What's the deal with motards and F3?

[racefactory]

Hey guys, what's the deal with motards and F3 these days? I've been trying to find out and it seems there have been a few winges in the past but unsure of what things stand at today.

Just trying to get an idea for as many options possible to enter into with a do it all KTM 525 street motard/off-roader/road racer. Not looking to win prizes or anything, just want to have fun and do battle on track.

[White trash]

You'll have to contact whichever club you hope to race with and find out their suplimentry regs regarding the issue. Some clubs alow it, others don't.

Motards are fucking boring at Pukekohe. A bit o humour at Hampton. Freakin awesome at Taupo. MUrdered at Manfield.

[Quasievil]

Here are the vioces of F3 Riders (ex F3 and Motard Rider myself)

1/ they take different lines waaaa waaaa

2/ they back it in to corners waaaa waaaa

3/ They stick there foot out waaaa waaaa

facts are, which class of race bikes all have the same lines? if they all did race tracks only need be 3ft wide.
On a full blown taupo manfield hampton track NZ motarders are rarely doing the backing in thing, most cant do it anyway. implementing a simple rule to blackflag those few backing it in would have been sufficient to solve this issue.
Sticking their foot out is a load of crap, if anything they stick their foot forward to get the boot of the peg at hard lean angles..........so what?
A knee out on a sports bike takes up more room

the FACT is F3 riders bitched and moaned about it as many of them where getting their arses whipped by a lighter and faster Motard bike thereby upsetting their little personal "WOOO IM LIKE ROSSI" moments........precious fuckers !!

[Wingnut]

2/ they back it in to corners waaaa waaaa


Whatever.:laugh: Apart from Mr Atkins maybe......

I think motards are great. It means more bikes out there which adds to the $$ for entry pool and potentially keeps the entry fees plateaued. Some good racing sometimes too.....

As for running with F3 - just split start em...

[Kickaha]

the FACT is F3 riders bitched and moaned about it as many of them where getting their arses whipped by a lighter and faster Motard bike thereby upsetting their little personal "WOOO IM LIKE ROSSI" moments........precious fuckers !!

Before Motards they did the same thing to 125GP

[Str8 Jacket]

The truth of the matter is that no one racing F3 liked Quasi so they banned motards racing with them. It was all done to piss him off, no real reasoning behind it at all.

[Kickaha]

The truth of the matter is that no one racing F3 liked Quasi so they banned motards racing with them. It was all done to piss him off, no real reasoning behind it at all.

Having met him more than once I can understand that line of thought :whistle:

[wharfy]

Hey guys, what's the deal with motards and F3 these days? I've been trying to find out and it seems there have been a few winges in the past but unsure of what things stand at today.

Just trying to get an idea for as many options possible to enter into with a do it all KTM 525 street motard/off-roader/road racer. Not looking to win prizes or anything, just want to have fun and do battle on track.

There is no deal - no motards in F3

[Wingnut]

Indeed.

If there is a motard class already running - why should they also qualify for the F3 class and get to double dip? Are F3 bikes able to run in the motard class - I don't think so.......

[Kickaha]

Indeed.

If there is a motard class already running - why should they also qualify for the F3 class and get to double dip? Are F3 bikes able to run in the motard class - I don't think so.......

There's a few F3 that also qualify for Pre89 and do both though, if you bike is class eligible there should be no reason you can't cross enter unless it excludes someone who can only enter one class

[crazy man]

Here are the vioces of F3 Riders (ex F3 and Motard Rider myself)

1/ they take different lines waaaa waaaa

2/ they back it in to corners waaaa waaaa

3/ They stick there foot out waaaa waaaa

facts are, which class of race bikes all have the same lines? if they all did race tracks only need be 3ft wide.
On a full blown taupo manfield hampton track NZ motarders are rarely doing the backing in thing, most cant do it anyway. implementing a simple rule to blackflag those few backing it in would have been sufficient to solve this issue.
Sticking their foot out is a load of crap, if anything they stick their foot forward to get the boot of the peg at hard lean angles..........so what?
A knee out on a sports bike takes up more room

the FACT is F3 riders bitched and moaned about it as many of them where getting their arses whipped by a lighter and faster Motard bike thereby upsetting their little personal "WOOO IM LIKE ROSSI" moments........precious fuckers !!4/ and they ram you waaaa waaaa

[Mental Trousers]

the FACT is F3 riders bitched and moaned about it as many of them where getting their arses whipped by a lighter and faster Motard bike thereby upsetting their little personal "WOOO IM LIKE ROSSI" moments........precious fuckers !!

Shaun?? Is that you??

[Kickaha]

Shaun?? Is that you??

Twins, separated at birth

[lostinflyz]

Indeed.

If there is a motard class already running - why should they also qualify for the F3 class and get to double dip? Are F3 bikes able to run in the motard class - I don't think so.......

uhhh if your f3 bike is supermotard legal you could enter it. who has one of those...............thought about it but i reckon they'd get a little grumpy :laugh:

The only problem with motards i ever found is on some corners when they pitch it into the corner hard (ala MX) and your taking a big swoopy line, by the time you find out about it you can be in some trouble, especially when theres a big wall in the middle of your escape plan, which has a tendency to make u a little grumpy.

It's actually the slower, newer S&M guys that cause problems. especially cause there often caught up with slower, less confident newer f3 riders.

[Rodger96]

I believe this qualifies for f3 242665

Your thoughts?

[lostinflyz]

must have clip on's rule 4.6

[Rodger96]

Pretty stupid realy so there saying you cant ride an sv with conventional handle bars

[Quasievil]

Sheesh is that all you lot got, come back after 6 hours and expected a shit fight
pussies.

They should drop F3, no one cares about f3 anyway, pointless class that goes no where nationally or internationally


:shifty:

[White trash]

They should drop F3, no one cares about f3 anyway, pointless class that goes no where nationally or internationally

They have, retard. It's called Superlight. Get with the fucking program.

Moran.

[Quasievil]

They have, retard. It's called Superlight. Get with the fucking program.

Moran.

Moran ? I will accept Moron as a insult but Moran ?

Yeah your right I havent got with the programme with the new names.
you can all it anything you like tho its still F3.

Im bored I was genuinely trying to get some bites but this bait aint big enough.......... changes hook and chucks on a great big piece of "get rid of sidecars to"




what ya say to that ya Dalton pussy

[White trash]

Well there's me, and two other Daltons that say you're full of shit. If Retards were the go, then why don't you have one? Oh that's right, you know that litre bikes are the action.

R1's are nice eh? One day you'll be a big boy and get a cross plane. (If Paula lets ya....)

[Quasievil]

Well there's me, and two other Daltons that say you're full of shit. If Retards were the go, then why don't you have one? Oh that's right, you know that litre bikes are the action.

R1's are nice eh? One day you'll be a big boy and get a cross plane. (If Paula lets ya....)

I would love another Motard, might still get one sometime, meantime I will just help out and annoy people.
I think I prefer the 2008 so will keep that for now, I will do a bunch of trackdays this year to keep the bug at bay.

[Wannabiker]

The KTM probably qualifies for BEARs ....:shifty:

[White trash]

I would love another Motard, might still get one sometime, meantime I will just help out and annoy people.
I think I prefer the 2008 so will keep that for now, I will do a bunch of trackdays this year to keep the bug at bay.

Not much of a biter anymore, are ya big fella? Where's the old Quasi, who ripped into halfarsed troll atempts?

Pffft, you're not worthy. Let us know when you're tough enough to race a chook chaser with sports bikes again. Poof.

[scracha]

Here are the vioces of F3 Riders (ex F3 and Motard Rider myself)

1/ they take different lines waaaa waaaa


Yeah, they're lighter, faster and more imporantly, slow down A LOT quicker...often sideways. We want to race against similar machinery. Laptimes of a decently ridden motard on most of NZ's short tracks are more akin to F2. If you want to race against different machinery, there's a class called clubmans. By your analogy I guess you'd also be happy racing your motard against Holden V8 Utes?


Plus many motard riders can't ride for shit. I mean, just look at the idiot in this video
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Quasi is right though....F3 is a stupid class these days and really needs to be opened up to a lot of newer motorcycles. Phasers, XJ6's, GSR's, 696 Ducati Monsters, Bandit 650's, 600 hornets, ZR750s', Aprillia Shivers, GSF750's, etc should all be investigated and it would make the racing far more relevant, cheaper and get more riders racing.

[Quasievil]

Not much of a biter anymore, are ya big fella? Where's the old Quasi, who ripped into halfarsed troll atempts?

Pffft, you're not worthy. Let us know when you're tough enough to race a chook chaser with sports bikes again. Poof.

FUCK YOU Trash, Im goin to come down there and get you drunk you cunt.

[budda]

I believe this qualifies for f3 242665

Your thoughts?

Throw a fairing and rearsets on the thing and prove the F450 concept in SuperLite , ya firewood hoardin fairy

[codgyoleracer]

FUCK YOU Trash, Im goin to come down there and get you drunk you cunt.

You've obviously got far too much money, - I've seen Trashy drink..........

[slowpoke]

Yeah, they're lighter, faster and more imporantly, slow down A LOT quicker...often sideways. We want to race against similar machinery. Laptimes of a decently ridden motard on most of NZ's short tracks are more akin to F2. If you want to race against different machinery, there's a class called clubmans. By your analogy I guess you'd also be happy racing your motard against Holden V8 Utes?

Quasi is right though....F3 is a stupid class these days and really needs to be opened up to a lot of newer motorcycles. Phasers, XJ6's, GSR's, 696 Ducati Monsters, Bandit 650's, 600 hornets, ZR750s', Aprillia Shivers, GSF750's, etc should all be investigated and it would make the racing far more relevant, cheaper and get more riders racing.

Nah, as Jimmy mentioned, a 'tard isn't much fun or very competitive anywhere except Toepaw.

Trouble with most of the bikes you mentioned is they'd just end up being unfaired versions of their Supersport cousins. A Hornet ends up being powered by a CBR600RR donk (or most parts thereof), GSF/GSXR750 etc. You can already race a 2 valve 750 so Monsters are already a goer.

I like the idea of a class for tinkerers, creating GeeDub's "Duke" framed SV, Ozzy's 450 triples, or Greg Percival's de-stroked R6 etc. Long live the big brained alternative thinkers and their red wine fuelled inspiration.

As for the 'tard's in F3? If they are gonna ride in an appropriate manner then go for it. A bike is a bike, so if something meets the class rules then what's the problem? To say clip-ons are required smacks of someone getting their arse kicked and desperately thinking of a way to make it stop.

[Crasherfromwayback]

FUCK YOU Trash, Im goin to come down there and get you drunk you cunt.

Then what?

[CHOPPA]

Maybe they could race with sidecars?? As long as they are not on track with F1 I dont mind :woohoo:

Seriously though proper supermoto would be sick!

[scracha]

Trouble with most of the bikes you mentioned is they'd just end up being unfaired versions of their Supersport cousins. A Hornet ends up being powered by a CBR600RR donk (or most parts thereof), GSF/GSXR750 etc. You can already race a 2 valve 750 so Monsters are already a goer.

My point being is that they should be investigated and restrictions (as per pro twins or any other class) placed on them to keep the racing close. Most of the bikes I mentioned are hobbled by their crappier brakes/frame/forks/wheels. Shit, lets have midified cruisers in there if the racing is still close.



I like the idea of a class for tinkerers, creating GeeDub's "Duke" framed SV, Ozzy's 450 triples, or Greg Percival's de-stroked R6 etc. Long live the big brained alternative thinkers and their red wine fuelled inspiration.

I like the idea of a class that's a useful step up between 125 and F2. F3 in its current state isn't. Tinkerers etc are all fun etc but the point is to get bums on the grid and keep the manufacturers happy. Even if it wins, Suzuki aren't gonna have an Ozzy 450 triple or an SVR650 in their advertising any time soon.



As for the 'tard's in F3? If they are gonna ride in an appropriate manner then go for it.
Put em in F2 and see how happy the 600 riders are dicing with them.

Look, they've got their own class. They could even have a 2nd class if they didn't choose to be such poofters and not do proper motard racing (you know, wet bits, mud and jumps like the folks who invented the sport).

[crazy man]

long live the SVR650

[Kickaha]

Maybe they could race with sidecars?? As long as they are not on track with F1 I dont mind :woohoo:

Seriously though proper supermoto would be sick!

Fuck yeah sidecars boys would be keen, I've done mixed practice sessions and it can be "interesting"

[racefactory]

I don't see why people should be against people cross entering bikes. Surely with all the effort that goes into getting down to attend and what not, that more racing time for people would be good for the sport; especially considering small numbers in NZ. Besides, there are a number of bikes that can be entered into post-classic and F3.

To me, it sounds like there have been a few wingers and spoil sports that aren't man enough to handle mx bikes with less than half the power giving them the learn. I know that people can't even handle that fact on the road with all the shiny sports bikes suffering from the red mist trying to ride with motards. Sounds like it's about people's egos.

What's even more pathetic is this banning the foot out style mentality. This is surely just the excuse that all the old codgers have clung to in order to rid motards. The foot goes out no further than the shoulders and on a motard you sit on top of the bike, not hanging off the side. If anything they are a more narrow object on track than a bike and rider in the hang off style. Quite simply, what a load of bollocks.

[ktm]

I don't own a motard, but I agree with everything Race Factory says.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sounds like it's about people's egos.

. Quite simply, what a load of bollocks.

I've been road racing dirtbikes probably longer than anyone else here, and you'll never change peoples attitude toward them.

[CHOPPA]

I enjoy riding motards, as far as all you guys thinking they are faster then a road bike (on a road race track) then you are wrong. Some motard riders are better then road riders... Simple!

For those that think its not a safety thing with a guy on a motard racing against a road bike, ill borrow a motard and you come out on a racebike and ill show you a block pass moto style.

I got taken out by a motard (when i was passing him around the outside) he crashed his bike slid under mine, wrecked my bike put a hole in the radiator overheated warped the head and soften the block so the threads were poked. His bike had some scratches on the plastic.

The fact that its so much easier to make an aggressive pass and the fact that you dont have to worry about $$$ damage makes them inappropriate to race against sportsbikes imo

The no foot out rule is stupid, they seem to enforce this rule even in the motard only classes??

[Quasievil]

The no foot out rule is stupid, they seem to enforce this rule even in the motard only classes??


YUP VMCC two years ago they stopped us when we came into the pits (after the race) told us to turn off the engines and said "this is a roadracing event and under no circumstances can you put your foot out" Motards where the only ones racing.

WHAT A COCK !!

of course we called his bluff and we all put our foot out.

just shows the anti motard crap out there.

Paeroa and Wanganui F3 or Motard lol, like thats hard to think about.

What I hate about Choppa tho is when he rode my Motard at Taupo and I rode his GSXR1000 (his dads one) and I struggled keeping up with him, such an ASS that man !!

[White trash]

I've been road racing dirtbikes probably longer than anyone blah blah blah

"Racing" and "crashing" are two totaly different sports.

[CHOPPA]

Id have a supermoto bike in a heart beat if instead of complaining about wanting to ride in a class other then there own is if there was some more effort put into getting some proper supermoto up and going!

How many of you motard riders are supporting the 2 hour supermoto at Taupo? If you are and want a partner let me know haha I think I got 2nd or 3rd last year with Ollie

[White trash]

he rode my Motard at Taupo and I rode his GSXR1000 (his dads one) and I struggled keeping up with him, such an ASS that man !!

Ummmm, I was there that day. You didn't struggle to keep up, you just didn't keep up. We were LOLing all around the pits watching that :)

[White trash]

If you are and want a partner let me know haha I think I got 2nd or 3rd last year with Ollie

I've got a 350 SXF with knobblies on if you're keen Chop?

[CHOPPA]

I've got a 350 SXF with knobblies on if you're keen Chop?

Ill be keen for sunday!! Ill find some MX....

[CHOPPA]

http://silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=8641

Yeah baby!! Lets hit that! Im pretty keen to buy one..... I just need a demo ride...

[Quasievil]

Ummmm, I was there that day. You didn't struggle to keep up, you just didn't keep up. We were LOLing all around the pits watching that :)no you cheeky fucker thats not true, on the corners maybe I could have passed him on the straights OF COURSE but I wanted to watch.....fuck I aint that freckin slow you HOMO

[Crasherfromwayback]

"Racing" and "crashing" are two totaly different sports.

What would you know? You've only ever done one of them.:bye:

[roadracingoldfart]

What would you know? You've only ever done one of them.:bye:

Nooooo , he tried them both but only perfected one of them.

[roadracingoldfart]

Here are the vioces of F3 Riders (ex F3 and Motard Rider myself)

1/ they take different lines waaaa waaaa

2/ they back it in to corners waaaa waaaa

3/ They stick there foot out waaaa waaaa

facts are, which class of race bikes all have the same lines? if they all did race tracks only need be 3ft wide.
On a full blown taupo manfield hampton track NZ motarders are rarely doing the backing in thing, most cant do it anyway. implementing a simple rule to blackflag those few backing it in would have been sufficient to solve this issue.
Sticking their foot out is a load of crap, if anything they stick their foot forward to get the boot of the peg at hard lean angles..........so what?
A knee out on a sports bike takes up more room

the FACT is F3 riders bitched and moaned about it as many of them where getting their arses whipped by a lighter and faster Motard bike thereby upsetting their little personal "WOOO IM LIKE ROSSI" moments........precious fuckers !!


And of course you will have to admit that REAL Motard riders want and use ashphalt and dirt . I have only seen one event using both surfaces in the Motard class.
Motard has a class , Superlite has a class. Why do Motard biggots always want to have 2 classes when there is only one class available for thier machines.?

[racefactory]

I would race asphalt and dirt if there was the option.

[wharfy]

I would race asphalt and dirt if there was the option.

Go to Greymouth at Labour weekend - they usually have a dirt section :yes:

[Grumph]

And very amusing to watch it is too....

One very real problem not mentioned so far is the likelihood of a motard handlebar in the head of a crouched rider on a "normal" roadrace bike. At street circuits it becomes very apparent due to the resticted racing room.

As Budda has suggested, follow the yanks who run a very successful singles class based on 450 motards - suitably modified for roadracing.These would fit into our existing F3 nicely.

[Deano]

And very amusing to watch it is too....

One very real problem not mentioned so far is the likelihood of a motard handlebar in the head of a crouched rider on a "normal" roadrace bike. At street circuits it becomes very apparent due to the resticted racing room.

As Budda has suggested, follow the yanks who run a very successful singles class based on 450 motards - suitably modified for roadracing.These would fit into our existing F3 nicely.

Check out LostnFlys "Vespa" 550 - thats one sweet motard converted to F3.

[Quasievil]

One very real problem not mentioned so far is the likelihood of a motard handlebar in the head of a crouched rider on a "normal" roadrace bike.

Ya What ??

how the fuck would that happen ?

[racefactory]

I also don't get how on earth that would happen?

[White trash]

I would race asphalt and dirt if there was the option.

So we'll see you at the Super Moto Endurance race at Taupo soon then? 60% Asphalt, 40% dirt.

[racefactory]

Thanks, didn't know it was on for 2011! Can only find dates and info for 2010.

[Grumph]

Ya What ??

how the fuck would that happen ?

Motard on outside line as they prefer....F3 comes up inside on brakes...motard turns in and the bar end is just the right height to collect the other rider at head or shoulder height.

Get out and spectate more....before the classes were separated I saw this happen several times at Greymouth. It's also not uncommon at BEARS meetings at Ruapuna - the dipper seems to bring out the worst in people and there's usually a conventional racer vs motard accident in there at most BEARS meetings on the full circuit.

[Quasievil]

Motard on outside line as they prefer....F3 comes up inside on brakes...motard turns in and the bar end is just the right height to collect the other rider at head or shoulder height.

Get out and spectate more....before the classes were separated I saw this happen several times at Greymouth. It's also not uncommon at BEARS meetings at Ruapuna - the dipper seems to bring out the worst in people and there's usually a conventional racer vs motard accident in there at most BEARS meetings on the full circuit.

Really, so the F3 rider isnt leaning his head into the corner ?

Im still not sold on that one, I think youre dreaming bro:yes:

[Grumph]

No bro sir...old enough to be your dad (shudder)...seen a lot of racing mate.
Done a lot too...and experienced enough to know what I'm looking at.

[racefactory]

Surely the road racer would be off the side of the bike leaning over into the corner?

[Quasievil]

Thing I cant work out is why the handlebar? I mean that will upset the bike, if a sportsbike steals my inside line I normally stick the boot in to his thigh you know "charlie" style:yes:

[Kickaha]

Im still not sold on that one, I think youre dreaming bro:yes:

Ask K14, pretty sure he had something along those lines happen at Ruapuna

[lostinflyz]

most of the issues i know have always been with guys who are new to racing or uncomfortable (street racing). Thus the whole not off the bike leaning into the corner thing.

Anyway if anyone wanted a motard/f3 eligible bike you could convert a proper motard to a Road race bike in about 20 minutes if designed right. We could do the conversion shown in the video below in about that time if we thought about it right, with either road or off road forks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDwxanI8Hx8

[racefactory]

That is very cool...

[Newo]

Agreed. Nice lookin bike too.

[Wingnut]

most of the issues i know have always been with guys who are new to racing or uncomfortable (street racing). Thus the whole not off the bike leaning into the corner thing.

Anyway if anyone wanted a motard/f3 eligible bike you could convert a proper motard to a Road race bike in about 20 minutes if designed right. We could do the conversion shown in the video below in about that time if we thought about it right, with either road or off road forks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDwxanI8Hx8

Hey Tim - You should build one of those!!!!:love:

[lostinflyz]

i want to. but as im a couple k short of making my bike ready for the season i can't.

but if someone had a 450 and wanted to do it most of the bits to do it are in the garage or a call away

[budda]

i want to. but as im a couple k short of making my bike ready for the season i can't.

but if someone had a 450 and wanted to do it most of the bits to do it are in the garage or a call away

Thanks for putting up the vid Tim - the guys in the States are running standard Frames, Swingarms, Subframe, Radiators, essentially just change the front end to either road forks ( or shorten the dirt ones, which works well ), shorten the shock, fit rearsets/tailpiece/fairing and asstd brackets, and TAH DAAAAH .........

Similar power to weight ratio to a stock 600, light enough for a smaller rider, cheap enough to build, AND YOU CAN CONVERT IT BACK TO DIRT if you have absolutely no taste and dont enjoy yourself

[lostinflyz]

Thanks for putting up the vid Tim - the guys in the States are running standard Frames, Swingarms, Subframe, Radiators, essentially just change the front end to either road forks ( or shorten the dirt ones, which works well ), shorten the shock, fit rearsets/tailpiece/fairing and asstd brackets, and TAH DAAAAH .........

Similar power to weight ratio to a stock 600, light enough for a smaller rider, cheap enough to build, AND YOU CAN CONVERT IT BACK TO DIRT if you have absolutely no taste and dont enjoy yourself

yip, i think you could have a great club racing bike by just tweaking stock front, rear, rearsets, fairings and clipons. Probably need triples (same cost as replacement front end!!!). but outside that you'd be there. Would be very competitive at club level, and not disgraceful at nats i would imagine. You could do the entire conversion for only 2-3k, depending how much you would do yourself and being intelligent.

My understanding is for anything normal (i.e. not the aprilia, but kxf, RMZ, CRF, RMZ, KTM) racetech can do road race appropriate springs for Supermono conversions for stock fronts, and the rears even easier. I would love to build one up properly to see how quick you could get one on a bog stock 450 motor.

FYI the fastest in the states (not sure about the UK, and in Spain they run a marzochi special front end) have all been on stock front and rear ends, albeit modified. And thats judged by some properly fast fellers.

[gimpy]

i once raced my F3 bike in motards one year at the battle of the streets ,I couldn't get an entry into F3 because it was full of motard bikes cross entering so I entered in motards as it was technically eligable ,started from the back of the grid and won the race ,fuck you should of heard the moaning from the motard riders after that ,funny as fuck.

[slowpoke]

i once raced my F3 bike in motards one year at the battle of the streets ,I couldn't get an entry into F3 because it was full of motard bikes cross entering so I entered in motards as it was technically eligable ,started from the back of the grid and won the race ,fuck you should of heard the moaning from the motard riders after that ,funny as fuck.

Haha, that's farkin' brilliant!

[codgyoleracer]

i once raced my F3 bike in motards one year at the battle of the streets ,I couldn't get an entry into F3 because it was full of motard bikes cross entering so I entered in motards as it was technically eligable ,started from the back of the grid and won the race ,fuck you should of heard the moaning from the motard riders after that ,funny as fuck.

I heard the organisers that year made the decision to let you enter/race for the following reasons

1) "Weve never seen that bike finish a race so may as well let him enter anyway"
2) "That thing looks like its about to fall apart - may as well let him race it"
3) "Its way to small to be competitve anyway - may as well let it race"

Same theory applied to me in last year champs.............. DOH ! :-)

[k14]

Ask K14, pretty sure he had something along those lines happen at Ruapuna
Yep, came through pothole on my 125 and got up along side a motard. When he opened the throttle my passing momentum was cancelled and we were side by side. I am not sure if it was me or both of us but we moved towards each other and his handlebar got caught on my neck right under my helmet. I tried to move to the side but I think I sat up a little when I did that. I felt the handlebar go away and thought we both got away free. However I looked back to see him sliding on his arse in the grass beside the track. When I moved up I think I just made his bike fall right over. So I guess it was the motard that got damaged in the end, the rules are made to protect them :woohoo:

[crazy man]

i once raced my F3 bike in motards one year at the battle of the streets ,I couldn't get an entry into F3 because it was full of motard bikes cross entering so I entered in motards as it was technically eligable ,started from the back of the grid and won the race ,fuck you should of heard the moaning from the motard riders after that ,funny as fuck.ha ha good one would of loved to see you put one over the buggers

[Quasievil]

ha ha good one would of loved to see you put one over the buggers

Woop Woop it happened once and you want to write a folksong about it.

a move on Darrin Humphries for your viewing pleasure, how the hell would a handlebar get under his helmet, the only reason that happened K14 was he was binning it cause you cut of his line:yes:

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[FROSTY]

i once raced my F3 bike in motards one year at the battle of the streets ,I couldn't get an entry into F3 because it was full of motard bikes cross entering so I entered in motards as it was technically eligable ,started from the back of the grid and won the race ,fuck you should of heard the moaning from the motard riders after that ,funny as fuck.
It wasn't that the class was full of tards. You wanted to EOD and special treatment because you were gonna win :innocent:. Everyone else paid their money months in advance. That and you asked Chris Costello whos default setting in NO

[FROSTY]

Thing I cant work out is why the handlebar? I mean that will upset the bike, if a sportsbike steals my inside line I normally stick the boot in to his thigh you know "charlie" style:yes:
Ya know thats a HUGE turnaround from the MOST vocal guy in the pits against tards in F3. You remember that tard that stopped dead in front of ya at Taupoo and you nigh on shat ya dacks trying to avoid him?

[Quasievil]

Ya know thats a HUGE turnaround from the MOST vocal guy in the pits against tards in F3. You remember that tard that stopped dead in front of ya at Taupoo and you nigh on shat ya dacks trying to avoid him?

Dont remember that au.

I didnt mind them so much, I liked racing against them, and I know prefer to race them over a sportsbike.

[FROSTY]

Dont remember that au.

I didnt mind them so much, I liked racing against them, and I know prefer to race them over a sportsbike.
Just c all me the elephant man--I remember cos not long after that you did your sayxy as arse skate impression on past me--ya remember that for a pass to stick you actually have to be ON the bike doncha?

[Quasievil]

Just c all me the elephant man--I remember cos not long after that you did your sayxy as arse skate impression on past me--ya remember that for a pass to stick you actually have to be ON the bike doncha?

fuck aint that like 7 years ago on me gsxr400 sp thing ?

[gimpy]

It wasn't that the class was full of tards. You wanted to EOD and special treatment because you were gonna win :innocent:. Everyone else paid their money months in advance. That and you asked Chris Costello whos default setting in NO

you should get ya facts right before you right bullshit frosty

[FROSTY]

you should get ya facts right before you right bullshit frosty
Dude--I was the guy with the yellow ZXR400 standing right there when you were being told.
You got all pissed off and said "you knew and they knew you would win it".
The reply was--"so do you want me to throw out guys who have paid their money months in advance-like this guy" (pointing at me)
I remember it VERY clearly because I thought --ferk this I'm outa here in case they say yes and I don't get to race.

[gimpy]

Dude--I was the guy with the yellow ZXR400 standing right there when you were being told.
You got all pissed off and said "you knew and they knew you would win it".
The reply was--"so do you want me to throw out guys who have paid their money months in advance-like this guy" (pointing at me)
I remember it VERY clearly because I thought --ferk this I'm outa here in case they say yes and I don't get to race.

Thats where your wrong again, i did enter before the closing date but the class was already full (bloody motards) so i entered motards ,on the day acouple of F3 bikes pulled out so i asked if i could take one of those spots (one of those riders even said I could have his entry), the clerk of the course didn't have a problem with it but the organisers did , I never asked or have asked for any special treatment all i asked for was for abit of common sense.maybe top riders should get more special treatment cause im pretty sure most people go to watch top riders going fast them the people they are lapping. Over and out

[crazy man]

Thats where your wrong again, i did enter before the closing date but the class was already full (bloody motards) so i entered motards ,on the day acouple of F3 bikes pulled out so i asked if i could take one of those spots (one of those riders even said I could have his entry), the clerk of the course didn't have a problem with it but the organisers did , I never asked or have asked for any special treatment all i asked for was for abit of common sense.maybe top riders should get more special treatment cause im pretty sure most people go to watch top riders going fast them the people they are lapping. Over and outgoing back a few years now l entered whanganui street race for f3 got a phone call from them to say the class was full ...thats ok... but when l went to watch it 50% of the class was motards. what a piss of when they had there bloody own class!