So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[Edbear]

ok so what if the girl victim in this case grows up to be a murderer??

Unlikely with the family she has. I'd be interested in some stats on it though as I am sure we all know personally women who suffered this.

[Number One]

ok so what if the girl victim in this case grows up to be a murderer??

Neither is 'morally acceptable' and I advocate neither crime.

However her crime would be in retroubution against the individual who hurt her and also he would be and adult. His crime is against and innocent child and involves his abuse of power and control and violence for HIS SEXUAL gratification. To me that's all a deal breaker for having him wandering free and undetected in society!

I wonder whether all those parents of kids who had the convicted child sex abuser working with their wee 5 year olds thinks....

EDIT: Misread your post JimO lol you meant general murderer that's even more straight forward... She's naughty and should be kept away from people if she kills them! Lol if she killed HIM now THAT is interesting!!

[DrunkenMistake]

This is NZ prisons we are talking about, don't believe everything you see in American movies. Especially from a country that imprisons over 1% of its citizens compared to around 0.27% of the NZ adult population being imprisoned.


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[Zedder]

Interesting NZ Herald article:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10789433

[scumdog]

especially from a country that imprisons over 1% of its citizens compared to around 0.27% of the NZ adult population being imprisoned.

No wonder, they dole out meaningful sentences over there, if NZ did the same the percentage would probably be 1% too...

[thecharmed01]

Ok this making excuses bullshit has got to me now.

I know 7 people born and raised in NZ, both male and female, all of which come from Alcoholic, druggie and abusive families, some of which have suffered terrible sexual abuse from the age of 3, by Uncles, brothers and fathers, when they trusted me with their histories and told me of the abuse they have been through I literally cried, things I can't imagine and could never in a million years wish on my worst enemy. I've watched them over the last 10 years struggle with this, watched them go through alcohol and drug abuse and pull themselves out it. None of them have abused another being, none of them have blamed their past for the direction their lives headed. They are all amazing people, and they all "know" right from wrong.

This blaming his past and the abuses he has been through is pathetic. It's weak and it's simply an excuse in my book. This little fuck knows right from wrong. By the way you people make excuses for him comes across as a justification. There is no justification for this crime. He deserves more than 10 years and quite frankly in his case I would support the death penalty. He will not be rehabilitated, he will have people all over the show telling him it's not his fault because of his past, he will hold no remorse and in the end because of this he WILL re-offend.

Stop depending the little shit and hold him 100% accountable for his actions.

He is a monster, nothing more and nothing less.

Firstly, no one is defending him and no one is justifying it either.

I think Edbear hit the nail on the head when he said "Understanding does not mean condoning."


Please don't misunderstand me. It depends on the heart as to how one turns out having had similar history. Some can turn out good people, some turn out to be monsters. In this case I would think that not even his mother or father would do what he did and probably not amy other family member.

Sure they let him down and are hardly an example for anyone, but it was the boy's choice to do what he did. Understanding does not mean condoning.

I really think that some people get extremely hot headed over these issues and they lose their ability to empathise. Personally - and whether some of you who refuse to take a breath will or not, I actually do care - I prefer to try to get my head around how and why people do what they do as it's the only way to understand the disgusting behaviours that some people involve themselves in.
Empathy is something we all have deep down.
And I don't think we have to like a person, or respect a person to be empathetic towards their situation - and do note I said I'm empathetic to his "situation" and not his actions, or him - although those who are already being hotheaded will probably not even bother to read this, but skim over and respond with irrelevant rubbish.

I'd like to see him locked up and the key thrown away - but more because I would be gutted if he hurt another child, or worse - if he ever had children of his own. Because then the cycle would continue.

I think that people are the root of all evil.
We are the reason others are like they are - and this type of thread really solidifies it in my mind that people are extremely unfair and often just plain nasty. But we make our world the way it is. There are good people and bad, and even the good people have bad points, or do bad things. They just might not be as bad as others. But part of the bad points of MOST people, is that we are selfish and ignorant and we completely ignore others who need help and we refuse to help them. It's why New Zealand has the highest rate of child abuse related deaths. Because we so frequently turn a blind eye.... leave kids in homes they shouldn't be in.... with parents who aren't parents.... We will walk past a child with bare feet and a rumbling tummy, because "she's not our kid, why should we care" and we will send a child back to a home where he's beaten on a daily basis because "he's not our kid... and his father scares us" instead of stepping in and sticking up for those children who are innocent and have no idea what a real home is, or what a real family unit can be like. We put it all in the too hard basket, instead of giving children the three things that they need. Love, support and nourishment.
Children have no idea how to give love, if they are never given it. They inflict pain, because people who 'loved' them inflicted pain upon them.
Like I said in an earlier post, it was never a case of 'would' Marino offend, but 'when would' he offend.
If you look at his history and his upbringing, no one ever stepped in for this kid, typical in NZ. So it's no surprise he turned out to be a violent sexual offender. I will always wonder, whether he may have turned out differently had he been in a different home environment. Chances are he wouldn't but there is also a chance that he might have, if given opportunities to heal and opportunities to develop his immature brain in a healthy and supportive home environment. Of course, human nature decrees that there is a chance that even with a lot of love and support he might still have turned around and done something awful.... Because people suck.

[Number One]

I really think that some people get extremely hot headed over these issues and they lose their ability to empathise..

I spent a total of 10 months empathising with my father...I even got in contact with 'self proclaimed pedophiles' on an online psychology forum to try to 'understand and empathise' - did me no good whatsoever. In fact all it did do was make coping with what was done harder and more confusing when it was already bloody confusing. Despite my fathers 'normal' upbringing he was still able to use his only childs only child for HIS SEXUAL gratification. Not much to empathise with there really. My take on it is that empathy is a wasted emotion that only serves to make victims feel guilty and even perhaps sorry for the abuser. Not at all healthy also again, no amount of bad conditions excuses this kind of behaviour.

YOU ARE RIGHT though that something should have been done well well before all this. The problem is that it takes more than just one person - it takes a societal cultural shift...lifes hard enough without getting your nose in someone elses shit and it seems to me that most people just don't have the balls to stand up when it's necessary anyway...and why would they? Who the hell would've stepped into a family built on rival gang cultures??!!



Of course, human nature decrees that there is a chance that even with a lot of love and support he might still have turned around and done something awful.... Because people suck.

Yup - some of them really really do suck more than any of us can imagine.

[Pussy]

I spent a total of 10 months empathising with my father...I even got in contact with 'self proclaimed pedophiles' on an online psychology forum to try to 'understand and empathise' - did me no good whatsoever. In fact all it did do was make coping with what was done harder and more confusing when it was already bloody confusing. Despite my fathers 'normal' upbringing he was still able to use his only childs only child for HIS SEXUAL gratification. Not much to empathise with there really. My take on it is that empathy is a wasted emotion that only serves to make victims feel guilty and even perhaps sorry for the abuser. Not at all healthy also again, no amount of bad conditions excuses this kind of behaviour.

YOU ARE RIGHT though that something should have been done well well before all this. The problem is that it takes more than just one person - it takes a societal cultural shift...lifes hard enough without getting your nose in someone elses shit and it seems to me that most people just don't have the balls to stand up when it's necessary anyway...and why would they? Who the hell would've stepped into a family built on rival gang cultures??!!




Yup - some of them really really do suck more than any of us can imagine.

There are too many out there with a soft cock, touchy feely attitude to it all, Sherie.
No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. Roll it in glitter, it's still a turd.
Society seems to tolerate it.
I fucken don't!

[Number One]

Firstly, no one is defending him and no one is justifying it either.

I think Edbear hit the nail on the head when he said "Understanding does not mean condoning."



I really think that some people get extremely hot headed over these issues and they lose their ability to empathise. Personally - and whether some of you who refuse to take a breath will or not, I actually do care - I prefer to try to get my head around how and why people do what they do as it's the only way to understand the disgusting behaviours that some people involve themselves in.
Empathy is something we all have deep down.
And I don't think we have to like a person, or respect a person to be empathetic towards their situation - and do note I said I'm empathetic to his "situation" and not his actions, or him - although those who are already being hotheaded will probably not even bother to read this, but skim over and respond with irrelevant rubbish.

I'd like to see him locked up and the key thrown away - but more because I would be gutted if he hurt another child, or worse - if he ever had children of his own. Because then the cycle would continue.

I think that people are the root of all evil.
We are the reason others are like they are - and this type of thread really solidifies it in my mind that people are extremely unfair and often just plain nasty. But we make our world the way it is. There are good people and bad, and even the good people have bad points, or do bad things. They just might not be as bad as others. But part of the bad points of MOST people, is that we are selfish and ignorant and we completely ignore others who need help and we refuse to help them. It's why New Zealand has the highest rate of child abuse related deaths. Because we so frequently turn a blind eye.... leave kids in homes they shouldn't be in.... with parents who aren't parents.... We will walk past a child with bare feet and a rumbling tummy, because "she's not our kid, why should we care" and we will send a child back to a home where he's beaten on a daily basis because "he's not our kid... and his father scares us" instead of stepping in and sticking up for those children who are innocent and have no idea what a real home is, or what a real family unit can be like. We put it all in the too hard basket, instead of giving children the three things that they need. Love, support and nourishment.
Children have no idea how to give love, if they are never given it. They inflict pain, because people who 'loved' them inflicted pain upon them.
Like I said in an earlier post, it was never a case of 'would' Marino offend, but 'when would' he offend.
If you look at his history and his upbringing, no one ever stepped in for this kid, typical in NZ. So it's no surprise he turned out to be a violent sexual offender. I will always wonder, whether he may have turned out differently had he been in a different home environment. Chances are he wouldn't but there is also a chance that he might have, if given opportunities to heal and opportunities to develop his immature brain in a healthy and supportive home environment. Of course, human nature decrees that there is a chance that even with a lot of love and support he might still have turned around and done something awful.... Because people suck.

Your red rep made me sad....NOT ;)

What's the point of 'caring about his heart now'??

[thecharmed01]

YOU ARE RIGHT though that something should have been done well well before all this. The problem is that it takes more than just one person - it takes a societal cultural shift...lifes hard enough without getting your nose in someone elses shit and it seems to me that most people just don't have the balls to stand up when it's necessary anyway...and why would they? Who the hell would've stepped into a family built on rival gang cultures??!!

Gangs need to be illegal.
They need to be wiped out, to protect those that are the world's future. If they weren't causing fear and violent situations, maybe more people WOULD stand up for the children that cannot stand up for themselves and maybe along the way stop a few from deteriorating to the criminals they could become.
People also just need to grow a pair when it comes to children being abused and if you see it, or know about it, DO something about it. Don't just leave it to continue!

[Number One]

Gangs need to be illegal. They need to be wiped out

Yeah, that's gonna happen....

[thecharmed01]

Yeah, that's gonna happen....

Hey.. dreams are free right?

[Number One]

Hey.. dreams are free right?

Indeed they are.

[scissorhands]

That Kerikeri boy who killed his school mate and left her in the creek, was younger but not in a gang. Most of these crimes are committed by persons known to the victim and their family.

The ones that aint, like this, are usually violent and probably more traumatic too.

I guess what happens in prison will be the vote, even if he himself was abused as he grew up.

[Winston001]

Ok this making excuses bullshit has got to me now.

It's weak...

Interesting post.

Could you explain what you mean by "Weak" please? A definition.

[scumdog]

There are too many out there with a soft cock, touchy feely attitude to it all, Sherie.
No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd. Roll it in glitter, it's still a turd.
Society seems to tolerate it.
I fucken don't!

Meh, not too far off how I think...

[Swoop]

259045

;)
This is the strange part. The perpetrators enjoy "sexual" stuff, but then get locked up in an isolated cell? Surely the Department of Corrections would be doing everyone a favour by just locking them in the "general prisoner" section of the jails?
They would have all the "pleasure" they require*












*screaming like a bitch
*bending over for the soap
*sucking momma's dick
*bleeding from the anus and mouth
*etc

[Flip]

I only have one thing to say. "BAM" Bikers Against Molesters, its a prison thing.