Riders down all OK. Video (Dec 2011)

[Trojan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrPIEBkFbA

NZ CRAP ROADS

[PirateJafa]

Poor roads across most of NZ is a known factor that any rider should be allowing for.

Glad to see that everyone ended up [relatively] okay though. The first half of the video was a nice watch, made me want to damn the surgeon's instruction and pull the DRZ out for a spin.

[Katman]

Unacceptable road surface my arse.

[superman]

Motorcycling Crashes 101: Today kids we're blaming the road.
Tomorrow, Cagers

[Kickaha]

Regardless of road surface it's got me fucked how two bikes can crash on what looks like a straight section of road

edit: actually I'd like to see a shot from up the road preceeding the "crap road"

Were the two that went down the lead bikes or had others already been across that section of road?

[Bikemad]

holy crap.............glad ya'll on the mend.............what actually happened to involve that many bikes and where is that shite bit of road

[unstuck]

Yep, blame the roads.:facepalm:

[sil3nt]

That looked like a really nasty corner.

I was wondering why it was called a chopper ride without any chopper motorcycles then i saw someone actually got choppered out :facepalm:

Loving the tag "race" on the video.

[Bikemad]

Yep, blame the roads.:facepalm:

not blaming anyone just yet dude.............just want to know where and how it happened first

[unstuck]

not blaming anyone just yet dude.............just want to know where and how it happened first

Comment was aimed at OP.:msn-wink:

[scracha]

Regardless of road surface it's got me fucked how two bikes can crash on what looks like a straight section of road?

Bubba bikers tend to ride REAL close to each other. Road looked a bit sucky. Glad riders are ok.

[jrandom]

NZ CRAP ROADS

Are you avin a laff?

You cunts can't ride.

[paturoa]

Yes - crap road, lots of roads are crappy ..... but why did they crash? Why did 3 go down?

[madkiwi]

When did this happen and how? Looks like a straight road

[jrandom]

why did they crash? Why did 3 go down?

One can only conclude that they were attempting to ride wheel-to-wheel like they saw on Sons of Anarchy, and that there was fail.

[Ender EnZed]

ROAD SURFACE SHOCKING TYPICAL

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[Ender EnZed]

One can only conclude that they were attempting to ride wheel-to-wheel like they saw on Sons of Anarchy, and that there was fail.

Fail? Let's not jump to any unsubstantiated conclusions. You don't know they were trying to stay on the road.

[jrandom]

I did a Scorpio roll-on video a while back, just nowhere in particular on a nothing road out on the edge of town, and got comments from Indonesia on YouTube about how they wished they had such nice roads to ride their Scorpios on.

People who moan about the state of NZ roads need to take a fucking concrete pill.

[paturoa]

One can only conclude that they were attempting to ride wheel-to-wheel like they saw on Sons of Anarchy, and that there was fail.

Yeah I, stopped going on large organised group rides several years ago as that happens all of the time. I'd keep a reasonable distance in front of me and some retard would be only a few meters behind me. Any reaction from me to anything in front and I'd be down.

I then started riding TEC and ended up having shit rides as the binners, were all in front, and I never got to have clean rides.

[Katman]

but why did they crash? Why did 3 go down?

Take one group ride, add a video camera for everyone to play up to and nine times out of ten you'll have the recipe for an accident waiting to happen.

[Bikemad]

bubba bikers..........bwahahahahahahaha....love it

[breakaway]

Can someone explain to me why the road surface is considered to be "SHOCKING"? I'm not seeing it.

[SMOKEU]

I'm just guessing here, but maybe they locked their wheels on a slippery surface (possibly diesel).

[Laava]

slippery surface (possibly diesel).

The ONLY viable excuse.
ATTN NZ moyorcyclists!!! The roads in NZ are not all like black marzipan! There will be irregularities! There will be potholes, esp after rain! There will be pea shingle in places where it may not be glaringly obvious and /or signposted!
If you are riding to the edge of your personal limits and a changing road surface causes you to crash, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!
To blame the road surface is quite frankly an embarrasment!
Not to say I have no sympathy as of course we all make mistakes. Own up to them!
Hope these guys are OK now.

[bluebird]

I rode through there just ahead of those riders, if you had touched the front brakes you would of high-sided, lent over too far to compensate for the cross-wind or opened up the gas your rear wheel would have lost traction, the surface was like the Hampton Downs skid pan when wet. I coasted through it with the speed I had on and kept it straight with the bars not with a lean because of the wind, I saw it coming. A common problem with group riding is looking at the riders in front not the road. But this group who I ride with regularly are experienced, safe, organized and as you can see look out for each other, especially the new riders who are always going to make one small mistake(as you all should know), just this time it was the ultimate wrong place to make it, so unless you were there don't make a judgement.

[Bikemad]

where is this stretch and how long is the slippery bit of road Bluebird?....... and you dont think maybe they were riding a bit close together for the conditions?

[motorbyclist]

it does look pretty slick, but how on earth did so many riders go down? A bit more traction-awareness might have prevented the first domino in this one....

any more details forthcoming?

[motorbyclist]

another thought - did every rider down get injured? you old boys don't bounce like us young'uns do ya? the income replacement on ACC probably made that more expensive that the sum total of every uni accident I've witnessed! (titanium elbows and repeat surgeries included)

[bluebird]

Mangatawhiri, some where...the stretch goes for about 400 metres, you can see it if you know what to look for, there was a lot of surface reflection from the rain, the slippery bit is just a bit more shiney than the rest. I ride this road a bit and that spot is getting worse, in February it will be oozing sticky tar, I was in front of these guys so I didn't see how they were riding, any sudden action with brakes, lean angle or gas would give even a good rider a serious fright in that spot. The regular group of guys all ride with space awareness and consideration, I have never had to ride beyond my abilities to keep up. I think the first rider down would have made a mistake that put them all over the road with no where for the riders behind to go.

[george formby]

No comment on the roads or riders but I did like the camera work.

[bsasuper]

No comment on the roads or riders but I did like the camera work.

Maybe a little less of some of those special effects cross overs, really screws with ya eyes, makes me want to stop watching.

I,ve ridden that road wet too, farmers shit all over it, but if you ride to the conditions its fine.Sounds like a case of "I'll ride as fast as the bike in front".

But what do I know I wasnt there, but I do know how to ride to the conditions, and not copy the person in front.

[Warr]

Good on the Rescue crew. Have just made a donation to the Helicopter guys since they also helped me out once too :facepalm:

https://www.rescue.org.nz/make-a-donation/

[PirateJafa]

it does look pretty slick, but how on earth did so many riders go down? A bit more traction-awareness might have prevented the first domino in this one....

any more details forthcoming?

What about your magical "wheels just fell out" bin on your freshly-painted viffer? :blink:

[Phreak]

Glad to know everyone is relatively okay!

My thoughts; it'd be interesting to find out the exact location of this section of road - I work for a company that works alongside the likes of Fulton Hogan etc. in seal repairs, and I noticed a few of the little white painted X's on the road, that indicate repair work planned on being carried out in the near future. If indeed the surface was sub-par, I'm hoping this accident will speed up any plans for such work (the site project manager legally has to take any incident / injury on the stretch of road into consideration with his resource plan), so the risk of another accident is reduced in the future.

But again, in any case, glad those involved are okay from the sounds of things.

[Brayden]

Why do older bikers complain about ACC levies when shit like this happens

[Fast Eddie]

"drive to the conditions when they change reduce your speed" :D ahaha.. good that everyones ok or the ACC levies might go up even more.

[Grant`]

Shame to hear of anybody coming off there bike for whatever reason it maybe, but it doesn't sound like it is an out of the blue piece bad piece of road as at least one person who has posted that was on the ride knew about it being shite.

So why was that information not passed to the group?

For 3 bikes to all go down together, it begs the question were they not keeping a safe riding distance especially considering road is wet?

[Hopeful Bastard]

Anyone else notice the Camera Man that came with Westpac Flight Crew?? Might have to be watching Rescue One for the next series me thinks....


Anyway, As for the Riders, I hope they all heal Fast and arent in too much pain. Bikes can be Replaced. We cant.

[Grantman_]

Gutting.


No whiney, hypocritical, pre-judgement from this end.

[jrandom]

Gutting.

Yes. Let us together offer internet sympathy. The brotherhood of bikers has been through a traumatic experience.

If you are particularly nice to them, Grantman_, they might be your mates! They have big bikes so they are cool. You could be cool, too, particularly once you've got a few bins under your belt to talk about at pubs.

But first, the sympathy.

[Mom]

Yes - crap road, lots of roads are crappy ..... but why did they crash? Why did 3 go down?

It is always sad when some one drops their pride and joy. I watched that vid with interest, I have ridden with this group and may have even appeared on one of the videos. First thing that I thought was they must have been riding too close together. It is one of the FIRST things that is talked about on any group ride we organise for the learners.


Take one group ride, add a video camera for everyone to play up to and nine times out of ten you'll have the recipe for an accident waiting to happen.


Maybe a bit unfair there. This group regularly ride with a camera filming, there is little by way of ego (unless it is the bling/chrome/shine on the bikes). While it first crossed my mind that may have been a distraction, I dont think that really would have played a BIG part in what happened.



The ONLY viable excuse.
ATTN NZ moyorcyclists!!! The roads in NZ are not all like black marzipan! There will be irregularities! There will be potholes, esp after rain! There will be pea shingle in places where it may not be glaringly obvious and /or signposted!
If you are riding to the edge of your personal limits and a changing road surface causes you to crash, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!
To blame the road surface is quite frankly an embarrasment!
Not to say I have no sympathy as of course we all make mistakes. Own up to them!
Hope these guys are OK now.

Cant say more than this. You have to ride with every sense engaged. That looked like a horrible bit of road to me, not only shiney, but wet to boot. Heaven only knows what went wrong, but I would venture to suggest it might be difficult to regain traction in those conditions if you were indeed riding at the limit of your ability. Finding the limit of your ability may well be the problem here, along with a bit of target fixation from the followers?




