GoPro video and editing?

[JATZ]

Hello everybody :wavey:
I just got this Helmet cam and may need some tips on how to operate it and how to edit the video.....:facepalm:
First video I took today was on setting #4 and played alright with win media player, before editing. Now it won't, it's been edited with win. movie maker which saves it as a funny file type. How do I fix that ? :blink:
Also.... It was very jerky when I was editing it and now plays the same way with WMM. Why ?
Any help would be good

[Transalper]

You going to have to give us the specs of your PC... Operating System, CPU type/speed, amount of RAM at least.
You're dealing with HD now so to do it well will need a decent PC and good software.
Win Movie Maker simply may not cut it ?
Jerky playback is often a sign that the PC graphics card or other aspects of the PC isn't powerful enough.

[DrunkenMistake]

Movie maker will do the trick,
You need to save the file not as a project but you export it to your PC.
I recommend getting something like Sony Vegas to do your editing,
As for the GoPro, on the back of the Cam is shows which setting is equal to what,
I.E .. R5 (5) = 1080P @ 30fps

I use 3 and it gives good quality and if you upload straight from the editor to youtube it doesnt upload as HD but if you take an HD vid then upload it via the editor, the quality still remains good.

[banditrider]

Yep, both my laptop and other computer chug away with GoPro files - they take some grunt...damn I need a new computer...

[DrunkenMistake]

Yep, both my laptop and other computer chug away with GoPro files - they take some grunt...damn I need a new computer...

I have half a laptop, that over heats in 2 mins, the screen broke the other day and is getting worse..
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[JATZ]

T.A.
Celeron processor, 2.2ghz.... and wait for it..... 1.00 gigle byte RAM :facepalm:
What a P.O.S.
May need to upgrade or use the boys laptop :yes:

D.M.
Thats the sort of info I'm after. I recorded on setting 4 today, great quality, but probly not needed
So... I't saving what I've done as a MSWMM file ext, WTF :blink: how can I save as something else ?

[DrunkenMistake]

Gimmie a sec and ill do some photos and show you,

[DrunkenMistake]

kk basically no matter your OS, this window is similiar, on Vista I think it just says menu, either way it gives you an option to save or save movie as, save it for computer play back then you can just upload it whenever you feel the need, OR you save as high def, BUT in NZ our interwebs suck, so uploading high def will take you like a day haha.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/movie1c.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/movie2.png/

[sinfull]

T.A.
Celeron processor, 2.2ghz.... and wait for it..... 1.00 gigle byte RAM :facepalm:
What a P.O.S.
May need to upgrade or use the boys laptop :yes:

D.M.
Thats the sort of info I'm after. I recorded on setting 4 today, great quality, but probly not needed
So... I't saving what I've done as a MSWMM file ext, WTF :blink: how can I save as something else ?

My pc is on 3 ghz and 1 gig ram, slow as fuck but it does it !

Only had mine for about a week now but ...
First advice would be try all the different settings #1 through #4 and make a movie on each to see the difference but #4 i found to be the best shot, wide angle and seems to be more vertical also !

Not sure how you edited it on windows movie maker unless WMMaker let you import the MP4 movies from the camera itself ?
The model i have is the go pro hero motorsport and when i save the raw file to my pc, it's in MP4 format, which windows movie maker won't accept !
Does yours produce the raw file in a different format, or is there a setting I haven't found yet ?
To start with i was converting the raw MP4 file using any video converter (http://download.cnet.com/Any-Video-Converter/3000-2194_4-10661456.html?tag=mncol;7) (have a read of the cnet editor review here) to convert it to WMV or AVi, before i could edit it on windows movie maker !

But then i found this (http://download.cnet.com/VideoPad-Video-Editor/3000-13631_4-10906278.html) baby ! Not freeware unfortunately, but it is for 14 days, so gave it a go and well hell, i might just buy it hehe.
Accepts MP4 files and the tricks it has with editing are pretty cool !
Just takes a while to do all the tricks ya will want to lol I only got 3 hours sleep for a few nights there haha.
The high res files (#4 and #5) do playback real slow (like slow motion), on the editor while editing (intill you add an effect such as speed changes or negitive which for some reason then allows it to playback in normal speed), but ya soon get the hang of pausing and starting again to let it catch up.
Havn't tried saving in all the different formats yet but found the preset TV PAL option to be pretty good quality (when ya come to save it, the options come up)

The first vid i did on video pad was a bit all over the place
But got better and better (i feel) with transitions and playing with effects by the second, third and so on, lot more fun than windows movie maker !


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/h-uSDUWKEgU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



But back to the cam, if there is a setting that changes the raw file from MP4 to sommit else, i missed it in the instructions ??
#1 is for low res stuff which will play back ok and not in slow mo, but the res is low and i'm sure you would prefer #4
Changing the back of the housing does make a little difference to wind noise and it is waterproof haha (got a wet arse), films quality suffers with the wet stuff, but ya can still see through it !


Yeah i know new toy, cant leave it alone and have to chuck every one of em up in here !!!

Disclaimer : Videos are compressed to make me look faster than i really am !!!!

[DrunkenMistake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J8RsHzJxufg#t=13s
This one was done in movie maker, when I done it on my partners laptop when mine shat itself.
Also, there is sound, just wait till 0:18 haha
Speedo error or 80% and all that shit... :innocent:

[PirateJafa]

Sony Vegas is the best editing software I've tried, and there is a million helpful tutorials online for it too

It even allows a hamfisted fool like myself to bashy somethin together!

PM me for a link to the full "free" version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u52ElNnpEw&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

[Waihou Thumper]

Yes, the thing to consider is when it is rendering try and do nothing else with the computer as the RAM maybe be reduced considerably if it is shared RAM and the other is the SD Card. Make sure it is a Class 6 or higher spec card. The GoPro recommends higher class. I have found lower Class 4 may result in jerkiness...

[JATZ]

kk basically no matter your OS, this window is similiar, on Vista I think it just says menu, either way it gives you an option to save or save movie as, save it for computer play back then you can just upload it whenever you feel the need, OR you save as high def, BUT in NZ our interwebs suck, so uploading high def will take you like a day haha.

I have it saved to computer......haven't uploaded anything yet, and don't get me started on the N.Z. interweb thing,, it aggravates my tourettes:blink::blink:


My pc is on 3 ghz and 1 gig ram, slow as fuck but it does it !

Only had mine for about a week now but ...
First advice would be try all the different settings #1 through #4 and make a movie on each to see the difference but #4 i found to be the best shot, wide angle and seems to be more vertical also !

But back to the cam, if there is a setting that changes the raw file from MP4 to sommit else, i missed it in the instructions ??
#1 is for low res stuff which will play back ok and not in slow mo, but the res is low and i'm sure you would prefer #4
Changing the back of the housing does make a little difference to wind noise and it is waterproof haha (got a wet arse), films quality suffers with the wet stuff, but ya can still see through it !

No funny business needed.... I just copy and paste from card to p.c. (mp4) then imported straight to WMM, then it got tricky :facepalm: I'll give this "any video converter" thing a crack, and see what happens

Sony Vegas is the best editing software I've tried, and there is a million helpful tutorials online for it too

It even allows a hamfisted fool like myself to bashy somethin together!

PM me for a link to the full "free" version.


I'll keep that in mind, thanks :niceone:


Yes, the thing to consider is when it is rendering try and do nothing else with the computer as the RAM maybe be reduced considerably if it is shared RAM and the other is the SD Card. Make sure it is a Class 6 or higher spec card. The GoPro recommends higher class. I have found lower Class 4 may result in jerkiness...

Q....When you gunna change your font colour ? or are you going to paint the Berg orange ?
I had all other stuff closed, so was just editing. the card is a class 10

.......I can see I'm just going to have to take lots of video and play around with it more, which means more riding :yes:......and Takaka hill is about 2 mins away, Damn! the things I have to do :shutup:

[sinfull]

.......I can see I'm just going to have to take lots of video and play around with it more, which means more riding :yes:......and Takaka hill is about 2 mins away, Damn! the things I have to do :shutup:
Sucks bro, and such shite weather too Sigh !!! If yr on the hill, or back rds to gladdy, or even the alfreton rd to the pahitua track, from around 12ish and pass a coupla tractors going real slow, i'm the one with a thing stickin outa his head, or RH side of tank lol

Hehe re read that and no i wont be on the Takaka hill lol Taka's on the other hand hmmmmm

[BoristheBiter]

When looking at buying a HD camera the first thing i looked at was software.

http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

I have ended up with the power director. there might be cheaper but i have yet to find better. so easy to use, it is all drag and drop, massive amount of effects etc and you can upload straight to FB or YT, or produce any format or file type.

Yes it uses a shit load of power and you will either need a new one or seriously update your old one.

[Transalper]

T.A.
Celeron processor, 2.2ghz.... and wait for it..... 1.00 gigle byte RAM :facepalm:
What a P.O.S.
May need to upgrade or use the boys laptop :yes:

D.M.
Thats the sort of info I'm after. I recorded on setting 4 today, great quality, but probly not needed
So... I't saving what I've done as a MSWMM file ext, WTF :blink: how can I save as something else ?

I wouldn't bother using any less than a dual core PC with 2 gig of RAM.
To have a nice experience editing I built a PC with a quad core AMD Phenom II 3.20 GHz CPU, 16 GB RAM and a reasonable graphics card with it's own memory and Windows 7 - 64bit.
Magix movie maker and Adobe Premiere Elements 8 or 9 (affordable but not cheap) or one of the PRO versions (very expensive) are really good editors.

Back to windows Movie Maker... yes, .mswmm is your project file, not a movie file. I gave up messing with that program many years ago so I'll leave advice with that to the others who are already answering.

[NordieBoy]

I used to use Blender but now use Kdenlive. Not that that's any help.
But yep, try recording in mode 1. It should play/edit no problem and is still good for YouTube...

[Padmei]

FFS I thought checking the valve clearances was a difficult part of riding ...

What ever happened to the good old fashioned yarn, that way the hills can be steeper, the crashes more spectacular, the heroics more... um heroic:facepalm:

Sorry I'm so last century- as you were...

[marks]

or, like me, you could decide that the whole video editing thing is too much hassle and just record in 2-5minute chunks and find the best ones and upload them straight to youtube.

people only want to see the highlights anyway - intros and fades are all a waste of time :yes:

[vegeman]

or, like me, you could decide that the whole video editing thing is too much hassle and just record in 2-5minute chunks and find the best ones and upload them straight to youtube.

people only want to see the highlights anyway - intros and fades are all a waste of time :yes:

I agree, while all the longer bits seem nice for you personal pleasure...youtube is all about the good bits...like they say "enough dancing, show me your tits"

I also recently got a GoPro and use a Mac Pro laptop (and before any moans and groan about the Mac), it works very easy as you expect. The mac pro has the SD slot in the side, so getting the files in is peice of piss.

Living by the good bits theory, I simply open the files...and visually trim all the crap out...and then do a save as.

Most people will never know what or how to make it look clever, editing at best will still suck your life force....so just keep it simple, and spend the time riding :yes:

[Jay GTI]

Most people will never know what or how to make it look clever, editing at best will still suck your life force....so just keep it simple, and spend the time riding :yes:

This is very true! I use Sony Vegas and it can do all sorts of wonderful editing, fading, merging, effects. But apart from a couple of simple fades and a title at the beginning so I can easily remember where and when, I don't use any of it. I have waaay better things to do and no-one really cares anyway, they just want to see the crashes...

I have a riding buddy that does amazing things with his set-up (same as mine), but his dad is a film maker, so he has a little bit of an unfair advantage...

[rogerh]

I used to use Blender but now use Kdenlive. Not that that's any help.
Yes it is. That is the answer to the question I was thinking.


so just keep it simple, and spend the time riding :yes:
And this kind of sums up my attitude. To my way of thinking bike riding is a crap spectator sport. It is a participant thing to me.

But I hate stopping and starting riding, and can never seem to capture good stills, but see heaps of good ones while I am moving. Stopping, finding your camera, and taking your gloves off, you just sort of loose the moment.

So a question for those who understand this crap better than me. Can you capture stills with something like a GoPro and software? They will never be high res, but getting a flock of birds taking off at dusk requires more patience than I have. Or am I better to mount up a still cam and remote trigger? Or just learn how to use a camera??

With a GoPro I may get some of the "good bits" as well, this again requires the discipline to run the camera quite a bit. Reading all this makes it seem like a bit of effort. Am I wrong?

Sorry for the newbie hijack....

[NordieBoy]

Basically I capture stills whilst riding. No need to stop, no need to take gloves off. Camera on elastic strap around neck and in top pocket. Easy to pull out, turn on, point in general direction, take photo, turn off and put away. If you have to, you can just drop the camera and it's not going far.

The GoPro is too wide angle to get any sort of flock of birds type detail.

[Shewolf]

can capture frames easily from the vid editing software, or if you get a frame just right a screencap works just as well.

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[banditrider]

The GoPro has a mode where you can set it to take stills at a certain time interval instead of video. Decent quality images too...

This picture is shrunk heaps before I uploaded it. I think (and could be wrong) that the GoPro takes 5 megapixel shots.

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[rogerh]

Basically I capture stills whilst riding. No need to stop, no need to take gloves off. Camera on elastic strap around neck and in top pocket. Easy to pull out, turn on, point in general direction, take photo, turn off and put away. If you have to, you can just drop the camera and it's not going far.

The GoPro is too wide angle to get any sort of flock of birds type detail.

This needs organisation....... Not my strong point. More worried about busting stuff.
And I find it a bit limiting. I have tried similar, but maybe I should try a lanyard type thing. Also works OK with motocross gloves, but I dont always use them. What you suggest is for slower riding. The trouble for me, is I see some supurb shots at times, but maybe only one or two a day, and to date I have never been set up to get them.

I was kinda hoping that a simple bolt on would get these, just by pointing my head in the right direction. Wishful thinking I know. Inevitably I am doing 100k's on the open road, or being stupid (read needing to focus) at the time. Capturing a good image with a small apature, on the move, and little planning is always going to be a long shot.

I am pleased to hear there are some linux editing options tho. We don't have a windows computer in the house any more, and can't afford to be a mac fanboy. Might just buy a second hand one, or borrow one sometime, and see what comes out. May be better than I expect.

[Eddieb]

What you suggest is for slower riding.

Not for Nordie, he's taken pics of me backwards over his shoulder while we were both doing 100 along gravel roads.

[JATZ]

Not for Nordie, he's taken pics of me backwards over his shoulder while we were both doing 100 along gravel roads.

I've taken some really good shots while doing that :yes: but for every good one there's scores of crap, out of focus, blurry ones. With digital cameras it's easy to take a couple of hundred snaps during a weekend sometimes, but only 30 or 40 will be any good.

I can see I might have to try a different editing program, however... downloading one is not an option :facepalm:
I got the vid from last weekend converted (loss of quality) and edited,then "published" it which turned it into a wmv file, which lost a bit more quality again I think. Just need to add some music :wari: and head to an internet cafe to upload it, maccas free wifi just won't cut it :facepalm:

There is a lot of wind noise when facing ahead which seems to lessen when my heads turned :blink: I was using the door without the holes in it too. Also got a bit of fogging inside the housing, right in front of the lense too, not sure what happened there.

[rogerh]

Yep, he likely has skills I don't.
I would get great pictures of the sky, and likely not stay vertical:Oops:

[sinfull]

I've taken some really good shots while doing that :yes: but for every good one there's scores of crap, out of focus, blurry ones. With digital cameras it's easy to take a couple of hundred snaps during a weekend sometimes, but only 30 or 40 will be any good.

I can see I might have to try a different editing program, however... downloading one is not an option :facepalm:
I got the vid from last weekend converted (loss of quality) and edited,then "published" it which turned it into a wmv file, which lost a bit more quality again I think. Just need to add some music :wari: and head to an internet cafe to upload it, maccas free wifi just won't cut it :facepalm:

There is a lot of wind noise when facing ahead which seems to lessen when my heads turned :blink: I was using the door without the holes in it too. Also got a bit of fogging inside the housing, right in front of the lense too, not sure what happened there.
When in doubt read the instructions !
In there i'm sure it says "we have sorted it" or words to that effect !
The door with the holes has LESS wind noise ! The other one is for when it's raining !!!!

Other thing is (if ya gonna use the freeware) anyvideoconverter settings i have found the best are (and i may be bettered here (god willing) )
customised AVI video !!!
In Video options =
Frame size 720x576
bitrate 12000
video framerate 25

Working for me and best picture i've found there !!!

[NordieBoy]

This needs organisation....... Not my strong point. More worried about busting stuff.
And I find it a bit limiting. I have tried similar, but maybe I should try a lanyard type thing. Also works OK with motocross gloves, but I dont always use them. What you suggest is for slower riding. The trouble for me, is I see some supurb shots at times, but maybe only one or two a day, and to date I have never been set up to get them.
I use an Olympus 1030sw that's 10m waterproof, shockproof etc.
Can use normal gloves.


I was kinda hoping that a simple bolt on would get these, just by pointing my head in the right direction. Wishful thinking I know. Inevitably I am doing 100k's on the open road, or being stupid (read needing to focus) at the time. Capturing a good image with a small apature, on the move, and little planning is always going to be a long shot.
I just point it in the general direction and push the button. No focussing or zooming. Crop and rotate to suit later.
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20081019%20Mt%20Patriarch/slides/20081019-133252.jpg

Or when stopped, just the same. No zooming, no focussing...
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100918%20Playing%20around/slides/20100918-114234.jpg


I am pleased to hear there are some linux editing options tho. We don't have a windows computer in the house any more, and can't afford to be a mac fanboy. Might just buy a second hand one, or borrow one sometime, and see what comes out. May be better than I expect.
Basically I use Digikam for importing and stills and Kdenlive for the video editing. Gimp for heavier photo editing.

If I've got the dSLR with me however, all the above goes out the window.
Zooming, focussing and framing are all the go :D
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20101125%20NADS%20Evening%20Ride%20-%20Maungatapu/slides/20101124-183924-0080.jpg
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20101125%20NADS%20Evening%20Ride%20-%20Maungatapu/slides/20101124-183956-0090.jpg
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20101125%20NADS%20Evening%20Ride%20-%20Maungatapu/slides/20101124-180850-0052.jpg

[JATZ]

When in doubt read the instructions !
In there i'm sure it says "we have sorted it" or words to that effect !
The door with the holes has LESS wind noise ! The other one is for when it's raining !!!!

Other thing is (if ya gonna use the freeware) anyvideoconverter settings i have found the best are (and i may be bettered here (god willing) )
customised AVI video !!!
In Video options =
Frame size 720x576
bitrate 12000
video framerate 25

Working for me and best picture i've found there !!!

Pah ! instructions are for wooses :facepalm:
I'll give those settings a try and see how I get on,
Ta

Nice pics Nordie :niceone:

[rogerh]

I use an Olympus 1030sw that's 10m waterproof, shockproof etc.
Can use normal gloves.

I just point it in the general direction and push the button. No focussing or zooming. Crop and rotate to suit later.

Or when stopped, just the same. No zooming, no focussing...

Basically I use Digikam for importing and stills and Kdenlive for the video editing. Gimp for heavier photo editing.

If I've got the dSLR with me however, all the above goes out the window.
Zooming, focussing and framing are all the go :D

Those are really good results. You got me. That is the kind of thing I am keen on. Can't argue with what works.

Thanks for the tips on apps in that "other" OS as well. Liking that idea a lot more than a GoPro now. Never done any heavy photo editing, but we have a guy at work who knows photoshop. I am sure he will tell me the buzzwords to look for in the GIMP.

Thanks. Now all I need is time:(
Driving through Nelson late Thursday. No bike. No time. But persistance is a virtue:yes:

I will get there. Possibly not to the DSLR for a bit tho....

[Padmei]

I got myelf one of those videoing camera things today (ok I bought 60 overpriced powerpoints from the wholesalers & they gave me one for gratis)
It is a contour HD - no not a GPS model, not water proof or bash proof, just a cheapo basic model.
Anyone had experience with them? i figure if it's not that good the lil ponies can use it to play with.

[NordieBoy]

I got myelf one of those videoing camera things today (ok I bought 60 overpriced powerpoints from the wholesalers & they gave me one for gratis)
It is a contour HD - no not a GPS model, not water proof or bash proof, just a cheapo basic model.
Anyone had experience with them? i figure if it's not that good the lil ponies can use it to play with.

They go ok.
Easier to line them up with the lasers.
Torpedo7 do a waterproof case for them.

Marks uses one?
Or is he using the drift?

[JATZ]

If somebody wants a GoPro send me a p.m. with a reasonable offer for mine. I havn't used it since October and can't see that changing any time soon :mellow:

[Padmei]

If somebody wants a GoPro send me a p.m. with a reasonable offer for mine. I havn't used it since October and can't see that changing any time soon :mellow:

You mean you can't be bothered using one or have another one?

[JATZ]

You mean you can't be bothered using one or have another one?

I can't be bothered, I have a couple of hours of video already that I haven't even looked at :eek:. It's probly good if your doing lots of interesting stuff, like riding through forestry roads/trails and going up and down steep gnarly hills, which I enjoy occasionally, I'd also have to spend more time in front of a computer editing and get a faster processor to make it not such a painfull process.
I'd rather put the funds into a decent intercom system :confused:

[Padmei]

I can't be bothered, I have a couple of hours of video already that I haven't even looked at :eek:. It's probly good if your doing lots of interesting stuff, like riding through forestry roads/trails and going up and down steep gnarly hills, which I enjoy occasionally, I'd also have to spend more time in front of a computer editing and get a faster processor to make it not such a painfull process.
I'd rather put the funds into a decent intercom system :confused:

yeah I'm thinking along the same lines really. I would prob use mine for MTBing as the action is shorter, more exciting & usually in cooler tighter environents. As we have seen steepness is really lost on videos.
I think the editing would be the fun part. No more of 10 secs a clip I reckon.
Anyway we'll see. i'll try one tomorrow

[NordieBoy]

Yep. After doing a few "previews" of rides, sometimes that's enough and I don't need to do the directors cut.

[Big Dave]

I went crazy at the camera store yesterday.

Bought a Hero HD 2 Motorsport kit, LCD back, 32gb Class 10 card, spare battery and a replacement lens kit for the Hero HD.

I might even get the 3D kit now I have two of them.

[Buyasta]

I went crazy at the camera store yesterday.

Bought a Hero HD 2 Motorsport kit, LCD back, 32gb Class 10 card, spare battery and a replacement lens kit for the Hero HD.

I might even get the 3D kit now I have two of them.

Unfortunately it's apparently not possible to use the Hero with the Hero2 in the 3D system, you've gotta have two of the same model, at least according (http://gopro.com/support/faq-hd-hero2-cameras/#no-hero-original-hero2-3d) to GoPro... In fact, I'm not sure they've released the firmware update yet to allow the Hero2 to be used with the 3D system.

Having said that, since the 3D kit is just a casing to hold a pair of them with along with a synchronization cable, I guess all you'd have to do to composite them is manually sync up the videos.

[shafty]

Where's everyone gone? Is there a busier camera forum on here somewhere?

Brought a 3+ Black Edition back from the US with me, soon I'll have time to play with it......

I see Big Dave bought a 32gb card so that's my first question answered......

[NordieBoy]

Where's everyone gone? Is there a busier camera forum on here somewhere?

Brought a 3+ Black Edition back from the US with me, soon I'll have time to play with it......

I see Big Dave bought a 32gb card so that's my first question answered......

Still trying to get video edited from earlier in the year...
Your first question was WWBDD?
What Would Big Dave Do?


He's using it with a Hero2 which is a bit more forgiving with the date transfer speed than the 3.

I'm still using an original Hero HD and a Contour Roam.

Must get Padmei's birthday ride footage done or he'll write me out of his will and put his kids back in...

[Night Falcon]

Still trying to get video edited from earlier in the year...
Your first question was WWBDD?
What Would Big Dave Do?


He's using it with a Hero2 which is a bit more forgiving with the date transfer speed than the 3.

I'm still using an original Hero HD and a Contour Roam.

Must get Padmei's birthday ride footage done or he'll write me out of his will and put his kids back in...

cool, bout time we got to see some fresh shinko shod bikes navigating gorse track videos :corn: