Motorcycle Popo got SMIDSYed tonight

[rastuscat]

He's one of mine. He got nailed turning turning right by a car turning right out of the side road he was turning into.

The car was in a give way. My man was on his own bike on the way home from work.

Driver said Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.

Arse.

Broken tib and nasty degloving. Thanks God for good gear, or he'd have been a lot worse.

[Edbear]

Everyone's a target! Sorry to hear, that is not a "better-work-story"! :bye:

[scumdog]

I think it was MSTRS or similar that reckoned drivers involved in a SMIDSY incident should have 'RETARD' painted on their car..
I reckon just making them drive only cars painted fluoro pink would suffice...:angry2:

[nzspokes]

Is this the first damage from new law confusion?

Hope he gets better soon.

[Katman]

So he failed to read any clues?

Don't try suggesting there weren't any.

[rustic101]

I was down there a couple of weeks ago visiting the kids and was just about taken out twice a few hundred metres from the Station. I'm sure its not SMIDSY but rather SIDC (Sorry I Don't Care). Then I made the mistake of riding in the City, Jeez I thought Filtering in Wellington was dangerous :brick: the lack of care displayed by some drivers was shocking.

[Gremlin]

Car drivers always say that...

Hope he gets well soon!

[Kornholio]

Oh well, at least it wasn't a cop car doing a u-turn... those can be fatal.....

[DMNTD]

Oh well, at least it wasn't a cop car doing a u-turn... those can be fatal.....

Giddy the fuck up right there mister! ;)

[DMNTD]

So he failed to read any clues?

Don't try suggesting there weren't any.

It's the Police, there were clues only IF they say so:blink:









Hope the dude will be ok

[bogan]

I think it was MSTRS or similar that reckoned drivers involved in a SMIDSY incident should have 'RETARD' painted on their car..
I reckon just making them drive only cars painted fluoro pink would suffice...:angry2:

Only painted? You know they make cordless disc grinders now aye?

Bugger to hear RC, don't suppose you get more high vis than a popo MC either.

[Gremlin]

don't suppose you get more high vis than a popo MC either.
Read first post... was on personal bike...

[kb_SF1]

So those who trot out "i did not see you" as a this reason for not giving way to a motorcyclist will now be required to have an eye test and redo the drivers licence test? yeah right, sorry about your guy but those who use this as a reason for not giving way should not have a licence, they are blind.

[FJRider]

Is this the first damage from new law confusion?

Hope he gets better soon.

Read the first post ... the driver was on a give way ....so NO. The driver was turning out of a side road. So if it was a T intersection ... (with no signs) STILL no.

[bogan]

Read first post... was on personal bike...

Misleading title then init :oi-grr:

[FJRider]

Misleading title then init :oi-grr:

Even riding his own bike does not change his occupation. You just assumed ... :lol:

[jasonu]

He's one of mine. He got nailed turning turning right by a car turning right out of the side road he was turning into.

The car was in a give way. My man was on his own bike on the way home from work.

Driver said Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.

Arse.

Broken tib and nasty degloving. Thanks God for good gear, or he'd have been a lot worse.

Did the car driver get a ticket for careless driving or something similar? I hope so.
If not, why not?

[jasonu]

Misleading title then init :oi-grr:

Only if the title is the only part that you looked at.

[rastuscat]

Did the car driver get a ticket for careless driving or something similar? I hope so.
If not, why not?

He's going to, don't worry. Careless Driving Causing Injury, as is entirely appropriate. The crash gets dealt with by the Popo who attended, the victim gets the same rights as everyone else, the offender gets treated the same as anyone else. Fair to say that I'll be making sure that all the i's get dotted and the t's get crossed. I do that with any motorbike crash anyway, coz I give a shit.

Thing is, no matter what happens to the offender, my mans leg is still munted.

Fuck it.

[BMWST?]

Read the first post ... the driver was on a give way ....so NO. The driver was turning out of a side road. So if it was a T intersection ... (with no signs) STILL no.

,yes I didnt see you mate should actually be,sorry officer i am a blind careless driver

[dangerous]

He's one of mine. He got nailed turning turning right by a car turning right out of the side road he was turning into.

The car was in a give way. My man was on his own bike on the way home from work.

Driver said Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.
no one sees anyone or anything but them selves these days, as they pull out in frount of you they dont even bother looking at ya now.
Ya mans a keen guy riding at work and to and fro aswell, lot a hours in the saddle and around here its gona happen sooner or later.



I was down there a couple of weeks ago visiting the kids and was just about taken out twice a few hundred metres from the Station. I'm sure its not SMIDSY but rather SIDC (Sorry I Don't Care). Then I made the mistake of riding in the City, Jeez I thought Filtering in Wellington was dangerous :brick: the lack of care displayed by some drivers was shocking.
chch was a shit of a place to ride in pre sept 10. I avoided it as much as I could... now its just a cunt of a place and I wont ride in it and avoid driving there.
People think the world owes them every thing, ya right they dont care and road rules mean nothing, its biggere than the coppers so they can ony do so much I spose.

[Zedder]

Sorry to hear about that. It's not good when any biker gets the SMIDSY treatment.

[nzspokes]

He's going to, don't worry. Careless Driving Causing Injury, as is entirely appropriate. The crash gets dealt with by the Popo who attended, the victim gets the same rights as everyone else, the offender gets treated the same as anyone else. Fair to say that I'll be making sure that all the i's get dotted and the t's get crossed. I do that with any motorbike crash anyway, coz I give a shit.

Thing is, no matter what happens to the offender, my mans leg is still munted.

Fuck it.

I think if you hit a cop you expect to get royally rogered.

[The Singing Chef]

He's going to, don't worry. Careless Driving Causing Injury, as is entirely appropriate. The crash gets dealt with by the Popo who attended, the victim gets the same rights as everyone else, the offender gets treated the same as anyone else. Fair to say that I'll be making sure that all the i's get dotted and the t's get crossed. I do that with any motorbike crash anyway, coz I give a shit.

Thing is, no matter what happens to the offender, my mans leg is still munted.

Fuck it.

If you need a temp mate, I am more than willing to help out! I just need my license back. :innocent:

[pritch]

I do that with any motorbike crash anyway, coz I give a shit.



For which, thank you.

The British Police distinguish between "didn't look" and "looked but didn't see". Both of which rate higher than speed as a cause of accidents.
Not sure if that distinction applies in this country.

Then again I regularly see "Looked but don't care" on my commute.

Variation on a theme; yesterday 1.30PM ish I followed a red Mazda 3, EWA488? through Fitzroy, the driver (male) was reading what looked to be a magazine or travel brochure in his lap. When we got to the Waiwhakaiho bridge he relaxed even more and picked up his cellphone and started texting or dialling while on the move in traffic. I was pleased I was behind him on the bike and not in front of him.

Hope your man heals quickly :doctor:

[schrodingers cat]

Wouldn't it be nice if fuckwits like this got to pay a higher ACC levy into the future since they contributed to higher costs...

Oh I forgot - its a blameless system

Christchurch is a very frustrating place to ride/drive at present. The amount of roadworks and poor diversion planning mean the traffic density is well above what poor ChCh drivers are used to.
Just try moving anywhere from 2.45pm when the mummy run to school starts

[The Pastor]

woohoo, about bloody time

[Ocean1]

The British Police distinguish between "didn't look" and "looked but didn't see". Both of which rate higher than speed as a cause of accidents.
Not sure if that distinction applies in this country.

I'm sure it does. Thing is both are perfectly normal human behaviours, so while it's usual to villify drivers causing incidents which result in injuries they're no different to any one of us. We all have such lapses, our brains take shortcuts which allow us to handle the huge amount of data we process.

Interesting related piece in the paper this AM: http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/6628224/Unhappy-brains-are-better-brains


Then again I regularly see "Looked but don't care" on my commute.

I've rarely seen it. The only one I can recall was a Van loaded with guys on a PD detail, on the Hutt motorway. I was passing on the right lane, in reasonably heavy traffic when he pulled out with me exactly beside him, obviously hadn't seen me. I throttled up right onto the bumper of the car in front and eyeballed him through the drivers door window. He did a double-take, registered I was there, sort of shrugged his shoulders and kept comming. I couldn't go past, there wasn't room, so I hit the picks, hard. My left handgrip touched the back of the van a split second before my right thigh flicked a WRB post and the whole back of the bike drifted left a bit. I distinctly recall being puzzled by that last bit, was only when the back wheel landed again did I realise it'd been inches off the ground.

There's no doubt in my mind that if I'd been on the dirt bike rather than the Buell I'd be dead. To this day I can't understand how he thought what he did was anything short of premeditated murder.

RC, my best to your man, let us know if there's anything we can do, eh?

[NONONO]

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[pritch]

I've rarely seen it.

I don't see it so often on the Triumph, but it's almost routine on the moped.

[tigertim20]

Oh well, at least it wasn't a cop car doing a u-turn... those can be fatal.....
a fellow biker gets mowed down and you only care about pisstaking because he was a cop? grow up dude

So those who trot out "i did not see you" as a this reason for not giving way to a motorcyclist will now be required to have an eye test and redo the drivers licence test? yeah right, sorry about your guy but those who use this as a reason for not giving way should not have a licence, they are blind.
that would be a great idea - anyone in any crash who said they didnt see the person should have to do this at their own expense




He's going to, don't worry. Careless Driving Causing Injury, as is entirely appropriate. The crash gets dealt with by the Popo who attended, the victim gets the same rights as everyone else, the offender gets treated the same as anyone else. Fair to say that I'll be making sure that all the i's get dotted and the t's get crossed. I do that with any motorbike crash anyway, coz I give a shit.

Thing is, no matter what happens to the offender, my mans leg is still munted.

Fuck it.

sorry to hear, hope he heals quickly and is back to riding asap

[GrayWolf]

it's a shame that we cant get/don't see the MC popo on the Hutt motorway during peak period,,, I know they have different 'views' on lane splitting.... however, I see so many bloody cagers driving and texting/talking on cell phones it makes the law a mockery... now I wonder how much that'd change f a popo suddenly appeared beside the car with a quiet 'pull over'???

[mashman]

now I wonder how much that'd change f a popo suddenly appeared beside the car with a quiet 'pull over'???

like this? :shifty:

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[rastuscat]

Mr Crash is being followed by Mr Serious Wound, and is shortly to be followed by Mr Skin Grafts.

He's in a cheery mood, but it's gonna be a long road.

Pity is, he's one of the best riders in the Police, and he is very sympathetic to bikers. That sympathy won't be back until a lot later in the year.

Thanks for all the nice comments. We are part of the bike community, it's nice to have the support.

Donuts

[Mom]

So he failed to read any clues?

Don't try suggesting there weren't any.

Sometimes, just sometimes, even professionally trained riders can get "taken out".


Donuts

Degloving is very, very nasty, I hope your collegue has an uncomplicated recovery. It is only going to get worse tomorrow.

[Katman]

Sometimes, just sometimes, even professionally trained riders can get "taken out".


And unfortunately even professionally trained riders can have lapses in their observational skills.

[onearmedbandit]

Not good news mate, hope he heals up soon. Oh did I see you at Subway today on Colombo?

[nzspokes]

And unfortunately even professionally trained riders can have lapses in their observational skills.

Its called "Being Human". Shame the injured rider is not as perfect as you.

[nzspokes]

Mr Crash is being followed by Mr Serious Wound, and is shortly to be followed by Mr Skin Grafts.

He's in a cheery mood, but it's gonna be a long road.

Pity is, he's one of the best riders in the Police, and he is very sympathetic to bikers. That sympathy won't be back until a lot later in the year.

Thanks for all the nice comments. We are part of the bike community, it's nice to have the support.

Donuts

Hope he heals well and soon.

[Katman]

Its called "Being Human". Shame the injured rider is not as perfect as you.

Unfortunately "Being Human" is all too often used as an excuse for not trying to better yourself.

[nzspokes]

Unfortunately "Being Human" is all too often used as an excuse for not trying to better yourself.

Wow. :facepalm:

[sil3nt]

I wonder if Katman would have the balls to tell us if he ever came off.

[Katman]

Wow. :facepalm:

You can facepalm all you like - doesn't change the fact that "Being Human" is all too often used to excuse mediocrity.

[nzspokes]

I wonder if Katman would have the balls to tell us if he ever came off.

I wouldnt think so. Hes more righteous than the pope.

But I doubt he rides. :laugh:

[Katman]

I wonder if Katman would have the balls to tell us if he ever came off.


I wouldnt think so. Hes more righteous than the pope.



You guys need to keep up with the play.

[Madness]

But I doubt he rides. :laugh:

I have seeneth with mine own eyes.

Rastus, sorry to read of your mans off.

[tigertim20]

And unfortunately even professionally trained riders can have lapses in their observational skills.


Its called "Being Human". Shame the injured rider is not as perfect as you.

+1

time and place KM, this isnt it. your lack of finesse is the reason for your crusade falling on deaf ears.

[nzspokes]

I have seeneth with mine own eyes.



Fair enough, I thought he was a Bot put on here by the ACC.

[Katman]

+1

time and place KM, this isnt it.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a fuck about your idea of 'time and place'.

The reality is that nothing is learnt from excuses being made.

[nzspokes]

+1

time and place KM, this isnt it. your lack of finesse is the reason for your crusade falling on deaf ears.

Bet he's a barrel of laughs at a party, "Dont drink that, you might get intoxicated". :laugh:

[Katman]

Bet he's a barrel of laughs at a party, "Dont drink that, you might get intoxicated". :laugh:

You're new here, aren't you?

[nzspokes]

You're new here, aren't you?

Your Hi Viz can be seen from space?

[Madness]

You're new here, aren't you?

You wouldn't think so from his post count but I've noticed he's a bit diarrhetic in his posting.

[rastuscat]

Not good news mate, hope he heals up soon. Oh did I see you at Subway today on Colombo?

RUMBLED !!!

They have started doing donuts, in case you wondered.

[rastuscat]

One of the ironies is that the BMW boots he had on were the work supplied ones. They contained the injury, and prevented it from being worse. They got cut off.

The BMW pants he had on also helped contain the nastiness, and cordura got embedded in the wound. They were also cut off.

The rest of his gear was fine, and was all personally owned.

Now, THAT's how to crash. Sacrifice all the company supplied gear, and protect your own.

Class :)

[Drew]

Unfortunately "Being Human" is all too often used as an excuse for not trying to better yourself.

Oh good, back to you fucking everyone off to get your message heard again. Do you not get sick of people hating you for your delivery?

[Katman]

Do you not get sick of people hating you for your delivery?

I've got a thick skin Drew.

[nzspokes]

I've got a thick skin Drew.

Its Captain Saaafffeeetttyyyy!!!!!!:laugh:

[SVboy]

My sympathies to the rider-chch needs officers who are bike savvy and bike enthusiasts. Glad he will mend.

[tigertim20]

One of the ironies is that the BMW boots he had on were the work supplied ones. They contained the injury, and prevented it from being worse. They got cut off.

The BMW pants he had on also helped contain the nastiness, and cordura got embedded in the wound. They were also cut off.

The rest of his gear was fine, and was all personally owned.

Now, THAT's how to crash. Sacrifice all the company supplied gear, and protect your own.

Class :)
nicely done!

I've got a thick skull Drew.

fixed that for ya matey!:laugh:

[scumdog]

and cordura got embedded in the wound. They were also cut off.



Human flesh CAN be forced through cordura.

OK, the only incident I've seen of that was fatal.

So, in the wrong circumstances ain't nuthin' gonna save yer arse...

[SVboy]

Can i suggest you second an officer from the Lincoln station. I doubt anybody is riding the Akaroa gp at the mo!