Good on the Rescue crew. Have just made a donation to the Helicopter guys since they also helped me out once too :facepalm:

https://www.rescue.org.nz/make-a-donation/

Nice post! I also noticed the emergency crews working so hard. I might just have to do the same.

Ride safe you lot. We are merely skin and bones, no match for the obstacle we can encounter at speed.

Those injured will have lots of time to rethink what went wong. I hope they are recovering well and safely home with their families.

[jellywrestler]

Regardless of road surface it's got me fucked how two bikes can crash on what looks like a straight section of road

edit: actually I'd like to see a shot from up the road preceeding the "crap road"

Were the two that went down the lead bikes or had others already been across that section of road?

count again Kick, there's three.

[jellywrestler]

so unless you were there don't make a judgement. I wasn't there but with your video evidence can make a judgement.
Take a look at how many riders are travelling too close together earlier on, there's a big part of the reason so many bikes went down.You can't keep a good eye on the road, to look for issues like irregular surfaces, when there's a bike ahead that needs attention too, simple as that.

[Grantman_]

Yes. Let us together offer internet sympathy. The brotherhood of bikers has been through a traumatic experience.

If you are particularly nice to them, Grantman_, they might be your mates! They have big bikes so they are cool. You could be cool, too, particularly once you've got a few bins under your belt to talk about at pubs.

But first, the sympathy.

What a laugh.


I'm not remotely attracted to cruisers. I couldn't care less about currying favour. Cool like them someday? Hah, oh boy... how wrong could you possibly be.

[JimO]

Why do older bikers complain about ACC levies when shit like this happens

a mate of mine would have consumed at least 100k in medical costs fixing him after his crash early this year, including chopper ride, makes a few hundie look cheap for a acc levy

[superman]

KB seems to be getting more bitter as Xmas approaches. :laugh:

[Katman]

While it first crossed my mind that may have been a distraction, I dont think that really would have played a BIG part in what happened.


I would suggest that distraction played a very prominent part in this crash.

There was very little else to explain the outcome.

(I'm not buying the 'unacceptable road condition' story).

[hayd3n]

i find the music gay and offensive
and i have noticed its always gay music played in everyone of your videos
even the mormen few stunt crew play decent music:facepalm:

[short-circuit]

i find the music gay and offensive
and i have noticed its always gay music played in everyone of your videos
even the mormen few stunt crew play decent music:facepalm:

Yeah retarded music. Pretty weird video overall. A bit of an embarassment overall really :facepalm:

[kiwifruit]

Oh dear

[MD]

Was this a Rescue chopper appeal ride? Oh the irony.

ps- filming injured riders getting first aid and sticking it on the web seems a bit ghoulish to me. Did they give consent?

[Mom]

KB seems to be getting more bitter as Xmas approaches. :laugh:

No, really it gets more purille. This year is not anywhere near as bad as it gets, yet...

Exams are over now and still it is reasonably quiet :yes:

[short-circuit]

No, really it gets more purille.

Well what do you expect? Quasi pussyed out of his latest PD thread and this looked like the next best thing :corn:

[Teflon]

the chick at 6:17, was she hot?

[munster]

But for work I would've been on that ride. All the best to those down. The video doesn't show how or what happended so I think we should keep our opinions to ourselves and wait for it to come from the horses mouth.

[Katman]

The video doesn't show how or what happended so I think we should keep our opinions to ourselves and wait for it to come from the horses mouth.

Unless, of course, the Biker Code dictates that everyone clams up about it.

[jrandom]

The video doesn't show how or what happended

Yes. But what with all the deadly hazards the group was thrashing its way through, it's no wonder people came croppers. Lordy. Mother Nature can be deadly when combined with inadequate roading infrastructure. It's not really good enough that the government isn't doing anything about this. I think we should start a political party for motorcyclists.

[Grantman_]

But for work I would've been on that ride. All the best to those down. The video doesn't show how or what happended so I think we should keep our opinions to ourselves and wait for it to come from the horses mouth.

It wouldn't matter. Even before this accident little minds were already clearly made up as to apportioning guilt.

[koba]

Can't blame the road surface for the terrible music.

[jrandom]

It wouldn't matter. Even before this accident little minds were already clearly made up as to apportioning guilt.

Personally, I blame the giggling group of elves and garden gnomes that materialised beside the road and poked sticks through the front wheels of three passing bikes before disappearing.

[Laava]

But for work I would've been on that ride. All the best to those down. The video doesn't show how or what happended so I think we should keep our opinions to ourselves and wait for it to come from the horses mouth.

Did you miss the point then? The video appears to have been posted as a complaint about the state of our roads. It has the underline, NZ CRAP ROADS and then has captions in the video stating that the roads surface is unacceptable! Not being judgemental, but if it had been a diesel, or similar, spill I am sure that would have been mentioned. Nobody likes to see a fellow biker get hurt and they look like a good bunch of guys but were they riding to the conditions?

[Grantman_]

Personally, I blame the giggling group of elves and garden gnomes that materialised beside the road and poked sticks through the front wheels of three passing bikes before disappearing.

Yes, yes of course. No other explanation would really make much sense. Looks like all the sense has been used up with this one.

[Old Steve]

Wasn't it a wonderful sight when that rescue helicopter appeared as a dot in the sky.

I'll ride on every helicopter fund raiser that I can. All of those rescue guys walk on water. I wish we never have to have their services, but I'm thankful that they're there when any of us do need them.

[jrandom]

Yes, yes of course. No other explanation would really make much sense.

Well, there's always the possibility that the riders were incompetent.

[Madness]

There's supposed to be a Taniwha living somewhere near Mangatawhiri...

:innocent:

[Oakie]

Holy hell! I'd swap that piece of road for what we've been riding on in Christchurch for the last 15 months any time.

[Grantman_]

Well, there's always the possibility that the riders were incompetent.

Possibly, but one glaring difference between you and I is that I haven't made my mind up.

[short-circuit]

Well, there's always the possibility that the riders were incompetent.

Nah. Definitely elves (skiving off their Christmas duties)

[Brian407]

Crap Roads.... Hmmmm.... Only a bad tradesman blames his tools for the fuckups. I ride on gravel roads on an XJR quite regularly , and they dont come much more Crap than that, and dont have any accidents. Ride to the conditions, and dont climb anybodys exhaust pipe and you'll be fine.

Glad to see the riders are okay but i think it's a cop out to blame the roads.

[riffer]

I'll add my voice to the throng declaring road conditions not to be a major factor here.

This video is a glaring example of why a lot of us simply won't go on group rides unless it's a charity ride well marshalled and at a guaranteed pace.

Sympathies to the riders hurt but I honestly can't see a lot here other than simple rider error.

[KiWiP]

Really glad everyone is ok but....

If it's a country road slow down, if you don't know the road slow down, if it's wet slow down, if it's a variable surface slow down, if you've got a pillion slow down, if your in a group ride slow down, if you don't want to get helicoptered home slow down.

The accident was not due to the surface it was down to how the surface was ridden.

[jasonu]

There's supposed to be a Taniwha living somewhere near Mangatawhiri...

:innocent:

Yeah I knew the maoris had sommat to do with it!
After all they were here first.

[cheshirecat]

I'll add my voice to the throng declaring road conditions not to be a major factor here.

This video is a glaring example of why a lot of us simply won't go on group rides unless it's a charity ride well marshalled and at a guaranteed pace.

Sympathies to the riders hurt but I honestly can't see a lot here other than simple rider error.

Plus one, I too avoid group rides. Time and time again some riders express surprise at the unexpected when this is the norm for riding on public roads. One other factor is todays motorcycles are really very good espescially compared to ones of the 70's, 80's and perhaps even 90's. To those not of these vintages todays bikes may give a false sense of security and even on my vintage '94 I'm constantly reminding myself the wedge of safety is really very thin despite the bike and tyres telling me otherwise.

[nodrog]

I think the Fluro Vests were defective.

[p.dath]

Glad everyone is ok. Not a pleasant video to watch.

[sinfull]

I wasn't there !

If i was there, i would have smoked em, done stand up wheelies through the carnage, spun round and done a stoppy into the downed riders crutch, just to make them all feel better cause they'd see how cool i really am !!!

Thats all .

[5150]

I rode through there just ahead of those riders, if you had touched the front brakes you would of high-sided

How do you highside from too much front brake? :shit:



Well, people forget that HD's only go well in straight line and dont turn or stop that well. But to crash on a straight piece of road??? Unless there was diesel on the road I can't see this being any different to any other piece of tar in NZ:no:

[Paul in NZ]

No matter what happened I'm glad everyone is OK (ish)... Shit happens to good people and none are perfect

[short-circuit]

Glad everyone is ok. Not a pleasant video to watch.

Yes - the effects and music are awful

[caspernz]

Good to hear all downed riders are OK.

Road conditions would be a contributing factor judging by the shiney appearance, but hey I wasn't there...

All in all, I don't partake in large group rides 'cause the safety buffer gets shrunk. Had a tap from behind by a tailgater with more ambition than talent during a close call on a large group ride. So now I only ride with a few mates whose riding ability I trust.

[Dodgy]

Send them back to riding GN250s until they learn how to ride in a straight line without falling off?

[Morcs]

Hi Vis vests dont make you a safe rider if you cant ride.

Noobs.

[Gremlin]

Hi Vis vests dont make you a safe rider if you cant ride.

Noobs.
Now you listen here, we'll have none of that logical stuff here with the NZ government. They're telling us it makes us safer, so surely they know far more than us? :confused:

[placidfemme]

Personally, I blame the giggling group of elves and garden gnomes that materialised beside the road and poked sticks through the front wheels of three passing bikes before disappearing.

Those little bastards... they are everywhere :shifty:

[riffer]

Now you listen here, we'll have none of that logical stuff here with the NZ government. They're telling us it makes us safer, so surely they know far more than us? :confused:

Indeed. Statistical analysis by minds better than us insist that there would have been 37% less crashes if they'd just worn high viz vests on that ride.

[Swoop]

Kopu Chopper Ride 2011.

Is this referring to the helicopter ride? Can someone clarify please.


There's supposed to be a Taniwha living somewhere near Mangatawhiri...
The cheque has cleared. It lives there no more.

count again Kick, there's three.
Why does there appear to be four cruisers on the tow truck?

[ital916]

Kopu Chopper Ride 2011.

Is this referring to the helicopter ride? Can someone clarify please.


The cheque has cleared. It lives there no more.

Why does there appear to be four cruisers on the tow truck?

Because you have to follow the crowd to be cool...duh! If everybody else is crashing you gotta do it too otherwise you are lame.

[Brian d marge]

Ive sussed it , the road was swimming in diesel,
Glad everyone was ok ,
but HOW the F can one bike go tits up , let alone 2?? on a straight bit of road ??

Ya got me beat on that one

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Now these are road conditions

http://gizmodo.com/5869145/this-crazy-near+accident-is-a-chilling-reminder-of-how-life-can-end-at-any-time


Dont worry not one of those shock horror ones. but definitely a OMG,,,,,

Stephen

[Berries]

That reminds me, does anyone know if they have a demolition derby on at the Green Island Raceway over the holidays?

[98tls]

Take one group ride, add a video camera for everyone to play up to and nine times out of ten you'll have the recipe for an accident waiting to happen.

Nail on head,looks like a scene from any poker ride.Strangely enough from my experience the group rides ive bothered to go on involving cruiser etc bikes are far worse than riding with guys on so called sports bikes.Chuck in a few pub stops and it just gets worse.Not that these guys needed a pub jesus a wet straight road was enough to fuck them up.Glad there ok but fuck me.:facepalm:

[_Shrek_]

I think the first rider down would have made a mistake that put them all over the road with no where for the riders behind to go.

which to me, meant they were too close for the conditions & the experience of pack riding.... :facepalm: glad to hear that all riders are ok & on the mend

[Str8 Jacket]

Street Cred.

That's what it's all about ya'll!

[Hitcher]

Anyone else notice the Camera Man that came with Westpac Flight Crew?

Yes. That and the fact that nicely framed images of emergency services vehicles arriving, as well as explicit footage was taken of "injuries" set my Bogus Alarm off. Very loudly. I couldn't see Robyn Malcolm anywhere though.

[BMWST?]

I think the Fluro Vests were defective.

:laugh: :laugh:

[FJRider]

Yes. That and the fact that nicely framed images of emergency services vehicles arriving, as well as explicit footage was taken of "injuries" set my Bogus Alarm off. Very loudly. I couldn't see Robyn Malcolm anywhere though.

sssssshh ... you'll ruin the troll thread .... :laugh:

[KiWiP]

Now these are road conditions

http://gizmodo.com/5869145/this-crazy-near+accident-is-a-chilling-reminder-of-how-life-can-end-at-any-time


Dont worry not one of those shock horror ones. but definitely a OMG,,,,,

Stephen

I speak a bit of Russian and the translation of what they said is roughly

#1: Oy yoi yoi yoi yoi!

#2: We have to stop at the next services I've completely shat myself

#1: No we're driving straight on to the next town.

#2: Oh please god no, why? I'm sitting in a puddle here.

#1: We need to get to a hospital. I shat myself so hard I've prolapsed my entire colon:

Uncomfortable silence in car broken only by soft squishey sounds

[Motu]

Yes. That and the fact that nicely framed images of emergency services vehicles arriving, as well as explicit footage was taken of "injuries" set my Bogus Alarm off. Very loudly.

I noticed that too - reminded me very much of the recent Navy exercise at Whangaparoa...actors as casualites,such care and attention of the injured. That chick in the short grey dress and white shoes was an anomaly....make up girl caught in the frame?

[Brett]

I rode through there just ahead of those riders, if you had touched the front brakes you would of high-sided, lent over too far to compensate for the cross-wind or opened up the gas your rear wheel would have lost traction, the surface was like the Hampton Downs skid pan when wet. I coasted through it with the speed I had on and kept it straight with the bars not with a lean because of the wind, I saw it coming. A common problem with group riding is looking at the riders in front not the road. But this group who I ride with regularly are experienced, safe, organized and as you can see look out for each other, especially the new riders who are always going to make one small mistake(as you all should know), just this time it was the ultimate wrong place to make it, so unless you were there don't make a judgement.

touching front brakes = high side? Rather unusual...usually ends in low side when the front wheel locks.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, plenty of places in the rain that are slippery as a nipple. I recall one ride out to Raglan where it started raining and as I was cruising through a right hand sweeper (100-110kph MAX) in 6th gear on a GSXR 600, with gentle power roll on out of the corner, the rear suddenly spun up and stepped out of line. Had the front get twitchy on occasion too. Hazards of riding, same as hydroplaning in a car. Learn to handle it, ride to the conditions and give yourself exposure to the "unexpected" via such things as trackdays and the shock when it happens on the road is considerably reduced.

EDIT - this scenario reminds me of my last big group ride (last and final...) where 3 (might have been 4) newbie riders on a 250cc learners ride that I was helping with decided to try and keep up with those in front of them despite having been told to ride their own ride, even if that meant pootling along at 70kph. The result was 3 (or 4) new riders target fixating one after the other on the same corner and ending up in a ditch. they got away very luckily with scratches and bruises, however our ride wouldn't have been ruined and their bikes would have still been nice and shiny had they just taken it at their own pace.
Other than the odd run in with diesel on a wet road or a wet manhole cover etc. the only close calls I have had have been for a) riding outside my ability (trying to keep up with more talented riders...especially when I was on a 250) or b) not paying adequate attention. Rider error is more often than not a factor.

[Brayden]

So many lols in this thread would read again

[R6_kid]

I think I just sharted. Things are getting slippery, better slow down.

[Berries]

That and the fact that nicely framed images of emergency services vehicles arriving, as well as explicit footage was taken of "injuries" set my Bogus Alarm off. Very loudly.
Surely if it was a professional job they would have proof read the caption at 3:25.

[sinfull]

Now we have conspiracy theorists hahaha

No i don't think he would be a pro making an "advert" as such, seen a couple of this guys vids through FB now and though his editing is good, (perhaps a little OTT with the film clip rolls), great camera"s" etc, i'd say that's just how he rolls and made a bit of a blooper putting his mates suffering up for all to see !!

Put money on the fact they're all running similar tyres though, thats one thing i've noticed being in a "group of mates" environment does to riders, the old, these are the shiz bro, affordable and they just don't let go senario

That and the fact 2 or maybe 3 of them went with the I'll try to stop trick instead of taking evasive action !

Yeah i group ride, but prefer it to be with guys i know and know their riding habits ! Yet to learn if any of the boys i ride with might panic in a situation like this or try to flick the bike through the mess, cause the shit just aint happened !!

[Blackbird]

"NZ Crap Roads" = time for some situational awareness refresher coaching. Enough said.

[ckai]

So I've just read the 4 pages of bullocks (likely more for the rest of you). Shit some of you lot need to check your tampons (sorry to all the ladies out there). Sure the "crap road surface" comment is an interesting one but personally, rubbishing the riders doesn't actually get the information everyone seems to be wanting.

To the OP, it does seem really weird that the surface is that slippery, on the straight, in which any little movement on the bike with cause an off. We have some dodgy surfaces around the Waikato caused by serious tar bleed and these are on straights. I've had my rear and front moving during normal riding but never been near to falling off. We have a slippery surface on a main road that gets bad surface flooding and cross-winds on a section of corners.

If it's that slippery I'd imagine cars would have issues as well. I'd really love to know exactly what happened. Pity the video doesn't have the all important part.

Personally, I'm not critiquing, I'm just trying to understand what went wrong (maybe even learn something in the process)

On another note, that's a nasty wrist injury that dude had...and the music wasn't that bad :p

[Spearfish]

The ONLY viable excuse.
ATTN NZ moyorcyclists!!! The roads in NZ are not all like black marzipan! There will be irregularities! There will be potholes, esp after rain! There will be pea shingle in places where it may not be glaringly obvious and /or signposted!
If you are riding to the edge of your personal limits and a changing road surface causes you to crash, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!
To blame the road surface is quite frankly an embarrassment!
Not to say I have no sympathy as of course we all make mistakes. Own up to them!
Hope these guys are OK now.

I have just finished the graduated licence system doing the bare minimum to pass so I'm qualified to say your wrong...:facepalm:
We do have black spots and compulsory crash zones in nz...

seriously though
No matter what the reasons are for the crash its still hard to watch the result.

[Paul in NZ]

And the next time I'm drowning at Piha and that camera guys out there I'll know for sure I'm not really drowning...

Hang on - that might actually be true though...

[FJRider]

And the next time I'm drowning at Piha and that camera guys out there I'll know for sure I'm not really drowning...

Hang on - that might actually be true though...

Let us know how that turns out ... :innocent:

[FJRider]

seriously though
No matter what the reasons are for the crash its still hard to watch the result.

If you are fully licenced ... do what a lot of others do ... and dont watch. Just bury your head in the sand ...

If you do watch ... remember it ... as one day ... the blood on the road could be yours.

[ital916]

A couple cheap, late model, lightly damaged cruisers for sale coming up :laugh:

[Madness]

No matter what the reasons are for the crash its still hard to watch the result.

Try turning the sound off <_<

[GREY]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

[Ender EnZed]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

^^^This is fucking gold. I hope it's legit.

:clap:

[sil3nt]

jrandom if they come after you just hide on a straight piece of road. They will never get yah :shifty:

[ital916]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

Cock, shit, ejaculated and "asshole" in one post...are you hiding something in your closet grey. :laugh:

[kiwifruit]

Tag: smash him bro

[FJRider]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

Interesting FIRST post ... I see by your Bling indicator ... you aren't making friends .... funny that ... :yawn:

[Ender EnZed]

Cock, shit, ejaculated and "asshole" in one post...are you hiding something in your closet grey. :laugh:

It seems he only likes distinctive assholes.

[McJim]

Interesting FIRST post ... I see by your Bling indicator ... you aren't making friends .... funny that ... :yawn:

'e doesn't need friends. 'es got a car wiv two wheels.:scooter:

[FJRider]

'e doesn't need friends. 'es got a car wiv two wheels.:scooter:

honda riders eh ... his comments/interests seem to indicate such ...

[_Shrek_]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

:sherlock: so you were there then GREY how about telling us how 3 :ride: binned & why?

[riffer]

:sherlock: so you were there then GREY how about telling us how 3 :ride: binned & why?

Had to be that taniwha jumped up and bit 'em.

[koba]

Personally, I'm not critiquing, I'm just trying to understand what went wrong (maybe even learn something in the process)



Bunch of cruiser riders went out for a ride.

3 fell off.

Someone made a video with absolutely terrible sound, blamed the road and posted it on KB.

A bunch of people posted their opinions on the thread. Some people got upset, especially some Goldwing rider.

Following now?

[sinfull]

Hey jrandom.I think its time for you to take your hand of your cock. As you where not there.I see no point in your concealed bull shit.Thank you for your normality ejaculated crap. And yes you are a nondescript ass hole.

Wow well it took a bit to get you to post once in the last year or so, ya been lurkin huh ? I can tell ya don't like random lol, he didn't actually say much more than most on this thread, so one can only assume (ass out of u and me), that you don't like what he posts elsewhere ? Perhaps it's because he's quite literate ?
It is unfortunate that you have left yourself wide open to be torn to shreds with your use of expletives !

But regardless How're ya mates ?

[willytheekid]

:corn: :love:in this thread...:corn:

If they think THAT road is dangerous...for there sake...I hope they don't come down to ChCH...it would be a massacre! :killingme....:innocent:

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Whoops/Motorcycle_Pileup.jpg
WELCOME TO CHRISTCHURCH!

Ride safe over the holiday break everyone...and have a great x-mas & new year ;)

[ckai]

Bunch of cruiser riders went out for a ride.

3 fell off.

Someone made a video with absolutely terrible sound, blamed the road and posted it on KB.

A bunch of people posted their opinions on the thread. Some people got upset, especially some Goldwing rider.

Following now?


I thought you were gonna make up a rhyme along the lines of "their were 3 in the bed..." :)

[Trade_nancy]

Yikes,..there's some tough loving goin on in the forum!

[Paul in NZ]

Yikes,..there's some tough loving goin on in the forum!


Yup - some of these folks could get angry at a banana for being yellow.

BUT - to be fair, blaming the road is sometimes a bit like a car driver saying 'sorry mate I didnt see you' isnt it.

[cheshirecat]

Yup - some of these folks could get angry at a banana for being yellow.

BUT - to be fair, blaming the road is sometimes a bit like a car driver saying 'sorry mate I didnt see you' isnt it.
Especially when its straight

[Paul in NZ]

Especially when its straight

Do they make gay ones?

[StoneY]

Do they make gay ones?

More like bi-sexual?
Caters for everyone................

[Brian d marge]

:corn: :love:in this thread...:corn:

If they think THAT road is dangerous...for there sake...I hope they don't come down to ChCH...it would be a massacre! :killingme....:innocent:

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Whoops/Motorcycle_Pileup.jpg
WELCOME TO CHRISTCHURCH!

Ride safe over the holiday break everyone...and have a great x-mas & new year ;)


Legendary fail , that one ....

it came out on video .

Stephen

[Trojan]

Hi everyone nice to come back after a few days and see all the informed opinions of the expert riders across KB who more than likely live at home with their Mums and hide behind key boards... love to catch up with you all and have a hug!

I'm the old gay camera man who shot the thrown together vid of the day events and happy to say not my best work but got the result in the end and thanks so much for all the views.

I was there though arrived just after the boys went off!

Here are some of the facts from what I saw first hand and then followed up with a chat to the last rider down on the day.

1) There is a corner I didn't film it as the action at that time was all after the bend.
2) What you see in the video is after the right hander that drops into a small dip towards the slick patch of roading.
3) First rider down was a sport bike rider who had just purchased a new M90 cruiser (couple months on it) and from what I have been told tried to correct it once, twice by third time high sided and down the road he went with his wife. (they are both ok)
4) Second rider on a sport bike went to dodge first man down hit slick gone. Bike end over end down road. (he walked away ok)
5) Third rider in some way back went to dodge people and bikes went down too on same slick. (damaged wrist still in hospital in good spirits though) Side note speed was not a factor all riders were well under speed limit. Will concede 2 riders may have been close I can't confirm this. There were witness that gave statements to police regarding behavior and speed this was not a factor in the accident.
6) Time was 11am ish in the morning there where no pub stops an no drinking (only coffee and the gay camera man had Mocca)
7) This group of riders have completed about 110 group rides with cameras filming most of these group ride days (only two incidents of riders down during this time both on video and posted)
8) On the ride was a Gentleman from NZ Transport Agency... and the accident was report through his Head Office and the corner has been resealed and addressed today. (thanks for that nice work) To quote this Manager Of Transport we were all lucky on this day!
9) All riders down are on the way to great recovery bar one who will have Christmas in hospital.
10) Only months before hand a SPORT BIKE rider had come off on the same bend in the dry!! The locals plus that rider had tried to have the road addressed then.
11) The Police and the Rescue crew on the day where simply awesome and had been to this place on more than one occasion which has involved both cars and bikes.
12) This frail old camera man would love to meet any of the expert riders at the castle on a day that suits you so I can learn from your wisdom and vast knowledge on how to handle this type of road and bend with your feedback which would help me develop into a better rider and maybe one day be able to aspire to your standard of awesomeness.
13) Can't wait to see the flurry of response from all the mummies boys hiding behind their key boards?
14) Though not raining at the time of the off the road was wet and the road conditions slick...yet the burn factor for the day was 11 mins.
15) My opion the road was crappy hence it got addressed and more importantly got fixed.
16) Finally happy to take any music suggestion one may have for future videos I film where bikes go down that I may be on.
17) If there is aything constructive you would like me to reply to I will endeavour to do so.


Everyone be safe over Christmas I may pop back in the New Year and see if this thread can hit the 10,000 mark.

Last plug this was the EQ ride I shot earlier this year.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderBeachNZ?feature=mhum#p/a/u/2/_4feH98LuRQ

[Madness]

17) If there is aything constructive you would like me to reply to I will endeavour to do so.

Did you see any signs of a Taniwha?

[Grantman_]

Don't sweat it Trojan. Most of us look at the comments in threads like this and think "good grief".

[Ender EnZed]

17) If there is aything constructive you would like me to reply to I will endeavour to do so.


Could you find the exact spot on Google Maps and post a link to it?

[dangerous]

1st of all, man that music track on the vid is crap... serious ;)


Regardless of road surface it's got me fucked how two bikes can crash on what looks like a straight section of road

edit: actually I'd like to see a shot from up the road preceeding the "crap road"

Were the two that went down the lead bikes or had others already been across that section of road?
at least 3 bikes... and I agree all the way, road looks normal, road seems straight, seems like a case of following and or passing to close, basicly shit house riding ie: riding beyond ones capability and or the bikes... hey what do I know but to blame the road is simiply a piss poor excuse. :wacko:

edit: fuck just read page one, yet theres 10 pages LOL

[FJRider]

For what purpose was the video posted in the first place, was it a "what NOT to do" one ... ??? or just a few moments of "fame" for a few. The "not speeding" comment made me laugh ... as they were going too fast for the conditions (otherwise they wouldn't have crashed) and they couldn't get out of each others way. Inexperience on the bike being ridden was one off, following too closely ... a second ... The cause of the THIRD off ... ???

The video will (should)be a must see for anybody organising (or thinking of organising) a GROUP ride ...

[FJRider]

Could you find the exact spot on Google Maps and post a link to it?

It's called AUCKLAND (some maps show it) ... avoid it if you can ...

[McJim]

5) Third rider in some way back went to dodge people and bikes went down too on same slick. (damaged wrist still in hospital in good spirits though) Side note speed was not a factor all riders were well under speed limit. Will concede 2 riders may have been close I can't confirm this. There were witness that gave statements to police regarding behavior and speed this was not a factor in the accident.

Speed limit is not a recommended velocity but merely the speed at which legal action can be taken should you exceed it. Clearly the speed at which the bend was executed in this instance was not commensurate with the traction coefficient of the surface. The speed was too high for the conditions even though it may have been below the enforceable speed limit. I'm saying this nicely because Katman will be along in a moment to say it nastily.

[Trojan]

Speed limit is not a recommended velocity but merely the speed at which legal action can be taken should you exceed it. Clearly the speed at which the bend was executed in this instance was not commensurate with the traction coefficient of the surface. The speed was too high for the conditions even though it may have been below the enforceable speed limit. I'm saying this nicely because Katman will be along in a moment to say it nastily.


Nice couldn't have said that if I tried bro! as for Katman hes ok just miss understood bless him.

[kiwifruit]

12) This frail old camera man would love to meet any of the expert riders at the castle on a day that suits you so I can learn from your wisdom and vast knowledge on how to handle this type of road and bend with your feedback which would help me develop into a better rider and maybe one day be able to aspire to your standard of awesomeness.


Where is the castle?

[McJim]

Nice couldn't have said that if I tried bro! as for Katman hes ok just miss understood bless him.

Hahaha! GOLD! We could call him "Little Miss Understood". What a fantastic euphemism!

[Grantman_]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...

As you can see, kiwibiker is full of little angel bikers who ride perfectly all the time and thus have the moral high ground to criticise without being there or seeing it unfold.

[FJRider]

Nice couldn't have said that if I tried bro! as for Katman hes ok just miss understood bless him.

I don't believe Katman is missunderstood. We all know EXACTlY what he is saying ... and WHY.

Most just wont admit ... he may be right. Or close to the truth at least ...

[Blackbird]

I don't believe Katman is missunderstood. We all know EXACTly what he is saying ... and WHY.

Most just wont admit ... he may be right. Or close to the truth at least ...

Abso-bloody-lutely!

[McJim]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...

As you can see, kiwibiker is full of little angel bikers who ride perfectly all the time and thus have the moral high ground to criticise without being there or seeing it unfold.

Dude, I ride a bicycle. I'd probably have be doing about 40kph so yeah, I'd have been 100% fine.:Pokey:

[FJRider]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...

Auckland doesn't have the monopoly on crap roads ... but they hog (excuse the pun) the repair funding for most of those they do have ... our crap roads dont get repaired as quickly ...

And whose bright idea was to organise a large group ride over crap roads ... ???


As you can see, kiwibiker is full of little angel bikers who ride perfectly all the time and thus have the moral high ground to criticise without being there or seeing it unfold.

We didn't feature in the ditch in a vid (well not lately)


So what WAS the reason the video got posted ... ???

[sinfull]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...

As you can see, kiwibiker is full of little angel bikers who ride perfectly all the time and thus have the moral high ground to criticise without being there or seeing it unfold.What a crock !


Pffft, if i had a licence, why.... i would ... i would.... come down (or is it up?) and show ya... by crikey ....i'd show ya...... but right now...... i'm gonna ... gonna sit out the next 6 weeks and keeboard warri ya !

[9rider]

This thread is more entertaining than the night at Show Girls when one of the punters jumped in the pool with the girls. I like your work team.:2thumbsup

[Katman]

It will be interesting to see how the tv programme that the camera was there for portrays the event.

We can do without the bad press.

[jrandom]

And we all know that had it been any one of us

Who is this 'us', white man?

[Laava]

This thread is more entertaining than the night at Show Girls when one of the punters jumped in the pool with the girls. I like your work team.:2thumbsup

Thanks, that was me. I was pretending to be a shark and I got a good kicking in the egg sac!

[Grant`]

Thanks, that was me. I was pretending to be a shark and I got a good kicking in the egg sac!

Shark jumping in the pool with some Piranhas?

[FJRider]

This thread is more entertaining than the night at Show Girls when one of the punters jumped in the pool with the girls. I like your work team.:2thumbsup

It would have been funnier ... but most of the girls were away doing a group motorbike ride at the time ...

[nosebleed]

It's called AUCKLAND (some maps show it) ... avoid it if you can ...


Auckland doesn't have the monopoly on crap roads ... but they hog (excuse the pun) the repair funding for most of those they do have ... our crap roads dont get repaired as quickly ...

And whose bright idea was to organise a large group ride over crap roads ... ???



We didn't feature in the ditch in a vid (well not lately)


So what WAS the reason the video got posted ... ???

Yawn.
I think you'll find Mangatawhiri is in the Waikato, so what thats got to do with Auckland will need clarification.

And while you're on your "xenophobic" rant, remind us all which island with a population base equivalent to the North Shore has needed $1.7b of taxpayer money to bail out a Madoffian finance company, bled the EQC dry - requiring a levy increase on ALL homeowners, has required the govt. to guarantee at least one insurance co. and now needs further bailing (pun maybe intended) because of flooding in the upper regions.

People in glass houses and all that.

[Berries]

I think you'll find Mangatawhiri is in the Waikato, so what thats got to do with Auckland will need clarification.
It's all north of Kerry Kerry isn't it?


And apologies for the earthquakes and flooding, it won't happen again.

[dangerous]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...

As you can see, kiwibiker is full of little angel bikers who ride perfectly all the time and thus have the moral high ground to criticise without being there or seeing it unfold.
what a compleat bulshit post, mate this could happen to evey one and all of us... however its unlikely to for those that ride to the conditions not bunched up and can handle there bikes acordingly. as below.



For what purpose was the video posted in the first place, was it a "what NOT to do" one ... ??? or just a few moments of "fame" for a few. The "not speeding" comment made me laugh ... as they were going too fast for the conditions (otherwise they wouldn't have crashed) and they couldn't get out of each others way. Inexperience on the bike being ridden was one off, following too closely ... a second ... The cause of the THIRD off ... ???

The video will (should)be a must see for anybody organising (or thinking of organising) a GROUP ride ...
I would have to 'asume' (I know which we shouldnt) you are right on the head of the nail

[StoneY]

Having organised many group rides ranging from a dozen to several hundred participants, I want to know why the camera bike rider thinks its fine for him to roam the pack endangering every other rider??

His presence and the fact every sing rider looks at him frequently is the main contributor to the 'possibility' of a pile up - and that while being MY opinion, is also a fact.

Its one thing to have a helmet cam, or even a passenger with a hand held but add a bike roaming through the group, screwing all the following distances, closing down escape routes... recipe for disaster.

There was nothing wrong with the road.

[Spearfish]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...




If I was doing what they were doing with what they were doing it with, then I would have ended doing what they did when they did it.

But I don't so I won't.

[nosebleed]

It's all north of Kerry Kerry isn't it?


And apologies for the earthquakes and flooding, it won't happen again.

Toe paw.

Blame for the natural disasters wasn't my point. It was about a small country with limited resources, and those with the greatest need having priority.
The public have no control over how those resources are allocated.

[Grantman_]

Who is this 'us', white man?

Anyone who can ride their motorcycle at road-going speed. Guess that excludes some.

[Grantman_]

what a compleat bulshit post, mate this could happen to evey one and all of us... however its unlikely to for those that ride to the conditions not bunched up and can handle there bikes acordingly. as below.

"Unlikely" doesn't cut it Mr. Perfect. You weren't there, but seeing as you are so certain you would have aced this scenario, which you are speculating about because you didn't see or experience it, I guess we can take your word for it.

[Paul in NZ]

So really ONE bike went down. A bike that was essentially unfamiliar to the rider and of a different type than hes been used to and the other two were caught up in the chaos? Surely thats significant????? If that first bike that went down was the first bike in the pack then you might have a case for the road but if its not then while the road is a contributing factor its not really the cause.

No - I'm not turning into Katman (bless him) and my motivation is a little different but if we value our past time we need to keep it real.

[munster]

Having organised many group rides ranging from a dozen to several hundred participants, I want to know why the camera bike rider thinks its fine for him to roam the pack endangering every other rider??

His presence and the fact every sing rider looks at him frequently is the main contributor to the 'possibility' of a pile up - and that while being MY opinion, is also a fact.

Its one thing to have a helmet cam, or even a passenger with a hand held but add a bike roaming through the group, screwing all the following distances, closing down escape routes... recipe for disaster.

There was nothing wrong with the road.

Having been on rides before with this camera man, I can assure you he is no danger. His presence (and that of other supporting camera crew) is well briefed to all riders before hand.

[_Shrek_]

Having been on rides before with this camera man, I can assure you he is no danger. His presence (and that of other supporting camera crew) is well briefed to all riders before hand.

so what happened then? & you can't blame the road

[willytheekid]

so what happened then? & you can't blame the road

Apparently it was ALL due to sportbikes...sportbikes!...sportbikes!!

...:corn:

ps...can the OP's NZTA friend get our roads fix as well? (just the ones that have had multiple fatalities would be nice :yes:...or do they only do that for Auckland roads...or when there mates ask?)

[pc220]

Apparently it was ALL due to sportbikes...sportbikes!...sportbikes!!

...:corn:

ps...can the OP's NZTA friend get our roads fix as well? (just the ones that have had multiple fatalities would be nice :yes:...or do they only do that for Auckland roads...or when there mates ask?)

ah ha I get it now. The first one binned because he wasnt on a sports bike when he hit a gay bannana, the second because he was on a sports bike(if a Bandit qualifies as a sportsbike), and the third binned trying the dodge those that had binned their shoulda been on a sportsbike bike and sports bike. So it would seem the third bike is well justified blaming sportsbikes for his bin. I conclude that sports bikes are totally at fault and no blame should whatsoever should rest with the individual riders.:facepalm:




PT

[Paul in NZ]

ah ha I get it now. The first one binned because he wasnt on a sports bike, the second because he was on a sports bike(if a Bandit qualifies as a sportsbike), and the third binned trying the dodge those that had binned their shoulda been on a sportsbike bike and sports bike. So it would seem the third bike is well justified blaming sportsbikes for his bin. I conclude that sports bikes are totally at fault and no blame should whatsoever should rest with the individual riders.:facepalm:




PT

You forgot to factor in the gay banana

[nodrog]

"Unlikely" doesn't cut it Mr. Perfect. You weren't there, but seeing as you are so certain you would have aced this scenario, which you are speculating about because you didn't see or experience it, I guess we can take your word for it.

There is nothing unusually different about that piece of road, compared to every other piece of road that is not designated as a motorway.

The riders failed all by themselves.

And yes, I was there.

[munster]

so what happened then? & you can't blame the road

No idea, I wasn't on this ride and am not going to speculate. I can only comment on previous rides that have had no issues.

He says himself, he wasn't there & didn't see it, he got there after the fact. Not sure how his camera work can be a causative factor if he didn't turn up till after the crash.

[pc220]

You forgot to factor in the gay banana

Very true , fixed that.:killingme

[Elvis]

Firstly, I was not there at the accident at all. I am not posting this to receive a whole lot of abuse or fame, just the facts.

It is human nature when you fuck up, you either learn and take the blame or blame someone else!
Just all remember that we don't go out on the road to have an accident, but we can take measures that can tip the balance in our favour. I have been riding NZ roads for over 40 years, and have come across some pretty shocking roads. When you ride it is dangerours, I as much as anyone know this from a serious bike accident which I can still feel after 30 years.

All you guys out there, remember this,

"If I arse up and come off, I was the one who put the bike there in the first place". I have also come off in conditions like this, It was my fault for not riding to the conditions and no one else to blame.

I feel for the riders that have come off, it is not nice to see another brother hurt, on his pride and joy smashed up.

Please everyone, stop this shit from happening again, and learn from it, and be man enough to not lay any blame.

NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST A BIT MORE CAREFULL

[Paul in NZ]

Firstly, I was not there at the accident at all. I am not posting this to receive a whole lot of abuse or fame, just the facts.

It is human nature when you fuck up, to either learn and take the blame or blame someone else!
Just all remember that we don't go out on the road to have an accident, but we can take measures that can tip the balance in our favour. I have been riding NZ roads for over 40 years, and have come across some pretty shocking roads. When you ride it is dangerours, I as much as anyone know this from a serious bike accident which I can still feel after 30 years.

All you guys out there, remember this,

"If I arse up and come off, I was the one who put the bike there in the first place". I have also come off in conditions like this, It was my fault for not riding to the conditions and no one else to blame.

I feel for the riders that have come off, it is not nice to see another brother hurt, on his pride and joy smashed up.

Please everyone, stop this shit from happening again, and learn from it, and be man enough to not lay any blame.

NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST A BIT MORE CAREFULL

Elvis is in da house.....

Good post....

[Spearfish]

Elvis is in da house.....

Good post....

Yeah, I thought so to.

[Top Cat]

Amen to that....well said Elvis.

[FJRider]

It will be interesting to see how the tv programme that the camera was there for portrays the event.

We can do without the bad press.

The rescue programme seldom would say more than multiple motorcycle accident ... and give Nick Smith another pat on the back ... for the well justified levy increases. His case seems well proved ...

SCU on the other hand ... but this one wont rate as a "serious" accident. A few broken bones ... a little lost blood, a few bent cruisers and a bent sports bike. Wait ... this COULD be serious ... ;)

[Kiwifire72]

Of the Mangatangi Volunteer Fire Brigade, St John's Ambulance and West Pac Rescue Helicopter Trust that I know personally for their assistance at this accident.
I was not part of the ride but after viewing video I knew that all those injured were in safe and capable hands.
Accidents happen I know I have been too hundreds in that same area in my 21 yrs in the Fire service.
Heal well and fast to those who were injured :)

[jasonu]

Yawn.
I think you'll find Mangatawhiri is in the Waikato, so what thats got to do with Auckland will need clarification.

And while you're on your "xenophobic" rant, remind us all which island with a population base equivalent to the North Shore has needed $1.7b of taxpayer money to bail out a Madoffian finance company, bled the EQC dry - requiring a levy increase on ALL homeowners, has required the govt. to guarantee at least one insurance co. and now needs further bailing (pun maybe intended) because of flooding in the upper regions.

People in glass houses and all that.

HAHAHAHA Best response I have seen for a long time!

[jasonu]

the second because he was on a sports bike(if a Bandit qualifies as a sportsbike),
PT

I was wondering which bike he was referring to.

[_Shrek_]

Apparently it was ALL due to sportbikes...sportbikes!...sportbikes!!

a good reason for riding & owning duel purpose :corn:



There is nothing unusually different about that piece of road, compared to every other piece of road that is not designated as a motorway.

The riders failed all by themselves.

And yes, I was there.

top man :apint:


Firstly, I was not there at the accident at all. I am not posting this to receive a whole lot of abuse or fame, just the facts.

It is human nature when you fuck up, you either learn and take the blame or blame someone else!
Just all remember that we don't go out on the road to have an accident, but we can take measures that can tip the balance in our favour. I have been riding NZ roads for over 40 years, and have come across some pretty shocking roads. When you ride it is dangerours, I as much as anyone know this from a serious bike accident which I can still feel after 30 years.

All you guys out there, remember this,

"If I arse up and come off, I was the one who put the bike there in the first place". I have also come off in conditions like this, It was my fault for not riding to the conditions and no one else to blame.

I feel for the riders that have come off, it is not nice to see another brother hurt, on his pride and joy smashed up.

Please everyone, stop this shit from happening again, and learn from it, and be man enough to not lay any blame.

NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST A BIT MORE CAREFULL

:niceone:


I was wondering which bike he was referring to.

I saw a v-rod, buolavard & suzkui :scratch: (bandit or vtr)

[Crusty_Junior]

Where is the castle?

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

[kiwifruit]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

Was just asking where "the castle" is, man.

[dangerous]

And we all know that had it been any one of us on the same patch of road we would have been 100% fine...


what a compleat bulshit post, mate this could happen to evey one and all of us... however its unlikely to for those that ride to the conditions not bunched up and can handle there bikes acordingly. as below.




"Unlikely" doesn't cut it Mr. Perfect. You weren't there, but seeing as you are so certain you would have aced this scenario, which you are speculating about because you didn't see or experience it, I guess we can take your word for it.hmmm... look jack dont be calling me Mr Perfect, if you were able to read what I said, I am far from that :brick:
Unlike you I have ridden over 400,000k on the road and raced many a hour on the track, I dont expect you to get that as you and excuse me if I am wrong are a hairy arsed L plate 250 rider...



sits back...:corn:

[Madness]

Geez, Kiwifruit. Stop being so fucking offensive, will ya?

13,000km in 8 months sounds pretty average - 19,500 k's per year aint much. I do that weekend riding plus about 60,000km a year in the work ute. It's a miracle I'm still alive with those miles, considering the state of our roads.

Merry Chrismyarse everyone :niceone:

[Kickaha]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

Mileage doesn't relate to skill level and if everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings then they wouldn't have crashed would they

[jrandom]

keyboard words


shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do

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i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ?

Inconceivable.

[jrandom]

13,000.00

POINT ZERO ZERO, aye

a man whose odometer has CLICKED OVER, and stuff

[Grantman_]

hmmm... look jack dont be calling me Mr Perfect, if you were able to read what I said, I am far from that :brick:
Unlike you I have ridden over 400,000k on the road and raced many a hour on the track, I dont expect you to get that as you and excuse me if I am wrong are a hairy arsed L plate 250 rider...



sits back...:corn:

You're excused, this time. Might see you on the track one day.

[Big Dave]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Whether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice-slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

[Grantman_]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Wether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice- slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

Absolutely right.

[Katman]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Wether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice- slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

Perhaps the culture of group riding needs serious address.

[McJim]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

13,000km in 8 months isn't that impressive bro. Move on. Fucksake I've done about 7,000km on my pushie in that time. Speak to gijoe1313 and then you'll see what real mileage is.

[Pussy]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Wether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice- slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

Fair enough comments, Dave... but one should always ride one's own ride, and ride to the conditions.

[_Shrek_]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

then they need to do a bit more :ride: so that this crap don't happen again :corn:

& as for k's I only managed 47k in 8 months so that only makes me a weekend warrior compared to say - gijoe or gremlin :whistle: so instead of run'n off at the mouth sonny onya :scooter:

[Big Dave]

Fair enough comments, Dave... but one should always ride one's own ride, and ride to the conditions.

Yea.

Experience is a good school. But the fees are high.

[Oakie]

i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings
Someone wasn't


most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you .
Perhaps that's the problem? They're all in their 70s! (Oh, and thanks very much for the image of my dear old mum on top of my dad. I'm now going to gouge out my mind's eye with a spoon.)

[cheshirecat]

Re time of riding experience. I'm not sure just how relevant this is as it has to equated to the type of experience. Like katman I took up despatch riding in London. By 11.30 on the first day I was stuffed, wet through and frazzeled by the number of very near misses, there was still 6 hours to go and 4 days before the weekend. This was despite riding hundreds of hours touring Europe, riding on a daily basis since I was 16 and knowing London - or I thought I did.
Three years of this I survived in a profession where there was a 100% probability of ending up in casualty within your first year or six months in most cases. I am grateful since the skills learnt have been invalueable, embedded in the my brain box and life saving in fact. No amount of road riding in the normal commuting sense would have given me these skills. I've never ridden on the track so can't comment but then most of the incdents I come across on the road I don't see much envisage happening on a race track.

[Brian d marge]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

They fell off on a straight bit of road ........

And as A london DR for quite some time , I could say I ve exceeded that 13 k in 8 months, as a motorcycle mechanic , I could say Ive exceeded that 13 k ....


Straight road , fell off end of story ( unless something fell out of the sky, or like Jim a ninja sheep came out of nowhere ....)

Just glad all walked away ...

and I assume will be a bit more aware next time

Stephen

[pc220]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Wether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice- slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

Yeah na, no fun in that.

[_Shrek_]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

I think the road problem is NZ wide BD, just depends on where you're riding at the time etc...

[dangerous]

I think the road problem is NZ wide BD, just depends on where you're riding at the time etc...
I was going to say the same, cost cutting... I have worked in the test plant for road seal and have seen that they can make it to last a life time, but alas...

[Mom]

Was just asking where "the castle" is, man.

I dont think "the castle" is open anymore. It used to be a Castle shaped building that sold really cool ice creams (and other shit) on the way to my Moms place in Thames. Made a hell of a bottle neck on the trip to see her. Probably caused a heap of crashes - chain reaction ones you understand - there was a Mobil petrol station opposite :pinch:

[kiwifruit]

Money is spent on the roads that see the most traffic. "B" roads are less maintained. I don't mind the poor seal, irregular surfaces, unmarked corners, pea metal, tar bleed, off camber etc etc - it's all part of it and all enjoyable. For me anyway.

:sunny:




I dont think "the castle" is open anymore. It used to be a Castle shaped building that sold really cool ice creams (and other shit) on the way to my Moms place in Thames. Made a hell of a bottle neck on the trip to see her. Probably caused a heap of crashes - chain reaction ones you understand - there was a Mobil petrol station opposite :pinch:

Thanks

[McJim]

I think there are a few misconceptions about who maintains roads. Main roads, State Highways are generally central government but there are a lot of other roads that are maintained by Local Authorities. Some to a higher standard than others. The local authorities can get a NZTA subsidy for some of these roads to assist. Different local authorities may have a different specification than others and there will also be the discrepancies between the contractors used.
I am often told how much better the roads are in the UK than in New Zealand and I would beg to differ having travelled extensively in both. Many of the roads in UK are one vehicle wide with passing places, subject to flooding as the land around them is generally higher then the road surface (We don't have those massive ditches at the sides of our roads) no road markings, blind corners because of hedgerows...I could go on but the general point I'm trying to get across here is that New Zealand roads, by and large, are not that bad.
The motorways in UK are infinitely superior to the NZ motorways, but.;)

[White trash]

Shame I wasn't there on the GSXR. Would'a just hoisted the front at 130mph through there and let the rear spin up a little. That way I coulda cleared all the wreckage that seemed to be lying around at the time although I may have needed a VW Beetle travelling in the opposite direction to use as a ramp.

[Owl]

I may have needed a VW Beetle travelling in the opposite direction to use as a ramp.

Show pony!:oi-grr:

[_Shrek_]

Shame I wasn't there on the GSXR. Would'a just hoisted the front at 130mph through there and let the rear spin up a little. That way I coulda cleared all the wreckage that seemed to be lying around at the time although I may have needed a VW Beetle travelling in the opposite direction to use as a ramp.

:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :whistle:

[lovejoy]

ANYHOW there,s a guy in hospital with a smashed wrist as a result of this accident ,I hope he has a good doctor who can get him back to near 100 percent use of his arm and hand again and would like to think that we could meet up on a ride in the new year and to the others who were injured i hope you are all on the mend and haven,t been put off riding and we will see you also in the new year cheers and Merry Xmas L J.

[Elvis]

shows how much riding you keyboard jockey's do , For those that are thinking yea , this another wanker with all the gear an no idea , i simply ask , whos done 13,000.00 k in 8 months ? ive ridden with this group since i started riding , i know the cameraman , and i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings , you guys that poke crap at anyone who rides a cruiser , get a life , seriously , most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

Junior, you are more than entitled to your opinion, and so am I. So, I think you should be a little bit more carefull who you are calling keyboard jockeys. I take offence to this comment!. As far as you are concerned, you only ride a 250, and the fact that you did 13,000km's in 8 months some how makes you qualified to get the back up on more experienced riders.

I ask you when was the last time you came off and ended up in hospital with so many tubes coming out of yourself, you looked like a tin of spaggetti, or did you ever wake up in hospital with no recollection of your name or who you were for three months, or have you still got metal pins and plates keeping you together. When this experience happens to you, and god forbid, you will get rid of this big ego of yours and may even learn that some of us old keyboard jockeys actually do know a bit more than you.

I was riding long before you were born, as you say, but this apparently counts for nothing. There are not many nights that I still don't suffer pain from accidents, but I can tell you straight I HAD AN EGO, I WAS BULLIT PROOF, learn from this now before it is to late. Get rid of your EGO and be more carfull. This is written by someone who knows jack shit................

[FJRider]

i can say everyone in the group is exceptionally aware of the road , weather and surroundings ......

most of these guys have been riding since before your mum rode your dad to create you.

I guess thats why they crashed then ... too much awareness and too much experience.

Just a pity the lack of ability to handle less than perfect roads ... let them down.

[Brian d marge]

anyhow the right wrist, sounds like the front has washed, too much brake me thinks
hopefully they didn't bust that small bone, that's a pain to fix

Stephen

[jasonu]

anyhow the right wrist, sounds like the front has washed, too much brake me thinks
hopefully they didn't bust that small bone, that's a pain to fix

Stephen

That would be the scaphoid. I broke mine 30 years ago, had it pinned and it is still and never will be right.

[Brian407]

Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse.

Whether it's cost cutting or poor workmanship I don't know, but the chip seal fails and the underlying tar bleeds to the top. When it gets wet it becomes treacherously-black ice-slippery. It holds surface water and can easily bring a novice or even an experienced rider undone. Particularly in situations with decreased visibility. I have seen it happen to old hands as well.

You would be better served by expressing your outrage at the death traps on the roadways than getting on the case of the poor schmucks it's brought undone.

Perhaps you should realise that the issue you allude to is not just a Northern problem, it's countrywide. Down here, we are well and truly aware of it, Central Otago is littered with roads like that. Difference is, is that the majority of riders are aware of the conditions and ride to them. I myself had a mishap on shiny seal a couple of years ago and broke my leg, difference is that I blamed my in-attention to the conditions, not the road surface.

Only a Bad Tradesman blames his tools for his fuckups.

[Brian d marge]

That would be the scaphoid. I broke mine 30 years ago, had it pinned and it is still and never will be right.

its not like it does anything, can't they just fuse it or take it out all together, when u shuffle off this this mortal coil ( bloody hamlet) ...you could get a refund for part unused.......
stephen

[Elvis]

Perhaps you should realise that the issue you allude to is not just a Northern problem, it's countrywide. Down here, we are well and truly aware of it, Central Otago is littered with roads like that. Difference is, is that the majority of riders are aware of the conditions and ride to them. I myself had a mishap on shiny seal a couple of years ago and broke my leg, difference is that I blamed my in-attention to the conditions, not the road surface.

Only a Bad Tradesman blames his tools for his fuckups.

Well said, I agree!

[Elvis]

We all have our opinions on this subject, but we all must agree to disagree!

May I wish you all a "Merry Christmas and a Orsum New Year!"
Special thoughts go out the our fallin brothers, may you all have a speedy recovery and take care.

[pc220]

You silly buggers, dont you know this is the century of " no personal responsibility". Someone else is always at fault.

[98tls]

We all have our opinions on this subject, but we all must agree to disagree!

May I wish you all a "Merry Christmas and a Orsum New Year!"
Special thoughts go out the our fallin brothers, may you all have a speedy recovery and take care.

Na fuck that,theres nothing to disagree about they fucked up...simple.All the namby pamby "brothers" shits a load of crock.They will A... have learnt to fuck up hurts and not do it again or B... do it again.And a Merry Xmas to you.

[Elvis]

Na fuck that,theres nothing to disagree about they fucked up...simple.All the namby pamby "brothers" shits a load of crock.They will A... have learnt to fuck up hurts and not do it again or B... do it again.And a Merry Xmas to you.

Love the A & B shit

[Big Dave]

Perhaps you should realise - snip

The problem with the tradesman line is that not everyone riding a motorcycle is a 'tradesman'.
I'm not pointing at the crew in this video, but there are a lot are part timers, newbies, and the inexperienced out there - not doing anything wrong.
But as long as the standard of roading continues to decline these types of incidents will continue to occur. 'That' is blameworthy.

[98tls]

Love the A & B shit

There you go eh,motorcycling was such a simple pastime before the internet.

[FJRider]

Na fuck that,theres nothing to disagree about they fucked up...simple.All the namby pamby "brothers" shits a load of crock.They will A... have learnt to fuck up hurts and not do it again or B... do it again.And a Merry Xmas to you.

Considering the number of bikes on the ride ... three went down. On an apparently crappy road. Crappy enough for bikes to go down ... but ONLY three. The rest must have been too skilled NOT to bin on such a crappy road ...

THREE fucked up. Any others that did ... got lucky ... and got to ride home.

[98tls]

The problem with the tradesman line is that not everyone riding a motorcycle is a 'tradesman'.
I'm not pointing at the crew in this video, but there are a lot are part timers, newbies, and the inexperienced out there - not doing anything wrong.
But as long as the standard of roading continue to decline these types of incidents will continue to occur. 'That' is blameworthy.

Crews/part timers/newbies/inexperience:yawn:David your confusing motorcycling with Greenpeace and Whales.All said n done saftey campaigns/his vis vests and the internet full of experience hasnt changed a thing,nor will picture perfect roads.When will people just accept motorcycling for what it is.

[98tls]

Considering the number of bikes on the ride ... three went down. On an apparently crappy road. Crappy enough for bikes to go down ... but ONLY three. The rest must have been too skilled NOT to bin on such a crappy road ...

THREE fucked up. Any others that did ... got lucky ... and got to ride home.

:2thumbsupThats wonderful dear.So an acceptable number of offs on a straight road is dependant on the number travelling down it in a group,if enough leave there seats its a "crappy road".Could kick myself for missing it all these years.No wonder ACC have a leg to stand on.

[FJRider]

:2thumbsupThats wonderful dear.So an acceptable number of offs on a straight road is dependant on the number travelling down it in a group,if enough leave there seats its a "crappy road".Could kick myself for missing it all these years.No wonder ACC have a leg to stand on.

I guess thats why duel purpose bikes are getting so popular ... ;)

[_Shrek_]

I guess thats why duel purpose bikes are getting so popular ... ;)

:hitcher: & then they can blame the crappy metal roads & tracks when they fall off :violin:

[McJim]

I guess thats why duel purpose bikes are getting so popular ... ;)

Are duel purpose bikes for fighting each other at dawn? Or are they like dual purpose bikes that can go on and off road. (or have I missed the new spelling a la sprotsbike?)

[FJRider]

Are duel purpose bikes for fighting each other at dawn? Or are they like dual purpose bikes that can go on and off road. (or have I missed the new spelling a la sprotsbike?)

With the rate of motorcyclists crashing into another ... maybe it should. Perhaps I didn't learn enough in school ... some people never learn ... :innocent:

[BoristheBiter]

its not like it does anything, can't they just fuse it or take it out all together, when u shuffle off this this mortal coil ( bloody hamlet) ...you could get a refund for part unused.......
stephen

The big problem is the blood only flows one way through the scaphoid so if it does not heal properly you can loose your thumb though lack/no blood flow.

[trumpy]

.....our fallin brothers, may you all have a speedy recovery and take care.

Brothers? I got brothers? Why did someone not tell me this before? I thought I only had a sister.....obviously me Mum was a little bit naughty when my Dad wasn't looking....

Sorry mate, we're not automatically "brothers" because we share a mode of transport, it takes a little more than that. In my experience "we" are about as diverse a group of people as you would ever meet.

[Laava]

Brothers? I got brothers? Why did someone not tell me this before? I thought I only had a sister.....obviously me Mum was a little bit naughty when my Dad wasn't looking....

Sorry mate, we're not automatically "brothers" because we share a mode of transport, it takes a little more than that. In my experience "we" are about as diverse a group of people as you would ever meet.

Aw c'mon bro, feel the love! Iiiiiiiiiits Xmassssssss!

[motorbyclist]

...The "not speeding" comment made me laugh ... as they were going too fast for the conditions (otherwise they wouldn't have crashed) and they couldn't get out of each others way....

hold on, were they really going to fast for the conditions because they crashed? How fast would be appropriate considering the conditions changed after a corner? What does the rider handling of the bike have to do with it? I know I've ridden too fast for the conditions and not crashed before....

I also know I've ridden well within what would be considered "safe for the conditions" and had near accidents when the conditions abruptly change faster than my speed can (gravel, mud, livestock, retards doing U turns). Shit I've come off on tar bleed before despite crawling over it at 40kph with utmost care. I've also come off due to lack of attention/fatigue, and that was doing 70 where I could have reasonably been doing 100 (or more).

Can we please stop blaming speed? The govt. loves it as it's enforcable and distracts us from the true issue of driver ability/training and in some cases poor roading. Roading in NZ is a problem and is very often a major contributing factor to accidents. This isn't just tar bleed, but also design of camber and roadside furniture, misleading or lacking signage, poorly designed intersections and other issues that catch us out.

The only statement about speeding from the govt. that is true is the old mantra, "the faster you go the bigger the mess". To address driver training (ie resit the test every 5 years, learners being taught how to drive unaided in emergency situations etc) is something they just refuse to do, instead opting for popular votes with kneejerk policies (change 250cc system, raise age to 16, crush cars/"boy racer act"). TO admit that road conditions, especially after being notified of the issues, cause injuries and deaths is something they would simply rather not do.

I'm glad to see this year they have announced that driving slowly and failing to let others pass is akin to careless driving.

(and yes, I do know of a particular road in abysmal condition where after a driver was killed they blamed speed and then proceeded with a massive upgrade of the road.)


Northern NZ has a problem with its roads and every year it gets worse. .
When I was riding around the south island I absolutely loved the chipseal made with what appears to be metal from the alps - all full of light quartz - it didn't seem to melt, had good traction, and was very visible at night; it nearly glowed!

[trumpy]

Aw c'mon bro, feel the love! Iiiiiiiiiits Xmassssssss!

Well, I wave.......will that do?

[FJRider]

hold on, were they really going to fast for the conditions because they crashed? How fast would be appropriate considering the conditions changed after a corner? What does the rider handling of the bike have to do with it? I know I've ridden too fast for the conditions and not crashed before....


Ask yourself ... if they do(did)that ride again ...same people, same bikes ... when they get to that SAME piece of road.... will they slow down, go faster, or will they travel at the same speed as they did in the video ... ???

My bet is they will SLOW DOWN. And I'd bet ... the gap between bikes would be greater too ...

[White trash]

Oh FFS!!!! (12 year old daughters abbreviation)

A group of guys went for a ride, on cruisers. There were no fucking egos, otherwise they wouldn't have been on cruisers. There was a crash, during which, a number of motorcyclists were injured. Some helicoptered to hospital.

Regardless of whether YOU riding gods would have fallen or not is irrelevant. The fact is, people did. They're hurt. Their pillions are hurt. Their bikes are fucked.

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

Point 1) The riders involved are hopefully recovering and teaching themselves what they could have done differently.
Point 2) Every SINGLE one of you critiques have made at least ONE mistake in the past, probably more. You're just extremely fortunate there were no video cameras around at the time.

These guys may or may not have fucked up. I don't care. They're injured. Their bikes are fucked. Their peers are calling them n00bs for crashing. They deserve a break.

Merry Christmas guys, shit'll get better in the New Year, I look very forward to catching up on the road some time. Peace!

Jimmy

[GREY]

Interesting FIRST post ... I see by your Bling indicator ... you aren't making friends .... funny that ... :yawn:[/QUOTE

Friends i seem to have a bunch of phenomenal mates. Two of them came of on this ride lots of them did not.:motu: Think i give a shit about my Bling indicator.Dogmatic Muppet
[QUOTE=White trash;1130221486]Oh FFS!!!! (12 year old daughters abbreviation)

A group of guys went for a ride, on cruisers. There were no fucking egos, otherwise they wouldn't have been on cruisers. There was a crash, during which, a number of motorcyclists were injured. Some helicoptered to hospital.

Regardless of whether YOU riding gods would have fallen or not is irrelevant. The fact is, people did. They're hurt. Their pillions are hurt. Their bikes are fucked.

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

Point 1) The riders involved are hopefully recovering and teaching themselves what they could have done differently.
Point 2) Every SINGLE one of you critiques have made at least ONE mistake in the past, probably more. You're just extremely fortunate there were no video cameras around at the time.

These guys may or may not have fucked up. I don't care. They're injured. Their bikes are fucked. Their peers are calling them n00bs for crashing. They deserve a break.

Merry Christmas guys, shit'll get better in the New Year, I look very forward to catching up on the road some time. Peace!

Jimmy

Mate if you are ever around my way would happy find room for you and your bike.Love to ride a strait bit off road with you :lol:

Merry Christmas to you all

[Berries]

Love to ride a strait bit off road with you :lol:
Not ride off a straight bit of road then?

Ho ho ho, merry christmas

[StoneY]

Oh FFS!!!! (12 year old daughters abbreviation)

Christ Jimmy....you do listen to the kids after all!


...... calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

Why not? It works in WOW and Guild Wars! The most annoying, and useless pricks in the instance never come back to plague you once you nOOb them out in public!


Merry Christmas guys, shit'll get better in the New Year, I look very forward to catching up on the road some time. Peace!

Jimmy

Not unless they fix that piece of road it wont...... :yes:

Merry Christmas all.
Hope those in the video get pissed enough to forget the pain tomorrow, and are back out there shiny side up sometime soon.

[Floppy disk]

6:17 that's hot body, all right! :brick:

[Katman]

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.



I dunno Jimmy, if a few people being made to feel a bit foolish gets across the folly of these sorts of group rides then I say they should suck it up.

It's probably the only good that could come from splashing this sort of video across the public's eye.

[AD345]

the folly of these sorts of group rides .

What folly is that?

What sort of group rides is that?

[Katman]

What folly is that?

What sort of group rides is that?

A collection of riders of greatly varying skill level who don't know each others riding ability.

As said earlier, add a video camera and the scenario just gets worse.

[AD345]

A collection of riders of greatly varying skill level who don't know each others riding ability.

As said earlier, add a video camera and the scenario just gets worse.

Mmmm

But this particular group rides together quite a lot and often with the video camera.

The briefings are as good as any I've heard, the general speed is what I would consider sedate and there is no evidence of people "performing" for the camera

As much as it can be comforting to stereotype, it is not always true.

This is not a group looking for a place to have their accidents and bragging about their skills and high-speed footage. They pretty much follow all the group ride advice that is batted about this place.

3 people fucked up - it happens.

[Big Dave]

When will people just accept motorcycling for what it is.


It's about the roads becoming impassable and treacherous.

I am well aware it happens NZ wide. But it's much worse in the Waikato. In some back country places a bike is better off taking to the gravel verge in the melt.
Then when it gets wet there is simply no good line available. The whole surface is rooted.

That is unacceptable. Even if you are a KB-style hero hell rider without fault. (No not meaning you)

Rick Barker once told me he believed the cost of fixing it would be less than it costs in ACC. It's an issue that will continue to get worse.

[Brett]

Oh FFS!!!! (12 year old daughters abbreviation)

A group of guys went for a ride, on cruisers. There were no fucking egos, otherwise they wouldn't have been on cruisers. There was a crash, during which, a number of motorcyclists were injured. Some helicoptered to hospital.

Regardless of whether YOU riding gods would have fallen or not is irrelevant. The fact is, people did. They're hurt. Their pillions are hurt. Their bikes are fucked.

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

Point 1) The riders involved are hopefully recovering and teaching themselves what they could have done differently.
Point 2) Every SINGLE one of you critiques have made at least ONE mistake in the past, probably more. You're just extremely fortunate there were no video cameras around at the time.

These guys may or may not have fucked up. I don't care. They're injured. Their bikes are fucked. Their peers are calling them n00bs for crashing. They deserve a break.

Merry Christmas guys, shit'll get better in the New Year, I look very forward to catching up on the road some time. Peace!

Jimmy

Fair call mate.

[Grantman_]

This thread hasn't served to show the 'folly of these sorts of group rides' or do any good whatsoever for that matter.

Quite the opposite. Chiefly it shows a cess pit of vindictive hypocrisy.

[Laava]

3 people fucked up - it happens.

This is it in a nutshell.
Let's move on.

[FJRider]

This thread hasn't served to show the 'folly of these sorts of group rides' or do any good whatsoever for that matter.

Quite the opposite. Chiefly it shows a cess pit of vindictive hypocrisy.

If you mean ... when blame for the "off's" was put entirely on one contributing factor ... and when the issue of no blame admitted by any concerned, was raised ... and challenged ... and the flame war began, the "it wasn't my fault brigade" responding well .... you could be right.

ACC has a "No Fault" policy after-all ... :lol:

[98tls]

It's about the roads becoming impassable and treacherous.

I am well aware it happens NZ wide. But it's much worse in the Waikato. In some back country places a bike is better off taking to the gravel verge in the melt.
Then when it gets wet there is simply no good line available. The whole surface is rooted.

That is unacceptable. Even if you are a KB-style hero hell rider without fault. (No not meaning you)

Rick Barker once told me he believed the cost of fixing it would be less than it costs in ACC. It's an issue that will continue to get worse.

Cry me a river mate,ever go to Cust way back?gravel verge:2thumbsupif only,those guys had the privledge to race on seal then gravel and managed to work it out pretty quick...or not.All this wrap motorcyclists up in cotton wool shits never going to work and god forbid it ever does, thank fuck its one of the few things left that luck and some ability play a part in.