AMCC Round 2 Pukekohe

[Kiwi Graham]

Hi all,

Round 2 entry forms are out http://www.amcc.org.nz/uploads/richassets/Forms/Pukekohe%20Rnd2%202011%20~%202012.pdf
Things to note,
Tim Gibbs timing will be used so consequently a small additional charge for transponders for those that don't have one is required.

Hyosung cup entries:- Bikes will be closely scrutineered any infringement from the class will not be accepted and you will not be racing. Rest assured someone who knows what they are looking at will be present :yes:

All riders:- numbers were worse than appalling on some bikes at the last round. If your numbers fail to meet MNZ regs you will fail to pass scrutineering. AMCC will have (at a cost to you, should you wish to race)) a selection of numbers and coloured backgrounds available. Should you fail scrutineering these will be available to you which will need to be applied and your bike re-scrutineered to obtain clearance.
In addition please read the regs in regard to bike preparation/presentation, simple issues such as failing to drill and wire sump plugs were spotted last time :facepalm:
Remember time spent in the shed saves time at the circuit.

Gates open at 7am, sign on, scrutineering, gear check in that order.

See you track side peeps :scooter:

[prettybillie]

What's the spectator fee going to be this time? Gotta say that if it is going to cost the four of us that came in one car $80 like it did last round we won't be coming.

[CHOPPA]

What's the spectator fee going to be this time? Gotta say that if it is going to cost the four of us that came in one car $80 like it did last round we won't be coming.

$80!!! How much does it cost to watch Paeroa?

[nodrog]

$80!!! How much does it cost to watch Paeroa?

about that ($20 each) isnt it?

[prettybillie]

Hmmmmm $20 to go watch club racing or $20 to go watch Paeroa......do they really think club racing is the same sort of spectacal as Paeroa??!!! Reality check time.

[Kiwi Graham]

I'm told Puke will be $10 and there will be a price review for HD too ;)

[oyster]

It's a bit rough to dust up the Prolite /Hyosung Cup riders on the day when they can't get proper information on their rules.
1) Where are the Hyosung Cup rules as approved by MNZ as Supplementary rules and publicised clearly with the entry form?
2) The MNZ rules are unchanged since Jan 1st and reading them today it's very clear the proposed changed due for 1st Sept are not in there. How are the riders to prepare their bikes when there are only rumours of a future rule change in an unspecified time frame?

It's not fair on the riders who are penalised for sticked to the letter of MNZ rules while others are working from a vague "old boy" network.

Come on MNZ, get your act together and start by sticking to your own rules. (read the section on "making a rule change")

[CHOPPA]

Does it cost more to hire tracks if your charging a gate fee?

[Billy]

It's a bit rough to dust up the Prolite /Hyosung Cup riders on the day when they can't get proper information on their rules.
1) Where are the Hyosung Cup rules as approved by MNZ as Supplementary rules and publicised clearly with the entry form?
2) The MNZ rules are unchanged since Jan 1st and reading them today it's very clear the proposed changed due for 1st Sept are not in there. How are the riders to prepare their bikes when there are only rumours of a future rule change in an unspecified time frame?

It's not fair on the riders who are penalised for sticked to the letter of MNZ rules while others are working from a vague "old boy" network.

Come on MNZ, get your act together and start by sticking to your own rules. (read the section on "making a rule change")

Yip,Fair comment re the rules supposedly effective 1st of September,There appears to be a miscommunication between the board and the office that we are working on.Those rules are still listed under the proposed rules section.

However,The rules for the Hyosung cup are posted on the Hyosung NZ racing page and clearly dont allow the use of autotunes or the removal of metal from the sidestand bracket,These are the issues that KG is referring to and as I understand it there is to be a mail out to all competitors by the club,There are NO supp regs for this class,Its as per MNZ rulebook

[Kiwi Graham]

Does it cost more to hire tracks if your charging a gate fee?
No mate.

Only restrictions in track hire relate to caterers.

[oyster]

MNZ own rules under "how to change a rule" state changes are effective 1st Jan. So why are they breaking this rule by making it 1st Sept? If there's a reason then they need to change the rule change rules as well...
If the Hyosung Cup is run under Prolite rules then any eligible Prolite bike is allowed. So is this now the case that a Kawasaki can enter and win the the Hyosung Cup? I thought only Hyosungs could enter it, which would require Supp rules to define the modification to the otherwise MNZ class.

[CHOPPA]

Were those cheating bastard removing metal from a side stand bracket!! :gob:

[Mental Trousers]

Were those cheating bastard removing metal from a side stand bracket!! :gob:

They were probably doing it using the race track surface too!!

[Billy]

MNZ own rules under "how to change a rule" state changes are effective 1st Jan. So why are they breaking this rule by making it 1st Sept? If there's a reason then they need to change the rule change rules as well...
If the Hyosung Cup is run under Prolite rules then any eligible Prolite bike is allowed. So is this now the case that a Kawasaki can enter and win the the Hyosung Cup? I thought only Hyosungs could enter it, which would require Supp rules to define the modification to the otherwise MNZ class.

I think you'll find the reason those rules were made effective 1st of September is because the members asked last year for the rule changes to be made asap so they would have plenty of time to implement any changes required,As round 1 of the Nationals 2012 is on the 7th of January,Im sure even you would agree that doesnt leave much time now does it???Of course if you'd prefer we stuck to that,You can contact the Roadrace commission chairman or the board and have it enforced!!!

[Billy]

Were those cheating bastard removing metal from a side stand bracket!! :gob:


They were probably doing it using the race track surface too!!

Trivial as it may seem there's a second a lap to be gained at HD and probably any other track in the country by removing enough metal from the sidestand bracket on the Hyosung,The rules was made for a reason and will be enforced to the word.

[CHOPPA]

Trivial as it may seem there's a second a lap to be gained at HD and probably any other track in the country by removing enough metal from the sidestand bracket on the Hyosung,The rules was made for a reason and will be enforced to the word.

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

[MadDuck]

Hmmmmm $20 to go watch club racing or $20 to go watch Paeroa......do they really think club racing is the same sort of spectacal as Paeroa??!!! Reality check time.

I was pretty gobsmacked by the cost to spectate to be honest but then to be told "No Programmes". I wont be in a hurry to go back.

[Billy]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

Yip,It certainly limits the lean angle severely on lefthanders,

Not sure whether you can buy one if need be,Probably not I would suspect,However,The rules surrounding it are pretty clear and I'm sure you'd get one fabricated or from a wrecker(Come to think of it,Ive got 2 frames hanging up at the lock up if anybody needs one)

[Rick 52]

Yes HD was way over priced ...I hope they get it sorted for next time !

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

[Billy]

Yes HD was way over priced ...I hope they get it sorted for next time !

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

Its the rider that causes the crash,Not the motorcycle or parts there of,The rule was made for a reason,If you want further information contact the roadrace commission chairman.

[CHOPPA]

Its the rider that causes the crash,Not the motorcycle or parts there of,The rule was made for a reason,If you want further information contact the roadrace commission chairman.

I guess if they let people cut them off it would limit the guys that intend to ride there bikes on the road to being 1 second off the pace.

Good practice keeping the bike upright anyways. Try doing it with a bloody big engine hangin out

[Kiwi Graham]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

I'm pretty unclear and totally not up with the play on the Hyosung's, this is why we shall have someone who is clued up on them there next time.
From what I've been told by various people that have ridden them is the side stand bracket can quite easily touch down in the left handers and does get worn down, it is a concern that it could dig in a lift the tyres of the surface causing an accident (rider induced regardless), a safer race is a better race and all that, its why road bikes have fold up foot pegs after all.
The Hyosung guys/gals perhaps should co-operatively write to the commissioner requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather than waiting for it to grind down during the course of events. Following the right 'due process' has got to be better than finding yourself foul of a rule that may have been amended had you done the right thing, it worked for the inclusion of power commanders.

[Billy]

I'm pretty unclear and totally not up with the play on the Hyosung's, this is why we shall have someone who is clued up on them there next time.
From what I've been told by various people that have ridden them is the side stand bracket can quite easily touch down in the left handers and does get worn down, it is a concern that it could dig in a lift the tyres of the surface causing an accident (rider induced regardless), a safer race is a better race and all that, its why road bikes have fold up foot pegs after all.
The Hyosung guys/gals perhaps should co-operatively write to the commissioner requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather than waiting for it to grind down during the course of events. Following the right 'due process' has got to be better than finding yourself foul of a rule that may have been amended had you done the right thing, it worked for the inclusion of power commanders.

Yip,Your right they can dig in and cause some distress,However Choppa has hit the nail on the head as to the reason for them having to stay on,There are a couple of ways around making it easier to ride,The first being to bolt a block of nylon to the bracket so it sits a mm proud,Or try a different line.

The bike my son Paul rode for the Nationals never touched the bracket down once out of 5 meetings all over the country and he still managed to finish 2nd in the Prolite Championship.Write all the letters you want to the commissioner,I doubt that rules gonna change anytime soon,All the letter writing in the world didnt change anybodys mind in regard to the power commanders,There was one commission member that held out on allowing them and we eventually talked him round.

[budda]

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

Riders cause the majority of crashes - maybe we should ban them in the interests of safety ? Dont forget the rules have to cover all eligible bikes, not just one model. The Ninja's drag their stand bracket too,as do a couple of the other potential machines - but good riders get around the issue, just like they used to in the good old days

The Hyosung Cup is a great initiative, The Organisers and Sponsors should give themselves a big pat on the back

[jellywrestler]

requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather . yep and given it's a learner clas what's the odds said learner is a learner with a grinder too and decides to cut the tube out and 'have a go' at welding a piece in etc

best plan is a nylon block as mentioned elsewhere

[jellywrestler]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

would figure if they're broken off the frame would be pretty well munted. The class was designed to have bikes available i'm sure there will be more cosmetically written off bikes around than than ones with buggered frames as a source of a replacement

[Crash 42]

The bracket is a full on part of the frame, and cannot be broken off in a crash (and if it is - I assume that bike shall be destined for a scrapyard; not for back on the track). I have had it down a number of times, and you just get used to where it is and make sure you aren't touching it down on left handers, whether it means a different line or even a slower speed through the turn, everyone SHOULD have it the same, and so therefore you are at no disadvantage. In regards to grinding it off on the track, it would take alot of time, the bracket is not soft. Hopefully Hyosung can bring a good suggestion to those who have cut it off as to how to rectify their now illegal machines - also some forewarning, or maybe a 1 round pass (til round 3) to resolve the issue, because it is not something that you can just fix on the day.

...just my $0.02 as a competitor (With a relatively legal bike :D )

[chrispy121]

so in response to the numbers and to get off the hoyosung thread.
whats is the deal with the numbers.
an r1 with the same size numbers and location as dan staffer piloted this year in the nationals did not receive a qualifying time.
the excuse is the numbers were the wrong size so does this mean dans road race wins on the bernard bike should be overturned?

just asking.

[Billy]

The bracket is a full on part of the frame, and cannot be broken off in a crash (and if it is - I assume that bike shall be destined for a scrapyard; not for back on the track). I have had it down a number of times, and you just get used to where it is and make sure you aren't touching it down on left handers, whether it means a different line or even a slower speed through the turn, everyone SHOULD have it the same, and so therefore you are at no disadvantage. In regards to grinding it off on the track, it would take alot of time, the bracket is not soft. Hopefully Hyosung can bring a good suggestion to those who have cut it off as to how to rectify their now illegal machines - also some forewarning, or maybe a 1 round pass (til round 3) to resolve the issue, because it is not something that you can just fix on the day.

...just my $0.02 as a competitor (With a relatively legal bike :D )


My understanding was the club were going to contact all riders on the entry list,Has this not happened?

A one round pass is unacceptable,A good number if not all of the offenders knew it was illegal too remove parts or all of the bracket,Why not let those chosen few run a turbo for a round or two as well ??? and besides that,Theyve already had a round on an illegal machine!!

Be interested to know how you discovered how hard it is to grind one down hahahaha! The only bits ground down on your bike are the handlebar ends and the rider.

[CHOPPA]

so in response to the numbers and to get off the hoyosung thread.
whats is the deal with the numbers.
an r1 with the same size numbers and location as dan staffer piloted this year in the nationals did not receive a qualifying time.
the excuse is the numbers were the wrong size so does this mean dans road race wins on the bernard bike should be overturned?

just asking.

They will have transponders this time FINALLY

[Kiwi Graham]

They will have transponders this time FINALLY
Transponders only help the timing staff, they dont help the marshalls,spectators or comentator..
Cant comment on Dans numbers but the simple fix is to make sure your numbers comply with the regs. If they dont we will have some that do :)

[Crash 42]

My understanding was the club were going to contact all riders on the entry list,Has this not happened?

A one round pass is unacceptable,A good number if not all of the offenders knew it was illegal too remove parts or all of the bracket,Why not let those chosen few run a turbo for a round or two as well ??? and besides that,Theyve already had a round on an illegal machine!!

Be interested to know how you discovered how hard it is to grind one down hahahaha! The only bits ground down on your bike are the handlebar ends and the rider.

Haha you old bastard... I was just trying a new line...

Fair point on the 1 round pass, just looking for someone to give a good idea on how to rectify it for those who did it. I havent put in my entry yet, so that may be why. A letter from hyosung would probably be more effective - but not my problem.

[Kiwi Graham]

Confirming spectator prices for Pukekohe and Hampton Downs inc the Nationals in March;

Pukekohe:- $10 per adult, under 12 free. Family pass $25 mum, dad & two children. $5 for additional children

Hampton Downs:- $15 per adult under 12’s free. Family pass as above $35 etc.

Hampton Downs Nationals:- $20 per adult under 12’s free. Family pass $45 etc

The first round gate prices were set by HD ticketing but we have since sorted this for future rounds.

Don’t forget if you want all of this for free (even get paid!) and get up close and sometimes personal with the racing, become a marshal and get a front row seat.

Cheers

KG

[prettybillie]

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......The first round gate prices were set by HD ticketing but we have since sorted this for future rounds........

Cheers

KG

This quote is bollocks - you said in an earlier post that the only restrictions in hiring the track was the catering........Good on the club for actually listening to the complaints made, but actually stand up and admit your error rather than trying to lay the blame.

[CHOPPA]

Confirming spectator prices for Pukekohe and Hampton Downs inc the Nationals in March;

Pukekohe:- $10 per adult, under 12 free. Family pass $25 mum, dad & two children. $5 for additional children

Hampton Downs:- $15 per adult under 12’s free. Family pass as above $35 etc.

Hampton Downs Nationals:- $20 per adult under 12’s free. Family pass $45 etc

The first round gate prices were set by HD ticketing but we have since sorted this for future rounds.

Don’t forget if you want all of this for free (even get paid!) and get up close and sometimes personal with the racing, become a marshal and get a front row seat.

Cheers

KG

Well thought out pricing, well done!

[Kiwi Graham]

Err no not bollocks at all, I don’t try and hide anything PB and am always willing to shoulder any responsibility for my actions.

It is completely accurate HD ticketing advertised the gate price even before we had put out the entry form both on their web site and in other advertising so we simply went with it. They are now aware of our pricing and it wont happen again.

The restriction to circuit hire (in answer to Choppers question) is regarding being bound contractually to the circuit for anything in the hire fee. Yes we are, and that is we have to use the circuit caterers. This applies to both Hampton Downs and Pukekohe.

[FROSTY]

Um Guys going on about the sidestand bit. Ya do know that stand on or stand off ain't gonna make the tiniest bit of difference to lap times at Pukie doncha?
Walk the track in your mind and think of a LEFT HAND corner where a 250 prolite is leaning hard enough to drag the bracket.
Maybee just maybee T2 -(ie the corner after Jennian) but I'm struggling to see the line on a 250 thats carrying enough pace there to need serious lean angles.

[Crash 42]

Um Guys going on about the sidestand bit. Ya do know that stand on or stand off ain't gonna make the tiniest bit of difference to lap times at Pukie doncha?
Walk the track in your mind and think of a LEFT HAND corner where a 250 prolite is leaning hard enough to drag the bracket.
Maybee just maybee T2 -(ie the corner after Jennian) but I'm struggling to see the line on a 250 thats carrying enough pace there to need serious lean angles.

...so what you are suggesting is that we only obey the rules if they are applicable at a specific track? :facepalm:

RULES ARE RULES

[FROSTY]

...so what you are suggesting is that we only obey the rules if they are applicable at a specific track? :facepalm:

RULES ARE RULES
Don't be a fucking eejut.--What I'm saying is EXACTLY what I'm saying. No more and no less. Don't put words into my mouth