[willytheekid]

Mr Crash is being followed by Mr Serious Wound, and is shortly to be followed by Mr Skin Grafts.

He's in a cheery mood, but it's gonna be a long road.

Pity is, he's one of the best riders in the Police, and he is very sympathetic to bikers. That sympathy won't be back until a lot later in the year.

Thanks for all the nice comments. We are part of the bike community, it's nice to have the support.

Donuts

:shit: Never nice to hear about a fellow biker down mate, especially one of your boys :no:, please send our :love: & best wishes to him and his family Ras, hope he has a speedy recovery and his bike isn't to badly knocked up either...bloody cars & there "I didn't see him" bullshit!:facepalm: (Ive heard that one before too...and its actually pronounced "I wasn't looking!")
I saw one of your team on Friday while traveling home from work, he was standing beside his work ride on Idris Rd, and as usual, I got a friendly biker wave back as I cruised past.

Take care & Ride safe mate...truly gutted to hear about the incident :bye: (Its always the nice ones int it)

-Willy, Charlotte & Wee Ryder

[willytheekid]

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a fuck about your idea of 'time and place'.

The reality is that nothing is learnt from excuses being made.

Bout time you put your money where your mouth is...post us a vid of your amazing skills mate <_< (...I keep asking!)

30yrs constant riding...and yet Ive never managed to met a rider with your range of said perception and skills....mind you...if you don't ride very often the chances of an incident ARE dramatically reduced...ay Kat

As always mate, I agree with the message you preach, but I practice it....everyday!
...this time around, just a little respect would work wonders (especially for a "professional full time rider" that could teach ALL of us on KB how to both handle a bike...and stay alive!)

[Katman]

(especially for a "professional full time rider" that could teach ALL of us on KB how to both handle a bike...and stay alive!)

Not in this instance.

[Zedder]

Not in this instance.

Feck, it's like the "Ease up on the drink" advert: "You're boring Kat".

[willytheekid]

Not in this instance.

:no:...Its easy to talk the talk(and put others down)...but if you can back it up with actions or even better a course for us mere mortals mate...sign me up!...Im always keen to learn and last another 30yrs! (Ive already done nearly every riding course there is & ridden nearly every make & model out there, either on the track, speedway or road (have you?)...so please, if you can share the knowledge & the skills...I'm there! and I'm keen to learn)

...Actions speak louder than words

[Katman]

Im always keen to learn and last another 30yrs!

That's the way.

[nzspokes]

...Actions speak louder than words

Words is all Captain Safety's got.

[oneofsix]

Sorry to read about your man Rastuscat. Nice touch only damaging the work gear, hopes that gives him something to laugh about while he heals and help deaden the pain.

[mashman]

Feck, it's like the "Ease up on the drink" advert: "You're boring Kat".

but he's in Mantrol(l) bru

[Zedder]

but he's in Mantrol(l) bru

Nah, "Should've pulled back....yeah".

[oneofsix]

but he's in Mantrol(l) bru

you mean he is playing with himself and people are feeding his fantasy, wished he would go find a porn site like most other wankers.

[mashman]

Nah, "Should've pulled back....yeah".


you mean he is playing with himself and people are feeding his fantasy, wished he would go find a porn site like most other wankers.

bad bad bad men... I won't be able to sleep now, just in case I "dream" of his dad and how he shoulda pulled back or the man himself crackin one off... safely

[GrayWolf]

Unfortunately "Being Human" is all too often used as an excuse for not trying to better yourself.

Kat, very often I agree with what you say, or your thoughts, but mate? This time even I think your being a cock. if by some misfortune it is you who is taken out in the future, I would hope the others here would show more empathy.

[GrayWolf]

One of the ironies is that the BMW boots he had on were the work supplied ones. They contained the injury, and prevented it from being worse. They got cut off.

The BMW pants he had on also helped contain the nastiness, and cordura got embedded in the wound. They were also cut off.

The rest of his gear was fine, and was all personally owned.

Now, THAT's how to crash. Sacrifice all the company supplied gear, and protect your own.

Class :)

At the end of the day Rastus most M/c popo's I've met here and in the UK are enthusiasts. Its sad to know another rider is down, and I hope the de gloving doesnt have long term repercussions. I'll also add my 'get well' to the list.

GW

[caspernz]

Katman, very often I agree with what you say, or your thoughts, but mate? This time even I think your being a cock. if by some misfortune it is you who is taken out in the future, I would hope the others here would show more empathy.

+1

By crikey Katman?!? I'm all for safety first, and fully agree with a lot of your sentiments, but you're gonna need some vaseline before you give yourself a nasty palm burn :yes::facepalm:

Rastus, please add me to the list of well wishers. Keeping your man in positive spirits will help the healing process. You'll no doubt give out some progress reports on your man, as well as the outcome for the SMIDSY driver.

[Katman]

This time even I think your being a cock.

Trouble is, sitting around rubbing each other's back and going "There, there" teaches no-one anything.

What can we learn from this thread?

1. Identify potential hazards and give them the required degree of concentration.
2. Perform a turn at an intersection at a speed that allows for evasive action.
3. Perform a turn across the front of another vehicle in a wide enough arc that maximises the space between you and that vehicle.
4. Look at the driver and try to work out what they're thinking. (The leaning forward over the steering wheel with head flopping from side to side is a dead giveaway that they haven't seen you).
5. Be prepared to use your horn if you suspect the driver hasn't seen you. (Contrary to popular belief, the horn is there as a warning device - not a "Fuck you" device).
6. Be prepared to break off the turn if the car so much as sneezes.
7. Learn to compensate for the inadequacies of other road users 'cos regardless of whether you're in the right or not, you're the one most likely to be hurt.
8. Holding hands in a circle and singing Kumbayah does fuck all for anyone.
9. Katman doesn't do sympathy very well.

[nzspokes]

7. Katman doesn't do sympathy very well.

8. Katman is Captain Safety.

[rastuscat]

So, in the wrong circumstances ain't nuthin' gonna save yer arse...

His arse is fine...............um...............I mean that in a pureley medical way................... DOH !!:shit:

[rastuscat]

I saw one of your team on Friday while traveling home from work, he was standing beside his work ride on Idris Rd, and as usual, I got a friendly biker wave back as I cruised past.


Twas me Weely. I'm the good looking one with the stripes. Stop by next time.

Or go through a red light and I'll stop you................tee hee.............

[jasonu]

Bout time you put your money where your mouth is...post us a vid of your amazing skills mate <_< (...I keep asking!)


Don't waste your breath mate. Keyboard warriors never move far enough from the computer to prove anything.

[gijoe1313]

Never good to read or hear about these sorts of things Rastus. Well wishes to your man and his family, hoping for a good recovery from this incident. Always brings home the implications of our choice of transportation these threads, reminding us all what we need to do to keep it rubber side down and things shiny.

Hope he gets a big box of doughnuts to eat as he recovers!

[willytheekid]

Twas me Weely. I'm the good looking one with the stripes. Stop by next time.

Or go through a red light and I'll stop you................tee hee.............

LOL indeed!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_b3qZbj53ZA8/TR0LYWVHO0I/AAAAAAAAAJI/CoWiTcu-u8o/s1600/cop+eating+doughnut+police+policeman.jpg

I did actually think of stopping in case he had bike trouble...then I thought "BMW"...nah NOOO chance! :laugh:

Had to sell the guzzi due to the smashed shoulder (courtesy of that drunk driving 4x4 last winter), so I have a new ride for you to have a gander over ;) (I had to buy a "lounge suit" :laugh:...or "according to the doc's"...give up riding to allow it to heal better :shit::no:)
Will keep an eye out for ya & try to "catch up: :niceone:(but they way you filter through traffic...that may be difficult!:killingme)

Ride safe mate and keep us all updated on your mans progress :doctor:

ps: As for red lights...struth...I even pause & double check when they turn green! (learn't THAT lesson many moons ago)

[pritch]

Bet he's a barrel of laughs at a party

Actually I met him recently - he seemed normal. Well, almost :laugh:

Then he posts the sort of stuff he has in this thread... :brick:

[Katman]

Actually I met him recently - he seemed normal.

It was all an act.


Then he posts the sort of stuff he has in this thread... :brick:

Seriously, if anyone is offended by what I've said in this thread they're in desperate need of hardening the fuck up.

[pritch]

5. Be prepared to use your horn if you suspect the driver hasn't seen you. (Contrary to popular belief, the horn is there as a warning device - not a "Fuck you" device).


My Nautilus is a "wake the fuck up device" and it is quite effective on the rare occasions it is used.

[Zedder]

Most people who get a blast of the horn whether it's to wake them the feck up or warn them, really take offence at it though.

[Katman]

Most people who get a blast of the horn whether it's to wake them the feck up or warn them, really take offence at it though.

There's a big difference between a short toot on the horn and trying to force the button through to the other side of the switchblock.

[GingerMidget]

There's a big difference between a short toot on the horn and trying to force the button through to the other side of the switchblock.

How would you know how much force is being applied to someone elses horn? My scooter has an incredibly sensitive horn, and I'm not shy about giving it a quick poke if someone else is endangering me.

[Zedder]

There's a big difference between a short toot on the horn and trying to force the button through to the other side of the switchblock.

My comment was a sad indictment of New Zealand drivers that act like that, but also what GM said is true.

[Katman]

My comment was a sad indictment of New Zealand drivers that act like that, but also what GM said is true.

There's plenty of sad indictments on New Zealand road users (motorcyclists included).

At the end of the day, I believe the average road user can tell the difference in intent between a short quarter of a second toot and a 5 second blast.

I'd rather use my horn and be seen than avoid using it in case I offended someone.

[Zedder]

There's plenty of sad indictments on New Zealand road users (motorcyclists included).

At the end of the day, I believe the average road user can tell the difference in intent between a short quarter of a second toot and a 5 second blast.

I'd rather use my horn and be seen than avoid using it in case I offended someone.

Even when it's a short warning toot most drivers get overly upset. It's bloody crazy.

[Oakie]

Seriously, if anyone is offended by what I've said in this thread they're in desperate need of hardening the fuck up.

I appreciate your message KM but instead of everyone 'hardening the fuck up', perhaps you could 'soften the fuck up' when delivering the message on the back of someone getting hurt or worse. Dude, it's not what you say that offends people, it's just the way you say it. Just saying ...

[jrandom]

Bet he's a barrel of laughs at a party, "Dont drink that, you might get intoxicated".

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[GTRMAN]

Trouble is, sitting around rubbing each other's back and going "There, there" teaches no-one anything.

What can we learn from this thread?

1. Identify potential hazards and give them the required degree of concentration.
2. Perform a turn at an intersection at a speed that allows for evasive action.
3. Perform a turn across the front of another vehicle in a wide enough arc that maximises the space between you and that vehicle.
4. Look at the driver and try to work out what they're thinking. (The leaning forward over the steering wheel with head flopping from side to side is a dead giveaway that they haven't seen you).
5. Be prepared to use your horn if you suspect the driver hasn't seen you. (Contrary to popular belief, the horn is there as a warning device - not a "Fuck you" device).
6. Be prepared to break off the turn if the car so much as sneezes.
7. Learn to compensate for the inadequacies of other road users 'cos regardless of whether you're in the right or not, you're the one most likely to be hurt.
8. Holding hands in a circle and singing Kumbayah does fuck all for anyone.
9. Katman doesn't do sympathy very well.

All good things to think about, and I'm sure the gentleman laying in the hospital bed is doing just that. But you have to look at your communcation style dude, from the way you post it would seem like you want to be be the guy at the top of the cliff saying "would never have happened if you had listened to me, you did this wrong and that wrong....." OR you sincerely want people to consider what you are saying and be better riders, but lack the communication skills to get your message across without sounding like a self important, supercilious ass.

If you truly care about rider safety, both your own and other bikers, then isn't worth taking the time to communicate your thoughts in a more engaging and positive way?

[caspernz]

All good things to think about, and I'm sure the gentleman laying in the hospital bed is doing just that. But you have to look at your communcation style dude, from the way you post it would seem like you want to be be the guy at the top of the cliff saying "would never have happened if you had listened to me, you did this wrong and that wrong....." OR you sincerely want people to consider what you are saying and be better riders, but lack the communication skills to get your message across without sounding like a self important, supercilious ass.

If you truly care about rider safety, both your own and other bikers, then isn't worth taking the time to communicate your thoughts in a more engaging and positive way?

One gets the impression that Katman thinks he is being positive and engaging already...

[oneofsix]

One gets the impression that Katman thinks he is being positive and engaging already...

where did you get that idea? He sets out to by challenging and upsetting and uses negativity to achieve this. Look at this thread, an off duty cop who is trained to be observant gets bowled in a SIDMY and we are meant to accept that he has better situational awareness skills than a bike cop! Really? and if a bike cop gets blind-sided by a dozzy bastard we as commuter riders or Sunday riders or what ever are meant to be able to do better. The only poster to try to attribute blame was Katman, the rest were just concerned for the downed riders well being with blame less irrelevant at this stage.
Ups to Katman for starting a separate thread on situational awareness and this si where his comments should have been in the first place.

Feel for the downed rider.

[MSTRS]

Being human IS used too often to excuse any sort of failure that leads to carnage, big or small, victim or perpetrator. Trouble is, we ARE human and we do make mistakes.
Even the best security systems have blind spots, despite the best efforts of trained specialists who design/install them. If a PTW cop can get taken out, anyone can. Including Katman, who eats, shits and breathes just like the rest of us.
All we can do is to make sure any mistakes we do make are inconsequential.

Best wishes to the injured cop.

[Bassmatt]

How would you know how much force is being applied to someone elses horn? My scooter has an incredibly sensitive horn, and I'm not shy about giving it a quick poke if someone else is endangering me.

Your boyfriends name is Scooter?

[Maha]

+1

time and place KM, this isnt it. your lack of finesse is the reason for your crusade falling on deaf ears.

But he absolutely has a point, and I know for a fact, that what he speaks of, has happened...the ones that wont to listen, will never listen.
And there is no better time/place to deliver a safety message than in a thread of this nature.

[MSTRS]

But he absolutely has a point, and I know for a fact, that what he speaks of, has happened...the ones that wont to listen, will never listen.
And there is no better time/place to deliver a safety message than in a thread of this nature.

And we keep having these threads as each new tragedy occurs. So FUCKEN often that we are in danger of becoming totally inured to them and not even try to dispense the message of personal responsibility.

[Woodman]

Personally, whenever one of these threads come up and i see katman is involved, I always have a look mainly for the humour and the ott reactions of some posters:violin:. If i see a "safe riding" thread I don't even look cos they are probarbly not entertaining at all, so thanks katman for both entertaining and informing me.

Keep it up.

[Maha]

And we keep having these threads as each new tragedy occurs. So FUCKEN often that we are in danger of becoming totally inured to them and not even try to dispense the message of personal responsibility.

Unfortunately very true John...and the likes of Boob Johnson etc, have just been replaced with the newer ilk it would seem.

[FJRider]

Even when it's a short warning toot most drivers get overly upset. It's bloody crazy.

If said driver knows they had fucked up ... they take even the short blast on the horn as a personal insult to/of their driving abilities. As with most electrical devices ... it''s either on or off. The amount of pressure on the buttom does not change volume.

The one time of the day when all attention is required ... is near the end. Be it at, or near the end of your ride/work shift, when your proximity to getting home makes you relax a little. The things you need to do when you get there (or before) taking precident in your head.

[SPman]

SMIDSY - Sorry Mate I didn't.....Mate!
You took me out you cunt - don't call me Mate!

Should be SPIDGAF - Sorry Prick I Don't Give A Fuck!

[Grubber]

Not in this instance.

Did ya just think for a moment, that it may have been out of his control you dick.....oh thats right, you don't think do you! silly me!:shutup: