BMW excluded from BEARS in the Tri Series!

[CHOPPA]

haha I love a bit of controversy.

Just got a call from the organiser of the Suzuki Tri Series. He had the unfortunate job of informing all BMW S1000RR riders from the BEARS class.....

To be honest im not that concerned but I do like to stir the pot :devil2:

I asked what the actual ruling is..... Apparently there are no RSV4s either but Ducati 1198rs and MV Agustas are ok but it depends who is riding them....????

Interesting ruling, if I were a club rider that just wanted to race my S1000RR in the BEARS class I think id feel pretty hard done by.

It sorta suits me cause im gonna ride the HP2 anyway so I want have to race the S1000RRs

[wharfy]

I can't think of anything sensible (or even smart arse) to say about that ???

[Devil]

Yeah I dont see how they could take the BMW out without taking out the RSV4, MV and 1098R. Bit retarded I thinks.

[willytheekid]

:facepalm:....Well we wouldn't want any "real" competion for those nice shiny Ducati's now would we.

......Im amazed they didn't impose a cc limit on the rest of the feild as well :innocent:

British,European,American,Racing
....except BMW's!.....and aprillias.....Oh and good riders!...infact...any threat at ALL to Ducati's will be BANNED!....if not...we risk having an actual fair RACE! (god forbid!) :killingme

[k14]

Haha, typical bears. If your bike meets the rules but it is too fast you are banned too (unless it is made in NZ by a Kiwi).

[CHOPPA]

Maybe a less discriminative ruling would to be to put a pre 2008 ruling on the BEARS class. This would exclude the new generation bikes like the S1000RR, RSV4 and the new 195hp Ducati soon to be released

[k14]

Maybe a less discriminative ruling would to be to put a pre 2008 ruling on the BEARS class. This would exclude the new generation bikes like the S1000RR, RSV4 and the new 195hp Ducati soon to be released
I'm pretty sure I've seen a 996cc Ducati MotoGP that someone owns. Wonder what they would say if you showed up with that!

[kiwifruit]

Interesting.

It'll probably be better for you and your sponsors having you on the HP2 anyway.... People love seeing "lesser" machinery being peddled hard. I know i'd rather watch you race on that than the superbike :clap:

[Crasherfromwayback]

There's a fair chance the 'person' that made that rule has a son/boyfriend that is racing a Ducati. What a crock of shit.

[crazy man]

l think its to give the not so good a bikes a chance to win or else they may just stop turning up?

[Crasherfromwayback]

l think its to give the not so good a bikes a chance to win or else they may just stop turning up?

That's why 'Bears' was started in the first place.

[White trash]

Well you know my thoughts on it mate, the whole thing's fucking laughable. So much so, I'm still laughing.

[CHOPPA]

There's a fair chance the 'person' that made that rule has a son/boyfriend that is racing a Ducati. What a crock of shit.

The word was that it was Suzukis decision. Being that they are not even in the class I guess they just would like closer racing across the board or it could be cause I only did the BEARS practice and Qualifying sessions last year for a bit of extra practice haha

[SWERVE]

PRICELESS....................... this country never ceases to amaze me (or make me laugh) Is this genuine...or has 1st April come early
Or have the tri series organisers altered the calander to suit BEARS:blink:

[Grumph]

I'd doubt if the decision came from the BEARS club per se...but if you've heard it was influenced by Suzuki then the old saw "he who pays the piper calls the tune "
seems applicable...

[Paul in NZ]

Stink - I thought this was about running away from actual bears. You gotta be pretty quick cos those bears can run real fast...

[crazy man]

The word was that it was Suzukis decision. Being that they are not even in the class I guess they just would like closer racing across the board or it could be cause I only did the BEARS practice and Qualifying sessions last year for a bit of extra practice hahaif sheriff's was riding your bike there would not be a problem cause he's slow like me

[wayne]

did think you even won that class .........lol

[wayne]

didnt think you even won that class................lol
but interesting to see how hard the tri series try, to look after there sponsor,
if you and your bike are fast tell then you cant race,
if your slow thats good ..............

competition............... i thought it had a different meaning............

[dangerous]

Just got a call from the organiser of the Suzuki Tri Series. He had the unfortunate job of informing all BMW S1000RR riders from the BEARS class.....
Bit behind the times at the mo... so explain, is this because the engine is Jap? (Im asuming not) I know nothing of these car engined things? surley not a HP thing?
BEARs have baned bikes down here like Bimota's with Jap engines etc.

[slowpoke]

Yep, it's a funny situation but is it any funnier than having a separate class for BEAR's full stop? The S1000RR is just a sharper GSXR/CBR/ZXR/R1 clone so excluding an S1000RR from BEAR's is no different to excluding a GSXR/CBR/ZXR/R1. Nowadays the whole BEAR's thing is a bit farcical and will only get worse as the Aprilia's, KTM's, Duc's, BMW's, MV's etc just get faster.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep, it's a funny situation but is it any funnier than having a separate class for BEAR's full stop? The S1000RR is just a sharper GSXR/CBR/ZXR/R1 clone so excluding an S1000RR from BEAR's is no different to excluding a GSXR/CBR/ZXR/R1. Nowadays the whole BEAR's thing is a bit farcical and will only get worse as the Aprilia's, KTM's, Duc's, BMW's, MV's etc just get faster.

I agree with you 100%. They can race their old classic Brit and American bikes by all means...but the rest of them should harden the fuck up, and race with the masses. Both of them could do with the extra numbers!

[White trash]

Bit behind the times at the mo... so explain, is this because the engine is Jap? (Im asuming not) I know nothing of these car engined things? surley not a HP thing?
BEARs have baned bikes down here like Bimota's with Jap engines etc.

BMW's have a BMW engine.

If you have a little read between the lines, it could be that the series sponsor is having a little cry and wants the only bike that poses any possible threat to them winning title number 1700 excluded from winning more than they can help.

If you were into that sort of conspiracy of course..........

[Brian d marge]

Its a great ruling , everything except FLH Harley's and My enfield ,

Good Job ,

Is there a reason given why???

Stephen

[kiwifruit]

Is there a reason given why???



Too reliable.

[ttelp15]

BMW's have a BMW engine.

If you have a little read between the lines, it could be that the series sponsor is having a little cry and wants the only bike that poses any possible threat to them winning title number 1700 excluded from winning more than they can help.

If you were into that sort of conspiracy of course..........

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

[gixerracer]

Its a great ruling , everything except FLH Harley's and My enfield ,

Good Job ,

Is there a reason given why???

Stephen

I herd its coz they dont leak enough oil on the track to be elligable for the class:facepalm:

[gixerracer]

BMW's have a BMW engine.

If you have a little read between the lines, it could be that the series sponsor is having a little cry and wants the only bike that poses any possible threat to them winning title number 1700 excluded from winning more than they can help.

If you were into that sort of conspiracy of course..........

Wouldnt they ban it from F1 then?

[ellipsis]

....ahhh the perennial bears kicking...agree with lots of the pros and cons...it is getting to be an enigma tho....takes the heat off quade cooper around here for a while..

[White trash]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

Oh cool, someone's turned up to tell us why Sloan Frost can't race an S1000R in the BEARS class at the Tri Series.

[CHOPPA]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

Mate that information came directly from the organisers (your) mouth that it was suzukis decision.

It was also said that you were very lucky to be even running a BEARS class due to the fact Suzuki could not race.

Regardless of all this I dont think it is such a bad decision and I dont think there is any conspiracy on it from Suzukis behalf, they are the major sponsor of the series and they are just trying to make it as good as possible. Having a couple of bikes 10 secs a lap faster then anything else looks a bit odd.

There needs to be a better line in the sand drawn though, excluding a few bikes or a few riders because they are too fast is not the way.

If the decision gets changed its gonna hurt me anyway cause im riding the HP2.

Its not fair on people like Vicky on the RSV4 though

[Billy]

Jeez,What a curly one,Wish I actually gave a fuck so I could get involved,Bears along with Post classics should really run as stand alone meetings or with the classics register to allow more time for Junior training at club days LMFAO!!!

[willytheekid]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

:facepalm: Very explanatory! (care to elaborate?)

"I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not"...well bully to you!...cos the actual competitors don't!

...and for the record.....this type of shit is why I gave up racing yrs ago!...to many fucking desk jockey wannabe racers making up bullshit twisted rules to suit their "friends" & sponsors.

[slowpoke]

Its not fair on people like Vicky on the RSV4 though

It's no less fair than for the rest of the racers on their jappa's.


Jeez,What a curly one,Wish I actually gave a fuck so I could get involved,Bears along with Post classics should really run as stand alone meetings or with the classics register to allow more time for Junior training at club days LMFAO!!!

That's how they ran it when I was in WA. "Historics" ran their own meetings, with classes for buckets and Clubman's (who also raced normal meetings) giving the newer racers plenty of track time, and leaving the Road Racing Club to concentrate on the main classes.

EDIT: I farkin' love that HP2, it's one of the coolest bikes going around.

[Kiwi Graham]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

So what is the reason that some BEAR's eligible bikes are not allowed to enter in the BEAR's class?

[wayne]

the bmw...........
they eligable for bears """if they have slower rider...................""""

what a joke .................. isnt it a race ?


suzuki in motogp ...........position ???????????
in wsb.................position ?????????
asbk....................position ????????????

[slowpoke]

..to many fucking desk jockey wannabe racers making up bullshit twisted rules to suit their "friends" & sponsors.

What, you mean kinda like a class where it depends where a bike, or big parts of that bike are made? Little parts are Ok, just not too big ok? Nah they aren't twisted rules.............:Pokey::devil2:

[dangerous]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

well... do tell or I will have to believe you know shit...

[Nonbeliever]

what a fuggin joke the whole bears thing is.

If someone has the real story behind this Im sure we'd all like to know

[dangerous]

what a fuggin joke the whole bears thing is.

If someone has the real story behind this Im sure we'd all like to know

Oh Id say the thread starter has it sussed right, see top post this page.

[jellywrestler]

This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.
plus one to that, don't let a rumour turn into a shit-fight and against Suzuki nor any other sponsor for that matter
Spyda

[jellywrestler]

There needs to be a better line in the sand drawn though, excluding a few bikes or a few riders because they are too fast is not the way.

so is the better way to exclude a large proportion of the slower riders then cause they're too slow?

[Shorty_925]

100% FALSE!!! This has nothing to do with Suzuki New Zealand, so please don't drag them into it. I am one of the organisers so I know the reasons why and why not.
And also - Choppas original title of "BMW excluded from Tri Series" is very misleading. We have NO issues with BMW or any other brand (Japanese or non-Japanese) for that matter.

Why can he not ride a bike that fits the BEARS class?

[CHOPPA]

plus one to that, don't let a rumour turn into a shit-fight and against Suzuki nor any other sponsor for that matter
Spyda

This is true, Suzuki are great for our sport and without them and the other manufacturers the sport wouldnt be what it is.

[Tony.OK]

so is the better way to exclude a large proportion of the slower riders then cause they're too slow?

Why the need to exclude anyone? Its racing isn't it? Best equipment and rider win on the day :innocent:


Maybe they just need to call the class something else?


Kinda be the same as saying anyone called Stroud can't race SBK this year eh?

[sinfull]

so is the better way to exclude a large proportion of the slower riders then cause they're too slow?

Pre 89 ? No wait that's taken, ummmm carb only ? Eeeeew think that's just been snapped up ?
Ahhh fuggit just tell them that match SB speeds they can't enter bears ? Hmmmm wonder how that'll go down ??

[jellywrestler]

Why the need to exclude anyone? Its racing isn't it? Best equipment and rider win on the day :innocent:


Maybe the Coroners report into the fatality at Paeroa last year could give you a clue where the bikes on the grid particularly on a street circuit are just so far apart that's it's getting dangerous.
I'd support the organisers making a call to reduce the risks a little than the Coroners putting their rubber stamp on all meetings after somethings turned to custard.
Spyda

[flame]

Im totally annoyed by this 'ruling' if it is correct. No longer a BEARs class, but instead a Ducati fest! (dont get me wrong, I love Duc's). I had considered entering my RSV4, Im sure as heck no threat at all to the front runners, but now I dont even have the choice to compete!!
To the Major Sponsor of Tri Series....."what do you class as a BEARs bike?...and maybe you could consider re-naming the class if this is the case?"

[flame]

Mate that information came directly from the organisers (your) mouth that it was suzukis decision.

It was also said that you were very lucky to be even running a BEARS class due to the fact Suzuki could not race.

Regardless of all this I dont think it is such a bad decision and I dont think there is any conspiracy on it from Suzukis behalf, they are the major sponsor of the series and they are just trying to make it as good as possible. Having a couple of bikes 10 secs a lap faster then anything else looks a bit odd.

There needs to be a better line in the sand drawn though, excluding a few bikes or a few riders because they are too fast is not the way.

If the decision gets changed its gonna hurt me anyway cause im riding the HP2.

Its not fair on people like Vicky on the RSV4 though

Thanks Chop, yeah its pretty unfair, I had considered doing BEARs at Wanga's this year, lucky I changed my mind a couple of weeks ago, cause I would have been WELL disapointed by this news if I hadn't. Still....the option was still there and a consideration for Manfield, but I guess now it's not :(.

[Tony.OK]

Maybe the Coroners report into the fatality at Paeroa last year could give you a clue where the bikes on the grid particularly on a street circuit are just so far apart that's it's getting dangerous.
I'd support the organisers making a call to reduce the risks a little than the Coroners putting their rubber stamp on all meetings after somethings turned to custard.
Spyda

Perhaps, but that would apply to all classes at street races would it not?
Seen plenty of ppl being lapped in most classes.........why single out 1 class?

A good rider on the lastest Duc won't be within cooey of a fast BMW? HA!

Kinda negates your theory really aye.

[dangerous]

Why the need to exclude anyone? Its racing isn't it? Best equipment and rider win on the day :innocent:


Maybe they just need to call the class something else?




right on it man, 1st line couldnt agree more, 2nd line perhaps a cc and cyclinder limit class

[Mental Trousers]

Keep making rulings like that and my little 450 could be competitive in BEARS!!! :Punk:

[Kickaha]

If it isn't written into the supplementary regulations you could probably tell them to get lost and enter anyway


CHAPTER FIVE
b. “Acceptance of the entry form is at the discretion of the club or promoter and may
be declined by the club or Promoter. The Club and/ or Promoter must ensure that
the declining is in good faith and for valid reasons.


So whats the valid reason?

[slowpoke]

Im sure as heck no threat at all to the front runners, but now I dont even have the choice to compete!!


Sure you do, just enter F1. There's no difference racing against Choppa on his S1000RR in BEAR's than there is racing against him in F1. Just do it Vick, your luvverly wee RSV4 would be awesome 'round Wanga's, and you're plenty quick enough.

[DMack]

WOW those bmw's must be so fast to be banned, i wont buy any other brand from now on and must go test ride a new BMW tomorrow.......

[flame]

Sure you do, just enter F1. There's no difference racing against Choppa on his S1000RR in BEAR's than there is racing against him in F1. Just do it Vick, your luvverly wee RSV4 would be awesome 'round Wanga's, and you're plenty quick enough.
Cheers Slowpoke, but Im not fast enough to be mixing it with a full field of fast boys in F1 Nationals level, I'd get in their way in the 20 lappers on Manfield for sure. I think I'd need to be doing consistant 12's tops. Im still stuck on 15's and 14's on a good day :).

[gixerracer]

Cheers Slowpoke, but Im not fast enough to be mixing it with a full field of fast boys in F1 Nationals level, I'd get in their way in the 20 lappers on Manfield for sure. I think I'd need to be doing consistant 12's tops. Im still stuck on 15's and 14's on a good day :).

Mate enter the series in Bears, based on what I got told today you would be allowed compete:Punk:

[Kickaha]

If it isn't written into the supplementary regulations you could probably tell them to get lost and enter anyway


Ah crap it is written into them

14. Organisers reserve the right to accept or decline any entry and/or cross-entry into any class.

[ttelp15]

Heres the deal with what the organisers spoke to Choppa about today. We rate Choppa, and a couple of others, as (in his case F1) genuine title contenders for the Tri Series. Its because of this fact that we felt (along with a host of feed back from people from last years series(competitors and non-competitors alike)) that he had an unfair advantage getting double the track time (and hence double the set up time) than his rivals have. We run one day meetings, and track time is very precious for everyone and to us it just seems fair that genuine title contenders all get the same time to sort their kit out, and not get bonus time just because their bike is built somewhere other than Japan. Theres a lot of people and businesses putting in a great deal of money to run at that pointy end of race classes, and the fairer we can make it for ALL the better. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and Choppa was sitting in his pit garage on race day watching rivals like Cole, Stroud, Shirriffs, Bugden etc roll down pit lane for another "Land of the Rising Sun" race class practice, he would feel a little hard done by. The ruling we are making on this class effects maybe 2 or 3 people I would think (John Ross to name another). Nowhere have we said that BMW S1000RR, Aprilia RSV4s, Ducati 1198Rs are no longer welcome in this class. And we welcome Choppa to ride Bears - but on another bike other than his F1. He has agreed to ride the HP2 in Bears, and thats great. Maybe he'll still win on that anyway - but at least he hasn't had extra track time to sort out his F1 bike to F1 title rivals.
So, we welcome entries from people riding S1000s, RSVs etc. And those people are welcome to enter whatever other class their bike might suit - be it F1, F2 - whatever. And as far as the comments go that this is Suzukis doing - it isn't!! In fact, you can thank them for Bears being included in the Tri Series. We weren't originally going to run them again, but Suzuki liked the idea of a "point of difference" class.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks for clearing that up...I think it's more than fair!

[flame]

oooooooh, that does make more sense!! Thanks :) ....not saying I totally agree though :innocent::)

[Nonbeliever]

fair enough

[wayne]

are you going to ban people who pratice the week before or the month before , because they might have had more pratice laps then some others..........

[dangerous]

Thanks for clearing that up...I think it's more than fair!
Yeah ta, and if I read right its not just the S1 but all the cross entered F1 bikes.



oooooooh, that does make more sense!! Thanks :) ....not saying I totally agree though :innocent::) Yeah same aye, if riders want to spend the extra on fancy bikes then they should be able to race in any elagable class... as for having an advantage due to extra track time, IMO that can also have down falls to, extra chance of crashing out, fatigue etc...

[Kiwi Graham]

Heres the deal with what the organisers spoke to Choppa about today. We rate Choppa, and a couple of others, as (in his case F1) genuine title contenders for the Tri Series. Its because of this fact that we felt (along with a host of feed back from people from last years series(competitors and non-competitors alike)) that he had an unfair advantage getting double the track time (and hence double the set up time) than his rivals have. We run one day meetings, and track time is very precious for everyone and to us it just seems fair that genuine title contenders all get the same time to sort their kit out, and not get bonus time just because their bike is built somewhere other than Japan. Theres a lot of people and businesses putting in a great deal of money to run at that pointy end of race classes, and the fairer we can make it for ALL the better. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and Choppa was sitting in his pit garage on race day watching rivals like Cole, Stroud, Shirriffs, Bugden etc roll down pit lane for another "Land of the Rising Sun" race class practice, he would feel a little hard done by. The ruling we are making on this class effects maybe 2 or 3 people I would think (John Ross to name another). Nowhere have we said that BMW S1000RR, Aprilia RSV4s, Ducati 1198Rs are no longer welcome in this class. And we welcome Choppa to ride Bears - but on another bike other than his F1. He has agreed to ride the HP2 in Bears, and thats great. Maybe he'll still win on that anyway - but at least he hasn't had extra track time to sort out his F1 bike to F1 title rivals.
So, we welcome entries from people riding S1000s, RSVs etc. And those people are welcome to enter whatever other class their bike might suit - be it F1, F2 - whatever. And as far as the comments go that this is Suzukis doing - it isn't!! In fact, you can thank them for Bears being included in the Tri Series. We weren't originally going to run them again, but Suzuki liked the idea of a "point of difference" class.

Thanks for the clarity and I can see the reasoning behind the decision.and to a point agree.

To simplify the idea and maintain transparency a rule stating no cross entry from F1 could be the go rather than singling out a few.

[SWERVE]

Better have a target sewn into the back of your leathers CHOPPA:innocent:
Oh an better get a spare for John Ross...........
I see the point ........... i think......... but as someone said same odds to fall off in BEARS and not even compete in F1......... as to stay on and gain set-up.

[crazzed]

Thanks for the clarity and I can see the reasoning behind the decision.and to a point agree.

To simplify the idea and maintain transparency a rule stating no cross entry from F1 could be the go rather than singling out a few.

Just to throw another spanner in the works will this aply to triumphs can they cross enter from f2 to bears??? what about f2 bikes cross entering into f1???

[CHOPPA]

If im getting wasted by RSV4s and S1s ill be riding mine cause I was told they were excluded.

Is there a minimum lap time for those riding the bikes in question?

What about Dion, Joel Reed, Peter Tanner, John Woodley?? Is it ok for there competition to watch them get more practice? Or is it just because my competition is special??

The only fair way to do it is have 1 rider 1 bike 1 class.

[Shorty_925]

248999
Get some t-shirts made up as well.

[roogazza]

The only fair way to do it is have 1 rider 1 bike 1 class.

Yep, why not, and no cross entering.
Then change the Bears name to B grade or Clubmans, something needs changing in the least. I bet that would fix it.

[wayne]

cross entering ...............lol
maybe choopa might have 2 s1000rr one for bears one for f1 .
then what they do ?

[roogazza]

cross entering ...............lol
maybe choopa might have 2 s1000rr one for bears one for f1 .
then what they do ?

Considered that, but I'm betting he wouldn't fancy entering B grade ?

[RobGassit]

Not quite sure how slagging off the Tri Series and Suzuki by implication is the best way to encourage promotion of our
sport in NZ. It would seem that they merely wish to close a loophole which was abused last year to gain extra tracktime. Throwing toys all over KB is probably the perfect way to get whatever you want. The Tri Series is a class act, and deserves our support.:rockon:

[slowpoke]

What about Dion, Joel Reed, Peter Tanner, John Woodley?? Is it ok for there competition to watch them get more practice? Or is it just because my competition is special??

The only fair way to do it is have 1 rider 1 bike 1 class.

Pretty much agree with the whole 1 bike, 1 class sentiment.

I can't help thinking if poor Roger Cathro hadn't been trying to do in 4 laps what Rhys Holmes had 8 laps to do, if he might have not ended up munting bike and body in qualifying at the last Vic Club round. He was battling for the championship against guys getting twice as much practice/race time and it seems so unfair.

[Billy]

Not quite sure how slagging off the Tri Series and Suzuki by implication is the best way to encourage promotion of our
sport in NZ. It would seem that they merely wish to close a loophole which was abused last year to gain extra tracktime. Throwing toys all over KB is probably the perfect way to get whatever you want. The Tri Series is a class act, and deserves our support.:rockon:

Yea,But this is Kiwibiker where you whinge about how hard it is to get decent backing AND THEN start bagging the one distributor that puts hundreds of thousands of dollars into the sport every year and have done so for as long as I can remember,Those sort of things come back to bite you when the likes of Stroudy and co retire and Suzuki NZ are looking for a replacement,Tom will be laughing his head off if he ever gets to hear about this muck raking.

[CHOPPA]

Not quite sure how slagging off the Tri Series and Suzuki by implication is the best way to encourage promotion of our
sport in NZ. It would seem that they merely wish to close a loophole which was abused last year to gain extra tracktime. Throwing toys all over KB is probably the perfect way to get whatever you want. The Tri Series is a class act, and deserves our support.:rockon:

How is it a loophole?? Im eligible to ride the class, we paid the entry where do you think the loophole is?



Yea,But this is Kiwibiker where you whinge about how hard it is to get decent backing AND THEN start bagging the one distributor that puts hundreds of thousands of dollars into the sport every year and have done so for as long as I can remember,Those sort of things come back to bite you when the likes of Stroudy and co retire and Suzuki NZ are looking for a replacement,Tom will be laughing his head off if he ever gets to hear about this muck raking.

For your information I havnt bagged suzuki once.

AS MUCH AS THE ORGANISERS DENY IT, I WAS TOLD BY ALLEN THAT I COULD NOT RIDE THE S1000RR IN THE BEARS CLASS BECAUSE SUZUKI BEING THE MAJOR SPONSOR OF THE EVENT HAD TOLD HIM THAT IS HOW IT HAD TO BE.

ANOTHER THING THEY ARE TRYING TO DENY IS THAT HE TOLD ME THAT THERE WERE NO S1000RRS OR RSV4S TO BE RACING.

I cant confirm if Suzuki did or did not suggest this im just relaying the information that was given to me

[jellywrestler]

Those sort of things come back to bite you when the likes of Stroudy and co retire and Suzuki NZ are looking for a replacement,Tom will be laughing his head off if he ever gets to hear about this muck raking.
Yep dead right there Billy and Tom Peck's got a long long memory too...

[CHOPPA]

Yep dead right there Billy and Tom Peck's got a long long memory too...

This is not a fight against Suzuki and I have defended there side at every opportunity as I was only told information from the organiser that I cant prove is true or false.

You guys bringing all this up and making out there is a big conspiracy between me and suzuki are making it look really bad for them!

Your suggesting its ok to let the priest fuck you in the ass because you think you might be able to go to heaven some day

[Billy]

How is it a loophole?? Im eligible to ride the class, we paid the entry where do you think the loophole is?

THE LOOPHOLE IS,THEY CAN REFUSE ANY ENTRY THEY SEE FIT




For your information I havnt bagged suzuki once.

NOPE,BUT YOU WERE THE FIRST PERSON TO BRING THEM INTO IT IN POST #13 AND YOU IMPLIED IN THAT POST IT WAS PROBABLY CAUSE YOU USED THE CLASS FOR EXTRA PRACTICE LAST YEAR!!!


AS MUCH AS THE ORGANISERS DENY IT, I WAS TOLD BY ALLEN THAT I COULD NOT RIDE THE S1000RR IN THE BEARS CLASS BECAUSE SUZUKI BEING THE MAJOR SPONSOR OF THE EVENT HAD TOLD HIM THAT IS HOW IT HAD TO BE.

ANOTHER THING THEY ARE TRYING TO DENY IS THAT HE TOLD ME THAT THERE WERE NO S1000RRS OR RSV4S TO BE RACING.

I cant confirm if Suzuki did or did not suggest this im just relaying the information that was given to me


This is not a fight against Suzuki and I have defended there side at every opportunity as I was only told information from the organiser that I cant prove is true or false.

You guys bringing all this up and making out there is a big conspiracy between me and suzuki are making it look really bad for them!

Your suggesting its ok to let the priest fuck you in the ass because you think you might be able to go to heaven some day

Err,Actually neither I or the Jellyman mentioned your name ????

[CHOPPA]

Err,Actually neither I or the Jellyman mentioned your name ????

Well unless you quote someone elses comment then you are replying to me on my thread

[Billy]

Well unless you quote someone elses comment then you are replying to me on my thread

I did,I quoted Rob Gassits post and was generalising on the whole thread,But if the cap fits!!!

Negative rep,How very adult of you and youve whinged heaps on KB over the past couple of years about how hard it is to get sponsorship in NZ and how we need more TV so its easier to get sponsors and blah blah blah!!! But of course seeing as the comment wasnt directed solely at you or even mentioned your name,Why would you bother with negative rep??? LMFAO!

[CHOPPA]

I did,I quoted Rob Gassits post and was generalising on the whole thread,But if the cap fits!!!

Negative rep,How very adult of you and youve whinged heaps on KB over the past couple of years about how hard it is to get sponsorship in NZ and how we need more TV so its easier to get sponsors and blah blah blah!!! But of course seeing as the comment wasnt directed solely at you or even mentioned your name,Why would you bother with negative rep??? LMFAO!

I have never winged how hard it is ever, im always looking to find better resources for my current sponsors. Just like this topic. I want BMW to be out front destroying everything but apparently the BMW is just too good. The M1 facebook page has had thousands of impressions.

As far as your comments go im not stupid and there is only one person on this thread that is gonna be taking Andrews place so twist it however you like we can all see through your derogatory innuendos

[Billy]

As far as your comments go im not stupid and there is only one person on this thread that is gonna be taking Andrews place so twist it however you like we can all see through your derogatory innuendos

Reread the post and try using both eyes this time,The LIKES OF andrew AND CO was the statement,Derogatory innuendos ???Again if the cap fits,There are a number of other posters on here that are talented enough to fit in with any of the distributors be that Suzuki NZ or otherwise

[jellywrestler]

I want BMW to be out front destroying everything but apparently the BMW is just too good.
Winning Bears races is still like being the tallest Dwarf...

[jellywrestler]

This is not a fight against Suzuki it may not be from your side but Suzuki is the main sponsor of the Tri-Series and indeed puts more money into road racing than any other brands so some people out here can still see a pathway forming.
You also mention your getting mileage for BMW, is that the same BMW that your team had to pay retail for your race bike?

[Biggles08]

Man...I want a BMW S1000RR now! Looks like they are the brand pissing everyone off now! Choppa...you should get some mean aftermarket wheels for that bike of your bro...race em in the Nats! :Punk:

[gixerracer]

I have never winged how hard it is ever, im always looking to find better resources for my current sponsors. Just like this topic. I want BMW to be out front destroying everything but apparently the BMW is just too good. The M1 facebook page has had thousands of impressions.

As far as your comments go im not stupid and there is only one person on this thread that is gonna be taking Andrews place so twist it however you like we can all see through your derogatory innuendos

Thanks Chop Im trying to take over from him but he just wont let go

[CHOPPA]

Reread the post and try using both eyes this time,The LIKES OF andrew AND CO was the statement,Derogatory innuendos ???Again if the cap fits,There are a number of other posters on here that are talented enough to fit in with any of the distributors be that Suzuki NZ or otherwise

Who?


Winning Bears races is still like being the tallest Dwarf...

The crowd dont know that, I get TV time to show my sponsors what they get for there money, how is that bad?


it may not be from your side but Suzuki is the main sponsor of the Tri-Series and indeed puts more money into road racing than any other brands so some people out here can still see a pathway forming.
You also mention your getting mileage for BMW, is that the same BMW that your team had to pay retail for your race bike?

Regardless if they do a little or a lot. The fact is they do help the team and we will do whatever we can for them

[jellywrestler]

Man...I want a BMW S1000RR now! Looks like they are the brand pissing everyone off now! Choppa...you should get some mean aftermarket wheels for that bike of your bro...race em in the Nats! :Punk:
he needs a 17inch rear for his bucket, will you take an 18inch for a trade?

[jellywrestler]

The crowd dont know that, I get TV time to show my sponsors what they get for there money, how is that bad?

I'm sure you'll have some good publicity carving up the feild on the HP2 farm bike based BMW, that is of course the secret anti BMW underworld doesn't censor the commentators cause they've been reading this thread and picking holes in their Tri Series eh?
Best take some good walking shoes too as I'm sure the pits they set aside from you will be a long long way from the action...?

[Drew]

GOAL!!!

Opening post said you weren't worried about it, but wanted to post to stir it up. You win Mr Frost.

I can't help but think they have gone about it the wrong way. A no cross entering rule should go accross the board I think. At Paeroa the only bikes that were allowed to cross enter at all were Bears bikes the year I raced there. But if I was not allowed to cross enter I'd have gone Bears only, if I had to choose one or the other I'd have peddled the 749 in Bears since I placed a couple spots higher there.

[Tony.OK]

Oh shit...............couldn't help myself..........love KB :innocent:

Lets lighten this up a tad!

249020

[Kickaha]

. It would seem that they merely wish to close a loophole which was abused last year to gain extra tracktime.
Abused how do you work that out?

If last years rules allowed it then it's not really a loophole

I can see why they want to do it but after entries are posted off isn't the time, the rules on this should have been in place to stop cross entry well before it got to the stage of ringing competitors and telling them they can't enter a particular class

[RobGassit]

Abused how do you work that out?

If last years rules allowed it then it's not really a loophole

I can see why they want to do it but after entries are posted off isn't the time, the rules on this should have been in place to stop cross entry well before it got to the stage of ringing competitors and telling them they can't enter a particular class

I agree they should have sorted this prior to entries being posted. I guess it was an oversight. Trying to fix it by a gentlemans aggreement obviously is blowing up in their faces. Talk about bite the hand that feeds you?

[slowpoke]

Abused how do you work that out?

If last years rules allowed it then it's not really a loophole

I can see why they want to do it but after entries are posted off isn't the time, the rules on this should have been in place to stop cross entry well before it got to the stage of ringing competitors and telling them they can't enter a particular class

But the rules aren't in place, and coulda/shoulda/woulda doesn't fix anything. It's still 2 months away, the organisers have identified that certain riders have an advantage and they've removed the advantage, job well done. What else can they do, cross their fingers and hope for the best? I can't see how they could have done much better, except to go for the 1 bike, 1 class approach.

[Kickaha]

the organisers have identified that certain riders have an advantage and they've removed the advantage, job well done.
If it was a job well done it would have been done before the entry forms were available


I can't see how they could have done much better, except to go for the 1 bike, 1 class approach.
So next year Choppa should enter two different S1000R in the two different classes:shifty:

[gixerracer]

If it was a job well done it would have been done before the entry forms were available


So next year Choppa should enter two different S1000R in the two different classes:shifty:

And that is how we got around the same problem in 05 I think it was when they said you cant cross enter your 600 in to F1 so I turned up with 2 bikes haha and that fucked them. Brian Bernards team went one better and just swapped transponders so at least they rode the same bikes all day, I wish I thought of it:facepalm:

[ktm]

And that is how we got around the same problem in 05 I think it was when they said you cant cross enter your 600 in to F1 so I turned up with 2 bikes haha and that fucked them. Brian Bernards team went one better and just swapped transponders so at least they rode the same bikes all day, I wish I thought of it:facepalm:

Hahaha, always read the rules.....

[slowpoke]

And that is how we got around the same problem in 05 I think it was when they said you cant cross enter your 600 in to F1 so I turned up with 2 bikes haha and that fucked them. Brian Bernards team went one better and just swapped transponders so at least they rode the same bikes all day, I wish I thought of it:facepalm:

See now that changes things for me. I was leaning towards thinking the organisers had responded in a fairly timely manner....but to hear they've been through all this malarkey before is farkin' frustrating.

Shoulda known that dodgy bugger Craig Shirriffs would be mixed up in it somewhere!

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[jellywrestler]

See now that changes things for me. I was leaning towards thinking the organisers had responded in a fairly timely manner....but to hear they've been through all this malarkey before is farkin' frustrating.

Shoulda known that dodgy bugger Craig Shirriffs would be mixed up in it somewhere! might be a bit of a surprise but there's different organisers six years down the track...

[suzuki21]

What a goddamned joke Bears has become. A mate of mine who is a clubmans rider on a 675 Trumpy has spent a lot of coin on a BMW ss10000rrrrrsp thingy so he can ride F1 and Bears so he can cross enter and learn to ride fast quicker. If the rule is "determined by how fast someone is" imagine if Rossi turned up in NZ on holiday on a Ducati 1998sp Ducati and wanted to have a holiday "track day". In our races he would be told to fuck off because he is too fast? Bring on the fucking Labour party to say "we dont want anyone to beat us its all about trying". I normally add comments on this site to take the piss but this is FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
B.E.A.R.S - British European American.............. Last time I looked BMW was fucking German, you dont get much more European than that. If Sloan kicks arse in Bears good on him! He has a good bike but an Aprillia or Ducati is a match for it in the same hands. So why dont we all ban anything European and only let Harleys race - but the riders have to not ever raced before, have no hair, minimum dry bike weight 270kg, running boards compulsory.

[Robert Taylor]

I make no comment on the BMW situation and was blissfully unaware of it. But its a timely reminder that but for the considerable input of Suzuki NZ ( and most especially Tom Peck ) road racing in NZ would be a joke.

[suzuki21]

Heres the deal with what the organisers spoke to Choppa about today. We rate Choppa, and a couple of others, as (in his case F1) genuine title contenders for the Tri Series. Its because of this fact that we felt (along with a host of feed back from people from last years series(competitors and non-competitors alike)) that he had an unfair advantage getting double the track time (and hence double the set up time) than his rivals have. We run one day meetings, and track time is very precious for everyone and to us it just seems fair that genuine title contenders all get the same time to sort their kit out, and not get bonus time just because their bike is built somewhere other than Japan. Theres a lot of people and businesses putting in a great deal of money to run at that pointy end of race classes, and the fairer we can make it for ALL the better. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and Choppa was sitting in his pit garage on race day watching rivals like Cole, Stroud, Shirriffs, Bugden etc roll down pit lane for another "Land of the Rising Sun" race class practice, he would feel a little hard done by. The ruling we are making on this class effects maybe 2 or 3 people I would think (John Ross to name another). Nowhere have we said that BMW S1000RR, Aprilia RSV4s, Ducati 1198Rs are no longer welcome in this class. And we welcome Choppa to ride Bears - but on another bike other than his F1. He has agreed to ride the HP2 in Bears, and thats great. Maybe he'll still win on that anyway - but at least he hasn't had extra track time to sort out his F1 bike to F1 title rivals.
So, we welcome entries from people riding S1000s, RSVs etc. And those people are welcome to enter whatever other class their bike might suit - be it F1, F2 - whatever. And as far as the comments go that this is Suzukis doing - it isn't!! In fact, you can thank them for Bears being included in the Tri Series. We weren't originally going to run them again, but Suzuki liked the idea of a "point of difference" class.

I still dont understand. Extra track time is an advantage I agree, but why punish someone because they are fast? FYI Dan Sauffer kicked arse and he hadnt even seen the track before, so maybe no practice is better?.

[gixerracer]

I still dont understand. Extra track time is an advantage I agree, but why punish someone because they are fast? FYI Dan Sauffer kicked arse and he hadnt even seen the track before, so maybe no practice is better?.

Only because I had an off day:facepalm:

[Deano]

So will Scott Moir be able to enter Supersport and Superlight ?

I'm sure its only the extra practice that enables him to kick my arse :shutup:

[wayne]

organisers could ask suzuki to get a paid rider of theres,
to rider a none bmw in bears and then they might leave bears alone, would look good a suzuki sponsored ducati,
we must win all classes................ at our meetings, any cost mr suzuki
suzuki could get rossi to ride the ducati in nz,

[Crasherfromwayback]

organisers could ask suzuki to get a paid rider of theres,
to rider a none bmw in bears and then they might leave bears alone, would look good a suzuki sponsored ducati,
we must win all classes................ at our meetings, any cost mr suzuki
suzuki could get rossi to ride the ducati in nz,

Again in English please?

[wharfy]

Yep dead right there Billy and Tom Peck's got a long long memory too...

So he would be prepared to overlook a top rider because at some time in the past they aired what on the face of it seems to be a genuine grievance ?

I'm aware that sponsors require more than just a fast rider, but from what I've seen so far Choppa is the complete package.

That's one of the problems with the sport in NZ to many people with long memories about real or perceived slights.

Does Tom Peck read Kiwibiker or will somebody have to "inform" him ?

[Paul in NZ]

Personally I have no idea why more people don't follow motorcycle racing in NZ... If its like this thread its probably quite entertaining...

[Billy]

So he would be prepared to overlook a top rider because at some time in the past they aired what on the face of it seems to be a genuine grievance ?

WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME!!!

I'm aware that sponsors require more than just a fast rider, but from what I've seen so far Choppa is the complete package.

AGAIN,POINT OUT TO ME WHERE CHOPPAS NAME IS MENTIONED ???


That's one of the problems with the sport in NZ to many people with long memories about real or perceived slights.

Does Tom Peck read Kiwibiker or will somebody have to "inform" him ?

Dont know,But there are a number of people that regularly visit this site who would have a reasonable amount of contact with him.

[Robert Taylor]

organisers could ask suzuki to get a paid rider of theres,
to rider a none bmw in bears and then they might leave bears alone, would look good a suzuki sponsored ducati,
we must win all classes................ at our meetings, any cost mr suzuki
suzuki could get rossi to ride the ducati in nz,

Ok, so as a builder you build a house and then its advertised that someone else built it? That doesnt make sense. Its no more appropriate for Suzuki or Honda contracted riders to ride ( for example ) an Aprilia than it is for them to respectively ride another Japanese brand. It doesnt make commercial sense.
As I was at pains to point out to you in your pm message to me my comment was simply that its a positive that SNZ put so much money and effort into the sport. I was not engaging nor had any stomach to engage into how the Bears class is going to run in the Tri Series.
Note that Sloan and his team owner are very good customers of mine, Im perfectly sure that they fully understood what I said and why.

[Robert Taylor]

So he would be prepared to overlook a top rider because at some time in the past they aired what on the face of it seems to be a genuine grievance ?

I'm aware that sponsors require more than just a fast rider, but from what I've seen so far Choppa is the complete package.

That's one of the problems with the sport in NZ to many people with long memories about real or perceived slights.

Does Tom Peck read Kiwibiker or will somebody have to "inform" him ?

Im sure Tom has far bigger things to worry about!

[Shaun]

organisers could ask suzuki to get a paid rider of theres,
to rider a none bmw in bears and then they might leave bears alone, would look good a suzuki sponsored ducati,
we must win all classes................ at our meetings, any cost mr suzuki
suzuki could get rossi to ride the ducati in nz,



What a pathetic dribble post, are you under the age of 3 or some thing:facepalm:

With out what Suzuki NZ have spent on the race scene in the last 10 years, there would be NO race scene.

Sloan Frost ( Choppa) WILL be the Suzuki NZ Main man in a year or 2 I think, and bloody good on him and his current sponsore for getting him where he is!

[Morcs]

Bears - racing class for uncompetitive european bikes.

So naturally any bike that can compete with the jappas should be excluded.

[wharfy]

Hmm.... The quoting seems to be a bit dodgy but I'll have a crack at sorting it out - my reply to your question and comments in this font

So he would be prepared to overlook a top rider because at some time in the past they aired what on the face of it seems to be a genuine grievance ?


WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME!!!

I'm aware that sponsors require more than just a fast rider, but from what I've seen so far Choppa is the complete package.


AGAIN,POINT OUT TO ME WHERE CHOPPAS NAME IS MENTIONED ???

Umm...Choppa started the thread - I can only assume that replies to the thread are directed at Choppa unless quoting is used - (which is how I figured out I should reply to this one)

That's one of the problems with the sport in NZ to many people with long memories about real or perceived slights.

Does Tom Peck read Kiwibiker or will somebody have to "inform" him ?


Dont know,But there are a number of people that regularly visit this site who would have a reasonable amount of contact with him.

So you (and Jellywrestler) believe Tom Peck (who I have never heard of until today but I gather that he has the power to deny Suzuki sponsorship to people he doesn't like) is not only vengeful but listens to (and gives credence to) tattle-tail that somebody might tell him they saw on the web ? You obviously have a low opinion of him.

[White trash]

Fuck you're a shit stirrer Wharfy.

[wharfy]

To be honest im not that concerned but I do like to stir the pot :devil2:



Stir the pot !! Jeez more shit than when I tried using the electric egg beater to unblock the dunny :)

[avgas]

BEARS is a waste of space.

Said it before and I am guaranteed to say it again.

We need a real class with legitimate rules to replace it.

[CHOPPA]

Regretfully this thread has taken a bit of a negative turn towards Tom and Suzuki which I never intended.

Tom and Suzuki have done and do a lot for the sport and me personally so its not fair they get reflected on negatively.

There is an issue and that is the rules surrounding the BEARS class. I have told the organisers that I am happy to ride the HP2 but as long is the ruling is across the board and not just directed at the like of John and I

[White trash]

Stir the pot !! Jeez more shit than when I tried using the electric egg beater to unblock the dunny :)

Hey Wharfy, will you be contesting BEARS and F2 mate?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you (and Jellywrestler) believe Tom Peck (who I have never heard of until today but I gather that he has the power to deny Suzuki sponsorship to people he doesn't like) is not only vengeful but listens to (and gives credence to) tattle-tail that somebody might tell him they saw on the web ? You obviously have a low opinion of him.

Billy, Spyda, and any motorcyclist with half a brain should have THE utmost respect for Tom Peck and SNZ. Without them, racing in NZ would be fucked and you'd all be bawling your eyes out. The thing is...Billy and Spyda DO respect him.

[jnr909]

i dont think it matters sloan wont win on the bmw in f1 anyway even wit the extra track time. Nick cole for the win!

[Billy]

Hmm.... The quoting seems to be a bit dodgy but I'll have a crack at sorting it out - my reply to your question and comments in this font

So he would be prepared to overlook a top rider because at some time in the past they aired what on the face of it seems to be a genuine grievance ?



I'm aware that sponsors require more than just a fast rider, but from what I've seen so far Choppa is the complete package.


Umm...Choppa started the thread - I can only assume that replies to the thread are directed at Choppa unless quoting is used - (which is how I figured out I should reply to this one)

That's one of the problems with the sport in NZ to many people with long memories about real or perceived slights.

Does Tom Peck read Kiwibiker or will somebody have to "inform" him ?



So you (and Jellywrestler) believe Tom Peck (who I have never heard of until today but I gather that he has the power to deny Suzuki sponsorship to people he doesn't like) is not only vengeful but listens to (and gives credence to) tattle-tail that somebody might tell him they saw on the web ? You obviously have a low opinion of him.

Hahahahahahaha!Read the whole thread and not just the bits that relate to your argument and you will see that I did quote somebody and did NOT mention Choppas name in that post.

Tom Peck and Suzuki NZ are the reason roadracing has the profile and support it does.The fact he doesnt like it when people drag their good name into a conflict in the public arena,Is all the more reason to respect him.

The fact that you are serving on a committee of the motorcycle club that runs one of the biggest club series in the country and you dont know who the people are that contribute the most to the sport,Does not stand you in good stead!!

[gixerracer]

i dont think it matters sloan wont win on the bmw in f1 anyway even wit the extra track time. Nick cole for the win!

Sloan has a very good chance of winning F1 he he rides Boxing day? At this stage the only guy's with a shit showof winning that are racing boxing day would be Sloan and Andrew Stroud none of the other riders are racing boxing day

[wharfy]

Hahahahahahaha!Read the whole thread and not just the bits that relate to your argument and you will see that I did quote somebody and did NOT mention Choppas name in that post.


Indeed, MY post was a reply to Jellywrestlers, which was a reply appearing to support a post by you, replying to a post by robgassit. The whole inference of both jellywrestler and your posts was that Mr Peck would hold it against the "whinger" who I took to be the starter of the thread (Choppa) - If that is not who you meant then perhaps you should clarify who you did mean ?



Tom Peck and Suzuki NZ are the reason roadracing has the profile and support it does.The fact he doesnt like it when people drag their good name into a conflict in the public arena,Is all the more reason to respect him.


I believe YOU were the one who introduced his name into the discussion



The fact that you are serving on a committee of the motorcycle club that runs one of the biggest club series in the country and you dont know who the people are that contribute the most to the sport,Does not stand you in good stead!!

Stand me in good stead for what ? winning the trivial pursuits quiz about motor cycle sponsorship in NZ ? :facepalm:

[jnr909]

Sloan has a very good chance of winning F1 he he rides Boxing day? At this stage the only guy's with a shit showof winning that are racing boxing day would be Sloan and Andrew Stroud none of the other riders are racing boxing day

of course he does even if they all were there dick hes right up there on your guys tails when you used to ride there. was just being a cunt YOU know how it goes to stir shit

[Steve Gauge]

yes nick for a win:innocent:

[RobGassit]

If I was a major sponsor for a rider I am pretty sure I would want to see any press releases or statements to be made by that rider publicly before they went to air. Not necessarily to censor those statements, but to be able to discuss whether they were in the best interst of the team.
If a rider chooses to go looking for controversy, and finds it, I'm at a loss as to why he would then be surprised to find differing views to his, especially on this forum.
If in that statement he also admitted to previously entering a class he had no intention of racing in, just to get extra practice time, but then protest to being dealt with unfairly when the meeting organiser tries to find a fair way to prevent that reoccurring, after he received complaints, you would surely expect to attract both positive and negative views on those previous actions.
I've dropped plenty of clangers on here after posting late at night or when in a hurry. I've received the bollocking I deserved and have respectfully apologised.
We all learn pretty quickly that KB can be a real madhouse. I think it's easy for someone to have a brainfart blow back into his face on here.

[CHOPPA]

If I was a major sponsor for a rider I am pretty sure I would want to see any press releases or statements to be made by that rider publicly before they went to air. Not necessarily to censor those statements, but to be able to discuss whether they were in the best interst of the team.
If a rider chooses to go looking for controversy, and finds it, I'm at a loss as to why he would then be surprised to find differing views to his, especially on this forum.
If in that statement he also admitted to previously entering a class he had no intention of racing in, just to get extra practice time, but then protest to being dealt with unfairly when the meeting organiser tries to find a fair way to prevent that reoccurring, after he received complaints, you would surely expect to attract both positive and negative views on those previous actions.
I've dropped plenty of clangers on here after posting late at night or when in a hurry. I've received the bollocking I deserved and have respectfully apologised.
We all learn pretty quickly that KB can be a real madhouse. I think it's easy for someone to have a brainfart blow back into his face on here.

Fair comments, I actually didnt do all the races at HDs last year because I got cramps so decided against BEARS for the rest of the day. At manfield I was out of the points so I just did the practice because everyone else had practiced friday and I had to work then at Wanganui I raced every F1 and BEARS race.

I did discuss this with my sponsors and they were equally if not more upset regarding the situation and I had there permission to discuss the situation. It does not reflect badly upon any of them infact it just creates more hype.

[CHOPPA]

I dont think anyone will really be showing there hand at the Tri Series specially considering most are not doing wangas

[Billy]

Indeed, MY post was a reply to Jellywrestlers, which was a reply appearing to support a post by you, replying to a post by robgassit. The whole inference of both jellywrestler and your posts was that Mr Peck would hold it against the "whinger" who I took to be the starter of the thread (Choppa) - If that is not who you meant then perhaps you should clarify who you did mean ?



I believe YOU were the one who introduced his name into the discussion



Stand me in good stead for what ? winning the trivial pursuits quiz about motor cycle sponsorship in NZ ? :facepalm:

Again!read the whole thread,Yes it was me that mentioned Toms name first,After it was suggested that Suzuki NZ were responsible for the decision,

Stand you in good stead for what???Yea good point,Not much to do with motorcycling anyway.
Sayonara!!

[CHOPPA]

I'm sure you'll have some good publicity carving up the feild on the HP2 farm bike based BMW, that is of course the secret anti BMW underworld doesn't censor the commentators cause they've been reading this thread and picking holes in their Tri Series eh?
Best take some good walking shoes too as I'm sure the pits they set aside from you will be a long long way from the action...?

Seen you are the commentator and part of the Tri Series crew should I take this as a threat?

[Dreama]

To all those that think BEARs is a joke, a waste of space or whatever, perhaps attend the SOT in Feb and then ask the same question. Hundreds of passionate riders, gorgeous hand built and lovingly maintained and restored bikes and above all .... an atmosphere of fun, humour and enjoyable rivallry.

However, it's a stand alone meeting so it's different to the BEARs class being discussed here, which is mainly a Nth Island phenonoma because the BEARs down south are strong enough to run their own meetings.
But there is no doubt the landscape has changed with the BMW and Aprilla 4's being head and shoulders above the BEARs bikes of just a few years ago, so it's all unbalanced now and that balance needs to be addressed ..... something, it seems, that the Tri Nations organiser has attempted to do. It's pretty clear that Sloan did recognise that fact.
How the BEARs 'class' (as opposed to 'club') in these types of meetings will survive depends on how that balance gets addressed, but in the US the 'Twins' class seems to be the answer to that.

[slowpoke]

I dont think anyone will really be showing there hand at the Tri Series specially considering most are not doing wangas

Yeah, I was wondering how many of the top boys would risk doing Wanga's with NZSBK so soon afterwards. Munt your bike (or yourself) at Wanga's and it'll be hard work putting things right at that time of year.

[Robert Taylor]

The reality is this site wouldnt be remotely near to being on Toms radar screen.

[Kickaha]

Only because I had an off day:facepalm:

As opposed to having an off per day?


BEARS is a waste of space.

Said it before and I am guaranteed to say it again.

We need a real class with legitimate rules to replace it.

That's because BEARs in the NI is a pale imitation of what happens with it in the South

[Drew]

To all those that think BEARs is a joke, a waste of space or whatever, perhaps attend the SOT in Feb and then ask the same question. Hundreds of passionate riders, gorgeous hand built and lovingly maintained and restored bikes and above all .... an atmosphere of fun, humour and enjoyable rivallry.

However, it's a stand alone meeting so it's different to the BEARs class being discussed here, which is mainly a Nth Island phenonoma because the BEARs down south are strong enough to run their own meetings.
But there is no doubt the landscape has changed with the BMW and Aprilla 4's being head and shoulders above the BEARs bikes of just a few years ago, so it's all unbalanced now and that balance needs to be addressed ..... something, it seems, that the Tri Nations organiser has attempted to do. It's pretty clear that Sloan did recognise that fact.
How the BEARs 'class' (as opposed to 'club') in these types of meetings will survive depends on how that balance gets addressed, but in the US the 'Twins' class seems to be the answer to that.

So there needs to be yet another class introduced?

I have no problem with the BEArs class, the people who are passionate about riding non Japanese bikes (but can't keep up with them) are of course as entitled to race an appropriate class. It is good for the non biking public to see the different (Read; LOUDER) bikes on the track.

I have been to the sound of thunder meeting, I raced there. The feilds were made up of 90% Ducati, including the two my team mate and I were riding. By what you are saying I can only assume you want a class in which lovers of the Ducati can run at the front. One exists now, it's called superbike, Just ask Carlos Checa.

[Shorty_925]

infact it just creates more hype.

Get the Alessi-like t-shirts made up, create more hype!

[Drew]

That's because BEARs in the NI is a pale imitation of what happens with it in the South


How about you and your cronies organise a BEArs meeting up here and show us how it's done then?

A lot of the guys racing BEArs down there are in better financial position than most racers I know, tell them to pony up!

[Kickaha]

How about you and your cronies organise a BEArs meeting up here and show us how it's done then?
They did run a Northern Sound of Thunder at Pukekohe about 1988, I remember thinking what a bumpy shithole the track was, I don't think anything has really changed


A lot of the guys racing BEArs down there are in better financial position than most racers I know, tell them to pony up!
Tell them yourself :bleh:

[wharfy]

Hey Wharfy, will you be contesting BEARS and F2 mate?

That's the plan :)

[Drew]

That's the plan :)CHEAT!

You're getting too much track time, it's unfair on those who can't cross enter!

The whole situation has been piss poorly handled, and I for one think Sloan should enter the S1000 in BEArs as the rules clearly state he can. Unless the organiser can give a valid reason as to why it's only him that cannot.

[driftn]

So Chop....... Can I borrow your bike for BEARS??

[tigertim20]

CHEAT!

You're getting too much track time, it's unfair on those who can't cross enter!

The whole situation has been piss poorly handled, and I for one think Sloan should enter the S1000 in BEArs as the rules clearly state he can. Unless the organiser can give a valid reason as to why it's only him that cannot.


In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

[Kickaha]

organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.


Yeah but the organisers should have said that before entries went in rather than changing the rules of the game part way through it

Premier class? I didn't realise he was trying to enter it in Buckets I thought he was just riding a poofy Superbike

[Billy]

In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

Err,I think Drew was just taking the piss:shutup:

[White trash]

In case you missed the several pages where this was discussed Il explain it for you.
He CAN enter, but not the SAME bike.
organisers have said that being a once day even thats being run, to let a few guys enter the same bike on the same track on the same day, into TWO different classes, and therefore give them double the setup and double the practice time, would be unfair on the others contesting the premier class.

IF however Sloan wanted to race an s-thou in bears, he could have one bike for bears, and one bike for superbike, thus negating any advantage he has in setting up his superbike, as no matter how identical you think two bikes are, they will always have some differences.

Personally, Id like to see sloan get lent a 2nd bimmer and ride both.

Ummmmmmmm, what about all the people that are cross entering BEArs and F1/F2?

[Kickaha]

Ummmmmmmm, what about all the people that are cross entering BEArs and F1/F2?

Maybe they give better blowjobs than Choppa

[tigertim20]

Err,I think Drew was just taking the piss:shutup:
mybe, but im drinking, subtlety is lost on me at this point!

Yeah but the organisers should have said that before entries went in rather than changing the rules of the game part way through it

Premier class? I didn't realise he was trying to enter it in Buckets I thought he was just riding a poofy Superbike

Agree, yes there should have been more forethought/transparency with it, but fuck, these politics and rule changes are a fact of life with racing, you got to just accept the rules and do the best you can with the parameters you have.
Oh and choppa in buckets, perhaps you mised this thread?:woohoo:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/143152-Choppa-s-bucket-build

[scracha]

GOAL!!!

Opening post said you weren't worried about it, but wanted to post to stir it up. You win Mr Frost.

I can't help but think they have gone about it the wrong way. A no cross entering rule should go accross the board I think. At Paeroa the only bikes that were allowed to cross enter at all were Bears bikes the year I raced there.

Yeah, and you can see how full the grids were as a result. Get real. Shit, if they banned ALL riders (even slow ones like me) from cross entering into F1 then there'd be a handful of bikes racing at most events.

BMW / Chopper is a side issue. I think the real reason is that they're scared a shite old Yamaha ridden by a ginger will get a podium.

[Billy]

Yeah, and you can see how full the grids were as a result. Get real. Shit, if they banned ALL riders (even slow ones like me) from cross entering into F1 then there'd be a handful of bikes racing at most events.

I think the real reason is that they're scared a shite old Yamaha ridden by a ginger will get a podium.

The Yamaha is dead,Long live the Bimota,Unfortunately still ridden by the ginga!

[jellywrestler]

Sloan has a very good chance of winning F1 he he rides Boxing day? At this stage the only guy's with a shit showof winning that are racing boxing day would be Sloan and Andrew Stroud none of the other riders are racing boxing day

two words Craig Nick Cole

[jellywrestler]

Seen you are the commentator and part of the Tri Series crew should I take this as a threat?

fuck no, it's pleasure to have you on the track and quite simply you'll make it a better race for all on the HP2.
one of the best races at the Cemetery Circuit was one of Robert holdens last, on his Husky trail bike in the bears, he placed second to Rodney OcConner but it was spec fucking tacular

[Blackflagged]

Cross entry... Like Motards out of F3

Bimota ..damn euro trash!..raffled a few rulebooks

[gixerracer]

two words Craig Nick Cole

If he goes he will win but I dont think he is going either

[codgyoleracer]

The Yamaha is dead,Long live the Bimota,Unfortunately still ridden by the ginga!

Bugger, i forgot about entering that thing, but then if i put it on the front row in F1 we would only be relegated to the third row like the SV650 was a few years back "in the interests of safety" ......... :-) (cue whitetrash ?)

[roadracingoldfart]

Bugger, i forgot about entering that thing, but then if i put it on the front row in F1 we would only be relegated to the third row like the SV650 was a few years back "in the interests of safety" ......... :-) (cue whitetrash ?)



Only cause your too slow and its dangerous for you to be in front :shutup:, all those fast guys would gobble you and your wee machine. Now get off the big boys grid .:innocent::facepalm::blink:




Where is whitetrash !!!!

[Shaun]

I dont think anyone will really be showing there hand at the Tri Series specially considering most are not doing wangas





Bunch of SOFT COCK poofters

[CHOPPA]

Bunch of SOFT COCK poofters

You should beg borrow or steal a 1000 if all the boys are just gonna be watching mate!

[slowpoke]

You should beg borrow or steal a 1000 if all the boys are just gonna be watching mate!

I know where you can get your mitts on a S1000RR for the BEAR's races........

[Drew]

Bugger, i forgot about entering that thing, but then if i put it on the front row in F1 we would only be relegated to the third row like the SV650 was a few years back "in the interests of safety" ......... :-) (cue whitetrash ?)
He seems un interested, so I'll chime in.

Was safe for Fitzgerald to start from the back of the grid in F3 though that same day.:blink:

I don't mind who takes offense when I say this, Wanganui is far from the best event as far as the running of it goes. I'll put my self right in the firing line and say borderline corruptible.

I know where you can get your mitts on a S1000RR for the BEAR's races........Can you imagine how over sprung it'd be if the midget day walker got on it after Sloan? The thing would break the ol' buggers hips!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't mind who takes offense when I say this, Wanganui is far from the best event as far as the running of it goes. I'll put my self right in the firing line and say borderline corruptible.
!

I've been met with some fucking stupid, bordering on dangerous decisions by the powers that be at Wangas mate.

[roadracingoldfart]

I've been met with some fucking stupid, bordering on dangerous decisions by the powers that be at Wangas mate.



Ahhh the good old days aye !!! yipp been there too Pete. Mad as and not needed.
" To infinity and beyond " is a bit similar to " safe fair and no fun " isnt it ???

[jellywrestler]

If he goes he will win but I dont think he is going either
he's entered

[roadracingoldfart]

Winning Bears races is still like being the tallest Dwarf...


You short assed hairy bastard , i resent the way you talk about Shaun like that .:facepalm::blink: