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Big Dave
27th October 2011, 20:20
Doing a bit for Heavy Duty Magazine (http://www.heavyduty.com.au/) on a Chopperworks (http://www.chopperworks.com.au/) creation.
Haven't ridden a turbo anything before - keen as.
Closest is sat on Zedman's CX.

Big Dave
28th October 2011, 18:06
Awesome. 150hp and it goes ktshsssssssssh.

MIXONE
28th October 2011, 18:17
I love turbos.:love:Shall follow your report with interest.

tigertim20
28th October 2011, 18:51
Awesome. 150hp and it goes ktshsssssssssh.

as far as impressive power figures go, 150 is fuckall for the size of engine the thing probably has, 1600+?? I dunno.

Would be an interesting thing to ride, I imagine its running low boost for extra pull everywhere rather than high and aimed at the redline?

Be keen to read your review. and a vid if you can swing it

Big Dave
28th October 2011, 19:19
as far as impressive power figures go, 150 is fuckall for the size of engine the thing probably has, 1600+?? I dunno.

Would be an interesting thing to ride, I imagine its running low boost for extra pull everywhere rather than high and aimed at the redline?

Be keen to read your review. and a vid if you can swing it

Cheers,

True, a ZX14 or a V-Max have 25% more pony, but the 1620 also produces 145Nm at 8psi of booostages - as you know, 'streetability' is a combination of the two - against RPM.

'tis fun, quick and still very tractable.

And it goes Ktschuuuuuush.

98tls
28th October 2011, 19:35
Cheers,

True, a ZX14 or a V-Max have 25% more pony, but the 1620 also produces 145Nm at 8psi of booostages - as you know, 'streetability' is a combination of the two - against RPM.

'tis fun, quick and still very tractable.

And it goes Ktschuuuuuush.

Be intersting to read your report,fwiw a bloke in England acheived 148 by attaching a supercharger to the side of his TL,have seen plenty of footage both on the TL site and stuff hes sent me and whilst completly rideable on day to day stuff didnt seem to work so well when used for its intended purpose ie the English hillclimb series.The Turbo v Supercharger thing i find really interesting more so when it comes to bikes.Have fun and as i said looking forward to your findings.

scumdog
28th October 2011, 19:42
as far as impressive power figures go, 150 is fuckall for the size of engine the thing probably has, 1600+?? I dunno.



But could probably tow-start a bull-dozer with it's handbrake on..

tigertim20
28th October 2011, 19:52
But could probably tow-start a bull-dozer with it's handbrake on..

your Harley not starting again scummy? . . .:innocent:

Big Dave
28th October 2011, 20:49
Also of note was of the staff or associates of Chopperworks I spoke to at length - 50% were Hawke's Bay native.

DrunkenMistake
28th October 2011, 21:41
your Harley not starting again scummy? . . .:innocent:


I thought he was taking a subtle piss take of the lard bitch you call a mother by calling her a bulldozer?

tigertim20
28th October 2011, 21:44
I thought he was taking a subtle piss take of the lard bitch you call a mother by calling her a bulldozer?

nonono, not bulldozer, its pitbull!!!
cos shes like a pitbull
she sees some meat, and she charges!

HenryDorsetCase
29th October 2011, 10:43
as far as impressive power figures go, 150 is fuckall for the size of engine the thing probably has, 1600+?? I dunno.

Would be an interesting thing to ride, I imagine its running low boost for extra pull everywhere rather than high and aimed at the redline?

Be keen to read your review. and a vid if you can swing it

my (limited, laymans) understanding of turbo charging is that it is most effective at higher rev ranges all things being equal. Supercharging where the pump is mechanically driven is where you get the low down boost, and stuff. Plus the cool whirry belt noises and stuff. I am thinking about taht Rotrex supercharged VFR800 specifically.

Be interested to read BD's article about it.

tigertim20
29th October 2011, 11:20
to get the most out of a turbo, yes, it will deliver up top, having said that, you can set it up to do just about anything you want.
Supercharging, when set up right, SHOULD eliminate lag, and provide boost basically from idle.

As BD said streetability is the goal with a bike like this, so theres no way a 1600cc turbo twin is going to be set up to deliver boost up top, unless its a drag bike.

Ive read about the vfr's with superchargers too, theyre getting 180hp easily and reliably out of them, very cool. And now that a few people have done it, theres a bit of info, less fettling to set it up and costs less.

Id like to see a bike thats twin charged though (thats where you have a supercharger AND a turbo charger) I doubt that would be very streetable, but would be a cool 'cos I can' project!

AD345
31st October 2011, 18:25
Sweeet

People are starting to play with Vics a little more now

Check out what Roland Sands is doing with one in a quest to get to 200mph

His NEXT step is to put a turbo on it...

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Big Dave
3rd November 2011, 16:29
There's a bit of video on my site now

http://www.davidcohen.co

Edbear
3rd November 2011, 16:39
Sigh.... :(

Stylo
8th November 2011, 18:03
Doing a bit for Heavy Duty Magazine (http://www.heavyduty.com.au/) on a Chopperworks (http://www.chopperworks.com.au/) creation.
Haven't ridden a turbo anything before - keen as.
Closest is sat on Zedman's CX.

When I see your headlight comin' in my mirror I'll pull over and let you past mate ....

HenryDorsetCase
8th November 2011, 19:08
thats cool. and not obnoxiously loud either by the sound of it.

One thing: how freakin' tall are you? because the last shot when you stand up seems to have the camera POV in the damn rafters!

Big Dave
8th November 2011, 20:40
thats cool. and not obnoxiously loud either by the sound of it.

One thing: how freakin' tall are you? because the last shot when you stand up seems to have the camera POV in the damn rafters!

195cm in the old currency. Plus boots, plus helmet, plus a little bit for the camera mount - the lens is probably sitting at 205cm when standing.

I prefer the camera mounted on the bike, but there was nowhere to fix it - the bars are like 2" and there were no other mounting points, so on the mellon it went. Shame - cause it gets more wind noise than engine purr.

The Turbo Road King Chopper I rode last week was equally wick-ed and I could mount the camera lower - Watch this space :-)

Edbear
9th November 2011, 06:54
195cm in the old currency. Plus boots, plus helmet, plus a little bit for the camera mount - the lens is probably sitting at 205cm when standing.

I prefer the camera mounted on the bike, but there was nowhere to fix it - the bars are like 2" and there were no other mounting points, so on the mellon it went. Shame - cause it gets more wind noise than engine purr.

The Turbo Road King Chopper I rode last week was equally wick-ed and I could mount the camera lower - Watch this space :-)

We're watching... :soon:

ducatilover
9th November 2011, 07:28
Very neat indeed Dave, was that 145lb/ft I saw..... :niceone:
One question (I have no sound at the moment, so if it's explained, forgive me)
Is it intercooled? I couldn't see one, but there's a funny black cooler-end-tank-esque bit under the fuel tank.
I'd be a wee bit worried if it's non intercooled if you're doing a decent length ride.

I wait for a Turbo Rocket3 video by you now

Big Dave
9th November 2011, 10:42
Yep - intercooler is under the fuel tank.

scumdog
9th November 2011, 20:27
Funny how me XN is not equiped with blow-off valve nor intercooler.

Judging by what is de riguer with the boy-racer set it's a wonder it even moves...

Anyhoo, back on topic...

ducatilover
9th November 2011, 22:56
Yep - intercooler is under the fuel tank.

That's far too cool.
I bet it pulls like Elton J's mantoy.

ducatilover
9th November 2011, 23:07
Funny how me XN is not equiped with blow-off valve nor intercooler.

Judging by what is de riguer with the boy-racer set it's a wonder it even moves...

Anyhoo, back on topic...
Does it have a boost dumping system for when you close the butterfly under boost? Compressor surge does sound cool.

Wait, it's fucked Scummy boy, send it up here.

Jay GTI
10th November 2011, 14:09
Does it have a boost dumping system for when you close the butterfly under boost?

What, you mean like a blow-off valve? :msn-wink:

Most turbo cars have a blow-off/dump valve as standard, just they vent back into the intake and you don't hear them (unless you add a pod filter). Boy racers (and maaaaybe me in a previous incarnation) slap on externally venting dump valves, cos it's worth at least 15% more hp if your car sounds like bus doors opening when you change gear.

WRC and turbo drag cars tend not to use dump valves and I have seen plenty of evidence that dump valves actually don't do anything to reduce lag, or protect the turbo against supposed shockwaves caused by the throttles suddenly being slammed shut...

Anyways, waste-gate chatter is where it's at!

nodrog
10th November 2011, 14:22
thats a flash fucken hairdryer

ducatilover
10th November 2011, 17:13
What, you mean like a blow-off valve? :msn-wink:

Most turbo cars have a blow-off/dump valve as standard, just they vent back into the intake and you don't hear them (unless you add a pod filter). Boy racers (and maaaaybe me in a previous incarnation) slap on externally venting dump valves, cos it's worth at least 15% more hp if your car sounds like bus doors opening when you change gear.

WRC and turbo drag cars tend not to use dump valves and I have seen plenty of evidence that dump valves actually don't do anything to reduce lag, or protect the turbo against supposed shockwaves caused by the throttles suddenly being slammed shut...

Anyways, waste-gate chatter is where it's at!
There are earlier systems than a blow off valve, I am somewhat familiar with the workings of a typical turbo set up :yes:
I've seen a few CT12A turbos die due to compressor surge because of stuck/fucked blow off valves. The shockwaves can [potentially] stop the turbo wheel abruptly, this is not so brilliant for the bearings....
As for lag, no I don't suppose they really help at all, people like to think so, but all you're doing is dropping the pressure between the cold side of the turbo and the butterfly, not really the best anti-lag idea...
Speaking of anti lag, I have a mate running an anti-lag system (not constant, it's not very economical when you do...nor does unburned fuel in the turbo help much)


I've been there with the piiitsssshhhhh phase...that didn't last long thankfully. :D
I'd have a dirty vent-to-atmo BOV on the bike if I turbo it...same goes for the waste gate. Just to be a show off twat. :facepalm: