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Gibbo89
5th October 2011, 19:35
Hi all,

I am just starting this thread to basically gauge what you all think about the new apple product coming soon(ish) to our shores.

It's not the huge revamp/redesign that some were predicting.

Will you be tempted to get it? Spec wise it seems like it's nothing ground breaking compared to what the Android phones are pumping out these days. But I'm sure it will hold it's own and still be the most popular smartphone or thereabouts.

And with the Google Nexus Prime announced next week I beleive, it would be silly not too wait and see what they will offer with that new phone.

Are any of you with the iphone 4 tempted to get the new 4s when it comes out in NZ? Or is it not a big enough jump in specs etc to justify spending some pretty hefty coin on it?

I personally am on an 'old school' phone and have been awaiting the announcement of this new phone for ages and am hoping to get a smartphone soon enough. So any smartphone to me will be pretty epic seeing as I've never owned one before.

I kind of wonder though if the 4s isn't the 'breakthrough' phone some said it would be, then perhaps the iphone5 is the thing to revolutionize the mobile phone market. Don't think I'm going to stick with this old sony ericsson for much longer though...

Anyway... Thoughts/Urges/Feelings on this new product :woohoo:

nathanwhite
5th October 2011, 19:40
If it is anything like the 3GS upgrade, it'll just be faster and maybe some minor software changes. Nothing to get too fussed over, iPhone4 is currently fast enough

NZsarge
5th October 2011, 19:43
No it isn't the big leap forward that some expected but the improvements are relevant and mostly useful particularly the extra battery life and things like the new A5 processor and the 8mp camera and improved reception capabilities.
It's nice and keeps the phone realitively current.
If you work looking for something revolutionary then the wait continues, iPhone 5 perhaps...

JimO
5th October 2011, 19:54
im waiting for them to cost $350.00 before i buy one

steve_t
5th October 2011, 19:58
That Siri is pretty frickin amazing!

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I'll consider getting one but will wait for the Nexus Prime announcement too

Taz
5th October 2011, 20:01
Does it make phone calls?

steve_t
5th October 2011, 20:03
I am just starting this thread to basically gauge what you all think about the new apple product coming soon(ish) to our shores.


I wonder when it might come

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10756628

Scuba_Steve
5th October 2011, 20:06
Does it make phone calls?

A cell phone for calls??? when are you living 1999??? :laugh::innocent:

JimO
5th October 2011, 20:12
A cell phone for calls??? when are you living 1999??? :laugh::innocent:

i paid over 2k for this and all it did was make calls


http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x67/jim157/Unknown-1-6.jpg

oneofsix
5th October 2011, 20:20
i paid over 2k for this and all it did was make calls


http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x67/jim157/Unknown-1-6.jpg

lookie there, one of the original pocket phones. Glad you weren't an early adopter. :innocent:

steve_t
5th October 2011, 20:23
lookie there, one of the original pocket phones. Glad you weren't an early adopter. :innocent:

Early adopters had to lug these briefcase style phones around

http://www.rufkm.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Briefcase-273x300.jpg

EJK
5th October 2011, 20:27
I say it is the best iPhone in its design generation.
Look at the trend:

1st design: iPhone/3G -> 3GS
2nd design: iPhone 4 -> 4S

After that will be the all new iPhone (maybe).

Siri is very cool and will be very useful but it is not the world's first. My Galaxy S2 has that very similar stuff provided by Google and Samsung. Siri is ofcourse more advanced, but definitely not the first.

Introduction to the iCloud will definitely keep Apple users stick to Apple products for sure. I'm not sure if the new cloud computing will be fully utilised in NZ due to lack of speed and so on but definitely it is something advanced and will become useful in the future (I'm writing a report on this topic for uni research currently).

oneofsix
5th October 2011, 20:28
Early adopters had to lug these briefcase style phones around

http://www.rufkm.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Briefcase-273x300.jpg

brings back memories of when the word yuppie was brand new, the yuppie trader was the expected market but it was the tradesman that found them most useful which was lucky for the market mobile market after the stock market crash of the 80s

Usarka
5th October 2011, 20:29
Bring on iMplant <sup>TM</sup>

oneofsix
5th October 2011, 20:34
Bring on iMplant <sup>TM</sup>

that would be the one with the automatic Facebook<sup>TM</sup> uplink so Zucks can have you even sharing your thoughts and fantasies?
Just like KB :shutup:

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 20:36
I really don't understand the 'hype' personally. I'm a long term Apple consumer, but you'd think it was a cancer cure from the amount of press it gets/angst it causes.

I have a $49 nokia mobile phone than more than adequately meets my needs.

I do enjoy my iPod and Ipad as gaming/entertainment devices too.

Usarka
5th October 2011, 20:37
I really don't understand the 'hype' arse biscuits. I'm a long term Apple consumer, but you'd think it was a cancer cure from the amount of press it gets/angst it causes.

Arse biscuits I have a $49 nokia mobile phone than more than adequately meets my needs.

Dave? Dave?

sil3nt
5th October 2011, 20:42
Don't understand why people would buy apple when their are so many other products that do the same thing for a lot less money and are a lot less restrictive. I am considering getting my first smartphone. But i only use my current phone as an alarm and i only want a smart phone for its gps tracking apps so it seems like a bit of a waste.

Usarka
5th October 2011, 20:43
49% of smart phone sales are android. Apple only has about 30% of the market. (was on the news, not sure if that's NZ or overseas or worldwide).

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 20:44
Dave? Dave?

:-)

Well, it does. Basically I don't use it.

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 20:48
Edit that quote to get rid of the over used personally will ya.

I'm writing bike reviews at the same time and not paying enough attention.

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 20:51
Don't understand why people would buy apple

As far as the fone goes - I agree, other hardware is mainly based on the software acquisition path I started down more than 20 years ago.

Usarka
5th October 2011, 20:51
Done. :innocent:

sil3nt
5th October 2011, 21:15
As far as the fone goes - I agree, other hardware is mainly based on the software acquisition path I started down more than 20 years ago.Parents recently purchased an iMac and a Macbook Pro.

Macbook pro randomly crashes/restarts. Ring apple and get told to ring another number that costs per/min. After Dad told them to get fucked (politely) he takes it in to a shop where they find its a hardware fault.

iMac chews through batteries randomly. Constantly loses mouse keyboard/connection. Logitech mouse fixes that. Couldnt get the bluetooth settings showing up so another call to apple where again they direct us to the pay per min help where again we tell them to stick it and they eventually give us a keyboard combo to reset the machine and get the bluetooth settings to show.

Apple support is shit. Apple hardware is shit.

It is nice that the iMac renders my blender projects a few seconds quicker than my PC but its not worth all the bullshit to get there!

I realise this has nothing to do with this thread but its why i will never buy apple.

Scuba_Steve
5th October 2011, 21:32
Don't understand why people would buy apple when their are so many other products that do the same thing for a lot less money and are a lot less restrictive.

let me know when you find one... Galaxy S II is a similar price & doesn't do the same but does similar, might be "less restrictive tho" but nothing a jailbreak doesn't fix

Gibbo89
5th October 2011, 21:45
Cheers for the feedback and thoughts. I personally wouldn't have considered an apple product a while a go... now I'm more open to the idea. Battery life improving on the iphone seems pretty good to me. My current phone lasts around a week (it's switched off at night) but there's no way I'm expecting anything near that from these smartphones. I like the idea of the wifi on the phones and having an cell phone/ipod in one seems pretty cool.

I think it mentioned this iphone 4s is going to be more of a 'global phone' in that you can travel with it to most countries and it should not have issues with it being on certain frequencies etc. That personally appeals to me. Having to sort out global roaming type things suck.

I have heard mixed reviews of those top android phones like the galaxy s2.

The android phones seem quite heavily 'customizable', which to some peoplewould be awesome - I kind of want one that just works perfectly straight out of the box so to speak. And doesn't need certain apps to get the most out of the phone. Maybe I've been misguided on this aspect of android phones... who knows. I just wanna have a play on them new smartphones and see what tickles my fancy.

EJK
5th October 2011, 21:58
The android phones seem quite heavily 'customizable', which to some peoplewould be awesome - I kind of want one that just works perfectly straight out of the box so to speak. And doesn't need certain apps to get the most out of the phone. Maybe I've been misguided on this aspect of android phones... who knows. I just wanna have a play on them new smartphones and see what tickles my fancy.

I never used an Apple iPhone before so I wouldn't know but your thoughts on Android phones aren't far. I do in a sense like the "out of the box" thing so I keep mine not rooted (jailbreak or whatever), however I have took some time to customise it for my needs: such as downloading this and that applications. Like someone said, Android is highly customisable (and flexible). I guess that is one point of having a smartphone, to fit to your lifestyle, usage and living.

If you want something that works perfectly just out of the box a $49 Nokia would be the perfect choice :lol: Just kidding.

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 22:01
shit blah blah blah.

I've had about 25 years of full time, high volume, professional graphics business use. Since well before windows had colour sync - which was the main reason to choose an Apple for pre-press back then. Over that time I'd rate my customer satisfaction as high.

Big Dave
5th October 2011, 22:35
If you want something that works perfectly just out of the box a $49 Nokia would be the perfect choice


Fuck yeah - it's a telephone. The camera is much better than an iPhone 4 too.

Gremlin
6th October 2011, 00:59
Not really interested in the iPhone4s, but then, I don't own Apple products and don't like them (in a lot of ways). Presumably I'll end up playing with a customer's one at some point.

From a business point of view, I've found the Androids fucking terrible. Each one you pick up is different, and I think I've had a 0% success rate in getting them fully functioning with Exchange Servers. Random security errors when all the ducks are in a row and iPhones and others have no issues. Then some models lack basic things like syncing tasks... they're a right nightmare.

Been using "smartphones" for years. Supported imates made by HTC before HTC properly entered the market, used several Nokia E series, and finally I'm on Blackberry. Been most satisfied with Blackberry, even going as far as syncing notes (haven't found another device that does), plus numerous other little things like being able to multi-task, copy info from here to there (no, plenty of other devices don't let you move info wherever you want) etc. Still, it's overkill for your average user, as it's coupled to a Blackberry server etc, which no normal user needs.

2wheeled Gasman
6th October 2011, 06:34
let me know when you find one... Galaxy S II is a similar price & doesn't do the same but does similar, might be "less restrictive tho" but nothing a jailbreak doesn't fix

If you ask me ,I think the Iphone 4s is a copy of the samsung galaxy s2, down to the letter s , dual core , a bigger and better screen, and probably more!:facepalm:

spajohn
6th October 2011, 06:37
I have heard mixed reviews of those top android phones like the galaxy s2.


If you look at the talktime of the Galaxy (3 hours) compared with the new iPhone which is about 2-3 times more I think its a no brainer. As for the reason to upgrade, I think the processor alone is worth it. You will want to install apps once you have it and it will make a difference, let alone with the new iOS enhancements.

I'm an IT guy and I get fed up with all the usual hype with these releases and the subsequent criticism of features. I think this is a significant upgrade to the phone, just because it doesn't have a new funky look that sets it apart from anything on this planet ever(!) doesn't mean its not a good upgrade.

As for service I have only had excellent experiences from Apple (not their resellers - Magnum Mac anyone!) including from their call centre off shore. Most importantly they are well educated in their product and you get results rather than some muppet that is reading from a script and doesn't understand what they are saying (think Telecom XTRA support!).

Personally I wouldn't touch Android. I guess the malware in their store will get addressed but the reason people like it (loose publishing rules, high customizable) is what make it less reliable than iPhones. And did I mention battery life?

spajohn
6th October 2011, 06:42
Not really interested in the iPhone4s, but then, I don't own Apple products and don't like them (in a lot of ways).

All right, I have to ask...if the iPhone works compared to Android what don't you like?

As for Blackberry at work they are great (apart from web browsing) but unfortunately are a different beast outside of Enterprise environments.

FlangMasterJ
6th October 2011, 06:42
I'm getting one.

Berries
6th October 2011, 06:45
As for service I have only had excellent experiences from Apple (not their resellers - Magnum Mac anyone!) including from their call centre off shore.
Never had a bad experience at Magnum Mac myself. But then I only have Apple computers - I'm still using a $60 Nokia cellphone.

NZsarge
6th October 2011, 08:04
I have the 3GS, not super motivated to buy the 4S but I wouldn't hassle anyone for upgrading. There would have to be further upgrades that are relevant to my needs and likes before i'd considering further outlay on a new iPhone. Or any other smart phone for that matter as i don't currently see any other phone out there being significantly better the the iPhone 4S.
Truth be known if the iPhone I have now dies anywhere in the nearish future i'll be buying a $80 jobby from the local servo.

Scuba_Steve
6th October 2011, 08:17
If you ask me ,I think the Iphone 4s is a copy of the samsung galaxy s2, down to the letter s , dual core , a bigger and better screen, and probably more!:facepalm:

Think you should check who's suing who for copying :innocent:

Scuba_Steve
6th October 2011, 08:19
All honesty I'd wait for iPhone5 unless you super excitedly need a smartphone now & can't wait for 5 or your someone that needs the latest & greatest (tho thats an expensive lifestyle)

JimO
6th October 2011, 10:39
Parents recently purchased an iMac and a Macbook Pro.

Macbook pro randomly crashes/restarts. Ring apple and get told to ring another number that costs per/min. After Dad told them to get fucked (politely) he takes it in to a shop where they find its a hardware fault.

iMac chews through batteries randomly. Constantly loses mouse keyboard/connection. Logitech mouse fixes that. Couldnt get the bluetooth settings showing up so another call to apple where again they direct us to the pay per min help where again we tell them to stick it and they eventually give us a keyboard combo to reset the machine and get the bluetooth settings to show.

Apple support is shit. Apple hardware is shit.

It is nice that the iMac renders my blender projects a few seconds quicker than my PC but its not worth all the bullshit to get there!

I realise this has nothing to do with this thread but its why i will never buy apple.

we have 2G5 macks and 2 macbooks and 6 ipods plus a older imac never had a problem with any of them and have been using macs for the last 10 years

Big Dave
6th October 2011, 11:47
Jobs has passed away. Sad bit.

steve_t
6th October 2011, 12:41
Jobs has passed away. Sad bit.

RIP Steve Jobs. Pancreatic cancer sux ass

EJK
6th October 2011, 12:48
If you look at the talktime of the Galaxy (3 hours) compared with the new iPhone which is about 2-3 times more I think its a no brainer.

Where did you get that info?


Talk and standby times

•The HTC Desire S boasts talk time up to 445 mins and standby up to 455 hours.
•The iPhone 4 has a talk time up to 420 mins and standby up to 300 hours.
•The Samsung Galaxy S2 has a talk time up to 540 mins and standby up to 576 hours.
•The Google Nexus S has a talk time up to 360 mins and standby up to 428 hours.


Ofcourse above is from spec sheet not real world thing but still. 2-3 more talk time than iPhone4?

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/htc-desire-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2-vs-nexus-s-vs-iphone-4-940826

Usarka
6th October 2011, 12:54
My view is that the iPhone is more of a consumer product and some of the others are more geared to business use. Far from being a microsoft fanboy but I miss my windows mobile device.

Scuba_Steve
6th October 2011, 12:59
My view is that the iPhone is more of a consumer product and some of the others are more geared to business use.
Well yes, Apple have always said they make consumer products, but some businesses have decleared them good enouth for business use.

Far from being a microsoft fanboy but I miss my windows mobile device.
:blink: You have used one haven't you???

Usarka
6th October 2011, 13:08
:blink: You have used one haven't you???

Lol yes, the apple feels "slicker" but I thought my old win device felt more seamless moving between desktop and mobile for things like email, calendar, document attachments etc. Plus it felt a lot quicker too.

One of my bug bears (what the f** does that mean???) with the iPhone is that there's no visible display to show missed calls or messages without having to physically prod it. On the plus side it has Plants vs Zombies.

Scuba_Steve
6th October 2011, 13:22
Lol yes, the apple feels "slicker" but I thought my old win device felt more seamless moving between desktop and mobile for things like email, calendar, document attachments etc. Plus it felt a lot quicker too.

One of my bug bears (what the f** does that mean???) with the iPhone is that there's no visible display to show missed calls or messages without having to physically prod it. On the plus side it has Plants vs Zombies.

maybee thats it, as I try & avoid anything MS (makes my life easier) I was just using them standalone so can't speak for their "intergartion" with other MS products.

+1 for Plants vs Zombies tho, awesome time waster :D

Big Dave
6th October 2011, 14:30
Lol yes, the apple feels "slicker" but I thought my old win device felt more seamless moving between desktop and mobile for things like email, calendar, document attachments etc. Plus it felt a lot quicker too.


My Mrs has gone from an Android (old gig) to an iPhone 4 with her new gig and says that she prefers the Iphone for the way it syncs with her other business apps.

Mind you - her new crowd uses Lotus Notes as their backbone.

imdying
6th October 2011, 14:37
Can you change the battery yet?

2wheeled Gasman
6th October 2011, 17:14
Think you should check who's suing who for copying :innocent:

Did you know that it is samsung that make the chips for the Iphone. and yes I'm aware of who is trying to sue who, that is what makes it more of a joke!:innocent:

Oh ...and isn't the sueing about the Galaxy tablet verses the Ipad

Gremlin
6th October 2011, 18:28
All right, I have to ask...if the iPhone works compared to Android what don't you like?

As for Blackberry at work they are great (apart from web browsing) but unfortunately are a different beast outside of Enterprise environments.
Running on BB OS6 myself, web browsing has been stable and more enjoyable than Symbian stuff.

Pros of iPhone:
- Syncs to exchange quite easily once the right details are given. Several clients have them.
- They're all the same... identical. Pick up one, it's the same as the next.
- Easy to use for the average user. Sometimes those receiving hardware need it for work, but aren't going to know it in and out.

Cons of iPhone:
- Welcome to the Apple eco-system. If you don't like it, tough shit. To install software, it has to be in the apple store, or you void the warranty on the device. Come again? These are thousand dollar devices.
- Touch screen keyboard. I type a lot, logging stuff in my calendar, emails, messaging, and the screen keyboard has no feedback to where your fingers are on the keyboard. Physical keyboard every time for me thanks.
- Similar to 1, want to replace the battery? Do this, do that, that Apple doesn't want you to... hah, not happening.
- MS may be bad, but I think Apple takes arrogance to a new level.
- If your work flow matches the Apple device, cool. If it doesn't, you'll be changing your workflow, as the device is not that customisable.
- The Exchange sync experience isn't without issues. There are limits on the number of emails and folders it's happy dealing with, and following next point down, troubleshooting is hard work
- Being simple for users to use makes it hard to troubleshoot problems, because it's not giving you detailed feedback on issues... just.. "Error"


My view is that the iPhone is more of a consumer product and some of the others are more geared to business use. Far from being a microsoft fanboy but I miss my windows mobile device.
You miss the windows mobile device? I'd love to know which version. Had a fleet of imates on 6.5, god that was terrible (try clicking menu and wait a few minutes for it to show), and MS has admitted Phone 7 is targetted towards consumers, so same bag as Apple.


Did you know that it is samsung that make the chips for the Iphone. and yes I'm aware of who is trying to sue who, that is what makes it more of a joke!:innocent:

Oh ...and isn't the sueing about the Galaxy tablet verses the Ipad
Easiest way to remember it, is that everyone is suing everyone else, and you wouldn't be far wrong. Usually, they're doing it to simply stop the product from being on the market. The law suit costs big time, but the sales they receive while having their product exclusively on the market is massive.

spajohn
7th October 2011, 08:20
Where did you get that info?

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/htc-desire-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2-vs-nexus-s-vs-iphone-4-940826

I can't find the page now, sorry. Presumably it was wrong then as it had it as only 3 hours talktime. Although talking to a mate with his Galaxy last night he is lucky to get a full day of one charge...that's shit if you ask me, though I guess the iPhone is much the same.

jonbuoy
7th October 2011, 09:03
Depending on how good the voice recognition software really is it could be a great tool for the disabled.

imdying
7th October 2011, 09:50
Depending on how good the voice recognition software really is it could be a great tool for the disabled.It's going to take a few years before it can accept munghhha mwaharrr and dial their mum.

<img src="http://www.cdadc.com/ds/down-syndrome-pictures/adult-woman-with-downs-syndrome-using-mobile-phone.jpg"/>

Gibbo89
7th October 2011, 15:12
All honesty I'd wait for iPhone5 unless you super excitedly need a smartphone now & can't wait for 5 or your someone that needs the latest & greatest (tho thats an expensive lifestyle)

I find your point quite interesting... because the iphone 4s is more of an internal upgrade. Then the iphone 5 will most likely be a 'redesign' and I would assume it will be 4g too... I don't think I could justify getting the iphone 5 only 1 year after owning the 4s mind you

On a side note: I wonder how long until NZ has 4g capability...

Hoon
7th October 2011, 15:31
I got an ipad2 a few months back and it rocks. The apple interface is good but its the whole appstore thing and availabilty of apps that makes it a success in my view. I don't know how well established the android app market is but it will need to be close if not better than apples to ever get a decent foot hold in the market.

EJK
7th October 2011, 15:34
I can't find the page now, sorry. Presumably it was wrong then as it had it as only 3 hours talktime. Although talking to a mate with his Galaxy last night he is lucky to get a full day of one charge...that's shit if you ask me, though I guess the iPhone is much the same.

Yeah you are right. I've had mine over a couple of months now and I can see the reason why. The processor and RAM are twice than my old man's laptop while the battery is 1/5 in size. Realistically using, I am lucky to get 15 hours out of single full charge (incl. facebook every 15 mins, texts, emails, calls, music, map, etc...).

Oh well... atleast they charge up fast.

Scuba_Steve
7th October 2011, 16:43
On a side note: I wonder how long until NZ has 4g capability...

Not as long as some might think. Works already started :yes:

EJK
7th October 2011, 16:50
On a side note: I wonder how long until NZ has 4g capability...

Recently there was an article on Computer World magazine, or somewhere I can't remember, and they said something like around in 2013. It's got to do with the the government to disconnect the old analogue TV signal they say. What that relates to is, the 4G needs radio spectrum and right now there isn't enough of it or something. I guess it's something like FM radio frequency area or something similar. Dunno, my brain hurts.

But what I know is friends in US told me they can watch and stream HD videos on the go :blink:

When in doubt, Google it.

jazfender
7th October 2011, 17:55
The Apple Store for NZ is currently down with a message saying it is being updated.

I'm wondering if pre-orders for NZ are coming sooner than expected?

jonbuoy
7th October 2011, 19:08
It's going to take a few years before it can accept munghhha mwaharrr and dial their mum.

<img src="http://www.cdadc.com/ds/down-syndrome-pictures/adult-woman-with-downs-syndrome-using-mobile-phone.jpg"/>

You'll have to stick to the touch screen then.

EJK
7th October 2011, 19:29
Speaking of voice recognition: Because Vlingo (what came with my Android) was developed in US it is so Americanised. The system can pick up anything American from 5th Avenue, "Map of Burger King in New York" to "How Much Wood Would A Woodchuck Chuck If A Woodchuck Could Chuck Wood?" flawlessly but for navigation around New Zealand, I find it useless because it can't pick up many towns and streets named in Maori or British.

On Stuff.co.nz I think there was a small part of iPhone article saying about Siri being not avaliable for iPhone 4S when it gets released.

Gremlin
8th October 2011, 02:42
If anything, voice recognition might have taken a somewhat sideways step backward.

Older phones, you had to programme the voice codes in yourself, and you were limited to a certain number of voice codes. I had a Nokia E71, and you couldn't program voice codes in, because it gave everyone in your contacts a voice code automatically. Handy you might say, but it didn't always understand you...

jazfender
8th October 2011, 08:02
The Apple Store for NZ is currently down with a message saying it is being updated.

I'm wondering if pre-orders for NZ are coming sooner than expected?

Looks like they just added the 8GB iPhone 4. Forgot about that.