Mini-motard for bucket racing?

[Henk]

Yeah the budget side of bucket racing is getting scary, my two biggest expenses, petrol for the van and beer.

[Str8 Jacket]

Yeah the budget side of bucket racing is getting scary, my two biggest expenses, petrol for the van and beer.

You should prob add port to that list too....

[Henk]

You should prob add port to that list too....

Yeah should probably have said alcohol instead of beer but that might give people the impression that we spend more time sleeping in tents and drinking when we are away than racing.

[jasonu]

Nah they will beat me up too.
I am thinking of racing one of these......(sample photo - mine is in boxes/baskets right now)
http://www.biker.net/triple/new_triple2.jpg

Yes that Capri should do well...

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-459248248.htm

So i could race this but a 150 2 valve dirt bike made in china for a few hundred dollars is unacceptable?

[Yow Ling]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-459248248.htm

So i could race this but a 150 2 valve dirt bike made in china for a few hundred dollars is unacceptable?


Took a while but you seem to get it now

[mossy1200]

Took a while but you seem to get it now

So add some ohlins and slicks and im ready. I think bucket of bolts race class kind of sold out a bit. Have been down the quest for lap times via wallet depth before now im just after a way to socialise and have fun. Maybe I expected an approach of if it doesnt stand out as being to powerfull to be on the track then it has a place in a bucket class. Perhaps if there is doubts then it cant be run in A grade.

[richban]

So add some ohlins and slicks and im ready. I think bucket of bolts race class kind of sold out a bit. Have been down the quest for lap times via wallet depth before now im just after a way to socialise and have fun. Maybe I expected an approach of if it doesnt stand out as being to powerfull to be on the track then it has a place in a bucket class. Perhaps if there is doubts then it cant be run in A grade.

I am sure if you turned up with some piece of junk and it was track safe and all, you could race it here in wellington. But B grade is as competitive if not more so than A grade. B grade is the meet grinder.

[mossy1200]

I am sure if you turned up with some piece of junk and it was track safe and all, you could race it here in wellington. But B grade is as competitive if not more so than A grade. B grade is the meet grinder.

Yeah perhaps it would have been better if I had said placed into the class that best suits the speed of said bike as directed by the club.
It just seems a shame that there isnt less worry about meeting guidelines to the letter when something is safe and not cheating by attempting to enter a over powered engine in the less competitive class or classes which would encourage buying a faster bike when the newer rider wants to step it up.I think this would serve those who are at the top aswell as they have a group of upcomers to sell their bikes to when they choose to upgrade.Its just an opinion that more members entering has a filter up effect and not everyone wants to spend 1-2k as a starting point bike but those that get involved and make friends and have fun will do so in the future.

[Trudes]

Yeah perhaps it would have been better if I had said placed into the class that best suits the speed of said bike as directed by the club.
It just seems a shame that there isnt less worry about meeting guidelines to the letter when something is safe and not cheating by attempting to enter a over powered engine in the less competitive class or classes which would encourage buying a faster bike when the newer rider wants to step it up.I think this would serve those who are at the top aswell as they have a group of upcomers to sell their bikes to when they choose to upgrade.Its just an opinion that more members entering has a filter up effect and not everyone wants to spend 1-2k as a starting point bike but those that get involved and make friends and have fun will do so in the future.

Just a question..... Have you actually been to a bucket meet?

[Pumba]

Yeah the budget side of bucket racing is getting scary, my two biggest expenses, petrol for the van and beer.

Add the cigars, go well with port

[mossy1200]

Just a question..... Have you actually been to a bucket meet?

Yep I raced on Fish's bike in the two man endurance race a couple of years ago and have watched a few meetings.

[Buckets4Me]

Yep I raced on Fish's bike in the two man endurance race a couple of years ago and have watched a few meetings.

I have sold 3 buckets for
$180
$250
$600

2 out of 3 of those bikes are still going and fast enough to finish top 5 at Mt Welly
where is the expence or need to buy an illegal bike ?

just do it

[Henk]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-459248248.htm

So i could race this but a 150 2 valve dirt bike made in china for a few hundred dollars is unacceptable?

You got it.
Actually I thought the consensus was that you could race your chinese pile but you would be better off getting something was didn't live in the grey zone as any initial savings would rapidly be gobbled up repairing all the parts of it that will break because they are made of cheese.

[Henk]

I am sure if you turned up with some piece of junk and it was track safe and all, you could race it here in wellington. But B grade is as competitive if not more so than A grade. B grade is the meet grinder.

Only time I have been happy to get crap starts was in the B grade at Kaitoke Easter meet on the 100. Turn one was a cross between a Clothes dryer and a pinball machine.

[mossy1200]

I have sold 3 buckets for
$180
$250
$600

2 out of 3 of those bikes are still going and fast enough to finish top 5 at Mt Welly
where is the expence or need to buy an illegal bike ?

just do it

And I havent seen any sub $500 bucket bikes that would fit a 6foot 5 rider sell in Wellington area that I would like to ride and im just asking why a 150cc chinese made dirt bike and lets face it the bike im asking about wont have been intended as a motor cross or enduro race bike but was made as entry level dirty bike. It even has electric start so young riders can get it going. Do you consider it a illegal bike or just a bike that hasnt been considered as suitable. Dont get me wrong I dont want to rewrite your rulebook i just like the thought of punting said bike around the cart track. Also I dont understand what makes this engine unsuitable when loncin 150 engine is classed dirt and cart motor on their own website.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=464623963

[Henk]

Yep I raced on Fish's bike in the two man endurance race a couple of years ago and have watched a few meetings.

Should have bought your gear with you at Easter when you bought the pants out for the wife to try, we would have put you on something.

[mossy1200]

Should have bought your gear with you at Easter when you bought the pants out for the wife to try, we would have put you on something.

Yes after watching for a we while all I wanted was to do was a few laps. I wouldnt have felt to comfortable asking for a ride. I was nervous enough riding Fish's bike incase something went wrong or I crashed it.

I still have the bug but idd like to do it very cheap and casual until after I have bought a house even if it means said chinese motor lasts 10 meets then needs a motor transplant later to spread costs a bit or step into a better bike later on. I have the gear and the interest I just dont want to pull 1200-2000 away from deposit on house at this stage.

Maybe I should offer wiring work as exchange for B grade race bike that someone has collecting dust in Wellington.

[Henk]

The Number of people that have crashed our bikes defies belief, one more wouldn't have hurt.

[mossy1200]

The Number of people that have crashed our bikes defies belief, one more wouldn't have hurt.

Very likely but I have a habit of not crashing often but doing a very good job of it when I do. My posty managed to go 2 metres up before landing upside down and going end over end twice last bin.

[crazy man]

Very likely but I have a habit of not crashing often but doing a very good job of it when I do. My posty managed to go 2 metres up before landing upside down and going end over end twice last bin.there must be a old tf100 or a xl125 just waiting for you for a good price

[mossy1200]

there must be a old tf100 or a xl125 just waiting for you for a good price

Have led 2 tard me auctions on bikes that wouldnt have had any questions asked about them at all to have the auctions pulled.I have been looking for a while maybe a year so far. Unless I put over 1k into a bike in wellington at the moment my options are zero.
Try engine search trade me bikes under 2k in wellington in lowest price order. Fxr150 is the next lowest at $1010 which will become $1400+ by auction end.
What I would like to know is why the CMG150 engine is any less legal than a loncin150 engine or is it the bikes frame or shape that is the issue? Could I buy the bike and put a loncin or fxr engine into the frame and sell the cmg engine to recover some costs? Could I run the cmg engine in a less competitive class till I find a suitable 100 2smoke or 150 4stroke. Are there any acceptable options for this bike? Am I going to have issues with every motard looking bucket?

Does everyone agree that the cmg is not a race orientated engine that has zero advantages over any other 150 4stroke.
Ill admit the bike itself is a poor mans copy of the yamaha but its not a performance equivatent replica its really just a look the part dirty bike.

[Yow Ling]

Hey Mossy, look at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/other/auction-466917962.htm
put a TF or TS in it scrounge up some wheels and second hand tyres could easy do it under 600. These are great frames an TS motors are real easy to fit
I have one in the shed just like it. 6 foot 5 no problem

[mossy1200]

Hey Mossy, look at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/other/auction-466917962.htm
put a TF or TS in it scrounge up some wheels and second hand tyres could easy do it under 600. These are great frames an TS motors are real easy to fit
I have one in the shed just like it. 6 foot 5 no problem

Yeah its on my watchlist but its also only 100 today but maybe more later and its also in auckland.16inch front 18rear.I had one frame in the shed last year(vt) and I made the mistake of selling it.When I built my trailer out of a bucket frame I had a engine(this was after selling the rg frame not at the same time).Winding back time idd be having fun on the track already.
Im very keen to get the answers on the previous questions in last post refering to frame being ok etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aGsol9_kY28

[Henk]

I'm in the CMG would be legal but not competitive camp.
Mind you I'm also in the CRF100 is legal camp, just because it's a dirt bike doesn't make it a race bike.
I guess what creates the grey area is that fact that twenty years ago when the XR range was new they were sold as enduro bikes, and talented blokes like Sean Clarke went out and won on them. Now you can still buy XR200s new as far as I'm aware but anyone suggesting they are more than that a play bike or sheep chaser would get laughed at.
I've built an F5 bike using a CRF100 motor and doubt it will ever get protested and I think it's inside the rules. I do understand why people get wound up about the rules as there are people who have gone to a lot of effort to build legal bikes when it may have been easier to cheat.
As for the budget thing, in real terms a Competive bucket probably costs as much now in 2012 dollars as a competitive bucket did in 1982 dollars back then. And at the end it is bucket racing not bucket riding so people are always going to be looking for any edge they can find.
Late eighties I owned a bucket for a bit, didn't ever race it since I couldn't afford to drop the required coin on leathers etc, my brand new Ixon one piece cost less now that it was going to set me back then, and that's straight dollars not allowing for inflation. In some ways racing these things is cheaper now than it was twenty years ago.

[mossy1200]

I'm in the CMG would be legal but not competitive camp.
Mind you I'm also in the CRF100 is legal camp, just because it's a dirt bike doesn't make it a race bike.
I guess what creates the grey area is that fact that twenty years ago when the XR range was new they were sold as enduro bikes, and talented blokes like Sean Clarke went out and won on them. Now you can still buy XR200s new as far as I'm aware but anyone suggesting they are more than that a play bike or sheep chaser would get laughed at.
I've built an F5 bike using a CRF100 motor and doubt it will ever get protested and I think it's inside the rules. I do understand why people get wound up about the rules as there are people who have gone to a lot of effort to build legal bikes when it may have been easier to cheat.
As for the budget thing, in real terms a Competive bucket probably costs as much now in 2012 dollars as a competitive bucket did in 1982 dollars back then. And at the end it is bucket racing not bucket riding so people are always going to be looking for any edge they can find.
Late eighties I owned a bucket for a bit, didn't ever race it since I couldn't afford to drop the required coin on leathers etc, my brand new Ixon one piece cost less now that it was going to set me back then, and that's straight dollars not allowing for inflation. In some ways racing these things is cheaper now than it was twenty years ago.

Believe me I know about spending and developing as I put almost 20k into my posty to win races rather than just show up.Managed to get some records but it was holding back other areas of my life like travel etc and when GW joined posties i was going to need pull motor dump start and alt and lighten crank spend more and get lighter wheels just to try reach the new level set plus improve my riding also. I just dont want to join buckets and end up close enough to the front that I get tempted to coin my way higher up. I like the idea of having fun on a motard style bucket with zero intensions of being at the pointy end until some other goals in life and promises I have made my wife become her reality. Maybe ill just need wait another year and spend the grand + when I can afford it but at the moment I restrict myself to spending a small percentage of my call out income on motorcycling.

I do however have a race suit,$700 race helmet gloves and race boots plus back brace and van with bike front wheel built in holder and tie down loops LOL

[Henk]

If you are confident that you can keep the chineese shitter going go for it I say. Kyle doesn't get told to sod off with his DR125 so you should be safe.
As for coining it to the front of A grade. The four freaks at the front in Wellington have mad skills to go with the gear, no matter what I had in the way of equipment I doubt I'd be able to live with Fishie and co, in fact I don't doubt it, I know it. More likely I'd die trying than beat Fish, Rich, Hamish and Andrew.

[avgas]

You should prob add port to that list too....
2 if you have one of those fancy buckets

[Henk]

2 if you have one of those fancy buckets

The port in question is Old Tawny, definitely not rich ruby.

[mossy1200]

If you are confident that you can keep the chineese shitter going go for it I say. Kyle doesn't get told to sod off with his DR125 so you should be safe.
As for coining it to the front of A grade. The four freaks at the front in Wellington have mad skills to go with the gear, no matter what I had in the way of equipment I doubt I'd be able to live with Fishie and co, in fact I don't doubt it, I know it. More likely I'd die trying than beat Fish, Rich, Hamish and Andrew.


it was glen that beat Fish an I in the endurence by a lap. We could have won it but Fish just let me do to many laps LOL.He didnt seem as keen on getting back on the bike the second time and left me doing to many laps.I think I needed more time on small bikes as my only racing previous was 140 rear wheel hp+ and 200kg on 22 year old bike. Fishies bike was all corner and no power compaired to mine but I must say he knows how to ride it.

Ill watch the auction and if it stays low ill have a go at buying it and swap the front end. If the engine is the factor that keeps it out of B grade ill just swap that for another later as I can afford it. im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.

[avgas]

Yes that Capri should do well...
You've clearly never owned a Capri!
I would say 'driven' but that is an even more rare occurrence.

[Kendog]

im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.
As long as the frame fits the rules, I don't think it matters that is is a mortard style.

Riding mortard style is not acceptable i.e. leg out. A couple of years back someone caused a few crashes in b grade riding with his leg out into corners. One of the riders that crashed almost went over and smacked him one. She was real mad, lol.

[Henk]

Frames are open, otherwise we wouldn't have all the flash RS rollers turning up. Not complaining about them,just jealous.

[mossy1200]

As long as the frame fits the rules, I don't think it matters that is is a mortard style.

Riding mortard style is not acceptable i.e. leg out. A couple of years back someone caused a few crashes in b grade riding with his leg out into corners. One of the riders that crashed almost went over and smacked him one. She was real mad, lol.


I wouldnt dream of putting a leg out or inventing new race lines but the long flat seat would be ideal for me to climb from one side to the other.

[koba]

Ill watch the auction and if it stays low ill have a go at buying it and swap the front end. If the engine is the factor that keeps it out of B grade ill just swap that for another later as I can afford it. im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.

You won't get turned away if it is safe and all nyloned.

Motard style has nothing to do with legality, engines and transmissions are the things limited non-competition.
Thus the frame will be OK for legality but perhaps not so for performance!

There is a guy that shows up occasionally from out of town on some Motorcross 125 with an RX125 engine, it's pretty good as it's deceptively light, I've already said that but reading comprehension seems pretty sparse in this thread.

[koba]

And I havent seen any sub $500 bucket bikes that would fit a 6foot 5 rider sell in Wellington area that I would like to ride

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=464623963

I would like to pay $200 for a reliable and competitive 30hp bucket-legal engine. Why the hell can't I? It's so discouraging that I can't dammit!

Should have bought my puresport 125 for $500, it was advertised on here for quite some time...

[jasonu]

Yeah perhaps it would have been better if I had said placed into the class that best suits the speed of said bike as directed by the club.
It just seems a shame that there isnt less worry about meeting guidelines to the letter when something is safe and not cheating by attempting to enter a over powered engine in the less competitive class or classes which would encourage buying a faster bike when the newer rider wants to step it up.I think this would serve those who are at the top aswell as they have a group of upcomers to sell their bikes to when they choose to upgrade.Its just an opinion that more members entering has a filter up effect and not everyone wants to spend 1-2k as a starting point bike but those that get involved and make friends and have fun will do so in the future.


So add some ohlins and slicks and im ready. I think bucket of bolts race class kind of sold out a bit. Have been down the quest for lap times via wallet depth before now im just after a way to socialise and have fun. Maybe I expected an approach of if it doesnt stand out as being to powerfull to be on the track then it has a place in a bucket class. Perhaps if there is doubts then it cant be run in A grade.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-459248248.htm

So i could race this but a 150 2 valve dirt bike made in china for a few hundred dollars is unacceptable?

Now you are really sounding like a whiner.
Get a LEGAL bike, there are a few around and join the best and most fun motorcycling class there is.

[Shorty_925]

bikes that would fit a 6foot 5 riders
Where the hell are those bikes!!

[fi5hy]

And I havent seen any sub $500 bucket bikes that would fit a 6foot 5 rider sell in Wellington area that I would like to ride and im just asking why a 150cc chinese made dirt bike and lets face it the bike im asking about wont have been intended as a motor cross or enduro race bike but was made as entry level dirty bike. It even has electric start so young riders can get it going. Do you consider it a illegal bike or just a bike that hasnt been considered as suitable. Dont get me wrong I dont want to rewrite your rulebook i just like the thought of punting said bike around the cart track. Also I dont understand what makes this engine unsuitable when loncin 150 engine is classed dirt and cart motor on their own website.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=464623963

Buy it bring it ride it mate I'm the one you need to please. SO JUST DO IT and have some fun!!! see you at the next meeting. just remember the nylon.

[mossy1200]

Now you are really sounding like a whiner.
Get a LEGAL bike, there are a few around and join the best and most fun motorcycling class there is.

Thread topic is "Mini-motard for bucket racing?"

Asking the questions makes me a whiner so the thread is a pointless one for you to read.

[kel]

Can't say I read this post through, rather the title caught my eye. Why go mini motard? (or is this just refering to the engine size?) I have a 1989 KX125 for sale sure the motor cant be used but the chassis could be turned into a crazy motard bucket. $200 if anyones interested, its just taking up room at my place and Im never going to get around to restoring it.

[jasonu]

Thread topic is "Mini-motard for bucket racing?"

Asking the questions makes me a whiner so the thread is a pointless one for you to read.

Sorry if I upset you, I am just saying it as I see it.
It looks to me that you are repeating the same questions and type of questions as well as trying to say the rules are against you because the bike you are wanting to use is, rightly or wrongly, not within the rules. A good portion of your questions don't need to be asked here because the answers are easily found in the rule book which is available on line for free.
IMO you should get the best and WITHIN THE RULES bike you can afford, show up to your local track and just dooooo it!

[mossy1200]

Sorry if I upset you, I am just saying it as I see it.
It looks to me that you are repeating the same questions and type of questions as well as trying to say the rules are against you because the bike you are wanting to use is, rightly or wrongly, not within the rules. A good portion of your questions don't need to be asked here because the answers are easily found in the rule book which is available on line for free.
IMO you should get the best and WITHIN THE RULES bike you can afford, show up to your local track and just dooooo it!

No. Im trying to ask if it is within the rules. If it cant be used thats fine. they arnt my rules but im unsure if said bike is classed classed competition engine due to it most likely being intended as a steping stone dirt bike as a next step from a 50 before a mx bike. I just want to know if the bike is close enough to what has already been approved to pass as legal or not.

Is it a case that this bike has not been considered yet because nobody has asked. At some point every bike would have to have been considered before used.

I was maybe expecting a answer such as.

Mossy. Nobody is using that model bike at the moment. If its the bike you want and your local club is ok with you using it then get it but if its required that you use a different part or parts to compete in top level competition you may be asked to do so.

[Henk]

Mossy. Nobody is using that model bike at the moment because nobody trusts the Chinese bikes to be reliable at the moment and it will probably not be competitive. If its the bike you want, your local organizer (Fish) is ok with you using it so get it.

[mossy1200]

Mossy. Nobody is using that model bike at the moment because nobody trusts the Chinese bikes to be reliable at the moment and it will probably not be competitive. If its the bike you want, your local organizer (Fish) is ok with you using it so get it.

Ok and when it chucks its monkey later my wife will approve a motor transplant due to the fact im already doing it and move up a level or ill strip it for parts and get a fxr or similar if I have enough cash at that stage.If to many people bid I wont get it as its clearly only worth a few hundred due to the fact its only ever going to be a entry level bike if purchased so isnt worth any more cash to me.

[Henk]

The thing to remember with kids trail bikes is that they hold their value really well, probably even the Chinese shitters.
Suspect they get used as the thin end of the wedge, get the kid on a bike, need something to a chase him / her on. Next minute, shed full of toys and something to tow them around with.
Don't be surprised if this ends up selling for numbers that make you doubt the buyers sanity.

[mossy1200]

The thing to remember with kids trail bikes is that they hold their value really well, probably even the Chinese shitters.
Suspect they get used as the thin end of the wedge, get the kid on a bike, need something to a chase him / her on. Next minute, shed full of toys and something to tow them around with.
Don't be surprised if this ends up selling for numbers that make you doubt the buyers sanity.

Yes the only saving grace may be its in Masterton. Even though if enough people are keen it may become $600 and not worth getting. If thats the case ill be looking again. It could well be I will need wait but everyone that knows me from postclassic racing will relise at some point if I have a play bike ill be seeking something fast when the money is there.

[TZ350]

I would like to pay $200 for a reliable and competitive 30hp bucket-legal engine.

Me too ...... :p

[mossy1200]

Is getting dearer

[crazy man]

Yes the only saving grace may be its in Masterton. Even though if enough people are keen it may become $600 and not worth getting. If thats the case ill be looking again. It could well be I will need wait but everyone that knows me from postclassic racing will relise at some point if I have a play bike ill be seeking something fast when the money is there.l'm talking darran around to go bucket racing as well

[jasonu]

l'm talking darran around to go bucket racing as well

Is that Darrin Gossamer by chance???

[mossy1200]

Its over 600 and still going ill just keep looking. If anyone has a good bike they dont use pm me but guys I dont have large coin at the moment and it needs to be close to welly maybe Palmy, Wanga at max away.

Always willing to swap some house electrical work as part payment also.

[crazy man]

Is that Darrin Gossamer by chance???nope, Darren Calder

[mossy1200]

nope, Darren Calder

Havent seen Darren for a while. Does he still have my old fzr1000 and is he racing it?

[F5 Dave]

Is that Darrin Gossamer by chance???
Almost got Gossy to come to Easter meet. Never showed thou.

[koba]

Its over 600 and still going ill just keep looking. If anyone has a good bike they dont use pm me but guys I dont have large coin at the moment and it needs to be close to welly maybe Palmy, Wanga at max away.

Always willing to swap some house electrical work as part payment also.

TF125 is a cheap motor to look for, they sometimes go for $50 or so. Quite a bit of work (Lots of time, not heaps of dosh) can see them decently fast.

[crazy man]

TF125 is a cheap motor to look for, they sometimes go for $50 or so. Quite a bit of work (Lots of time, not heaps of dosh) can see them decently fast.thats what l would use . l built one years ago still have it , it would suit a taller rider .

[worm13]

thats what l would use . l built one years ago still have it , it would suit a taller rider .

OMG are you gonna part with a bucket, your old mans garage would go into shock :) I call next dibs hahaha

[crazy man]

OMG are you gonna part with a bucket, your old mans garage would go into shock :) I call next dibs hahahano way man! me part with one of my 10 buckets! what are you on dude lol

[Bert]

no way man! me part with one of my 10 buckets! what are you on dude lol

10:nya:
last time I looked it was nearly 10 for each family member....:lol:


On hopes and dreams mate!! I forgot that you like to turn up with at least 10 bikes!! I would love to witness that again!!

yes it was a sight to behold; don't forget the matching leathers.


some people are just greedy!! he thinks hes as big a rossi and has the "A" bike and then the a back up bike to that and then theres the "B" bike and a back up bike for that and the list goes on I think he said hes got a "J" bike so im picking that would be close to the end of his list

"Preserving Heritage" not greedy.. :lol:

[worm13]

no way man! me part with one of my 10 buckets! what are you on dude lol

On hopes and dreams mate!! I forgot that you like to turn up with at least 10 bikes!! I would love to witness that again!!

[worm13]

10:nya:
last time I looked it was nearly 10 for each family member....:lol:

some people are just greedy!! he thinks hes as big a rossi and has the "A" bike and then the a back up bike to that and then theres the "B" bike and a back up bike for that and the list goes on I think he said hes got a "J" bike so im picking that would be close to the end of his list

[crazy man]

some people are just greedy!! he thinks hes as big a rossi and has the "A" bike and then the a back up bike to that and then theres the "B" bike and a back up bike for that and the list goes on I think he said hes got a "J" bike so im picking that would be close to the end of his listl thought you had the j bike? or was it just the rider lol

[worm13]

l thought you had the j bike? or was it just the rider lol

Na mate of Z bike I dont have choices my friend, I use to have a "A" bike and "B" bike but its now become a combo and now its just z bike

[worm13]

[QUOTE=Bert;1130307861]10:nya:
last time I looked it was nearly 10 for each family member....:lol:



yes it was a sight to behold; don't forget the matching leathers.



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Hahaha Yeah matching leathers like a boss, daves bike use to crack me up with the amount of stickers the bike had mainly with the rugby players faces on it. Also how he had knee sliders on his elbows, when I first saw that I thought wow hes pretty keen for an old guy hahahaha

[crazy man]

[QUOTE=Bert;1130307861]10:nya:
last time I looked it was nearly 10 for each family member....:lol:



yes it was a sight to behold; don't forget the matching leathers.



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Hahaha Yeah matching leathers like a boss, daves bike use to crack me up with the amount of stickers the bike had mainly with the rugby players faces on it. Also how he had knee sliders on his elbows, when I first saw that I thought wow hes pretty keen for an old guy hahahaha rugby players faces lmao. well he did srape his elbows on the tarseal ( when crashing ) he is planing on racing again at 65 . we should list the bikes we have had over the years

[kel]

Why go mini motard? (or is this just refering to the engine size?) I have a 1989 KX125 for sale sure the motor cant be used but the chassis could be turned into a crazy motard bucket. $200 if anyones interested.

Sold! Not going to be turned into a bucket motard though.

[jasonu]

Its over 600 and still going ill just keep looking. If anyone has a good bike they dont use pm me but guys I dont have large coin at the moment and it needs to be close to welly maybe Palmy, Wanga at max away.

Always willing to swap some house electrical work as part payment also.

How about this for FREE
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/149036-RG150-frame-free-to-a-good-home

[Hyper Micro Motard]

HI guys, I have just bought a FXR155Z Mini motard and will have at the next round of buckets. I have got together three of us with more coming in soon.Bikes are really nicely made, and ready to go out of the box. If youve got a mini motard break it out and bring it down. Frank from NZmotor factory is willing to cut deals to get a grid out there.



Dont talk about it, do it!

[jasonu]

HI guys, I have just bought a FXR155Z Mini motard and will have at the next round of buckets. I have got together three of us with more coming in soon.Bikes are really nicely made, and ready to go out of the box. If youve got a mini motard break it out and bring it down. Frank from NZmotor factory is willing to cut deals to get a grid out there.



Dont talk about it, do it!

Shame it is not Bucket legal. Check the rule book and you will find 155cc is over the F4 capacity limit. Not to mention the fact that they are advertised as a 'competition' bike.
Also, have a thouough read of this thread if you haven't already.

[kel]

Check the rule book and you will find 155cc is over the F4 capacity limit.

158.09cc is the limit. Might be time to pick up a current rule book :shutup:

[jasonu]

158.09cc is the limit. Might be time to pick up a current rule book :shutup:

Does that include over bores?

Can you post a direct link to the buckets part of the book as I couldn't find it.

[kel]

Yes, 158.09 is the max capacity for rebored engines.
Try this link
http://www.amcc.org.nz/uploads/richassets/Chapter_24_Miniature_Road_Racing.pdf
Did you catch that vid from Kaitoke a couple of weeks back with the mini motard rider playing superman over the pile up, the buggers are dangerous even when they're behind the action

[ac3_snow]

MINIATURE ROAD RACING
Championship Classes
Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes:
F4
2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled
4 stroke 55-150cc


F5
2 stroke 0-50cc
4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled

Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class:
2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled
4 stroke 55-150cc

The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be:
F4
2 stroke 55-100cc - 104cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc
4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc
F5
2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc
4 stroke 0-100cc - 104c

As per Appendix D of the MNZ rules, found here: http://mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx
Or go straight to Appendix D here: http://mnz.co.nz/download/2012_MoMS_Appendix_D_Racing&Championship_Classes.pdf

[jasonu]

Yes, 158.09 is the max capacity for rebored engines.
Try this link
http://www.amcc.org.nz/uploads/richassets/Chapter_24_Miniature_Road_Racing.pdf
Did you catch that vid from Kaitoke a couple of weeks back with the mini motard rider playing superman over the pile up, the buggers are dangerous even when they're behind the action

Na missed the vid linky please.
As for the capacity topic, I remember this being kicked around before. Rules say F4 4t is 150 but allowable rebore size is 158.09 as you said. So surely the original capacity of the machine should be 150??? That is the way I see it and I think that is most likely the intent of the rule.
Maybe MNZ should be asked to make the decision...<_<

[ac3_snow]

Maybe MNZ should be asked to make the decision...<_<

Don't think that's necessary, in my opinion its pretty clear, original capacity should be 150, not 155. In saying that, there is a bike which I'm pretty sure is the aforementioned forza 155 (I do not know this for sure) being ridden at mt welly in the b grade.

[kel]

Na missed the vid linky please.
As for the capacity topic, I remember this being kicked around before. Rules say F4 4t is 150 but allowable rebore size is 158.09 as you said. So surely the original capacity of the machine should be 150??? That is the way I see it and I think that is most likely the intent of the rule.
Maybe MNZ should be asked to make the decision...<_<

Of course you're right, I just enjoy winding you up


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[jasonu]

Of course you're right, I just enjoy winding you up


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Yes mate the fishing is easy eh. I've not got much else to do though.

[ajturbo]

Yes mate the fishing is easy eh. I've not got much else to do though.


i just wonder how many times we have to tell people about the rules.ffs...:no:

[Yow Ling]

I think it's the importer Frank trying to drum up some business

[Yow Ling]

Of course you're right, I just enjoy winding you up


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that video is great, man u guys crash good, was almost a straight road

[Str8 Jacket]

I think it's the importer Frank trying to drum up some business

For sure, it's pretty obvious eh!

FFS, this topic has been done and done.

[F5 Dave]

that video is great, man u guys crash good, was almost a straight road
Well it is B grade, but that corner is in 3 dimensions. I can find some spare room if you come up for a Kaitoke meeting. It really is a great track.

[daveo]

would this be legal to race with the wellington buckets?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/pocket-pit-bikes/auction-472830080.htm

Also what was the consensus on the fxr155z? If I turned up to the Wellington bucket race meetings could I race it?

[F5 Dave]

They really don't make good buckets, legality aside. buy a bucket & come have a decent play.

[Hyper Micro Motard]

Do it Daveo, me and two mates have bought them and will be freqenting Mt Welly, Got ours for less than 2k. Great bike that screams to be caned!
I am not the importer just another chap like yourself looking to particapate in a bit of awesome fun. I use mine on the dirt too, cant do that on a street based bucket. The more the merrier I say, be it a new one or secondhand pit bike with slicks, at least youve got options, dirt /tarmac.

[jasonu]

HI guys, I have just bought a FXR155Z Mini motard and will have at the next round of buckets. I have got together three of us with more coming in soon.Bikes are really nicely made, and ready to go out of the box. If youve got a mini motard break it out and bring it down. Frank from NZmotor factory is willing to cut deals to get a grid out there.



Dont talk about it, do it!


would this be legal to race with the wellington buckets?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/pocket-pit-bikes/auction-472830080.htm

Also what was the consensus on the fxr155z? If I turned up to the Wellington bucket race meetings could I race it?


Do it Daveo, me and two mates have bought them and will be freqenting Mt Welly, Got ours for less than 2k. Great bike that screams to be caned!
I am not the importer just another chap like yourself looking to particapate in a bit of awesome fun. I use mine on the dirt too, cant do that on a street based bucket. The more the merrier I say, be it a new one or secondhand pit bike with slicks, at least youve got options, dirt /tarmac.

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[Buckets4Me]

Do it Daveo, me and two mates have bought them and will be freqenting Mt Welly, Got ours for less than 2k. Great bike that screams to be caned!
I am not the importer just another chap like yourself looking to particapate in a bit of awesome fun. I use mine on the dirt too, cant do that on a street based bucket. The more the merrier I say, be it a new one or secondhand pit bike with slicks, at least youve got options, dirt /tarmac.



my GP125 bucket had nobly tyres on it when I got it for $150
and get's used on the dirt every time I try and take someone on the out side :laugh: (dosent handle quite so well with slicks )

[F5 Dave]

I sold my GP100 with knobblies on it for $150, but I know where it is, still going after another 15 years as a riding school hack (without the knobblies of course). Must be the going price.

[Hyper Micro Motard]

I raced the last meeting at mt welly, no problems with legality. Bike was mid pack in A grade. Had an awesome time. A great group people. Nylon rear tire a bit soft, other then that bike didnt miss a beat.

[Buckets4Me]

I raced the last meeting at mt welly, no problems with legality. Bike was mid pack in A grade. Had an awesome time. A great group people. Nylon rear tire a bit soft, other then that bike didnt miss a beat.

for the same price you could have this

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-491150249.htm

[F5 Dave]

So you mean nobody protested you, not that it was intrinsically legal.

[gav]

Just cos they let you race doesnt make your bike legal! :brick:

[Buckets4Me]

Just cos they let you race doesnt make your bike legal! :brick:

JC's a nice man and so are the rest of them (he also has let an rg150 race there before)

[Pumba]

FFS can we not let this DIE! Sick of seeing this shit pop up. Everything that can be said has been said.

Mods I personally request that the tread is locked.

[Drew]

Fuck that, I wanna hear every time the bike races!

[gav]

JC's a nice man and so are the rest of them (he also has let an rg150 race there before)
Yep, exactly, turn up and race it if they let you, good for you .... maybe if you enjoy it you might decide to buy a legal bucket ....

[Dutchee]

Mods I personally request that the tread is locked.
Not sure how you lock a tread. Or is that when you run out of rubber and hit the nylon in the carcass - the tread's now locked? I'd use the word f*cked, rather than locked.

Or, are you meaning, when you lock up the back wheel?

[Buckets4Me]

Yep, exactly, turn up and race it if they let you, good for you .... maybe if you enjoy it you might decide to buy a legal bucket ....

thats the idear

[Dutchee]

Fuck that, I wanna hear every time the bike races!
They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.

[Drew]

They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.Ok, couple things in here to cover.

If there is a danger from their presence then I am all for getting rid of it. However, it is more the rider than the bike. It's quite easy to bring a pit bike that isn't illegal after all.

You do not need help with the fee. It cost's $50 to lodge a protest, and cost $500 if it gets thrown out.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ok, couple things in here to cover.

If there is a danger from their presence then I am all for getting rid of it. However, it is more the rider than the bike. It's quite easy to bring a pit bike that isn't illegal after all.

You do not need help with the fee. It cost's $50 to lodge a protest, and cost $500 if it gets thrown out.

It's cost $50 to lodge a protest and cost the person being convicted $500 to appeal it and even if they win they are out of $500. Don't ask me how I know. So unless you are sure that someone is recklessly rule breaking at a MNZ permitted race meeting be careful as I can assure you that a $500 ping to the pocket can seriously fuck a man off.

As for the pitbikes and people thinking they are "Race engines" you have to be kidding me. They are based off a old honda motor from the 80's and have two valves for fucks sake. It doesn't matter if the ad says "Race bike". does it mean if I buy one off someone that doesn't advertise them as race bike it is ok? Or if I buy the motor as a Honda CT110 replacement then put it in a pitbike frame it's now legal?

I have no idea about the people one the bikes in mention and it sounds like they are the problem not the bike. But as for the bike if they are competition motors then FXR150s are fucken motogp engines.

[Pumba]

Michelle, I presume you are referring to the one I saw out there today? Sorry to hear you had issues. Regardless of the engine part of the argument I was not impressed by the mortard style being adopted on the track. That is of greater concern to me.

[Rick 52]

The pit bike with small wheels and average rubber paired with off road suspension makes them harder to ride fast and crash more! Some of the guys are riding with legs dragging super motard style and when they crash they take other riders with them...

[koba]

As for the pitbikes and people thinking they are "Race engines" you have to be kidding me. They are based off a old honda motor from the 80's and have two valves for fucks sake. It doesn't matter if the ad says "Race bike". does it mean if I buy one off someone that doesn't advertise them as race bike it is ok? Or if I buy the motor as a Honda CT110 replacement then put it in a pitbike frame it's now legal?


The "Based off" argument is crap, BMW ran turbo F1 cars "based off" the production 4 cylinder block.

This (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2906096/2300_hp_sbc_wow_small_block_from_nelson_racing_eng ines/) is "based off" an old motor from the '50's with only 2 valves per pot.

Sure, they are extreme examples but they illustrate how different "non-competition' is from 'based off non-competition' or 'non-competition designed' or whatever.

Not all pitbikes are the same, some have some real fruity shit in them. Many, although not all, are very far from a CT110. Here (http://www.takegawa.co.jp/2008_takegawa/top_img/ibent/pdf/w_comp_dohc_desmo_j.pdf) is an extreme example. (quite cool actually)

As for the wording of the advertising: Yes, ad wording is irrelevant to its legality for buckets that works both ways and that has been part of the problem. A trader advertising them as "buckets" when they really aren't. (he's changed his ad now).

I think (Just my opinion) it should come down to common sense, original Honda clone with a few different bits fits the same bill as a Loncin and perfectly reasonable.
Full Takegawa race engine, no way; it's a competition engine.
Engine that starts bigger than 150cc and is a 'race motor', no - illegal - but maybe some leeway at a club event?
Of course there is also the possibility of buying a pitbike designed with a hot motor that's a road bike or whatever, that's probably legal.

Keep in mind it's important for new people who want to buy bikes to have a chance at making an informed purchasing decision that doesn't see them drop a load of coin on a bike that they don't know is at least contentious.

Have a good read over this thread, there are some reasonable arguments each way.

[bucketracer]

They raced, they crashed.... I do not think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.


The pit bike with small wheels and average rubber paired with off road suspension makes them harder to ride fast and crash more! Some of the guys are riding with legs dragging super motard style and when they crash they take other riders with them...

What I have seen of pit bikes is, they are self eliminating and don't last long, one young hot shoe today at Mt Welly took an ambo ride. Now you can't keep doing that and place well in a race series. Most dickheads dads figure it out eventually.

[Dutchee]

What I have seen of pit bikes is, they are self eliminating and don't last long, one young hot shoe today at Mt Welly took an ambo ride. Now you can't keep doing that and place well in a race series. Most dickheads dads figure it out eventually.

Not all the mini riders have dads buying their bikes. Some of them seem old enough to buy their own or maybe buy them for their kids.

The riders take different lines, hang their feet out in the breeze, crash way more than anyone else. Saturday there were 4 or 6 of them. they tack onto each other, carve up other riders and I will no longer go out on the track with them.

we had a briefing on Saturday and were told we were doing some transponder testing, so naturally they come out with us, with no transponder. F5 is racing first, so they go to come out on the track (along with some other b grade racers, I admit). they talk about we want to have fun, well, so do the rest of us, and for me, you guys are taking away my fun.

a few times yesterday you'd see a pit bike on the deck, tangled with a bucket. I've gone from not really caring one way or another to thinking they should disappear.
#6 FXR100 female pilot - pretty easy to find me at buckets. Saturdays I can be found at sign-on or trackside waving a start finish flag, so I'm not hiding behind my keyboard.
Michelle

[Kendog]

We had the same problem a few years ago Michelle.

A group of your guys turned up with a pit bike, in one afternoon they took out three buckets because of the different riding style.
They were talked to (told to sort their shit out) and never came back.

IMO if a pit bike races with buckets it need to race feet on the pegs. If there are enough of them to race in their own class, even better.

[Yow Ling]

Are these issues the same as the ones experienced by the other MNZ classes which ended with the motards being excluded from racing with F3 etc, sounds the same , crazy lines , leg out etc. Could these rules be adopted if the problem is big enough.
When motards are mixed with road racers down here there are rules to prevent them doing the leg out style but I recall there was a handlebar height rule as well to exclude them, not sure if it is still in force

[avgas]

Can I race this in buckets?
http://www.fahrschule-richau.de/images/Fahrzeuge/800px/Yamaha_TW_125.jpg

[Yow Ling]

Can I race this in buckets?


Yup of course

[Kendog]

Are these issues the same as the ones experienced by the other MNZ classes
From what I know, it is basically the same issues.

[Drew]

From what I know, it is basically the same issues.

Near as I can tell, yeah it's the same. Funny thing though, Bruce Telford well and truely proved that riding a motard on tarmac is faster with a knee out than a foot.

So to get around the bar rules, a set of clip ons and your motard is now legal for formula racing again...And faster.

[avgas]

Yup of course
What about this?
http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/suzuki-dr-125-se/suzuki-dr-125-se-10.jpg

[Drew]

What about this?

If it's 150cc or smaller, yip.

[jasonu]

Can of worms and an opener. Horse and open gate. Now they have been allowed to participate it will be hard to get rid of them.
The biggest mistake is that these machines have been allowed to compete BEFORE their legality has been confirmed. 155cc and 'competition' motors. I know the MNZ have been totally fucking useless in this situation yet they continue to reap the benefits of the sizeable entry fee and license cash Buckets brings in. Someone said there were plenty of crashes involving these pit bikes probably due to the motard style (which IIRC was outlawed in other classes (F3) in the past) and one rider got a ride in an ambulance. Maybe after a nasty pile up happens someone from the MNZ might get of their fat arse and actually come to a meeting for a look and make some sort of decision.
From what I have seen and heard the whole thing stems from some importer trying to sell these shitboxes and Buckets is what they are closest to being illegible for.

[Drew]

Can of worms and an opener. Horse and open gate. Now they have been allowed to participate it will be hard to get rid of them.
The biggest mistake is that these machines have been allowed to compete BEFORE their legality has been confirmed. 155cc and 'competition' motors. I know the MNZ have been totally fucking useless in this situation yet they continue to reap the benefits of the sizeable cash Buckets brings in. Someone said there were plenty of crashes involving these pit bikes probably due to the motard style (which IIRC was outlawed in other classes (F3) in the past) and one rider got a ride in an ambulance. Maybe after a nasty pile up happens someone from the MNZ might get of their fat arse and actually come to a meeting for a look and make some sort of decision.
From what I have seen and heard the whole thing stems from some importer trying to sell these shitboxes and Buckets is what they are closest to being illegible for.


I still don't think they can all be proven to be illegal.

An owner only need say he built the motor from a $200 pit bike he bought, with off the shelf aftermarket non competition bits, and presto, back inside the rules.

[F5 Dave]

What about this?


Will you get to your predictible & moronic point. You don't race, you never will. What are you doing here anyway? Apart from spouting dribble?

[Drew]

Will you get to your predictible & moronic point. You don't race, you never will. What are you doing here anyway? Apart from spouting dribble?

Hey, I haven't raced either yet fuck ya. I'm onto my third bike build though.

[jasonu]

I still don't think they can all be proven to be illegal.

An owner only need say he built the motor from a $200 pit bike he bought, with off the shelf aftermarket non competition bits, and presto, back inside the rules.

Maybe so mate. But IF they (155 Forza) are legal (and I think the 155cc thing will be their biggest hurdle as that is clearly more than the 150cc starting capacity the rules allow for) that should have been proven BEFORE they were allowed on track.
Now there is the issue of motard style riding which, when mixed with conventional road race style riding has been proven dangerous and subsequently outlawed in other MNZ classes.

[F5 Dave]

Hey, I haven't raced either yet fuck ya. I'm onto my third bike build though.
Well you've crashed my bike at a race meet, that's more track action than dribbler time waster. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm getting bored of the dude & think he should find a hobby other than practising soccer skills here.

[Drew]

Maybe so mate. But IF they (155 Forza) are legal (and I think the 155cc thing will be their biggest hurdle as that is clearly more than the 150cc starting capacity the rules allow for) that should have been proven BEFORE they were allowed on track.
Now there is the issue of motard style riding which, when mixed with conventional road race style riding has been proven dangerous and subsequently outlawed in other MNZ classes.

I thought the same, but Steve Mossman has just bought and is fucking with a buck, that is an XL125 200 hybrid thing. It comes in a smidge under the over bore limit, and everyone says go for gold. Steve's a thouroughly good bastard, and his bike is slow as all fuck, and if it were a point of contention he'd fix it, but good for the goose...?

[Drew]

Well you've crashed my bike at a race meet, that's more track action than dribbler time waster. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm getting bored of the dude & think he should find a hobby other than practising soccer skills here.
I've ridden three different buckets now, and still have a 100% crash/ride rate. Higher if you consider that I put Ren's heap of shit down twice at the endurance.

[koba]

I thought the same, but Steve Mossman has just bought and is fucking with a buck, that is an XL125 200 hybrid thing. It comes in a smidge under the over bore limit, and everyone says go for gold. Steve's a thouroughly good bastard, and his bike is slow as all fuck, and if it were a point of contention he'd fix it, but good for the goose...?

I'd say that has started as a 125, thus under 150, whaddya think?

[Drew]

I'd say that has started as a 125, thus under 150, whaddya think?

The rule specifically says "rebore". The sleeve in Steve's bike is as factory.

[Drew]

I'd say that has started as a 125, thus under 150, whaddya think?

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

[blackdog]

'tards with high pegs and clip ons. I think Drew mentioned it and it isn't unheard of.

http://www.europeanjuniorcup.com/ejc/news/detail/ktm-690-duke-impresses-in-testing

[bucketracer]

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

But it didnt leave the factory as a 110


... that is an XL125 200 hybrid thing ...

Which probably did leave the factory as a 125

[richban]

They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.

Sounds like one off them issues that the clerk of the course and riders rep should have sorted on the day. Looks like people need a hand smack. Its fun for all when its working well. If people are riding like fucken then it needs sorting for sure. But you are either a cock or not regardless of what you ride.

[blackdog]

Thanks for the sig quote richban. Succinct, more people should read it.

[Henk]

Sounds like one off them issues that the clerk of the course and riders rep should have sorted on the day. Looks like people need a hand smack. Its fun for all when its working well. If people are riding like fucken then it needs sorting for sure. But you are either a cock or not regardless of what you ride.

we're going through changes and had enough on our plates and with me it didn't really register until later. Next meet I should go talk to some of the organizers, and not be naughty and not comment on here. I was either flagging or trying to do other stuff on the day, as were a lot of the others. the weather didn't help either. My bad, oops.
Michelle (forgot I was logged on as Henk)

[NOID]

I dont see the issue with mini motard in the bucket class as long as they comply with the rules and ride with feet up!!!!! soon it may be me with a mini motard not a Forza etc a real one, something like a CR or RM framed Loncin or other. :whistle: there not that expensive to buy as a rolling frame/exploded 2T !!! and a easy way for buckets to possibly get a few more people to there events as they could race them as a bucket then swap some standard MX rims and trail ride on other weekend. i know my brother who is a motor cross freak is chomping at the bit for me to build a real mini motard as he would like to have a go. I have a motard and have raced it as a motard, i have done trackdays but with feet up always as the course stewards have always inforced this, and i wold not be riding it any other way when up against sports bikes - would be stupid to do so !!!

The real issue is the guys who see some wicked cool stuff on the net and think that it can be replicated on a 155cc forza that they buy off a mate for a box of beer etc, they have no respect for the time and dollars that some people invest in there buckets and just want to ride like Davide Gozzini etc and they WILL end up crashing due to there lack of skill and there rubbish bike

its a real shame for a very small few to ruin/put people off racing

Rant over

[koba]

soon it may be me with a mini motard not a Forza etc a real one, something like a CR or RM framed Loncin or other.

Perfectly legal and quite a good idea. Have you seen the RX125 engined MX bike that's around sometimes? I think its a CR125, goes well and is deceptively light.

[koba]

The rule specifically says "rebore". The sleeve in Steve's bike is as factory.

Could be a technical bad then.

[koba]

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

The previous argument holds merit, this one doesn't.

[Henk]

Perfectly legal and quite a good idea. Have you seen the RX125 engined MX bike that's around sometimes? I think its a CR125, goes well and is deceptively light.

YZ125, seriously cool piece of kit.

[mossy1200]

The rule specifically says "rebore". The sleeve in Steve's bike is as factory.

Nah its started as 185 sleeve and is bored to .25mm over then stroked to 156cc in the spirit of bucket racing. Its one of three with the same set up out of four bikes at the last meeting and xl185 bore with gl145 head, xl185 head, xr200 head xl 125 crank is quite a common bucket build engine delivering massive hp in mine of 13.9hp.
The spirit of the sport is as important as the interpretation of the rulebook.

Factory manufactured bike at 155cc is a little different but sleeve it down to 150cc with a smaller piston a race it then bore it out and put the original piston back into it(piston open).?????????????? Is that legal but not in the spirit.

Im happy if im asked to not run my combo. I would just build a 35+hp 2t with cash since im over invested and theres no turning back now in my wifes eyes as im well beyound the quit out stage in dollar and time terms.

[bucketracer]

Factory manufactured bike at 155cc is a little different but sleeve it down to 150cc with a smaller piston a race it then bore it out and put the original piston back into it(piston open).?????????????? Is that legal but not in the spirit.

Not sure about the legals but the effort would certainly be in the spirit.

[richban]

Not sure about the legals but the effort would certainly be in the spirit.

Totally legal in my book. I have sleeved an FXR down then rebored the sleeve to get back the max cc. Started life as a 150 fucked with it lots then 157 then blew to bits. Stupid wording but easy to work around.

[quallman1234]

What about this?
http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/suzuki-dr-125-se/suzuki-dr-125-se-10.jpg

Been there... Done that...

267334

[F5 Dave]

Don't feed the Troll Kyle.

[Drew]

Don't feed the Troll Kyle.

I gotta say though, I'd love the wheels off that DR. They look light and good sized.

Mmmmmm, spoked alloy rims make me horny.

[F5 Dave]

Keep away from my bike if it rains then, its slippery enough without Mair Juice on the tyres.

I've just finished my 3.5" rim for the back, only issue is it is so wide it can only fit in the last inch of the swingarm adjusters- without rubbing the tyre on the sides of the skinny front of the sw, so I'll have to be careful with gearing options & extra link to allow me to run it.

[NOID]

yea i knew it had been done before, i raced against a couple of then at roys hill (DRZ and a XL125). was also a pitster pro that used to race aswell :clap:

[Shorty_925]

I gotta say though, I'd love the wheels off that DR. They look light and good sized.

Mmmmmm, spoked alloy rims make me horny.

May have the front wheel around somewhere. Think its off a NS50

[Shorty_925]

Been there... Done that...

267334

Thats a competition motorcycle inisit?..

[richban]

Thats a competition motorcycle inisit?..

Nah he was no competition at all.:cool:

[F5 Dave]

And no more than an XL or TS125.

[Shorty_925]

Nah he was no competition at all.:cool:

Maybe that new bike of his will be!

[Shorty_925]

And no more than an XL or TS125.

Both of those would come with lights and everything else to put them on the road, DRZ125's dont. Back to the thread, ive tried the 'motard style' with a DRZ, doesnt work as well as the knee up option, but that could be something to do with the length of leg...

As for motards in with F3, if only there were a few more like this http://www.formula-xtreme.com.au/xtremema.nsf/ae002b388f9db369ca2574ed00200523/0e279af131c40a16ca2579f6007da23f?opendocument out there it would be great.

[Drew]

May have the front wheel around somewhere. Think its off a NS50

How muchy? I need a 17in front quite badly.

[Shorty_925]

On second thought, convice the wife to get a DRZ125, find the spare wheel, got me a bucket again!

[Buckets4Me]

They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.

it was easily sorted when JC was in charge ( if HE thought they where carving people up he would have told them to pack the trailer and dont come back):nono:

just ask Nigel what happens when you start knocking people off

[avgas]

Will you get to your predictible & moronic point. You don't race, you never will. What are you doing here anyway? Apart from spouting dribble?
Actually ex-streetstock 150, as well as hill-climb and trials. But found for the same amount of coin was getting more enjoyment on the road (just personal preference). Always was a fan of the buckets, and sidelined a good 20 years ago. But found that when I had the knack to actually do it - life had changed........also was too big for my gear :killingme

Point it pretty simple - but if you must know, interested to see what peoples thoughts are with off the shelf Japanese dotards for buckets. As it seems that only the Chinese ones are banned........
Which is funny because RG's, AX's, GN's............

Or am I missing something. Is this about wheel size?

[avgas]

Both of those would come with lights and everything else to put them on the road, DRZ125's dont.
New ones do.

However notice there is a stinger on trademe for $1300. So if I had $1300 that's what I would race (while all the purest classic owners would call it sacrilege)

[Shorty_925]

New ones do.

However notice there is a stinger on trademe for $1300. So if I had $1300 that's what I would race (while all the purest classic owners would call it sacrilege)

Cant see any lights on this one: http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Trail/DR-Z125L+Big+Wheel/

[Drew]

Cant see any lights on this one: http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Trail/DR-Z125L+Big+Wheel/

You did see the pic that avgas posted though yeah? The DRZ with lights and motard wheels on it, stood out a bit on account of it being quite a large picture.

[Shorty_925]

That'll be a DR125SM.

[Drew]

That'll be a DR125SM.

Symantics, they are the same bike mechanically I think.

[jasonu]

it was easily sorted when JC was in charge ( if HE thought they where carving people up he would have told them to pack the trailer and dont come back):nono:

just ask Nigel what happens when you start knocking people off

Except JC let anybody race pretty much anything with any old riding gear. Way too loose IMO. When Murray and Lynette were running things you got away with fuck all and your bike and gear HAD to meet proper standards.

[Buckets4Me]

Except JC let anybody race pretty much anything with any old riding gear. Way too loose IMO. When Murray and Lynette were running things you got away with fuck all and your bike and gear HAD to meet proper standards.

sort of but not realy. How many people got hurt ????? not many if any. it's buckets not superbikes

I do see your point thow

[Gigglebutton]

Except JC let anybody race pretty much anything with any old riding gear. Way too loose IMO. When Murray and Lynette were running things you got away with fuck all and your bike and gear HAD to meet proper standards.

I raced when Murray ran buckets. He stopped me from racing because my leathers were scuffed, but they past scutineering for an AMC meeting. John has put the fun back into buckets and with bigger fields better racing.