I may look happy! But, I'm NOT!

[Ramius]

Hi Guys.

I just wanted to have a bit of a rant. A chance to get things off my shoulder. Now, usually I keep what I feel to myself, but, what better way to clean the laundry, then by airing it...
I think, since February 4th, this is one of the saddest days I have had. As selfish as it may be, it is because of Motorcycles that I am sad. I just want to be out on the roads driving around on my bike, maybe not the Evil blue one I had, but a bike none the less. As I say that, I know I am conflicted. I made an oath to a young lady, who is consequently 4 on Sunday, that I would not ride a bike again. Can I deny who I am though? I know at heart I am a motorcyclist. I love it. There has been no other time in life where I have felt that life had a meaning, being on the road, getting down in the corners, knowing that you are but 1 of a few select people that have this mode of transport.
I find myself parusing Trade-Me, looking at the bikes. Thinking, oh that would be nice to drive, or that, or maybe even that. No, that one is shit, but that one...oh, get me a towel.
My return to work is slated, who the f*ck knows when? I don't know. Really, I don't care. I miss home, I have spent more time away than I have there. Sometimes I feel as if I am the bomb, ready to explode!!!!!!!!!!!! :ar15: (I know I said bomb, and used a picture of a gun, oh well)
I shall go now, and hit my head against the wall over there! :brick:

Somebody one day will say, 'Gee, he really is an angry person.' :angry2:
Yeah, really? You think!

[ManDownUnder]

errr - I don't follow.

Why did you make that promise to Miss 4?

[Motoracer]

You RIDE a motorcycle, not drive! :eyepoke:

[vifferman]

:drinkup: Nearly beer o'clock.

[XTC]

Make another promise to miss 4 that you'll let her have more time on the computer at www.littlestpetshop.com if she forgets all about the other promise you made her..... Or www.starfall.com or..... insert her favourite site here.
My little girl (now 5 1/2) learnt to read before going to school with the help of that starfall site. Bloody marvelous. My 2 1/2 yo twins are also into it. Hard to get my turn on the computer these days.

[Ramius]

You RIDE a motorcycle, not drive! :eyepoke:

Not to be podantic...But...

Drive = # To push, propel, or press onward forcibly; urge forward: drove the horses into the corral.
# To repulse or put to flight by force or influence: drove the attackers away; drove out any thought of failure.
# To guide, control, or direct (a vehicle).

So, really, I like to Drive a motorcycle as it grants more of a knowledge of control.

And as for Miss 4, she is petrified of motorcycles. After my accident (well, before my accident as well) she asked me not to ride again, and so I promised after the accident, that I wouldn't. And, this made her to no end, very happy.

[XTC]

Well you made a promise and now you must keep it to set a good example. :oi-grr:

[ManDownUnder]

And as for Miss 4, she is petrified of motorcycles. After my accident (well, before my accident as well) she asked me not to ride again, and so I promised after the accident, that I wouldn't. And, this made her to no end, very happy.

Tough one chap - wiser minds than mine are required to explain it adequately to her... good luck.

[Smorg]

You shouldn't make promises you can't keep

THE END!!!!!

[Ramius]

You shouldn't make promises you can't keep

THE END!!!!!

Who said I can't keep it? I don't have a motorcycle. I just have it in my veins, and I want it!

[Waylander]

Hmm 5 aye.... Ya could just wait a few years till she forgets all about it.

[Zapf]

tell her you'll be sick if you don't get back on your motorcycle....

and remember that you'll loose a bit of yourself when ever you do something to comply with others wishes but not yours. but I don't mean being selfish.

[Lou Girardin]

Since when did adults keep promises to kids. Growing up is full of adults lies.
Yes, there is a Santa
The Tooth Fairy will come when you're asleep.
No, I won't drive my motorcycle again.

[Waylander]

Since when did adults keep promises to kids. Growing up is full of adults lies.
Yes, there is a Santa
The Tooth Fairy will come when you're asleep.
No, I won't drive my motorcycle again.
there are no monsters in your closet/ under your bed...

[crashe]

Ramius - yep you made a promise to a little girl... BUT.........

Now you are finding that you want to ride again....
You also have to be happy, and at the moment you are not happy, as the pull to the bikes is driving you nuts.

How about sitting the little one down, and having a chat about how you feel.
She will understand. Just promise her this time that you will be careful.

Use some story about how would she feel if she didnt have ????? something she really loves. How would she feel if she no longer could have it.

At four years of age they do understand. Take her to some bike shops and see if she will sit on them... even the little ones... plus the quad bikes.
Show her all the safety gear and the helmets etc....

Is it the bikes itself that frighten her or the noise the bikes makes?.
Some bikes are really quiet and that may help her a bit if its the noise.

But, in time she will understand. Can the parents of the little one help you out as well. Why and what caused her to be so frightened of bikes in the first place.... I think its the noise of them.

You have to be happy mate....

[Oakie]

I can sympathise. I have daughters (thankfully 18 and 21 now) but I learned very early on not to make promises I couldn't keep. There's nothing worse than going back on something and then seeing the hurt look in a little girl's eyes. Throw in a quivering lip and you could easily rip your own heart out.

Just remember that she made you make that promise because she wants to have you around for a lot longer ... she didn't do it to deny you of pleasure.

If you can't keep your promise ... just tell her it makes you very sad not to be able to ride and that if you promise to be very very careful, you would like to get another bike. If you can keep your promise, don't worry. There will always be bikes around in the future and when the time is right ... jump back in.

Funny thing is that while my eldest was horrified of me getting a "two wheeled death machine" (her words) I convinced her to go on the back a couple of times and now she'll find any excuse for me to take her somewhere on the bike instead of the car. So, perhaps you could borrow a scooter and a few rides around the back yard with her might convince little miss four that perhaps bikes are pretty cool.

[inlinefour]

I'd be telling 4 how unhappy you are now that you can't ride. Life is there to be enjoyed. You want to be a spectator or a participant. Life is dangerous, that simple. Go and get a bike, you'll feel much better :devil2:

[crashe]

Ramius - re message left in you know where lol

Get her some ear muffs or kiddies ear plugs when you get a bike or go to a bike shop.... so the noise doesnt hurt her ears.

Her ears are rather sensitive to noise.... and she just needs to learn to adjust to certain noises.

I have seen kiddies who as soon as they hear a bike they cover their ears.

There is a way to help her with this problem...

Get a tape recorder and record bike noises and let her listen to them at a low level. Then slowly turn up the volume.... she will soon adjust to the noise.

Do it over a period of a few days..

[Ixion]

Since when did adults keep promises to kids. Growing up is full of adults lies.
Yes, there is a Santa
The Tooth Fairy will come when you're asleep.
No, I won't drive my motorcycle again.

That's no lie ! There is so a Santa :yes:

[Wolf]

If I promised my three-year-old I'd never ride a bike again, he'd move out of home and disown me.

[ManDownUnder]

How about getting a friend or two over (on their bikes)... if it's the bike she doesn't like... seeing others riding them (and enjoying them) might help you bring it up for discussion...

If it's the noise she's scared of make it a couple of nice quiet bikes... maybe like my RF - big but quiet?

Just a thought - good luck chap
MDU

[Beemer]

Mmn, shakes head, reminds herself of why she didn't want kids anyway...

[Fryin Finn]

Get a dirt bike and get her one too. Then learn to crash to your hearts content off road and realise it dosen't allways have to hurt.

[riffer]

Get a dirt bike and get her one too. Then learn to crash to your hearts content off road and realise it dosen't allways have to hurt.

Not exactly the best advice. It always hurt like hell every time I crashed my dirt bike... :whistle:

[Slingshot]

To me, this seems easy...figure out what's more important to you.


I bet you already know what the answer is.

[ManDownUnder]

To me, this seems easy...figure out what's more important to you.


I bet you already know what the answer is.

Yeah - I see what you're saying - but I'm inclined to say they're both important... so working out a way to work your way through would be the go.

MDU

[White trash]

Shaun. The relashionship aint gonna work mate. If you love bikes that much now, you always will. You'll always resent not having one, she'll always resent you if you get one.

Sorry mate, countries have crumbled for less.

Edit: You're also a miserable looking bugger, not happy. But that aint new. :devil2:

[StoneChucker]

I think you HAVE to get a bike. She is young, she will understand or forget/forgive. If you deny yourself what you obviously want and need, you will suffer in the long run.

Life is so damn short it's not funny. I hope you listen to your heart Shaun. If you get a bike you ARE NOT lying to her or hurting her. You are the adult, and need to make the decisions as such. Sometimes children ask things which are unreasonable yet they just don't realise.

Like I said, life is short and this is about YOU! What's the point if you are unhappy, miserable and depressed just so Miss 4 can have her way, over things she does not understand.

If I could buy a bike tomorrow and go for a ride, I would! Don't waste you life mate...

Hope you make the right choice without too much pain.
Dave

[Ramius]

I think you HAVE to get a bike. She is young, she will understand or forget/forgive. If you deny yourself what you obviously want and need, you will suffer in the long run.

Life is so damn short it's not funny. I hope you listen to your heart Shaun. If you get a bike you ARE NOT lying to her or hurting her. You are the adult, and need to make the decisions as such. Sometimes children ask things which are unreasonable yet they just don't realise.

Like I said, life is short and this is about YOU! What's the point if you are unhappy, miserable and depressed just so Miss 4 can have her way, over things she does not understand.

If I could buy a bike tomorrow and go for a ride, I would! Don't waste you life mate...

Hope you make the right choice without too much pain.
Dave


Sean! Sean! Sorry, I have seen my name spelt wrong twice now. Its all good, I am used to it. You and everyone else who has said it are very wise. Some very great suggestions here. Liking the idea of taking her to a bike shop just so she can see the different types, and show her that they are not just murderbikes. You guys rock! We will see what time brings, as I won't be making any decisions til I get back to Wellington, whenever the hell that will be! Hopefully by Christmas!!! Hope you are well on the mend as well Dave.

[StoneChucker]

Sean

Sorry for the spelling mistake, I copied the spelling I saw on a post before mine. Yeah, on the mend mostly, going in for more "panlbeating" next week - then hopefully on the mend for good.

We must have a drink in December when you come down. Are you still on all those nice pills which you shouldn't drink with? So am I! :) It will be a great night :rofl: :drinkup: :weird: :Punk:

[Ramius]

Sean

Sorry for the spelling mistake, I copied the spelling I saw on a post before mine. Yeah, on the mend mostly, going in for more "panlbeating" next week - then hopefully on the mend for good.

We must have a drink in December when you come down. Are you still on all those nice pills which you shouldn't drink with? So am I! :) It will be a great night :rofl: :drinkup: :weird: :Punk:

Hope all the panel beating works out well for you.
Yes, those pills, love those pills. Progressed up to ones now which have in big bold writing, do not consume alcohol! Beer with those tablets are, well...WOW! Feel as if I have received a promotion! Yes, a drink is called for! I look forward to it!

[White trash]

Sean! Sean! Sorry, I have seen my name spelt wrong twice now.

Wasn't talking to you.......... :whistle:

[campbellluke]

Buy an Evo 7 and get a cop detector.

[White trash]

Buy an Evo 7 and get a cop detector.

4WDs for chicks. (Unless you own a GTR Skyline or a Lamborghini)

[campbellluke]

Buy a GTR Skyline or a Lamborghini and get a cop detector

Never driven either of those cars. But im sure he would be happy with them too. Thanks for input.

[gav]

Simple buy the kid a ride on motorbike for their birthday, just one of the plastic four wheeler ones would be cool.
Otherwise trade rugrat on motorbike..... :whistle:

[Slingshot]

Sean! Sean! Sorry, I have seen my name spelt wrong twice now. Its all good, I am used to it. You and everyone else who has said it are very wise. Some very great suggestions here. Liking the idea of taking her to a bike shop just so she can see the different types, and show her that they are not just murderbikes. You guys rock! We will see what time brings, as I won't be making any decisions til I get back to Wellington, whenever the hell that will be! Hopefully by Christmas!!! Hope you are well on the mend as well Dave.


I've noticed it a bit on here lately...people feel the need to put people's real names in posts.
I've wondered to myself...why?
I might just continue to ponder the question...what's the use of using a nom de plume?

[curious george]

I've noticed it a bit on here lately...people feel the need to put people's real names in posts.
I've wondered to myself...why?
I might just continue to ponder the question...what's the use of using a nom de plume?

Ahhh, it's for those in the know :msn-wink:

[Hitcher]

Four-year-olds understand. And they have short memories. Take her to McDonald's and promise her something else.

[Slingshot]

Ahhh, it's for those in the know :msn-wink:

Or people that want to make it look like they're in the know!!

[White trash]

I've noticed it a bit on here lately...people feel the need to put people's real names in posts.
I've wondered to myself...why?
I might just continue to ponder the question...what's the use of using a nom de plume?

I used it because "Sean" has signed off previous posts with his name, and I've met him and (think) we get on reasonably well.

Alot of folks here use my name, because they know me and generally hate my guts.

[HDTboy]

It's been semi-suggested already, but why not buy her some gear and take her riding with you? Like FROSTY does with his son

[NordieBoy]

Alot of folks here use my name, because they know me and generally hate my guts.

And some don't even know you...

:D

[sels1]

Bribe her mate....every 4yo has a price....... :whistle:

[White trash]

Sorry Ramius, I misread your original post ('cause I can't read) and thought you were talking about your missus, not your daughter.

I have some experiance in this field however and can actually offer some real advice.

At a party one night in the 'Nui, we were all pissed and hooning around on Bruces GT50 on the front lawn (big lawn, land's cheap in Wainuiomata). I was practicing the delecate art of getting my knee down on wet grass. No mean feat, I can assure you. As it happens, I spent a good deal of time falling on my arse. Eden, age 3, (somehow) witnessed the goings on and for weeks she would bring up "Daddy crashed the bike!" :no: all concerned like. She sort of grew out of it after a while but I found that showing her later on how I could repeatedly fall off the bike without hurting myself increased her feeling of security.

I wouldn't recomend repeating your ballsup however.

[ZorsT]

Hopefully by Christmas!!!

well, i just can't wait until i can ride again. Good luck trying to last until christmas

[Ramius]

I've noticed it a bit on here lately...people feel the need to put people's real names in posts.
I've wondered to myself...why?
I might just continue to ponder the question...what's the use of using a nom de plume?

A Non de plume? We are not meant to use our real names? Oh what a bugger, as Ramius is one of my two middle names! I don't mind people using my name, no problems...

[Ramius]

I used it because "Sean" has signed off previous posts with his name, and I've met him and (think) we get on reasonably well.

Alot of folks here use my name, because they know me and generally hate my guts.

Yeah, you're not too bad! However, couldn't find grass to lie my bike down on, so I tried concrete instead, and not content to wash away the concrete magnatism, I thought I would throw my riding gear on the ground too, next time I won't be in them at the time...

Hmmm...How do I get to 'hate my guts' status...something to strive for?!? How are the lights of Aucks treating ya?

[Ramius]

Sorry Ramius, I misread your original post ('cause I can't read) and thought you were talking about your missus, not your daughter.

I have some experiance in this field however and can actually offer some real advice.

At a party one night in the 'Nui, we were all pissed and hooning around on Bruces GT50 on the front lawn (big lawn, land's cheap in Wainuiomata). I was practicing the delecate art of getting my knee down on wet grass. No mean feat, I can assure you. As it happens, I spent a good deal of time falling on my arse. Eden, age 3, (somehow) witnessed the goings on and for weeks she would bring up "Daddy crashed the bike!" :no: all concerned like. She sort of grew out of it after a while but I found that showing her later on how I could repeatedly fall off the bike without hurting myself increased her feeling of security.

I wouldn't recomend repeating your ballsup however.

My Missus? Well, I am sure my ex wouldn't care if I got a bike...crash that F*cker twice is what she would say!
Thanks for that bud. Sort of makes sense, in a WT kind of way. Have to see what I can do when I get back to Welly!!

[unhingedlizard]

what is it that AB song that was on the raido said..

Thats life
you know coming through,
some things are gonna be a part of you.

[Timber020]

You made a promise, we dont make promises because they are easy to keep. Trust is the most important thing you can have with a 4 year old, and she wont forget it. Be a man, be a good father, be as good as your word and stop whining because your finding it tough to live up to promises that you made.

I wouldnt have made THAT promise in the first place (there could be a lesson there), A promise made is a debt unpaid.

[raster]

Get her interested in bikes, I get mobbed when I start my bike, ride daddy.
Electric one for her???? start with a scooter??? might work.
There may be ways without breaking her trust in you, you are her hero, be carefull, trust can be hard to get back.
Try explaining it.

Good luck to you, all things are possible. my lord!

I'll try and remember to not make those sorts of promises.

[Brian d marge]

Get a tape recorder and record bike noises and let her listen to them at a low level. Then slowly turn up the volume.... she will soon adjust to the noise.
.

My wee one was 6 months old at his first MX ,,,Noise ..he LOVED the holeshot but after a few laps ( watching mind u ) he falls asleep,,, Now a year later ,,the same thing ANY mc on the TV /computer ,,and hes over here like a rocket ...1st corner ,,,,2.3.4.5 asleep
We were given a big pajero Rc car thing ( at the big bike auction, my friend who buys allyour bikes ..yup won the prize in the morning .,,,) anyway the boy was a bit scared about this thing moving on its own,,,So he picks up his toy hammer ( start them early ) an hits the car ,,,,like a true pro !!!!

Its a tough one alright as the daughters reaaly care for you and dont like to see daddy injured ,,BUT ,,,daddy ( I would be ) is also very grumpy lately!!..Me I would just tell them the truth ,,they are smart enough to understand ....
With my boy It will be tough ,,,But I think ( hopefully ) dirt bikes are the way ,,,,let him break a few bones in the dirt ,,to see how painfull crashing is ,,,then HOPEFULLY he wont be such an Arse on a Road bike

Thats my plan anyway ( saw a nice KTM 80 on trade me for 1500 ,,,once we get this walking thing out of the way ,,we will see )

Stephen

[Midnight 82]

Well i dont know what your problem is. You seem lost. But good luck anyway. :weird:

[Hooks]

It seems to me that you have had all the good advice already !! ... But I will add my 10c worth anyhow ...

When I got married I put the bike away & gave up riding to keep the Mrs happy .... it set a precedent and I was always the one to make the comprimises from there on .... she left me anyway ... and when she had been gone a month or so I pulled the other old bitch out of storage and went about getting to know her again. My 3 girls all under 10 at the time were most concerned that I was going to hurt myself on it .... I pointed out that they take risks on their rollerblades and bikes far worse than I do riding my bike .... and so it has been for last couple of years ... the only bin I've had came a couple weeks ago turning into a driveway !! ... In that time they have had to get over broken arms & wrists, sprained ankles, grazed knees and chipped teeth !! I came out with a bruise on my shoulder and a sore knee ....

I know that you have had a big one but you have to show that we cannot go through life wrapped cotton wool .... The kids don't like it anymore than we do .... It's who & what they are .... and so we have to set the example and live ... not just exist !!

Good luck with it all the same ... It is my experience that little girls are exceptionally good debaters, but do not despair or back down ... just tell her how you love it and would be a lesser person without it ....

Oh ... and FFS ... get a bike !!

[White trash]

Thanks for that bud. Sort of makes sense, in a WT kind of way. Have to see what I can do when I get back to Welly!!

How's this for a plan. Bring her to Auckland for a holiday or summit, get her on my kids quad with you to start off with. You can govern the throttle on the bike so it'll only just move. After half an hour riding that thing mate, you'll never get her off.

[FROSTY]

I was about to make the same offer WT did.
My young fella is totally addicted to bikes.Hes seen daddy fall off in a fairly majorish way.
Thae problem is he's grown up to his present 6 years always around bikes and he's been my pillion passenger in ever increasing amounts from birth
I dunno what you're gonna do dude. Despite what some people here say she probably does and will remember your promise.
All you can do is slowly introduce her to the fun side of bikes and see if she comes round.
Don't be over pushy and take your time.

[MSTRS]

Tis easy. She loves you & will forgive a broken promise. If you had promised yourself tho, that's a whole other ball of wax.

[Ramius]

I was about to make the same offer WT did.
My young fella is totally addicted to bikes.Hes seen daddy fall off in a fairly majorish way.
Thae problem is he's grown up to his present 6 years always around bikes and he's been my pillion passenger in ever increasing amounts from birth
I dunno what you're gonna do dude. Despite what some people here say she probably does and will remember your promise.
All you can do is slowly introduce her to the fun side of bikes and see if she comes round.
Don't be over pushy and take your time.

I think this is what I will be doing, get her into the world of bikes, and take it from there. I won't be rushing back to riding, so taking it easy will be the thing. And this little one remembers everything, even stickers promised to her in February! And every now and then, she has to rub it in that I crashed my blue bike on the road.

[Pathos]

Man, I would never teach my daughter how to enjoy bikes because she would start riding them and I wouldn't want her to take that risk. Its weird because I wouldn't hesitate to give my son a bike.


But plenty of time before I have to worry about that.

[Coyote]

Ramius, get a Dodge Tomohawk. It does have 4 wheels after all so you wouldn't be breaking your promise

[zeRax]

id go with gav's second suggestion

Or if u wanan go the other way and hang onto her, yer, just get her more introduced, no probs then i bet

[Ramius]

Ramius, get a Dodge Tomohawk. It does have 4 wheels after all so you wouldn't be breaking your promise

Hmmm Nice idea, I was thinking, what would be cheaper? Then I thought, how about strapping myself to a missile instead....
Nice looking bike though, goes to prove what happens when designers get bored.

[Pixie]

1.The mistake you are making is that you have not locked your kid in the woodshed till she is able to perform menial tasks.I won't even go into your letting her dictate your life.There are a million things she is indebted to you for,one of which is a spermatozoa.

2. You really have to do something about that mixer that you have working overtime on those metaphores -you get things of your chest,and carry a chip on your shoulder. :devil2:

[Pixie]

Man, I would never teach my daughter how to enjoy bikes because she would start riding them and I wouldn't want her to take that risk. Its weird because I wouldn't hesitate to give my son a bike.


But plenty of time before I have to worry about that.
The irony is that,having a woman's behavioural traits,your daughter would be more likely to survive riding a motorcycle unscathed than your son would.

[Wolf]

You made a promise, we dont make promises because they are easy to keep. Trust is the most important thing you can have with a 4 year old, and she wont forget it. Be a man, be a good father, be as good as your word and stop whining because your finding it tough to live up to promises that you made.

I wouldnt have made THAT promise in the first place (there could be a lesson there), A promise made is a debt unpaid.
I can take your point. I would not have made such a promise either, but the words are out now so there's not a lot of point saying "what if..".

My plan would be to get someone else who is into bikes to get Miss 4 interested in them so that she is the one pushing for the ban on bikes to be lifted. That way Ramius gets to get back into bikes at Miss 4's behest, not through his own actions...

Rather than breaking your word, get Miss 4 to insist you change your mind...

[MSTRS]

I can take your point. I would not have made such a promise either, but the words are out now so there's not a lot of point saying "what if..".

My plan would be to get someone else who is into bikes to get Miss 4 interested in them so that she is the one pushing for the ban on bikes to be lifted. That way Ramius gets to get back into bikes at Miss 4's behest, not through his own actions...

Rather than breaking your word, get Miss 4 to insist you change your mind...
How long til you get to sit in the BigChair?

[Biff]

Simply make an ammendment to the deal; promise her you wont ride a bike again if she promises not to whinge or whine ever again. She's a little woman, it'll prove impossible. Problem solved. And you've also given her an important life lesson in something far too deep for a Monday morning.


(Biff ducks for cover as the fems get mad. He, he ,he.)

[Marmoot]

Life is a sacrifice....a give-and-take, one way or another.
Think wisely.

There is no more valuable skill in this world than negotiation, especially if you can make sense to a Miss 4. :whistle:

[Wolf]

Man, I would never teach my daughter how to enjoy bikes because she would start riding them and I wouldn't want her to take that risk. Its weird because I wouldn't hesitate to give my son a bike.

But plenty of time before I have to worry about that.
I would not distinguish. We have 2 sons and another baby on the way - hoping for a girl. If any of them want to ride bikes (looking pretty likely for both our sons and they're not even potty-trained yet) they can - if we have a daughter she would be trained too.

I am of inclination not to let them get a car licence until they have held a full motorcycle licence for at least a year on the grounds that I want them to have good hazard identification etc.

I would also want them learning to ride properly etc, not just mucking about.

[ManDownUnder]

Simply make an ammendment to the deal; promise her you wont ride a bike again if she promises not to whinge or whine ever again. She's a little woman, it'll prove impossible. Problem solved. And you've also given her an important life lesson in something far too deep for a Monday morning.


(Biff ducks for cover as the fems get mad. He, he ,he.)

Run - run like the wind!

There's a saying that comes to mind "Many's the man who broke his nose with his mouth" (Billy Connoly)
MDU

[crashe]

Simply make an ammendment to the deal; promise her you wont ride a bike again if she promises not to whinge or whine ever again. She's a little woman, it'll prove impossible. Problem solved. And you've also given her an important life lesson in something far too deep for a Monday morning.


(Biff ducks for cover as the fems get mad. He, he ,he.)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If I was you, I would be running for dem hills me lad....
and never looking back over ya shoulder... :no:

Just don't stop running....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Ramius]

I can take your point. I would not have made such a promise either, but the words are out now so there's not a lot of point saying "what if..".

My plan would be to get someone else who is into bikes to get Miss 4 interested in them so that she is the one pushing for the ban on bikes to be lifted. That way Ramius gets to get back into bikes at Miss 4's behest, not through his own actions...

Rather than breaking your word, get Miss 4 to insist you change your mind...

Thanks for that. This looks like it would be the best way. It will take time to acheive, but then again, I won't be in a rideable state for a while yet anyway...
I might get her grandpa to take her to see some bikes.

[Eurygnomes]

Rather than breaking your word, get Miss 4 to insist you change your mind...

Very machiavellian...very female way of thinking! This is the one I'd go for (as a 4 year old girl) too. I never saw Dad crash - but I saw him smoke (and did the whole 'we're dying Dad' cough thing each time he lit up). Eventually he gave up and then I started smoking!!

Ta-dah! Must work for bikes too...?

[Wolf]

Very machiavellian...very female way of thinking!
Thanks. I think...