Radar over concrete barrier?

[BuzzbomB]

A couple of questions for anyone in the know:

Are radar readings of speed from a moving patrol car on the opposite side of the motorway over a concrete barrier considered accurate enough to prove a speeding infringement?

Also, if one was issued a ticket for say 21kph over the limit at a time where one's speedometer was inoperable due to a broken speedo cable would it be advisable to mention this when raising a matter for consideration of the circumstances or contesting the ticket?

Cheers

[BAY CITY MOTORCYCLES]

A couple of questions for anyone in the know:

Are radar readings of speed from a moving patrol car on the opposite side of the motorway over a concrete barrier considered accurate enough to prove a speeding infringement?

Also, if one was issued a ticket for say 21kph over the limit at a time where one's speedometer was inoperable due to a broken speedo cable would it be advisable to mention this when raising a matter for consideration of the circumstances or contesting the ticket?

Cheers

Yes it is 'good enough' sorry and re speedo cable being broken...I'd keep that to yourself as it means your bike wasn't in 'roadworthy condition'.
Pay the ticket...:Police:

[Rhys]

Take it on the chin, and wait for a battle you have a chance of winning.

[steve_t]

A couple of questions for anyone in the know:

Are radar readings of speed from a moving patrol car on the opposite side of the motorway over a concrete barrier considered accurate enough to prove a speeding infringement?

Also, if one was issued a ticket for say 21kph over the limit at a time where one's speedometer was inoperable due to a broken speedo cable would it be advisable to mention this when raising a matter for consideration of the circumstances or contesting the ticket?

Cheers

Yes

No

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[Parlane]

You have me intrigued, how did they give you the infringement? It just came in the mail? Or did they exit the motorway and reenter it?

[Scuba_Steve]

ignore it, it's a scam :yes:

[BuzzbomB]

I wish it were that simple. I've won the lottery, winning numbers 1-0-0...

[Parlane]

ignore it, it's a scam :yes:

The cop was from Nigeria?

[BuzzbomB]

You have me intrigued, how did they give you the infringement? It just came in the mail? Or did they exit the motorway and reenter it?

Radio, faster than I am.

[Scuba_Steve]

The cop was from Nigeria?

do scammers have to be from Nigeria???

[p.dath]

Pay the ticket. It's the easiest option. You wont "win", or get any consideration trying to take the matter further.

[tigertim20]

A couple of questions for anyone in the know:

Are radar readings of speed from a moving patrol car on the opposite side of the motorway over a concrete barrier considered accurate enough to prove a speeding infringement?

Also, if one was issued a ticket for say 21kph over the limit at a time where one's speedometer was inoperable due to a broken speedo cable would it be advisable to mention this when raising a matter for consideration of the circumstances or contesting the ticket?

Cheers
so you have no idea what speed you were doing, and still wanna contest the ticket?
pay the fine. arguing this one will probably end up hurting a whole lot more than a speeding ticket when/if the truth comes out, as it almost invariably tends to do.

[DrunkenMistake]

so you have no idea what speed you were doing, and still wanna contest the ticket?
pay the fine. arguing this one will probably end up hurting a whole lot more than a speeding ticket when/if the truth comes out, as it almost invariably tends to do.

Ignore that dumb cunt,

Tell them you were operating your vehicle with an inoperatable speedo, its not like you need one for a WOF to prove your vehicle is safe and road worthy etc. :msn-wink:

[Max Preload]

Ignore all the weak 'bend over and take it up the rudder' fucktards.

[GrayWolf]

Radio, faster than I am.

Hmmmm just a thought, you were out of sight? and they didnt have your registration number/?? So you were pulled by another car?
Question is..... how far down the road was the other patrol car????? I it was some distance? Then maybe a little chat with your local community lawyer may give you advice? I seem to recall that there are condition that are regarded as unfavourable to an evidential speed reading...... possibly the wall is one?

[Jack Miller]

A couple of questions for anyone in the know:
Are radar readings of speed from a moving patrol car on the opposite side of the motorway over a concrete barrier considered accurate enough to prove a speeding infringement?
Also, if one was issued a ticket for say 21kph over the limit at a time where one's speedometer was inoperable due to a broken speedo cable would it be advisable to mention this when raising a matter for consideration of the circumstances or contesting the ticket?
Cheers

Don't mention the broken speedo but fight it to the end. They will almost certainly drop the charges if you keep at them - they did for me. Did they have three clear seconds with you in their sights? Anything less is an inaccurate reading and they rarely achieve it -their sneaky tactics invariably compromise this important element. The steel reinforcing in the barrier could influence RADAR but probably not IR - what did they use? Search this forum and you'll find plenty of coppers posting how they simply give up if the "perp" fights back even when the cop is convinced the perp is guilty.

Anyway, there are a raft of tactics that can be deployed to get them to drop charges. Too many to list here though. aussiespeedingfines.com is a good place to start. (No affiliation except as a happy customer)

[racefactory]

Fight it to the end. If you fight it and keep at it, you will win. Ignore these guys blabbing about paying up and bending over. Too much of that in this country.

[Kickaha]

Fight it to the end. If you fight it and keep at it, you will win. Ignore these guys blabbing about paying up and bending over. Too much of that in this country.

To much of cunts not accepting responsibility for their actions as well

[ducatilover]

Did you wave?

[Jack Miller]

To much of cunts not accepting responsibility for their actions as well

Yeah, too many cops not accepting responsibility for their reckless enforcement tactics. Like Bridgman who fought to the bitter end after maiming Collins and Russel: "Mr Collins said Bridgman's refusal to accept culpability for the accident had angered both men and it was hugely gratifying to have him made responsible (by the court) for his actions and face the consequences."
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/gross-error-judgment-costs-police-patrol-driver-60000/5/14882

Will the cop who killed a motorcyclist by stopping on a double yellow line earlier this month accept responsibility?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5250693/Motorcyclist-killed-after-hitting-police-car-named
I doubt it.

[scumdog]

Yeah, too many cops not accepting responsibility for their reckless enforcement tactics. Like Bridgman who fought to the bitter end after maiming Collins and Russel: "Mr Collins said Bridgman's refusal to accept culpability for the accident had angered both men and it was hugely gratifying to have him made responsible (by the court) for his actions and face the consequences."
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/gross-error-judgment-costs-police-patrol-driver-60000/5/14882

Will the cop who killed a motorcyclist by stopping on a double yellow line earlier this month accept responsibility?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5250693/Motorcyclist-killed-after-hitting-police-car-named
I doubt it.

So that's two cops so far....and with the second one your doing what you probably don't like cops to do..assuming

[Kickaha]

Yeah, too many cops not accepting responsibility for their reckless enforcement tactics. Like Bridgman who fought to the bitter end after maiming Collins and Russel:

I did fail maths at school but I think that makes one?


Will the cop who killed a motorcyclist by stopping on a double yellow line earlier this month accept responsibility?

Why should he?


So that's two cops so far....and with the second one your doing what you probably don't like cops to do..assuming

It's ok for the general public to do it but not you filthy donut munchers, it's called double standards

[Scuba_Steve]

Will the cop who killed a motorcyclist by stopping on a double yellow line earlier this month accept responsibility?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5250693/Motorcyclist-killed-after-hitting-police-car-named
I doubt it.



Why should he?


Yea I'm with Kickaha on that one, da PIG wasn't at fault

[Jack Miller]

Will the cop who killed a motorcyclist by stopping on a double yellow line earlier this month accept responsibility?

Why should he?
There is a photo of the Cop's car parked on the double yellow line with the smashed scooter beside it. Prima facie that is reckless driving causing death, if not manslaughter. It's a smoking gun scenario. Sure the Popo has a defense under Section 1.8.b. If he or she can PROVE that the illegal parking act was necessary to the execution of their duty (and couldn't they have asked the person to stop at a safe place?) AND that it didn't create a risk of death or injury. Good luck proving that!

[scumdog]

There is a photo of the Cop's car parked on the double yellow line with the smashed scooter beside it. Prima facie that is reckless driving causing death, if not manslaughter. It's a smoking gun scenario. Sure the Popo has a defense under Section 1.8.b. If he or she can PROVE that the illegal parking act was necessary to the execution of their duty (and couldn't they have asked the person to stop at a safe place?) AND that it didn't create a risk of death or injury. Good luck proving that!

Break out the violins and cry me a river....:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Prima facie that is reckless driving causing death, if not manslaughter.

:whistle: done a bit of law huh.....:thud:

[Kickaha]

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:zzzz:

So what have you done about except whine online?

[Kickaha]

:whistle: done a bit of law huh.....:thud:

I think he's related to DB

[Jack Miller]

:zzzz:

So what have you done about except whine online?

Made an Official Information Act request for all available data on deaths & maimings involving traffic police cars split into those where the victim was breaking the law and those who were not. So far they have stalled me but I am still pursuing it. Once I have the information I will compare the number of innocent maimings and fatalities per km traveled by traffic police cars with the national average. My preliminary research suggests that it is much higher for traffic police. If the full data confirms these initial findings I will include it in the submission I am preparing for the 2020 NZ Land Transport Safety Strategy.

[thepom]

Good on ya jack,its bad enough joe public trying to kill us and it does,nt help with the coppers doing it too.....:angry:

[scumdog]

Good on ya jack,its bad enough joe public trying to kill us and it does,nt help with the coppers doing it too.....:angry:


Yup once he's sorted the cop problem out he can square away the members of public we share the roads with too.

It should be easier 'cos there's more of them to pick fault with:blink:

[ducatilover]

Yup once he's sorted the cop problem out he can square away the members of public we share the roads with too.

It should be easier 'cos there's more of them to pick fault with:blink:

Once the cop problem has gone, we'll have .0000001% less fatalities per decade!!!!!!!!!! I think, we need robots as cops? Because, evidently, when a human one makes a mistake, all of them are bad, scary and sweaty ham fisted apes in a car.


I saw a police officer perform a safe U-turn yesterday, I nearly got splattered by two Mitsi Lancers trying to achieve the same thing.

If I was to be serious about this subject, I'll say, fuck off, the average driver needs more training, not the police force.
But, this is KB.

[Pseudonym]

Back on topic…
I would be asking how accurate his gun was though a concrete barrier while moving at about 100 kph aimed at a motorcycle (not a large target) also doing the same speed but in the other direction.
And how he could be sure it was you when he wouldn’t have been able to see your number plate from the other side of the motorway.
Good luck!