rules Please anyone?
This is all I can seem to find on the Net
http://117.104.180.114:81/motorcycles/cb125.html

Were quite different they excluded factory hot up parts etc they allowed alcohol fuel in 100cc four strokes no 125 ac 2 stroke etc. The later/latest fuels allow better fuel octane than the old ones do to. AV gas VS Pump Super
I was surprised the 125cc 2 stroke have been around that long when I tripped over the old book myself.
I would like to see the s taken out and a remit put in to allow a std 100cc 2 stroke to run a KT100 piston whatever cc that would take say 107cc or so max as it would save a lot of money PS this won't suit my new build either, but it might help others.

In fact I might even do it anyone keen to add any weight to it as the 50-51mm piston choice is limited and bloody expensive which is not what the rules wee trying to do. It's just that they are now, an odd size. Going to 52.8 or so I doubt will improve the HP much. It would help to keep buckets affordable to the masses. Custom forged Wiseco pistons are not cheap.

While I am at I might suggest to open up the Big end and small end bearing as well.in the interests of reduced cost.

While I am at at why not Biofuel EG ethanol for the masses more fun and better for the planet! just kidding

Note in my post at the top of the page I managed to predict Steve Jobs early departure from this realm. Spooky I had never heard of him before Quoting him. I told you guys I was a thread killer. Do you need any more evidence.

piston are cheap check ebay RM100 piston kit $60.00-100.00 US ect.rules are fine as they are,change the rules too much and buckets will end up street stocks and 125 Gp

husaberg

16th October 2011, 10:45

piston are cheap check ebay RM100 piston kit $60.00-100.00 US ect.rules are fine as they are,change the rules too much and buckets will end up street stocks and 125 Gp

OK how is buckets different than Street stocks?

ie what is it that makes buckets such a fascinating class for young and old?

I am suggesting that allowing open piston rods and bearings in Buckets are to keeps costs down. Makes them more reliable and simplifies the rules isn't that is what buckets are about
PS the out of production NOS RM100 pistons are all 2 ring so they are out for me sorry.
The reason for suggesting the freeing up the rules to allow a just few more cc for the two stroke 100cc are purly cost related as it would be to allow the common readily available still manufactured and cheaper KT100 piston.
These pistons from Strike in Aus these pistons are available in any size no rebore just hone to size plus dirt cheap. The bearing are also for cost.

Wait a few years and you will find it is Moto 250 for NZ rather than Gp125.The costs will spiral out of control then too.

Buddha#81

16th October 2011, 16:08

OK how is buckets different than Street stocks?

ie what is it that makes buckets such a fascinating class for young and old?

bucket and street stocks can be lite years apart or very simular. S/S bikes are raced as they are produced with minimal changes. Buckets are one of the last classes of motorcycle racing where your amagination (or chequebook) limits what can be done. Different chassis, wheels, suspension, bodywork and engine mods. A well ridden good buckets can compete and beat any prolite or streetstock bike.

This is why I think buckets are such a fascinating class, it can be cheap (running on tyres pulled from the rubbish bin at the nats) a $200 shitter can be run as is, there were several at the BOB yesterday and those guys and girls had smiles as big as me on my $2000 bike...........or you can build a mega expensive hot engined gp framed rocket ship, what ever spins ya wheels.

husaberg

16th October 2011, 16:42

bucket and street stocks can be lite years apart or very simular. S/S bikes are raced as they are produced with minimal changes. Buckets are one of the last classes of motorcycle racing where your amagination (or chequebook) limits what can be done. Different chassis, wheels, suspension, bodywork and engine mods. A well ridden good buckets can compete and beat any prolite or streetstock bike.

This is why I think buckets are such a fascinating class, it can be cheap (running on tyres pulled from the rubbish bin at the nats) a $200 shitter can be run as is, there were several at the BOB yesterday and those guys and girls had smiles as big as me on my $2000 bike...........or you can build a mega expensive hot engined gp framed rocket ship, what ever spins ya wheels.

Agreed Buckets are a tuner rider class with fairly open rules designed to provide low cost affordable fun.

but do you race a FXR by chance?

Because I hear they can do a bit of carnage when their rods Snap?

So if I told you that there is a Rod And bearing available that will cure this and save all the resulting damage time and more importantly money.
Also it is more freely available in NZ.

Shit, this would be bad thing for buckets after all.

Same you can't use it because it isn't legal as its from a Competition engine.(ROD and Bearing)

I remember when the rules were changed to let in a few bikes 2x I might add to accommodate the GL145s and the FXR150 changing those rules sure thrashed the sport. (this is in Jest repeat this is in jest)

Buckets4Me

16th October 2011, 17:42

This is why I think buckets are such a fascinating class, it can be cheap (running on tyres pulled from the rubbish bin at the nats) a $200 shitter can be run as is, there were several at the BOB yesterday and those guys and girls had smiles as big as me on my $2000 bike...........or you can build a mega expensive hot engined gp framed rocket ship, what ever spins ya wheels.

thats why I like it :Punk:

Yow Ling

16th October 2011, 19:44

Agreed Buckets are a tuner rider class with fairly open rules designed to provide low cost affordable fun.

but do you race a FXR by chance?

Because I hear they can do a bit of carnage when their rods Snap?

So if I told you that there is a Rod And bearing available that will cure this and save all the resulting damage time and more importantly money.
Also it is more freely available in NZ.

Shit, this would be bad thing for buckets after all.

Same you can't use it because it isn't legal as its from a Competition engine.(ROD and Bearing)

FXR rods are like tyres, you replace them every now and then, its easier with tyres though because you can see them. Just put a new one in every 2 or 3 seasons and they no big problem. Aparently the problem is they have 4mm rollers and would be better off with 3.5mm rollers like a DR200 ? An DR is a farmbike isnt it just like a TS/RM

husaberg

16th October 2011, 19:52

An DR is a farmbike isnt it just like a RM

Will have to check Pete Sales Catalog.:shutup: But it sounds plausible.:blink:
Bearings don't tell tales.:innocent:

Buddha#81

16th October 2011, 20:15

but do you race a FXR by chance?

yup have done pretty much since the rule changed......unlike some very cleaver (or stupid) buggars on here I have no idea on tuning a two smoker. My FXR did 3500-4000 race km all on big circuits (Ruapuna and Levels mostly) and did the rod and rings, lucky i did the B/E bearing cage was in two bits. As FXR's go, its a true bucket, engine mildly tuned and its in a 1KT TZR frame with RS125 fairings.

Kickaha

16th October 2011, 20:20

Aparently the problem is they have 4mm rollers and would be better off with 3.5mm rollers like a DR200 ? An DR is a farmbike isnt it just like a TS/RM

I have a DR200 big end if you want to measure it up

husaberg

16th October 2011, 21:13

I have a DR200 big end if you want to measure it up

The DR200 I think is a no go. From Memory the FXR150 is a 30mm pin like a Honda.
KTM do a lovely bearing but you can't use that. KTM also do a nice strong rod but can't use that either.
There is a yummy MMC one that weighs only 98 grams as well but you can't use that either.Unless you custom order it then it would be legal?

Anyway I digress here is a nice 37mm big end long rod SR125 in the first list
http://www.mxcomposites.com/con_rod.php
http://www.connectingrod.com.tw/ktm.htm
http://www.pro-x.com/downloads/Technical.pdf
more rods here for the inquisitive types
http://www.kevinbreedonracing.co.uk/products_conrods.asp
http://www.connectingrod.com.tw/honda.htm
http://www.samarin.nl/webshop/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=32
http://www.tkrj.co.jp/
http://findebookee.com/c/connecting-rod the one is capt

Here are some one of them I was going to use for the original stroker xr200.

husaberg

30th October 2011, 11:04

See we stop arguing and the thread dies again. Oh well I am the last poster again I guess.

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 13:00

See we stop arguing and the thread dies again. Oh well I am the last poster again I guess.

aha but no you arn't

husaberg

30th October 2011, 14:20

aha but not you arn't

Did you have a look at the rods I see TZ has Not sure why.

Answer only if you wear Girls underwear.

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 14:34

Answer only if you wear Girls underwear.

Pink frilly ones

husaberg

30th October 2011, 14:37

Pink frilly ones

Each to his own I guess.DO NOT POST IMAGES PLEASE
Have a look in thread tools images in the ESE thread there are images that are not on the thread?

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 14:41

Each to his own I guess.DO NOT POST IMAGES PLEASE
Have a look in thread tools images in the ESE thread there are images that are not on the thread?

now you have me worried
they could be ones i posted of ss90 but got sent to the usless drivel thread :)

do they look like a crank sprayed yellow then attacked with a grinder ?

249726
Ok, in the interests of putting a value to the primary compression ratios applicable to modern porting and exhaust designs, I have modified a crankshaft (just using logic as to how much material to remove, making a cardboard template, and marking with a yellow spray bomb ), and, as I assemble the engine I will measure the crankcase volume at TBC and at BDC, so as to calculate the primary compression ratio).

I will then compare the dyno curves to 4 other known "high tuned" engines ( 3 other tuner have agreed to send me some dyno runs for comparison) with the same cylinder (I don't know what primary compression ratios other are running, and also the exhaust being used is a prototype, so it will be an interesting comparison.

I will also measure the exhaust gas temperature.

I have also found the the standard "Transfer stock" ( fully open point at BDC) is about 1mm too high.

I am certain this was not intentional by the designer and is more likely a manufacturing/casting fault.

As such, I have sent the crankcases to have 1mm removed from the cylinder base. I'll pick them up on the way to work tomorrow, it is a little dissapointing, as it involves more work.

I currently still am of the opinion that the standard exhaust port duration is too low, and I really am considering raising it to 188 Deg before assembling it.......

husaberg

30th October 2011, 14:46

now you have me worried
they could be ones i posted of ss90 but got sent to the usless drivel thread :)

do they look like a crank sprayed yellow then attacked with a grinder ?

No don't worry they are not of you in your pink frillies but pics of this thread its Weird?

TZ350

30th October 2011, 14:54

Did you have a look at the rods I see TZ has Not sure why.

Its good tec stuff, scraped it and saved it on the ESE thread page 340 complete with acknowledgement, I will remove if you want.

husaberg

30th October 2011, 14:57

Its good tec stuff, scraped it and saved it on the ESE thread page 340 complete with acknowledgement, I will remove if you want.
Nah not worried was kind of curious why i couldn't see it yet it was on the thread did you do the decade pages finally?

TZ350

30th October 2011, 15:00

Nah not worried was kind of curious why i couldn't see it yet it was on the thread did you do the decade pages finally?

Only page 340 I better get started prepairing for 350.

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 15:13

No don't worry they are not of you in your pink frillies but pics of this thread its Weird?

was it this then ?

249725

husaberg

30th October 2011, 15:18

was it this then ?

249725

I bet that hurt (the cameraman)

husaberg

30th October 2011, 17:11

now you have me worried
they could be ones i posted of ss90 but got sent to the usless drivel thread :)

do they look like a crank sprayed yellow then attacked with a grinder ?

249726

I will bite why is the Crank Yellow?
Also for that matter why is your Arse Purple. A Hard night in Ponsonby?

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 17:28

I will bite why is the Crank Yellow?
Also for that matter why is your Arse Purple. A Hard night in Ponsonby?

you will have to wate for the crank answer

but the purple ass isn't mine 249736it's what happend after this beast was let loose at taupo

the rider was picked up after being throwen off said bike and run down by some south islander :shutup:

later another rider took it for a spin passing nearly the entire field 40+ into the first corner to be throwen off in the same place
she never rode it again

it was an aircooled 100 making 22h/p

husaberg

30th October 2011, 17:52

you will have to wate for the crank answer

but the purple ass isn't mine 249736it's what happend after this beast was let loose at taupo

the rider was picked up after being throwen off said bike and run down by some south islander :shutup:

later another rider took it for a spin passing nearly the entire field 40+ into the first corner to be throwen off in the same place
she never rode it again

it was an aircooled 100 making 22h/p

What was the fairing from?

Looks like a good genuine Bucket

Buckets4Me

30th October 2011, 18:01

What was the fairing from?

Looks like a good genuine Bucket

rs 125 :shit:

249739and after

husaberg

3rd November 2011, 22:21

rs 125 :shit:

249739and after

What model rs? (The Fairing) I suppose it looks different because it mounted more level than std?

husaberg

7th November 2011, 20:54

Last poster again I win

koba

7th November 2011, 21:11

Last poster again I win

OK, you win.

Oh, wait, that makes me last...

husaberg

7th November 2011, 21:24

OK, you win.

Oh, wait, that makes me last...

Just watching the last 125gp race I taped. We all lose. I blame Yamaha for the yz426 for this situation (I can't bring myself to blame Honda. 4 strokes are in their nature) why did they have too be competitive.

koba

7th November 2011, 21:27

Just watching the last 125gp race I taped. We all lose. I blame Yamaha for the yz426 for this situation (I can't bring myself to blame Honda 4 strokes are in their nature) why did they have too be competitive.

Didn't manage to see the 125's but the Moto GP was certainly better than expected! I got all excited.

husaberg

7th November 2011, 21:33

Didn't manage to see the 125's but the Moto GP was certainly better than expected! I got all excited.

I'd keep it, but it is using 19% of the memory in the Mysky so out it goes. Before her indoors starts deleting my other stuff to tape reality shows. Seriously reality shows. Is life with me that boring?

koba

8th November 2011, 05:52

I'd keep it, but it is using 19% of the memory in the Mysky so out it goes. Before her indoors starts deleting my other stuff to tape reality shows. Seriously reality shows. Is life with me that boring?

Maybe could approach it like a shed with too many bikes: Build a bigger Mysky...

husaberg

8th November 2011, 22:05

Maybe could approach it like a shed with too many bikes: Build a bigger Mysky...

Should I get a wife who appreciates bikes in the lounge as well? although I have sneaked in my sons to work on with out raising eyebrows before.

koba

9th November 2011, 05:47

We kept a pitbike in out lounge for a while. Getting it up the stairs was a real prick!

F5 Dave

9th November 2011, 09:52

When my wife moved in before we were dating, there was my RS/MB100 in her bedroom, so she knew what she was getting into. She put a throw rug over it.

F5 Dave

9th November 2011, 09:57

WE kept a pitbike in out lounge for a while. Getting it up the stairs was a real prick!
We got a mate's TZ250 up a flight of stairs. Wasn't too bad with the fairing off as solid pegs were easy to hold. Still sits in his lounge, hmm, must be 4 years later.

husaberg

9th November 2011, 22:42

We got a mate's TZ250 up a flight of stairs. Wasn't too bad with the fairing off as solid pegs were easy to hold. Still sits in his lounge, hmm, must be 4 years later.

found these Quality vs price

http://jvtscooters.com/online-store.html?category_id=109&page=shop.browse&limitstart=0&limit=30

husaberg

11th April 2012, 23:35

debate is healthy
http://www.lgkstore.it/en/store/product/view/121/1504

Grumph

12th April 2012, 05:25

Too expensive....like the bikestand whose picture you keep posting.

koba

12th April 2012, 07:16

debate is healthy
http://www.lgkstore.it/en/store/product/view/121/1504

Oh, go on then, I'll bite.

What debate?

As presented it is a competition part.

Muzzab

12th April 2012, 08:38

When my wife moved in before we were dating, t.

Good skills, got her in the house and never let her out again ;)

A guy I work with got his 10 year younger Asian wife delivered to the door, she was an exchange student arranged by his parents.
Mind you the same guy said he was at a family reunion and that his cousins were hot!! :facepalm::sick:

husaberg

12th April 2012, 17:02

um, its says "Racing Kart"??
if you want a 20mm pin rod & can live with 110mm then RS125/AF1 Aprilia. Totally legal beagle. Someone told me they ran them in 256 Rotaxs as an upgrade (bigger pin etc). & suits 15mm piston pin or 14mm with a 14x19 bearing (which std MB is & you can get wider ones from Samarin).

Er Dave have another look the racing kart is the manufacturer.
The wording is adaptable to a whatever SGM blah blah
ps it is 113mm BTW this one.

husaberg

12th April 2012, 17:07

Oh, go on then, I'll bite.

What debate?

As presented it is a competition part.

sorry i disagree if you read again it says adaptable to a competition motor the racing kart logo is i believe the manufacturer.

F5 Dave

12th April 2012, 17:21

Well if racing kart was the vendor, which it appears that would be another kettle, perhaps that is what you were getting at. Doesn't tell you the SE size or width. Or the intended application.

husaberg

12th April 2012, 17:54

Well if racing kart was the vendor, which it appears that would be another kettle, perhaps that is what you were getting at. Doesn't tell you the SE size or width. Or the intended application.
http://www.sgm-engines.com/immagini/motori/F198.jpg
I know thats the beauty of it so little information helps. As it is adaptable to a SGM or what ever. http://www.sgm-engines.com/testi/L198_125_ICC_gb.htm
One would assume to follow the same dimensions?
wheres that list Kel ya slacker;)

Henk

12th April 2012, 18:02

Aftermarket part for a kart engine so clearly. You know what I just can't be bothered

husaberg

12th April 2012, 18:15

Aftermarket part for a kart engine so clearly. You know what I just can't be bothered
OH you know you want to. but in all seriousness i see the word Adaptable as being quite significant here.

husaberg

12th April 2012, 19:20

Doesn't tell you the SE size or width. Or the intended application.

Here is the dimensions for a real SGM125 rod. Rather than just for a rod that is "Adaptable" to one.

http://www.maranello-engineering.com/sgm/bmz_cache/4/42f336c5b0f3237e1ab370e5f315c373.image.640x306.jpg
Connecting Rod 20x113mm
Model: F196.20113
Manufacturer: SGM Engines
Price: 178.61EUR 151.82EUR
Racing rod, big diameter 26 mm, small diameter 19 mm, thickness 15 mm, length 113 mm
http://www.maranello-engineering.com/sgm/connecting-rod-20x113mm-p-244.html?zenid=a1865b3d0272c53d530356f1bd0ba66a
This rod i deem to be illegal.

My ideal rod would be around 112 -113mm support a 20mm crankpin big end 17mm ish wide and a 18mm little end for a 14mm pin and be er....Free

husaberg

12th April 2012, 19:48

Good skills, got her in the house and never let her out again ;)

A guy I work with got his 10 year younger Asian wife delivered to the door, she was an exchange student arranged by his parents.
Mind you the same guy said he was at a family reunion and that his cousins were hot!! :facepalm::sick:

Er... that's not helping any reputations for inbreeding with us Coasters now is it:argh:
Although at least the mail order was an out-cross i guess;)

husaberg

12th April 2012, 20:02

Too expensive....like the bikestand whose picture you keep posting.

Expensive no the bikestand is rather cheap to run .......
She is not into clothes and is on a strict seafood and Sausage diet, she does moan a lot though...Oh well can't have everything can you.

koba

12th April 2012, 21:59

sorry i disagree if you read again it says adaptable to a competition motor the racing kart logo is i believe the manufacturer.

"20mm with 113mm wheelbase conrod for 125cc (adaptable SGM)"

Doesn't quite read as "adaptable to a competition motor" to me.

Am I missing something there?

The Racing Kart logo seems related to the seller and I read that saying it is an SGM rod with multiple applications.

http://www.sgm-engines.com/

Looks very competition to me...

"MOTORI TELAI DA COMPETIZIONE"

EDIT: Just saw the last page.

Just get a legal motor that works, put it in the bike and ride the bloody thing.

husaberg

12th April 2012, 22:31

"20mm with 113mm wheelbase conrod for 125cc (adaptable SGM)"

Doesn't quite read as "adaptable to a competition motor" to me.

Am I missing something there?

The Racing Kart logo seems related to the seller and I read that saying it is an SGM rod with multiple applications.

http://www.sgm-engines.com/

Looks very competition to me...

"MOTORI TELAI DA COMPETIZIONE"

EDIT: Just saw the last page.

Just get a legal motor that works, put it in the bike and ride the bloody thing.

IF you read the reply to Daves post you may get a better handle on what i am trying to say.

the bit where i said adaptable to a competition motor was in reply to your post saying "it was a competition part" its is splitting hairs yes.

Oh, go on then, I'll bite.
What debate?
As presented it is a competition part.

sorry i disagree if you read again it says adaptable to a competition motor the racing kart logo is i believe the manufacturer.

But.It does not say it is for a SGM 125 it says "20mm with 113mm wheelbase conrod for 125cc (adaptable SGM)"
I are definitely not denying the SGM is a Kart motor i have even posted links to it.

last one the NSR 125 (Vanessa) engine is 100% legal if someone after careful consideration of what i have said about a possible rod for Vanessa still says they really thinks it is against the rules i urge you to speak now or forever hold their piece.

But point taken. I better pull finger, 6 months to go, will it be ready for Greymouth