Idiots overtaking

[Trade_nancy]

Had a ride with the wife pillion from Palmy to Bulls and got slowed at Awahuri by a stream of about 6 cages held up behind a tow job...car wityh trailer os similar...doing about 80k. Held behind the tail of the last cage and waited for a spot to pour it on and pass the lot before getting to the Mount Stewart hill. Saw a group of bikes coming up fast in my mirror - within a second one was half-wheeling me on the left (not happy at this point)...and i saw a cop coming the other way. Guess they would have steamed past me otherwise. As soon as the cop was gone I pulled out and passed half the cars and pulled back into a gap for an oncoming. Pulled out again - checked the mirror and the bikes had stayed right back. Got to the slow tow job just at the intersection on the foot of Mount Stewart and the start of the passing lane...so pulled out to pass him...and right there on MY RIGHT was this tosser with his other 2 bikes passing ME as I was passing the vehicle in front. I felt the missus clench up in fear and must admit my own sphincter tightened as well. I was doinmg 80mph (Brit speedo) and they streamed past up the hill doing maybe 100mph. Pulled to the right and turned off onto a side road before the memorial at the top.
I had hoped they were to stop at Sanson, Bulls or somewhere as it was my plan to give the lead rider a solid smack in the side of the head for putting both our lives on the line for the sake of him flexing his tiny penis.
If u know who you are - don't overtake an overtaker. When u are behind - you can see and know you can do it...but you forget - whoever is in front may shit their pants and veer left or right in panic and kill themselves. Aresholes can be on bikes too. Damn.

[shafty]

I hear what you are saying, but did you check behind before pulling out to pass the last time?

[steve_t]

You need to make sure you check your right before you move right to overtake. Don't just assume that because they stayed back 20 seconds ago that they couldn't be next to you or behind you at the time you decide to pull out. I've had it happen a few times where I've started overtaking two cars and the second car has decided to overtake the car in front without checking where I was and nearly running me off the road. Also, I'm not sure if you're condemning their speed but I'd be hesitant in condemn those going at 100mph when you yourself were speeding.
Sorry to not sound sympathetic but it sounds like everyone needed to exercise more care in this instance. :Police:
Ride safely :ride:

[sinfull]

It's Ok !!! I'm sure they knew you were going to pull out on them and were prepared for the panic flinch of your bike when your Mrs and your sphinkter puckered in unison !

[superman]

Did you head check before overtaking?

Were you indicating for 3 seconds before you started overtaking?

If you saw tossers up your ass why didn't you pull to the side after the cop had gone and let them go be douche bags away from you so you don't have to deal with being in their vicinity?

[schrodingers cat]

Groups of bikes are a bit of a problem full stop.
Wife and I were driving back from Blenhiem yesterday and a group of Harley riders came charging up the road.

Doesn't really bother me so I pulled to the left to leave plenty of room should they wish to squeeze past without crossing the center line.

Most piled through and pulled into the line of traffic to wait for better vision

The TOC was the best rider of the group IMO and was gracious enough to give a little wave to recognise the effort.

Anyway, the bunch of (average) car drivers got into a total head spin and watching their behaviour was a bit frightening. To be fair, most car drvers don't really know how to behave around bikes. They behave differently, esp a cluster of them. With that uncertainty drivers target fixate and get tense which exerbates the problem.

To be honest tho, I'm of the opinion that if someone catchs up to you - let them go. THEN get on with your deal.

I understand your frustration but in life you should focus on the things YOU can control i.e. yourself. What could YOU have done different?


PS - On a different subject but needing to get if off my chest. Dear Campervan driver, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY.

There I feel better now

[Trade_nancy]

All very feasible - but a touch unsympthathetic sniff, sniff. I did paraphrase too much..here's a better description.
...it was like this...I overtake 2 cars and pull in for a sec or 2...pull out again - yes, indicators on.. i stay on the middle line overtaking WITH MY INDICATOR ON AS IT HAD BEEN FOR THE MAYBE 5 secs of the manouver...and get to a solid yellow and pull in behind the slow tow and sit on his right with my indicator still on, the pass lane hadn't started,,just the cross hatches and I pass on them,...likely 1-2 secs into the pass, now in the actual overtake lane and the slip dick pulls past. When any vehicle is doing overtaking ahead of you..you just have to give them a chance to get it done or get out "of my way"...these guys were just showoffs who dice with their own lives on each ride..and yesterday took a chance with ours too. Likely these boys were on my tail in a blind spot waiting for clear road on my right. Sorry boys - but the WHOLE road lane belongs to the vehcile occupying it...be it car, bus or bike. If u need to overtake - you have to find another lane..or you are overtaking outside the law and outside common sense.

[sinfull]

I think you're being a little presumptuous to think other road users are gonna give you a whole lane even when your entitled to it, be it a car bike bus or truck ! I'm also thinking, You knew they'd come, They gave you the grace of waiting till you'd done a couple of passes ! I'm picking they started passing at the same time as you perhaps a little earlier and you just never saw it coming !

All good though, ya didn't flinch and take one of them out !!!

[superman]

the pass lane hadn't started,,just the cross hatches and I pass on them,...likely 1-2 secs into the pass, now in the actual overtake lane and the slip dick pulls past. When any vehicle is doing overtaking ahead of you..you just have to give them a chance to get it done or get out "of my way"...these guys were just showoffs who dice with their own lives on each ride..and yesterday took a chance with ours too. Likely these boys were on my tail in a blind spot waiting for clear road on my right.

So no head-check?

I mean granted they were in the wrong... but blind-spot checks whenever changing lanes is a must isn't it?

[jrandom]

I like to ride slowly on main highways, and think that it's cool to call cars 'cages' because I've been reading American motorcycling forums.

Everyone who rides faster than me and/or doesn't need a giant envelope of space around them at all times is an idiot.

This probably isn't the right place to complain about those things.

Have you considered doing some trackdays and learning to ride? I'm not sure that it'd help your terrible situational awareness, but it might improve your mediocre machine control skills.

:sunny:

[MSTRS]

Sorry boys - but the WHOLE road lane belongs to the vehcile occupying it...be it car, bus or bike.

No it doesn't.
Have a refresher read of the road code.

[ducatilover]

Paragraphs are your friends. :rolleyes:

[nosebleed]

..Nice little piece of Americanisation...

At least he wasn't canyon riding.
That one kills a little piece of me each time I see it on here.

[jrandom]

At least he wasn't canyon riding.
That one kills a little piece of me each time I see it on here.

Canyon carving, dude. Canyon carving.

Always makes me think of, like, glaciers.

[superman]

No it doesn't.
Have a refresher read of the road code.

Oooo that's very true I completely forgot. You may overtake on the right of a moving vehicle within their lane. That's the reason lane-splitting is kind of legal correct?

Imagine though, no passing tractors, bicycles etc. Because you'll be sharing the lane with them :lol:

[Ender EnZed]

I certainly wouldn't pass another bike already doing 80mph in a passing lane and the term idiots is probably appropriate for your overtakers. However, given you already knew that a group of bikes had arrived behind you travelling quite fast then it really shouldn't come as a surprise to discover all sorts of stupid shit going on.


I understand your frustration but in life you should focus on the things YOU can control i.e. yourself. What could YOU have done different?

+1

It sounds like this situation could've been avoided by a simple head check. If you knew where they were then you wouldn't have been startled. Alternatively, if it was obvious that they wanted to ride faster than you (and it was) then you could have simply let them pass you before doing your own overtaking.

[James Deuce]

Burn them! Burn them all!

[Subike]

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.

[FJRider]

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.

+ 1 ... I actually find in such circumstances ... passing lanes a quite dangerous place to pass. Those near the front of the queue believing theirs is the "right" to overtake first. Add to the equation ... those with more ability or determination ... it can get crowded at the merge point, with vehicles travelling at speed with little inclination to back off ...

Picking one vehicle at a time ... in quick bursts ... either prior to, or soon after the passing lane ... with fewer vehicles in your immediate vicinity ... safer.

[actungbaby]

god dam thats some speed the ton seriously do u have go that fast i can get past at 120kph even uphill
and i only got 1600cc mx5

I always look over my shoulder as i made that mistake in chch many years ago like 25
I was riding my old xl 100 k2 didnt look over shoulder didnt have mirror opps i check in the shed.
Nope no mirros that side got conoe sitting on it at moment.
Yeah went turn right inot look at tommys yamaha st asphes street dude went overtake me moved over the handle bar
scraped side of his car right way along took his chrome do la of .. that shows how long ago was
Gezz gave me hell freight , its that freight and what chould happend got u all fired up
No use hitting anyone already been dusted main thing i didnt come of he was okay .. at time i was like oh man he
Going be so angry with me i knew was my fault. he was like mate... you okay so was all good got call
From him and i paid for new strip on his care End of was alll good , but always look over shoulder after that
Even with Mirror On the good bikes i rode


Had a ride with the wife pillion from Palmy to Bulls and got slowed at Awahuri by a stream of about 6 cages held up behind a tow job...car wityh trailer os similar...doing about 80k. Held behind the tail of the last cage and waited for a spot to pour it on and pass the lot before getting to the Mount Stewart hill. Saw a group of bikes coming up fast in my mirror - within a second one was half-wheeling me on the left (not happy at this point)...and i saw a cop coming the other way. Guess they would have steamed past me otherwise. As soon as the cop was gone I pulled out and passed half the cars and pulled back into a gap for an oncoming. Pulled out again - checked the mirror and the bikes had stayed right back. Got to the slow tow job just at the intersection on the foot of Mount Stewart and the start of the passing lane...so pulled out to pass him...and right there on MY RIGHT was this tosser with his other 2 bikes passing ME as I was passing the vehicle in front. I felt the missus clench up in fear and must admit my own sphincter tightened as well. I was doinmg 80mph (Brit speedo) and they streamed past up the hill doing maybe 100mph. Pulled to the right and turned off onto a side road before the memorial at the top.
I had hoped they were to stop at Sanson, Bulls or somewhere as it was my plan to give the lead rider a solid smack in the side of the head for putting both our lives on the line for the sake of him flexing his tiny penis.
If u know who you are - don't overtake an overtaker. When u are behind - you can see and know you can do it...but you forget - whoever is in front may shit their pants and veer left or right in panic and kill themselves. Aresholes can be on bikes too. Damn.

[actungbaby]

Feck mate i just whan alot behind esp when i pass and you know dude behind you make sure both got the room
Other wise you Know you going stand on the brakes to make room where there is none in front you for his car or bike.
And leave room behind so can break if do go past so there slingshot is better and can pull in avoid head on its mazing some
Fools over take more than one vechile in one pass aghhhh , u there thinking shit am i going witness and get wreakage flying past or end up wearing it ..
So most times unless its truck i just stay in slow lane on left lifes to short dude

mind you never taken pillion well only once since crashed inot side car 70kph down moorehouse ave put me of taking Pillions dont want on me to hurt somone esle

Gezz i did dumb thing in my mx5 i thought was in passing lane as was temp conning on state highway was other side the bloody road hell !!!!! in hand cart i was like sorry honey dam pissed at myself in are little car too
Dam fool that was cock up....soon got back into right lane when saw car comming aghhhh

Other time i went overtake in mxer and was in 2nd to get the accertation cut to fine and dam thing hit rev limiter was hold it in gear or change up so held it in gear damm .. was just before corner dum ass take 2 . me
I surpose in 30 years not to bad but only takes one silly split second decsion and your in the pine box brother

+ 1 ... I actually find in such circumstances ... passing lanes a quite dangerous place to pass. Those near the front of the queue believing theirs is the "right" to overtake first. Add to the equation ... those with more ability or determination ... it can get crowded at the merge point, with vehicles travelling at speed with little inclination to back off ...

Picking one vehicle at a time ... in quick bursts ... either prior to, or soon after the passing lane ... with fewer vehicles in your immediate vicinity ... safer.

[Katman]

word


It's a shame that many won't bother to try deciphering your posts.

There's many a word of wisdom in them.

[FJRider]

It's a shame that many won't bother to try deciphering your posts.

There's many a word of wisdom in them.

I'm just waiting for the English translation .... :rolleyes:

[Trade_nancy]

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.
Yep I agree SHAFTY,...but in this case they had boxed me in riding up on my inside - staying right and overtaking was my preferred option at that nano moment of my brain operation...to get way from these guys - but also I needed to pass several cars and had about 75 to 100 metres of straight road ahead. It was a normal low risk overtake,..no oncoming for a good gap. No threat to pillion.
Couldn't pull off to the left = road has no layby at all for about 200 metres where we were.
Head check?? Someone said - well good idea,..when your rightside on a vehicle aleady passing and veering to the left on a left curve. How much can you see coming behind dude? I dunno - may be wrong,..but my limited physics has me thinking you can't see much around a curve. But - did it anyhow - quick though - can't be looking long and hard when you're overtaking anyway,...nothing seen, the guy was behind somewhere - but at that speed he was likely approaching 50 metres behind as i looked, 20 metres as I passed..and he was 20 metres ahead by the time I finished the overtake.
The whole point I was trying to make here was - don't overtake when a rider, car, truck whatever is clear as day trying to finish an overtake in front.
Speeding - so I'm guilty too? yes. But not when I overtook - that's why the overtake was needed...from 50mph to 70mph. Woohoo! Got up to 80 to pull left into lane and dropped back to 70. Sorry - is that unsafe? If i was on a unicycle going downhill maybe. Somebody here may have an issue with pillioned bikes? Think they have less right to be ahead? Must be overtaken!

Nope - I had no issue with their road speed as such,...I can do 100mph...doesn't take skill to twist the throttle eh?
It's been 35 years since I rode track - one day only at Manfield on an RD350. I was no good...and didn't go back.
All this debate about headchecks, mirror checks and so on is great - but when someone is riding to track racing form and expects everything in front to be as responsive as a competition rider - even the most careful slowjo rider with truck mirrors is going to get nailed. Although - I would agree with the comment about Advanced rider courses - everyone would benefit if everyone did one. Still may do that.

Whoever said - check the road code re: overtaking in same lane - suggest you need the refresher..not in road code maybe - more in simple common sense, if you advocate lane sharing during uphill turns while overtaking large vehicles.
Anyway - another day another ride today and no complaints. Traffic to and from Wellington was at snail pace.

[Captain_Salty]

I have found some suv drivers to be the worst to get past. Instead of maintaining a constant speed or perhaps keeping to the left, they try and weave through the twisties, crossing white lines on either side and then gunning it on the straights:rolleyes:
The worst recently was a guy with his wife and a kid in the back, getting his left rear about 2 feet over the left white line on a right hand bend.

[Trade_nancy]

I have found some suv drivers to be the worst to get past. Instead of maintaining a constant speed or perhaps keeping to the left, they try and weave through the twisties, crossing white lines on either side and then gunning it on the straights:rolleyes:
The worst recently was a guy with his wife and a kid in the back, getting his left rear about 2 feet over the left white line on a right hand bend.
Horse floats being towed by an SUV....now you're talking "I own the road"...

[FJRider]

Horse floats being towed by an SUV....now you're talking "I own the road"...

Lean on the horn and get the horse jumping about ... they pull over then ... :blank:

[Subike]

Yep I agree SHAFTY,....

after reading this further information, I can see that you were limited in your choice.
not being there, knowing the section of road and other factors,
your frustration seems to be justified.
Is there room for us to learn from your experience?
If it makes us more aware of potential situations in the future
maybe it will assist us to be safer riders ,
Being able to observe similar situations,
remember this discussion,
and act accordingly

[Swoop]

Horse floats being towed by an SUV....now you're talking "I own the road"...

Horse floats should be illegal. Horses are a form of transport and should be ridden to-from a destination.

[yungatart]

Horse floats should be illegal. Horses are a form of transport and should be ridden to-from a destination.

What? Like race bikes?

[sinfull]

another day another ride today and no complaints. Traffic to and from Wellington was at snail pace.
What, You never overtook em ?

[Spearfish]

god dam thats some speed the ton seriously do u have go that fast i can get past at 120kph even uphill
and i only got 1600cc mx5

I always look over my shoulder as i made that mistake in chch many years ago like 25
I was riding my old xl 100 k2 didnt look over shoulder didnt have mirror opps i check in the shed.
Nope no mirros that side got conoe sitting on it at moment.
Yeah went turn right inot look at tommys yamaha st asphes street dude went overtake me moved over the handle bar
scraped side of his car right way along took his chrome do la of .. that shows how long ago was
Gezz gave me hell freight , its that freight and what chould happend got u all fired up
No use hitting anyone already been dusted main thing i didnt come of he was okay .. at time i was like oh man he
Going be so angry with me i knew was my fault. he was like mate... you okay so was all good got call
From him and i paid for new strip on his care End of was alll good , but always look over shoulder after that
Even with Mirror On the good bikes i rode

Im not curtain of anything you said here but I did pick out the bit about the XL100:niceone:

[sinfull]

curtain : Just don't draw any conclusions !

[Spearfish]

Just don't draw any conclusions !

er spot the deliberate mistake?

if only they were...

[Kickaha]

What? Like race bikes?

Well I do know a guy who took his F3 bike to Picton in his ute, rode it onto the ferry and then up from Wellington to Manfeild, raced for the weekend then rode it back, so it can be done

[porky]

[QUOTE=Trade_nancy;1130226860,,just the cross hatches and I pass on them,...[/QUOTE]

Not a good move ......if its what i think you are describing....well its a bit of a no no...only time you should be in this area is for turning right...should have taken him on the double yellows, why wait to complete an illegal overtaking manouvre.........

[steve_t]

after reading this further information, I can see that you were limited in your choice.
not being there, knowing the section of road and other factors,
your frustration seems to be justified.
Is there room for us to learn from your experience?
If it makes us more aware of potential situations in the future
maybe it will assist us to be safer riders ,
Being able to observe similar situations,
remember this discussion,
and act accordingly

My lesson learnt is "Don't pull out to overtake when in the middle of a left hand bend because I won't be able to head check and there could be another vehicle to my right" :msn-wink: :niceone:

[davebullet]

Reminds me of the classic advert.. "poor overtaking leads to undertaking".

[mrchips]

Lean on the horn and get the horse jumping about ... they pull over then ... :blank:


Twin yoshi's shure gets em rockin !

Interesting post tho.... If i see bikes coming up from behind / overtaking i ausually move to the left of my lane & let em through, especially with my wife on the back...... same when i'm in the car.

I'd rather be behind em than in front + it gives me the opportunity to check out their bikes. :niceone:

[sinfull]

i ausually move to the left of my lane & let em through, especially with my wife on the back...... same when i'm in the car. :
But they mobbed and surrounded him, he even said in one post he wanted to get away from them


I'd rather be behind em than in front : Tis better to bum than be bummed !!!

[MSTRS]

Whoever said - check the road code re: overtaking in same lane - suggest you need the refresher..not in road code maybe - more in simple common sense, if you advocate lane sharing during uphill turns while overtaking large vehicles.


Ah - that was me, and I don't need the refresher.

http://nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/passing.html

It says

You can pass at a no-passing line if:

you stay on your side of the solid yellow line, and
you can see 100 metres of clear road in front of you for the whole time while you are passing, and
the lane is wide enough for two vehicles.


I don't advocate anything more than lane 'sharing' is legal, given certain conditions.

[Trade_nancy]

What, You never overtook em ?

Didn't seem any point - they were lined up from Paraparaumu as far as the eye could see...decided it was not going to help to overtake any unless I overtook maybe 500..Did see a Ford Explorer do the dreaded overtake at the end of the overtaking lanes at the same place those people just died last week doing the same thing, just south of Paraparaumu. The same black Explorer pulled out from the red shop on the RHS of road heading south - near Raumati..right into our path - we were 4 bikes in a line...he hauled on the gas in a hurry to get away from us...knowing he he had done it...he had no hope of getting across the traffic without cutting someone off I guess. That experience likely had an influence on my behaviour for the rest of the ride....no hurry.

[Trade_nancy]

Ah - that was me, and I don't need the refresher.

http://nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/passing.html

It says


I don't advocate anything more than lane 'sharing' is legal, given certain conditions.
Point taken MSTRS. Mount Stewart used to be 1 lane up and one lane down from memory - years ago...but they add on 4-5 feet and split the lane into 2. Wide enough for 2 bikes though...and from what is shown in the link you posted..the case is clear for a bike to overtake a bike as they did to me...and I'm WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.....and I'd probably expect it to happen if I was on say the WGTN motorway...but would say I'd avoid doing it myself...in case I encountered someone like myself....not being perfect..like most of us. So best to plan for a mistake by the guy up ahead and not shoot the gap doing 90mph.
I take a lesson from the experience too.
Cheers.

[Maha]

....those Manawatu riders can be little buggers sometimes.

[MSTRS]

Point taken MSTRS. Mount Stewart used to be 1 lane up and one lane down from memory - years ago...but they add on 4-5 feet and split the lane into 2. Wide enough for 2 bikes though...and from what is shown in the link you posted..the case is clear for a bike to overtake a bike as they did to me...and I'm WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.....and I'd probably expect it to happen if I was on say the WGTN motorway...but would say I'd avoid doing it myself...in case I encountered someone like myself....not being perfect..like most of us. So best to plan for a mistake by the guy up ahead and not shoot the gap doing 90mph.
I take a lesson from the experience too.
Cheers.

You were not wrong to not be expecting it. It is a rare thing to happen. Expect in cases of slow traffic and lane splitting (which is what this manoeuvre is). But now you are aware it is legal, it may never happen to you again.
What I would say is - ALWAYS expect the unexpected.


....those Manawatu riders can be little buggers sometimes.Only cowboyz...

[Swoop]

What? Like race bikes?
:yes:

Nag-draggers are a problem the nation can do without!

[The Singing Chef]

god dam thats some speed the ton seriously do u have go that fast i can get past at 120kph even uphill
and i only got 1600cc mx5

I always look over my shoulder as i made that mistake in chch many years ago like 25
I was riding my old xl 100 k2 didnt look over shoulder didnt have mirror opps i check in the shed.
Nope no mirros that side got conoe sitting on it at moment.
Yeah went turn right inot look at tommys yamaha st asphes street dude went overtake me moved over the handle bar
scraped side of his car right way along took his chrome do la of .. that shows how long ago was
Gezz gave me hell freight , its that freight and what chould happend got u all fired up
No use hitting anyone already been dusted main thing i didnt come of he was okay .. at time i was like oh man he
Going be so angry with me i knew was my fault. he was like mate... you okay so was all good got call
From him and i paid for new strip on his care End of was alll good , but always look over shoulder after that
Even with Mirror On the good bikes i rode

God I want to punch you.

[sinfull]

God I want to punch you.

wyh ?......

[jasonu]

Well I do know a guy who took his F3 bike to Picton in his ute, rode it onto the ferry and then up from Wellington to Manfeild, raced for the weekend then rode it back, so it can be done

But how did he do at Manfield???

[ducatilover]

God I want to punch you.

Awwwwwwwwww

[curly]

God I want to punch you.

That's how Patrick rolls. He's from Palmerston North.

[The Singing Chef]

Awwwwwwwwww

:spanking:


That's how Patrick rolls. He's from Palmerston North.

Ha, who the hell is Patrick?

[ducatilover]

:spanking:



Ha, who the hell is Patrick?
He is :bleh:

:cool:

[Devil]

Groaning at a lot of the responses here, but not surprised at the reaction. Defensive driving/riding is just a foreign concept to most kiwis.

Sounds like the guys overtaking you were ignorant fuckwits. If you come upon a bike that has already started leapfrogging a line of traffic, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the likelihood of them continuing to do so. Back off, wait your turn.

Yeah yeah signal your intention, do your headchecks etc, but going for the overtake on someone who so clearly is already going through the motions of making their way past the traffic is just fucking stupid and arrogant.

Defensive driving/riding is not putting yourself in a position of danger in the first place.

[Owl]

....those Manawatu riders can be little buggers sometimes.

I don't bugger anyone thank you!:p

[ducatilover]

....those Manawatu riders can be little buggers sometimes.
Me?
Noooooo...

:bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

God I want to punch you in the poo hole.

Bloody lil homo!!

[The Singing Chef]

Bloody lil homo!!

I knew I shouldn't have watched those fisting videos whilst posting...

Lesson learnt.

[The Singing Chef]

He is :bleh:

:cool:

Ahh I see now, was on my phone so hadn't looked at profiles...

Maybe his keyboard is just missing a few keys?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I knew I shouldn't have watched those fisting videos whilst posting...

Lesson learnt.

Hope you don't practice the fisting whilst chefing. Talk about stuffing...

[whowhatwhere]

As a side note, misinterpretation of safe following distance as not wanting to pass the vehicle in front rips my knickers.

[Spearfish]

And another thread turns into a discussion about knocking the pointed ends off turds....:niceone: