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Pixie

21st July 2005, 10:49

I'm surprised that no one has ventured to post regarding the DESPICABLE ARSEHOLE who wants to be released from gaol on compassionate grounds,just because he's got terminal cancer and can't help shitting himself.
He and his brother beat a gas station attendant with an iron bar so they could get some lousy cigarettes,and his worthless family,who didn't seem to be concerned by his criminal activities,say that he is a good boy,and just made a bad decision.
His victim seems to be so badly brain damaged that he has forgiven him for the beating.Obviously the vengence center in his brain was damaged.
Perhaps the crim prayed to his god for the other inmates to stop buggering him.The Deity perhaps saw an opportunity to play a cosmic joke on one so deserving,and gave him a cancer that would cause him to lose control of his bowels. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Coyote

21st July 2005, 10:59

He's lucky in a way. The Terminal Cancer will get him out of prison, one way or another

Good things happen to Bad people, and vice versa

SimJen

21st July 2005, 11:01

no decent person makes a bad decision like that.
Let him serve his time, if he dies in prison so be it.
You make your own destiny, that was his.

duckman

21st July 2005, 11:11

You guys are shocking .... We should let him outta jail .... and then hang em .... slowly.

Bring back HANGING!!!! :yes:

Coyote

21st July 2005, 11:14

Bring back HANGING!!!! :yes:
And the guillotine

And crucifixion!!!

We sure as hell don kill ‘em like we use ta

Marmoot

21st July 2005, 11:15

I'd rather watch the tar & feather, actually.... :whistle:

On serious note:
In judicial point of view, I do not think they should release him. This would cause a precedent that could open a loophole where people can get a reason for their sentence to be cut short.

On humanity:
I believe in second chances and genuine remorse if it is present.

P.S.
HEEY!!! 1050?!?!?! I missed my 1000th post mark :no:

Coyote

21st July 2005, 11:16

Oh yes, and don't forget cutting peoples hands off for shoplifting

placidfemme

21st July 2005, 11:51

This is a hard one...

I've had a very close family member die from cancer recently, and am preparing to watch another very close family member go a similar way... from his families point of view I can see and understand why they would want him out of jail...

I believe in do the crime do the time... but also you must consider... cancer treatments don't come cheap, nor do the nurses and doctors and guards who will have to escort him to chemo and raditation and specialist appointments...

Thats OUR tax money going to support some criminal... let him out of prison and let his family carry that burden, that way your not loosing it out of taxes and his family gets to spend what time they need with him...

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 12:00

I believe in do the crime do the time... but also you must consider... cancer treatments don't come cheap, nor do the nurses and doctors and guards who will have to escort him to chemo and raditation and specialist appointments...

Thats OUR tax money going to support some criminal... let him out of prison and let his family carry that burden, that way your not loosing it out of taxes and his family gets to spend what time they need with him...
One way or the other WE will be paying. Treat him? Sure. Just 'delay' it a while.
Oh and bring back the Stocks too.

bugjuice

21st July 2005, 12:01

I say let him rot there. He made the choice to be a dick and rob some gas station. No one forced him to. It's just bad luck he got cancer too. He did the crime, and knew it was wrong when he was doing it. So make him bloody serve the time he's been given. If he wasn't a fukin stupid twat to start with, he wouldn't be in prison, and him and his family must know that. They don't just toss anyone into prison. If he's going to do it again or not in his last days, makes no bloody point. He did it to start with, and he knew it was wrong and he knew he'd most likely be punished for it.

Wolf

21st July 2005, 12:07

Here's my modest proposal - underwhich said offender would die in prison even if he didn't have a terminal disease.

Non-violent thieves - shoplifters, burglars, embezzlers and other species of sneak thief - no jail. Do work-gang stuff to pay back what you stole to those from whom you stole it - with interest. Bummer if you embezzled 2.6million, but you'd die fit.

Rapists, murderers, aggravated robbers, kid fuckers, repeat violent offenders, drunk drivers who cause permanent maiming or death - life imprisonment. Not get-out-to-offend-again-in-7-years "life" imprisonment, but you-will-be-cremated-in-the-courtyard-after-you-die life imprisonment. You leave prison in a small cardboard box (unless you make enough numberplates and sacks to pay back those you harmed and afford a proper urn for yourself).

I would also reintroduce "Weregild" - the price of a person's life or potential life - those who are imprisoned for life for maiming or killing will pay to the family/community of the victim that which the victim would reasonably be expected to have contributed had they not been maimed or killed. Workshops will be set up in prisons to facilitate this repayment.

Children will automatically be assumed to be potential Corporate Directors for the purposes of calculating their weregild.

Costing: Life imprisonment is costly but getting all the thieves out of prison and putting them to work will relieve some of the costs of the prison system. The inmates being made to work will drefray costs as the prisons will sell what they produce. Meals will not be as lavish but still will be nutricious and adequate to sustain life, no TVs, videos, cigarettes, chocolates or other conveniences - they are to be removed from society and they have lost their right to society's pleasures.

They are to remain out of society and work hard to pay back what they took - nothing more. Only the fact that they owe their victims and/or their victims famillies/communities gives them right to food, water, oxygen and more space on this planet than a 150x150x150mm cardboard box...

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 12:18

Wolf for President!! Soon shall be the revolution eh?

Wolf

21st July 2005, 12:33

Wolf for President!! Soon shall be the revolution eh?
A non-violent revolution with no aggravated threats, maiming, killing or blood-loss - I don't believe that even the Exteme Dictator should be exempt from the law...

Drink driving without causing injury - loss of licence for a year per 100mg/l over the limit (or part thereof) and loss of vehicle. Drunk driving whilst still disqualified for previous drunk driving is a sign of recidivistic behaviour and is a second attempt at "indiscriminate murder" (as opposed to targeted murder) - no different to running around firing a weapon into a crowd - life imprisonment with work-detail (subsidise running cost of prison)

Seriously, I think NZ is too lax on crime against people and the community. Someone steals your gear, how does it benefit you that they go to jail? You still have to replace your gear. They should repay you personally. If the government wants its cut to cover running costs/make a profit, fine - build it into the consequence.

Prisons do not deter. At the moment they are to "punish" (any child psychologist can tell you punishment is not effective). Prisons should be to remove dangers to society from society. If a person is deemed enough of a danger to be removed from society, they should never be returned to society. An eighty year-old can still molest young children or wield a gun.

If a person is not a danger to society, they have no cause to be in prison, but their crimes should have natural consequences - you took it, you pay it back.

Lias

21st July 2005, 12:35

I Like it.

I still say a .357 magnum administered to offenders frontal lobe is far cheaper and much more satisfying.

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 12:39

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 12:39

I Like it.

I still say a .357 magnum administered to offenders frontal lobe is far cheaper and much more satisfying.
Otherwise referred to as "A 9mm haemorage" - saves on cost of endless appeals etc.

Wolf

21st July 2005, 12:45

I think his karmic punishment is enough. Why should wardens have to clean him up until he dies?
Let his loving whanau do it. You know, the ones that didn't give a shit about him when he was thieving. We'll still be paying for him, but it's bound to be cheaper at home.
While I think that there is a certain poetic justice about him getting a natural death sentence, we're all dying - including all the other inmates - why should he get time out of prison just because he has a potentailly shorter life span? Or is the idea of prison to teach him some new crimes he can try once he gets out (so we've got to make sure he gets out soon enough to be able to try them out.)

He violently attacked someone - deliberately. I would personally prefer to see him jailed for life on that count alone - then his terminal illness would be a blessing for the system - he won't be living "off the tax-payer" for long.

Lias

21st July 2005, 12:46

I think his karmic punishment is enough. Why should wardens have to clean him up until he dies?
Let his loving whanau do it. You know, the ones that didn't give a shit about him when he was thieving. We'll still be paying for him, but it's bound to be cheaper at home.

Because he wants to die at home, with his family. Part of the price for his crime is that hes going to die cold and lonely in a cell by himself, without his family around. I'm happy to pay the extra taxes to keep him in jail just for the satisfaction of knowing that he's going to die alone in their, and that the mental anguish from that might actually be a real punishment for comitting a heinous crime.

Ixion

21st July 2005, 12:46

I Like it.

I still say a .357 magnum administered to offenders frontal lobe is far cheaper and much more satisfying.

No, that is inefficent. Base of the skull is the correct place. In theory, y'don't even need a bullet in the cartridge. Just the impact of the exploding gases will sever the spinal cord from the brain stem.

James Deuce

21st July 2005, 12:51

Wolf

21st July 2005, 12:53

No, that is inefficent. Base of the skull is the correct place. In theory, y'don't even need a bullet in the cartridge. Just the impact of the exploding gases will sever the spinal cord from the brain stem.
To borrow from "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels":

I dunno what's scarier, this job or your past...

If you kill 'em, how do we get 'em to repay the damage they've done - as compost they're inferior grade and not worth much per kilo...

Remember, you can shear a sheep yearly but skin it only once.

Ixion

21st July 2005, 12:54

Who's been watching the Auswitch documentary then? WHo said blanks were harmless?

No, don't know about that. hardly ever watch TV m'self. Just picked up a few notions on how to kill people efficiently over the years .

crashe

21st July 2005, 13:11

The parents dont want it on his death certificate stating
"Died in Prison"...

He is in Auckland hospital at the mo under guard... so whether it be Auckland hospital or Prison hospital.. he is gonna die.

He and his brother beat the crap out of a service garage attendant...
He was given 5 years jail time... let him do the time.

If he spends all his time in Auckland hospital, the parents can visit him whenever and die in his mummies arms as he wants to. Hell she can visit him in the prison hospital anytime and he can die in her arms there as well.

Should he go home. NO.

The government have had 3 cases like this in the past few years.
One got declined. They have to really prove that he is gonna die within a short time... and that its not a con.

I do know of some people who are told they have 6 months to live and they last over 2 years..... so how do we really know when he will die.

Wolf

21st July 2005, 13:27

I do know of some people who are told they have 6 months to live and they last over 2 years..... so how do we really know when he will die.
A friend of mine got a tainted blood transfusion during the Falklands War - was HIV positive for a large number of years, got full-blown AIDS then went into remission and is only "HIV positive" now - still alive, has watched a lot of his comrades fall to AIDS in the intervening time. Is married and each day he has with his wife is an extra blessing for them both - there is no guarantee how long you will last with even the nastiest terminal illnesses. According to the "experts", this Scottish Soldier should be at Tir n'an Og by now, head-butting Cu Chulainn and screaming "Stetch thes, Jimmeh!"

Put the crim back in prison hospital and let him serve out his time - the poor bastard he assaulted deserves some sense that "justice" is being served. For all we know he'll survive long enough to go and ruin someone else's life.

Wonko

21st July 2005, 13:58

Who's been watching the Auswitch documentary then? WHo said blanks were harmless?

ever seen what a 5.56 blank does to an apple?

James Deuce

21st July 2005, 14:36

ever seen what a 5.56 blank does to an apple?

No, but I've done a punpkin with a 7.92mm

Wolf

21st July 2005, 15:11

No, but I've done a punpkin with a 7.92mm
Always wanted to try that but was never in the financial league that could afford to blow up a perfectly good pumpkin.

.303 through a tin can full of water has a neat geyser effect...

The report and recoil also has a great effect on a total newbie, too. (we figured he might find even the .22 off-putting so we put him straight onto the lightened SMLE but only because we hadn't twigged to adjusting the gas regulator on the L1A1 at that stage... :devil2: )

Wolf

21st July 2005, 15:16

No, don't know about that. hardly ever watch TV m'self. Just picked up a few notions on how to kill people efficiently over the years .
Must've been fun when you got to progress from the flint knife through the Bronze Age and into the Iron Age...

XTC

21st July 2005, 15:38

No, don't know about that. hardly ever watch TV m'self. Just picked up a few notions on how to kill people efficiently over the years .
Makes mental note to self..... Never ever ever piss Ixion off. :rofl:

Wolf

21st July 2005, 15:43

Makes mental note to self..... Never ever ever piss Ixion off. :rofl:
Nope - and he regenerates faster than the T1000 so you can't kill him. He must have some weakness but it's probably some weird meteor rock or rare element that isn't very abundant on this planet.

Ixion

21st July 2005, 17:14

Must've been fun when you got to progress from the flint knife through the Bronze Age and into the Iron Age...

Freeciv rocks!. I put in my own weapons systems code.

Pixie

21st July 2005, 23:11

SuperDave

21st July 2005, 23:46

I read somewhere that its not uncommon for those being hanged to release their bowels :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: