London Bomb suspect shot

[curious george]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10337323

Two points here I think:
1: If he had just stopped, done what the police said, he would probably be alive
2: By shooting him, (rightly or wrongly) have they added another reason for another bomber?

Obviously Muslum groups are pissed and see it as Muslim hating, but do you think somebody will justify another attack in the name of this new death?

[Lou Girardin]

It turns out that he was Brazillian with no known links to the bombings. Oops!
Strange that he ran and wouldn't stop when told though, and he came out of a suspect house under surveillance.

[Pathos]

Why the F*** did that idiot shoot him??? If he was an actual bomber he would have information that could have stop future bombings and close down some of the terrorist cell.

F***en gun ho police men, glad they don't carry firearms here because its just asking for them to be used they start reaching for them if you even think about resisting. I hope that retard gets locked up like the murderer he is.

[Ixion]

It turns out that he was Brazillian with no known links to the bombings. Oops!
Strange that he ran and wouldn't stop when told though, and he came out of a suspect house under surveillance.

Perhaps not so strange. Those stopped by Brazilian police in the past have been known to "disappear". They regard the police differently to us , who have never suffered under tyranny.

And even if he had no links to the bombers, he may well have been a "fringe hanger on", and/or a criminal for some more conventional nature.

Reasons enough, to him, to do a runner (assuming he had no idea that he might be shot).

There are those on KB who have "done a runner" with less reason.

Not the wisest decision in such a fraught atmosphere, but I dont suppose he thought that through.

[Sutage]

Jesus 5 shots at point blank range.
Someones in trouble

[El Dopa]

Why the F*** did that idiot shoot him??? If he was an actual bomber he would have information that could have stop future bombings and close down some of the terrorist cell.

F***en gun ho police men, glad they don't carry firearms here because its just asking for them to be used they start reaching for them if you even think about resisting. I hope that retard gets locked up like the murderer he is.

Complete Bollocks.

If he was an actual bomber, as he was suspected to be, AND CARRYING at the time he was shot, what exactly do you want the police to do in a public crowded place? "Excuse mr bomber, don't set off that bomb you're carrying, we'd like to ask you a few questions about you and your mates."

Or perhaps they should have shot to disable, which contary to what is shown in the movies, is practically impossible. The only way they could have been sure he was unable to detonate a device is to put him down, permanently.

If he was an bomber/extremist, well, good fucking job by the police.

If he wasn't, then running from an armed police unit when told to stop is not exactly a brilliant idea in the current atmosphere in London.

[Sutage]

Complete Bollocks.

If he was an actual bomber, as he was suspected to be, AND CARRYING at the time he was shot, what exactly do you want the police to do in a public crowded place? "Excuse mr bomber, don't set off that bomb you're carrying, we'd like to ask you a few questions about you and your mates."

Or perhaps they should have shot to disable, which contary to what is shown in the movies, is practically impossible. The only way they could have been sure he was unable to detonate a device is to put him down, permanently.

If he was an bomber/extremist, well, good fucking job by the police.

If he wasn't, then running from an armed police unit when told to stop is not exactly a brilliant idea in the current atmosphere in London.

Agree 100%, but 5 shots to the head point blank? I dunno thats kinda unneccessary man, but under the stress and fear the cop was in? cant really judge his actions, unless you know you wouldnt of, cant say i do:D

[myvice]

There are many countries in the world that haven’t been attacked where if you ran you would be shot.
And after two separate attempts to kill people just trying to get to work I can’t blame them for being a little highly strung.
Any innocent person wouldn’t have run, simple as that.

[erik]

Agree 100%, but 5 shots to the head point blank? I dunno thats kinda unneccessary man, but under the stress and fear the cop was in? cant really judge his actions, unless you know you wouldnt of, cant say i do:D

Would 1 shot to the head be any better? Seems like he was just being thorough...
If they suspected the guy had explosives on him and was perhaps about to trigger them, shooting him in the head would be the safest way to stop him.
Shoot him anywhere else and they might've hit the explosives.
I don't think the police were at fault, the guy ran from them and headed for a busy underground train.
I think it can just be put down to a tragic accident.

[scumdog]

Why the F*** did that idiot shoot him??? If he was an actual bomber he would have information that could have stop future bombings and close down some of the terrorist cell.

F***en gun ho police men, glad they don't carry firearms here because its just asking for them to be used they start reaching for them if you even think about resisting. I hope that retard gets locked up like the murderer he is.

No neg point 'cos I think you've a lot of growing up to do.

Save your comments for ten years and then have a look at them again - and then see if you still think the same.

Given the nervous climate over there and the dead dudes behaviour the outcome was pretty predictable.

BTW Police do carry firearms here more than you know.

[onearmedbandit]

People (police) in plain clothes chasing you, maybe your english is limited or non-existent, what would you do?

[Clockwork]

When I first heard of the shooting..... for the first time in my life I actually applauded such actions from a Police Officer. :niceone:

Now it turns out they shot the wrong man. (I know he was an idiot.... and could have avoided this but.....) :brick:

...... now I'm confused :unsure:

[MikeL]

I know he was an idiot.... and could have avoided this but.....) :brick:


How?

How do you know he was an idiot?
How do you know he could have avoided it?

He was wearing "suspicious clothing"
He was behaving "in a suspicious way", having come out of a house under surveillance.

Looks like "suspicion" is enough these days to get you 5 bullets in the head...

[Clockwork]

He could'a stopped when challenged

[MikeL]

He could'a stopped when challenged

No doubt. Assuming he understood what he was told.

[SuperDave]

People (police) in plain clothes chasing you, maybe your english is limited or non-existent, what would you do?

If that was the case then who can blame the guy for running? I agree with MikeL on the grounds that the guy possibly had limited english which could very easily have complicated the situation pushing it to the point of being shot and killed.


The killing at point-blank range with five shots to the head in front of shocked passengers on a packed underground train triggered speculation of a radical change of tactics by traditionally unarmed British police.

It's hard to comment on what has happened seeing that we only know what the media report to us which we all know can dramatically change how we see it. But this is crazy, five shots to the head at point blank range? I'm not sure if all these shots were fired by a single surveillance officer as someone suggested but but if all five came from the one officer then I have to say that I find that quite sickening. I assume they were carrying pistols and not semi-automatics?

[Biff]

Let me see - 'Foreign' looking gentlemen attempt to blow up yet more buses and trains in London. A 'foreign' looking gentlemen being observed to be acting 'suspiciously' is asked to stop by plain clothes officers I presume were shouting 'stop police' (a pretty universal command). 'Foreign' looking gentleman whose command of the English language is good enough for him to have worked for three years as an electrician in London, England thinks better of it, and runs, onto a train of all places. We'll probably never know why.

Fool. Sad none the less.

As for” gung ho cops” – I second the “grow up” suggestion. Particularly in the current climate for those people living in London, or anywhere in the world where there is a real risk of being blown up while going about your innocent days work/pleasure, and not in their cosy home and life thousands of miles away.

Let the official enquiry decide what went on, as if we can't already guess what was going through the cops head when faced with a 'foreigner' refusing to stop and running onto a train instead. The cop probably made a life changing decision in a split second. I imagine I would have done the same.

[curious george]

Well; you dont get work as a sparky in London without English, so one must assume he knew he was supposed to stop...
Quote"a 27-year-old Brazilian who had lived in London for the past three years and worked as an electrician"

and it sounds like it wasn't an impulse thing. They must have been chasing him for a while.." chased and fatally shot the man who had been under surveillance and refused orders to halt."

However, "The killing at point-blank range with five shots to the head"
Sounds pretty definite.
I guess they caught him, and just let rip. I can only hope he was a dodgy guy who had it comming, not some semi-dodgy guy in the wrong place at the wrong time...

And from the BBC:
1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Explosives officers attended the scene. An initial examination suggests that the object may be linked to devices found at four locations in London on July 21.

Despite what his family say, sounds like something dodgy was going on.
If I hadda been a cop, it would have been easy to believe he was carrying the next bomb...

[El Dopa]

How?

How do you know he was an idiot?
How do you know he could have avoided it?

He was wearing "suspicious clothing"
He was behaving "in a suspicious way", having come out of a house under surveillance.

Looks like "suspicion" is enough these days to get you 5 bullets in the head...

Mike,

While I take your point, consider the facts, even though they are thin on the ground.

1) The police are keeping a house under surveillence, as they have reason to believe there a suspects connected to the recent attacks staying there.
2) They see a guy in a puffa jacket come out (bearing in mind it's the middle of a hot London summer).
3) They see wires coming out of the jacket.
4) They challenge him, which was probably along the lines of 'armed police, stay where you are'.
5) The guy runs into a tube station.

Is he going to detonate a bomb? Well, who knows? They had seconds to make a decision, if that. Do they want to take the risk of not shooting (and him detonating), or shooting, injuring him, but leaving him capable of detonating?

This was a bad situatuon that ended badly, but I think you're applying too generous a helping of hindsight.

We now know that the guy had lived in London for 3 years. You can't live there that long without picking up how things work. And Brazil is NOT Columbia, Peru or Chile, where running from the police may be the best option. It's a lot more stable that that.

So, yes, I'd say 'idiot' about sums it up. Although unfortunately, he's not going to be able to come to that copnclusion himself.

[soundbeltfarm]

i agree that the right thing was done.
the amount of bullets used, i agree again if he had explosives and was shot once he may have been able to detonate his bomb, bear in mind if they are prepared to kill them selves for the cause thats all they will think about if shot and still able to detonate their explosives. so killing him quick was a priorty.
London is a very twitchy place to be if you are an officer i'd reckon and i think they are doing all they can to look after their city and inhabitants.
This is my view on this matter with the knowledge we have of what went on.

[unhingedlizard]

Having been born near London and living there half my life this sort of thing isnt that new. The IRA have been setting bombs for decades there. The main difference now is that there are people willing to barge thier way onto crowded subways and blow themselves up. I grew up in the Air Force. Walking around on an air force base, not stopping when someone tells you to is enough to get you shot. I have utmost regard for those police officers who risked thier own lives to get down close to this person when there was a real possibility all he need to do was press a button and kill everyone around him. Well done lads. Anyone here who says otherwise needs to grew up and go spend a few weeks traveling in a place that is filled with people who have a real chance of ending thier lifes in the bottom of a pile of rubble caused by someone else deciding that thier cause is worth someone elses life.

[mstriumph]

In the best of all possible worlds it wouldn't have happened; but in the best of all possible worlds, there would have been no 'scenario' in which it could have happened.

The police were there - I wasn't; they had to decide - I didn't; I trust they did the best they could in the circumstances in which they found themselves with the knowledge they had available to them. That's all you can ask of anybody.

[Indiana_Jones]

the dude was like jumping over ticket barriers etc. I mean wtf? If I had armed cops chasing me, I'd fecking stop.
And I don't blame them for shooting them out. They've had enough, and it's a known tactic that they lure the cops in and then blow themselves up.

-Indy

[Timber020]

If he had been a bomber and detonated a bomb while they were trying to apprehend him an he killed a few people there would have been an outcry about that to.

wont be an open casket for that man.

[WINJA]

THE COPS DID THE BEST THEY COULD IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE , PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOT IN THE HEAD ONCE CAN LIVE AND BE COHERENT , 5 SHOTS WOULD LESSEN THE CHANCE OF DETONATING A DEVICE IF HE HAD ONE, THE COPS WERE ACTING IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND IT WAS QUITE BRAVE OF THEM TO CHASE DOWN WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A DANGEROUS MAN .
IF THE COPS SAY STOP AND PUT YOUR HANDS UP THEN MAYBE ITS BEST YOU DO IT .IF SOME ONE GOT SHOT IN BRAZIL BY THE PIGS THEY WOULDNT GIVE A FUCK SO I DONT KNOW WHY THEIR GOVERNMENT IS SHITTY

[parsley]

F***en gun ho police men, glad they don't carry firearms here because its just asking for them to be used they start reaching for them if you even think about resisting.
Most police in Britain don't carry firearms either. The only ones who do are specially trained firearm squads. I imagine it's the same in NZ.

[parsley]

The sad thing is the guy was obviously on the side of the angels:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711639.stm

Gésio César D'avila, a friend and colleague, said Mr Menezes had considered alternative transport after the failed attacks on 21 July. "We were together on Thursday, and when we saw what happened, Jean said he wanted to buy a motorbike to avoid the tube," he said.

[MikeL]

wont be an open casket for that man.

You are a sensitive, sympathetic soul, aren't you?

[Hitcher]

If they hadn't held him down before unloading five caps into his head, I may have had a bit more sympathy for the cops on this matter. They were plain-clothes cops too.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if I was in a foreign country where the native tongue was not mine, where there had recently been terrorist bombings, and guys yelling and waving guns came running at me, that I may endeavour to run from them too.

High anxiety does strange things at times.

[MikeL]

Well I guess I'm heavily outnumbered on this one. Best thing would be to retire graciously from the debate...

But before I do, let me leave you with one question:

The "shoot first, ask questions later" policy was defended by the British lord who conceived it on the grounds of the "unique" circumstances which have apparently made it necessary. In what previous historical contexts have we heard similar justifications for contraventions of human rights?

[750Y]

After the recent bombings in england the poms seemed united in the message that 'it won't change us'. Sadly with all the best intention (albeit naive) it's gone well past that point now.

[unhingedlizard]

They were lucky it was police and not SAS. During the IRA years they wouldnt have stoppped at five shots, they are trained to keep firing until the clip is empty. If he had a trigger cable tied to his hand, no pinning down on earth could have stopped his setting of a device. In this situation a 'ask the suspicious man nicely what he is doing' has cost the lives of people many many times before.

[SimJen]

seems he had an excellent grasp of english according to his family.
He had been living in London for four years as an electrician. Police had been watching a suspicious house which he came out of, they followed him to the train station where they obviosly thought he was going to do something. He had a large jacket that could have concealed something. Still five caps in the head is probably a bit OTT.

[Lou Girardin]

Interesting comments, for once I'm completely on the cops side. The Pommie cops have had training from Israeli security forces in how to deal with suicide bombers. Obviously the main strategy is to kill as quickly as possible. People have survived being shot in the head without being incapacitated before.
If they hadn't killed him and he had detonated a bomb, what would have been said then?
Being from Brazil is no excuse unless he was a complete idiot as well. Only an idiot would have tried to run when told to stop by 6 men wearing suits. especially with what has happened over there in the last 2 weeks. As far as I know, UK street gangs don't wear suits.

[chris]

Fella runs onto train with 6 armed police chasing him, shouting at him to stop. Fella then detonates bomb killing 40 people. Outcry follows 'why didn't the police shoot him?" asks one family member.

[marty]

a friend of mine is a london met cop, who has been on a permanent AOS-type section for about 5 years. he was one corner away when the harrods bomb went off back in the 80's, so he's no gung-ho shoot em up guy. they basically cruise around in a transit, fully cammed up, waiting for gun related action. this has been a 24/7 job for about 50 cops in london for the past 5 years. he was in germany racing ironman when the 1st bombs went off, but now back in london, says that the whole police force is walking on glass - even more so than when the IRA were active in london - at least they had a ring first policy. the met cops are under huge pressure to keep the peace, and i can only hope the likes of pathos have the opportunity to be a commuter on the tube one day, so that they can appreciate the sheer numbers that are at risk from the likes of these bombers, and the panic that can occur when something even quite minor goes wrong.

all the bombers on 7/7 had families that had NO idea what they were up to - we need to wait a bit and see what comes out in the wash. why was he at the surveilled house?

[spudchucka]

Well I guess I'm heavily outnumbered on this one. Best thing would be to retire graciously from the debate...

But before I do, let me leave you with one question:

The "shoot first, ask questions later" policy was defended by the British lord who conceived it on the grounds of the "unique" circumstances which have apparently made it necessary. In what previous historical contexts have we heard similar justifications for contraventions of human rights?
In what historical context have we had crazy bastards armed with high explosives, willing to blow themselves sky high with the sole intention of killing civillians for the purpose of creating terror?

When in history has there been jumbo jets hijacked and crashed into high rise buildings for the sole purpose of killing thousands of innocents?

In what historical context have these wankers been able to spend five minutes at a computer terminal and subsequently possess the knowledge of how to construct explosive devices?

Its a new era Mike, history is important but at the same time history is currently being re-written. The lessons of the past in relation to terrorists offer a very clear explanation as to why this shooting happened.

The fact that he wasn't a bomber doesn't change anything. The cops that shot were acting on what they believed to be true at the time based on the circumstances and the dead guys actions. How many idiots have been shot by cops the world over because they presented a firearm that afterwards turned out to be a toy or a replica. Everyone says, "That cop shoulda known it was a toy blah blah blah". Bollocks, its a gun and the idiot that was pointing it at someone got shot, end of story. This is no different.

[Biff]

The "shoot first, ask questions later" policy was defended by the British lord who conceived it on the grounds of the "unique" circumstances which have apparently made it necessary. In what previous historical contexts have we heard similar justifications for contraventions of human rights?

Gibralter 1988. SAS soldiers shot dead a number of IRA operatives who were planning to detonate a bomb. Good job too. Scum.

[Lou Girardin]

In what historical context have we had crazy bastards armed with high explosives, willing to blow themselves sky high with the sole intention of killing civillians for the purpose of creating terror?

When in history has there been jumbo jets hijacked and crashed into high rise buildings for the sole purpose of killing thousands of innocents?

In what historical context have these wankers been able to spend five minutes at a computer terminal and subsequently possess the knowledge of how to construct explosive devices?

Its a new era Mike, history is important but at the same time history is currently being re-written. The lessons of the past in relation to terrorists offer a very clear explanation as to why this shooting happened.

.

It's simply a matter of degree. The Israelis were the first terrorists of the modern era, the Irgun blew up the King David hotel in 1949.
The other complication is that one persons terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.
The French maquis in WW2. The Vietcong. The ANC. The Basques and so on.
It's endless, this Islamic era will pass too, only to be replaced by someone else.

[SuperDave]

I always thought that a single bullet to the head from point blank range was a pretty certain death, but from reading all this I think I was wrong.

In light of all these other details and hearing that the guy was fluent in English then I have to agree that he was a douche for running - he was asking for it.

The police force in London is really taking action. Good on them for not pussying out of a kill that at the time appeared to be the most suitable and effective action to defuse a potentially devastating situation. Oh yeah, go the pun!

[SPman]

Its a new era Mike, history is important but at the same time history is currently being re-written.
I certainly hope it isn't being rewritten!
Added to, constantly updated in the light of evolving events and conditions,written, in fact, yes, but when mention is made of "rewritten", I tend to get rather more worried than usual!
Those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it..........

or something,

[Skyryder]

So here's an 'electrician' leaving a house that's under observation for terriorist activities.

Now if he had been a drainlayer, cabinetmaker, anything but a sparky I might have some sympathy. But I'm a cynic...............so my guess is that he may have had something to do with the manufacuture of the bombs. Wild guess I know....................learn't it from Kojack


Skyryder

[mstriumph]

.. i think so, too.
All the brit. bravado and stiff upper lip in the world doesn't alter the fact that terrorism is a focal-shift in combat similar to that which happened when the world moved on from opposing armies camped on adjacent hills, meeting in the valley at dawn and each granting the other side respite to bury their dead.

The new rules are ... there ARE no rules. Chivalry is dead and chaos walks abroad.
After the recent bombings in england the poms seemed united in the message that 'it won't change us'. Sadly with all the best intention (albeit naive) it's gone well past that point now.

[curious george]

I would agree with the general feeling of most people here, but one point still nags me.

Under current law, an innocent man was shot and killed with 5 bullets to the head.

Of course, nobody's completly innocent; running was probably the stupidest thing he ever did and he was being watched for a reason, but to my knowledge, no evidence of any wrongdoing has ever come to light.

Wrong guy completly, or right guy, but a shot him a little early before his next bomb went off?

I know a few people Police would like to 'watch' for suspicious activity, and given the right reasons would. But would you support the POlice the same way?

[mstriumph]

I certainly hope it isn't being rewritten! ..........
... but how would we KNOW ...? :wait:

[Ixion]

So here's an 'electrician' leaving a house that's under observation for terriorist activities.

Now if he had been a drainlayer, cabinetmaker, anything but a sparky I might have some sympathy. But I'm a cynic...............so my guess is that he may have had something to do with the manufacuture of the bombs. Wild guess I know....................learn't it from Kojack


Skyryder

No, I understand that he did not acually leave the terrorists "house". It was in fact a block of flats, with a communal exit (like apartments I suppose). He lived in one flat, but a different one from the suspected terrorists. They saw him leaving the block not the flat. So his undoing was having dodgy neighbours,but I don't suppose he had much choice over that.

[Hitcher]

Even the British cops have conceded it was a fuck up. So what's the argument here?

[Skyryder]

Even the British cops have conceded it was a fuck up. So what's the argument here?

None. Just me stiring the pot. Mind you I posted before I saw the news so looks like I just shot my foot off. Never did like Kojack. :mad:

Skyryder

[mstriumph]

:( Now this foulup [the guilt, the ridicule, the repercussions] will be in the forefront of every cop's mind and cause them
to hesitate the NEXT time they are faced with a dodgy situation ...

which will be great if the next suspect is also innocent ...

not so great if he's not ....

[spudchucka]

Exactly right, each case on its merits. Screw ups like this should not dictate policy.

[Pathos]

I continue to support my initial outburst and will POLITELY ignore the prejudiced comment "you have a lot of growing up to do".

I would have fully supported any action (even if it resulted in civilian casualties) take while the victim was running not, when there are several policemen in the process of incapacitating the victim. They could have chopped his arms and legs off for all I care just to make sure. But one of them lost his cool while he had a firearm in his hands which is unacceptable in my opinion with the training they have.

[Lou Girardin]

That is their training Pathos. destroy the suspects brain. Bombs can be triggered in many ways.

[Sniper]

Well there is 2 points here and I agree on both terms.

1: 7 shots to the guy was a bit excessive but take into consideration what weapons were used (H&K MP5 3rd burst) and the threat at the time.

2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.

The family have no right to sue Scotland Yard as they were doing their jobs. By the way, how to they know he was innocent? What knowledge lurked in the brains?

[unhingedlizard]

quite, all he needed was a trigger cabletied to his hand and the thought 'well, this is as far as i am going to get, might as well press it now'

[Lou Girardin]

Well there is 2 points here and I agree on both terms.

1: 7 shots to the guy was a bit excessive but take into consideration what weapons were used (H&K MP5 3rd burst) and the threat at the time.

2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.

The family have no right to sue Scotland Yard as they were doing their jobs. By the way, how to they know he was innocent? What knowledge lurked in the brains?

Witnesses said 5 from a handgun. Glock 17?

[Biff]

Twas indeed a handgun. A Glock 17 semi auto or S&W .38 model 10 depending on which branch the officer was from.

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Sniper]
2: His problem he got shot, obviously he was doing something wrong or he wouldnt have ran, shit I'de be happy to go through hell to prove my innocence than to getting shot in the head. He knew the risks and why did he run.QUOTE]
The guy came from Sao Paulo - the murder capital of the world. Running away when being chased by a bunch of people (not in police uniform) waving guns is habit. It's not clear if the Police clearly identified themselves. They will say they did, but then they would say that, wouldn't they?

[Lou Girardin]

A new report now says 8 rounds! Count 'em, 8. Certainly will be a closed coffin.
The family is claiming compensation.

[Sniper]

depending on which branch the officer was from.

SO19 officers with a Glock 17, excuse my previous mistake, I double checked my facts and was wrong. Sorry.

[mstriumph]

Oh perleeeease .......... does it matter whether there were eight bullets or a hundred or whether they came from a popgun or a bazooka; i'm afraid that dead is dead irrespective :no:

[Sniper]

Oh perleeeease .......... does it matter whether there were eight bullets or a hundred or whether they came from a popgun or a bazooka; i'm afraid that dead is dead irrespective :no:

Well with a 100 bullets, there wouldnt be much left and it would take about 2 minutes

[mstriumph]

.. depends who/what was firing them, doesn't it :)
Well with a 100 bullets, there wouldnt be much left and it would take about 2 minutes

[Sniper]

.. depends who/what was firing them, doesn't it :)

Technically yes, but we are talking about a pistol here and I am taking into account 1 man with 1 full mag and 2 spares taking time to reload a spent clip it would be just under 2 minutes

[scumdog]

Technically yes, but we are talking about a pistol here and I am taking into account 1 man with 1 full mag and 2 spares taking time to reload a spent clip it would be just under 2 minutes

I believe (prepared to stand corrected) the weapon used was a MP5, takes about 0.17 os a second to let rip with 8 rounds ...

[Lou Girardin]

I believe (prepared to stand corrected) the weapon used was a MP5, takes about 0.17 os a second to let rip with 8 rounds ...

Witness said the firer had a handgun and those guys use Glocks.

[scumdog]

one of them lost his cool while he had a firearm in his hands which is unacceptable in my opinion with the training they have.

Lost his cool? lost his cool? where did you learn that from???

[mstriumph]

I'll bet not many people know that...
Technically yes, but we are talking about a pistol here and I am taking into account 1 man with 1 full mag and 2 spares taking time to reload a spent clip it would be just under 2 minutes

[scumdog]

Witness said the firer had a handgun and those guys use Glocks.

Hope the witness was a better one than the one I met today - he thought I was another officer he had met and was dealing with, only thing is THAT officer has no moustache, is about 250mm shorter than me and has grey hair......

'eye' witness?? more like 'seeing-eye' witness in a lot of cases.....

[MSTRS]

Are we sure it was a cop wot dunnit??

[scumdog]

Witness said the firer had a handgun and those guys use Glocks.

Glock? In one of those it's about 4 seconds or less for me to waste 8 rounds of you tax-payers bullets :yes:

[Sniper]

I'll bet not many people know that...

Why else would I share that info :)

[Sniper]

Glock? In one of those it's about 4 seconds or less for me to waste 8 rounds of you tax-payers bullets :yes:

True, but are we talking accurately at 25-40 yards? But you are a cop so Im not going to doubt you

[Hitcher]

Cops should use a totally ostentatious handgun, like a Desert Eagle...

[scumdog]

True, but are we talking accurately at 25-40 yards? But you are a cop so Im not going to doubt you

Uh-uh, was closer than spitting distance - and at that range? yes I COULD do it.

[Biff]

Cops should use a totally ostentatious handgun, like a Desert Eagle...

Scud missles hurt. Alledgedly.

[Sniper]

Uh-uh, was closer than spitting distance - and at that range? yes I COULD do it.

I believe you. I believe any cop could do it too. No offence meant sorry

[unhingedlizard]

It's funny. So many people in the world torture, maim and kill so many others simply because of thier race, skin colour, sexual preferance, religion, eye colour for no reason other than thier own prejudice, and the shotting of a terrorist suspect by someone who's formost thought was to save other peoples lives creates a 6 page thread.

[Lou Girardin]

Glock? In one of those it's about 4 seconds or less for me to waste 8 rounds of you tax-payers bullets :yes:

I guess the safest place would be your target :whistle:

[Ixion]

Scud missles hurt. Alledgedly.

Nah, I know a guy got hit with three of them. Said he felt them a bit but they didn't realy hurt










EDIT: Ah , um uh, yeah, as you were. Scud missiles. Not Spud missiles. i though you were talking about potato guns.

[Sniper]

It's funny. So many people in the world torture, maim and kill so many others simply because of thier race, skin colour, sexual preferance, religion, eye colour for no reason other than thier own prejudice, and the shotting of a terrorist suspect by someone who's formost thought was to save other peoples lives creates a 6 page thread.

Aaah yes, I shotted someone once, they werent happy but after I apologised me went out and got a beer

(Ixion, have I started making any sense of posts?)

[Ixion]

Aaah yes, I shotted someone once, they werent happy but after I apologised me went out and got a beer

(Ixion, have I started making any sense of posts?)

That's perfectly SENSIBLE. but it's not loonie.

[Sniper]

That's perfectly SENSIBLE. but it's not loonie.

[Thread Hijack]
How the hell can I make it loony???????/

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[unhingedlizard]

Aaah yes, I shotted someone once, they werent happy but after I apologised me went out and got a beer

(Ixion, have I started making any sense of posts?)

You give me grief over spelling and then commit such a grevious crime as bad grammer? me went out and got a beer?

[Sniper]

You give me grief over spelling and then commit such a grevious crime as bad grammer? me went out and got a beer?

Shit I was bad Englishing. Damn, there me goes again. Hitcher!!! Your help be needed here

[scumdog]

I guess the safest place would be your target :whistle:

WRONG! The reason I said 'wasted' is because there are a lot more deserving recipients of a salvo of "Hydra-Shok" projectiles than a cardboard target.

Not meaning you though Lou!

[Ixion]

[Thread Hijack]
How the hell can I make it loony???????/

[/Thread Hijack]


To make it loony it has to be sensible but make no sense whatsoever.

[Sniper]

To make it loony it has to be sensible but make no sense whatsoever.

So it has something to do with Milkshakes???

(Hows that)