The *****wit cyclist thread

[FJRider]

What is there to argue about? Aren't bikers civil rights broken by getting singled out for higher ACC levies ? lol

:laugh:

I know a member of the Civil libertys group ... he was always against the personal ID card (carried by law) idea. Untill a cyclist ran a red light and crashed into his merc'. The cyclist gave "his details" to a police officer ... (bogus details of course) His WoF had expired an Insurance co refused cover (Was a clause in fine print) ... court day came for said cyclist ... and no show by him (supprise supprise)
Now one LESS member of the civil libertys group.

There are some that will always believe their rights are more important ... even to the detriment of everybody elses rights ...

[5150]

Yep, bikers are certainly discriminated against.

The thing is though if cyclists have to get licensed it'll just turn into another income stream for the Government. We're taxed to hell now and are officially the 13th most taxed country in the world.

Who's next? Skate boarders?

But untill more cyclists die and anything changes, then registered road users will get pinged even if the said cyclist was in the wrong, and only beacuse it is easier to prosecute a driver then it is to prosecute a cyclist. At least that is how I understand the current law as it stands

[Mushu]

Yep, bikers are certainly discriminated against.

The thing is though if cyclists have to get licensed it'll just turn into another income stream for the Government. We're taxed to hell now and are officially the 13th most taxed country in the world.

Who's next? Skate boarders?

Yes it would turn to another income stream, about time somebody else pays tax.
Between my 2 cars, my bike and a carrivan all registered to me and all the levies get paid, plus I drive 800 to 1000km a week (and both cars run only BP Ultimate) the bike just gets 95ron. I also smoked untill recently and I'm single with no kids. Honestly I think I have paid enough tax

Conversely my cousins family of 6 has one registered car that only travels as far as school so does maybe 100k a week, given that my bike is triple the cost of the cars and I'm not sure what the carivan cost to register, that means I'm paying 5 times as much to register my vehicles and up to 10 times as much at the pump

Also she has had more accidents than me and 3 of the 4 kids are boys so there are regular hospital trips for various injuries, and she is a stay at home mum so gets some form of benefit

My philosophy is tax everyone according to their history, someone with heaps of crashes should pay more tax, tax restricted drivers a bit higher, tax anyone who goes on the road: skate boards, scooters, mobility scooters, cyclists, cars, bikes, trailers.
that way it would be tax-per-driver rather than paying tax on vehicles parked in garages, and why should I contribute to road user tax when I want to mow my lawn or ride a trail bike.

I really have no idea how some of you guys that have a few bikes pay for it, I have always had trouble keeping my car paid up and thats nowhere near as much as the lowest charge for 1 bike

[Zedder]

But untill more cyclists die and anything changes, then registered road users will get pinged even if the said cyclist was in the wrong, and only beacuse it is easier to prosecute a driver then it is to prosecute a cyclist. At least that is how I understand the current law as it stands

I know in the UK and USA cyclists get arrested and charged for some offences but I'm not up with the NZ situation.

[Zedder]

Yes it would turn to another income stream, about time somebody else pays tax.
Between my 2 cars, my bike and a carrivan all registered to me and all the levies get paid, plus I drive 800 to 1000km a week (and both cars run only BP Ultimate) the bike just gets 95ron. I also smoked untill recently and I'm single with no kids. Honestly I think I have paid enough tax

Conversely my cousins family of 6 has one registered car that only travels as far as school so does maybe 100k a week, given that my bike is triple the cost of the cars and I'm not sure what the carivan cost to register, that means I'm paying 5 times as much to register my vehicles and up to 10 times as much at the pump

Also she has had more accidents than me and 3 of the 4 kids are boys so there are regular hospital trips for various injuries, and she is a stay at home mum so gets some form of benefit

My philosophy is tax everyone according to their history, someone with heaps of crashes should pay more tax, tax restricted drivers a bit higher, tax anyone who goes on the road: skate boards, scooters, mobility scooters, cyclists, cars, bikes, trailers.
that way it would be tax-per-driver rather than paying tax on vehicles parked in garages, and why should I contribute to road user tax when I want to mow my lawn or ride a trail bike.

I really have no idea how some of you guys that have a few bikes pay for it, I have always had trouble keeping my car paid up and thats nowhere near as much as the lowest charge for 1 bike

Don't give the Government ideas man!

[Mushu]

Don't give the Government ideas man!

Don't you want to offset the stupid amounts you have to pay for rego on your bike? Let the pricks pay, I say.

I'm sick of paying more than my share

[5150]

Don't you want to offset the stupid amounts you have to pay for rego on your bike? Let the pricks pay, I say.

I'm sick of paying more than my share

Shit, if only farmers and off roaders paid their share of ACC for farm bike and motorcross accidents, then suddenly us road motorcyclists wouldn't look so bad .....:facepalm:

[Zedder]

Don't you want to offset the stupid amounts you have to pay for rego on your bike? Let the pricks pay, I say.

I'm sick of paying more than my share

Do you seriously trust the Government to reduce current bike rego etc costs because new users are being taxed?

[mossy1200]

Do you seriously trust the Government to reduce current bike rego etc costs because new users are being taxed?

Nope they will call it a two wheel tax and add it onto us aswell as an extra.

[Zedder]

Nope they will call it a two wheel tax and add it onto us aswell as an extra.

Yep, at the very least.

[Jantar]

The kicker is ... as a licence is not required to operate them ... personal ID is often not carried. It's certainly not required by law. A drivers licence is required to be carried (by those issued them) ... but not everybody has one. (or admit at time they have one ... if it suits)

The cop may issue a ticket to a cyclist ... but if given details are false ... the cyclist is in the clear. ..... <_<
The police have the right to detain anyone for the purpose of establishing their identity. Maybe if a few cyclists were held up at the side of the road for half an hour or so while the popo checked that they were who they claimed to be then they would learn the frustration that the rest of us feel when we are being delayed by cyclists.

[FJRider]

The police have the right to detain anyone for the purpose of establishing their identity. Maybe if a few cyclists were held up at the side of the road for half an hour or so while the popo checked that they were who they claimed to be then they would learn the frustration that the rest of us feel when we are being delayed by cyclists.

They can take them back to the station too ... (my preference) ... but for minor "incidents" ... the cop seldom bothers to waste the time ... (unless it suits of course)

[5150]

They can take them back to the station too ... (my preference) ... but for minor "incidents" ... the cop seldom bothers to waste the time ... (unless it suits of course)

Let the air out of their tires, confiscate the hand pump and make the cunts walk. Problem fixed (sort off(ish))

[oneofsix]

Let the air out of their tires, confiscate the hand pump and make the cunts walk. Problem fixed (sort off(ish))

I like the method I heard was employed by a DOC ranger, remove the chain. They can collect from the station when they have have photo ID, along with the ticket of course. Many will chose not to collect their chains but wheeling their bikes home and having to buy a new one will have served somewhat.

[NordieBoy]

I like the method I heard was employed by a DOC ranger, remove the chain.
Sounds very dodgy from a legal standpoint.

[Tigadee]

DOC rangers issue tickets for running red lights and riding unsafely? :blink:

[oneofsix]

Sounds very dodgy from a legal standpoint.

Lots of shit gets legally confiscated some of which you don't get back, like booze. Its affective, especially in this rumoured case as the cyclist was in the middle of a walking track where mountain bikes were banned.

[unstuck]

Lots of shit gets legally confiscated some of which you don't get back, like booze. Its affective, especially in this rumoured case as the cyclist was in the middle of a walking track where mountain bikes were banned.

I confiscated 2 mtb,s off a couple of youngish chaps when I was with DOC, they had been ripping up a new track we had spent a lot of time getting ready for opening. Boy did I get in some shit for that:spanking:.It Was worth it though and I would do it again.:Punk:

[Mushu]

Do you seriously trust the Government to reduce current bike rego etc costs because new users are being taxed?

Unfortunatly, I don't, but they really couldn't get any more money off me if they try so let them go for it. The government always has you by the balls, thats all they're here for.

But what I propose is a Tax-per-person scheme rather than tax-per-vehicle, allowing you to have multiple vehicles and not pay (much) extra and that would make it easier to hold cyclists accountable for their actions without requiring every bike out there to be registered.

We would still get raped for riding Motorcycles (those who don't ride will always see them as extremely dangerous) but only once, and if you raise the tax level for people who crash often or drink drive or have 100 kids and down for volunteer work, good driving record, clean medical history etc, etc. Eventually those of us that don't cost society much as far as actual dollars would wind up paying less (yea I know I'm daydreaming)

you'd think someone would have found a way to avoid tax by now, how do you go about declaring a soverign nation lol

[Dadpole]

What this seems to boil down to is:
Tax and levy everyone, but reduce my amount.
Force identity cards on everyone and stop them at random, but not me. :innocent:

[North island falcon]

Shit, if only farmers and off roaders paid their share of ACC for farm bike and motorcross accidents, then suddenly us road motorcyclists wouldn't look so bad .....:facepalm:

Farmers who employ staff pay very high ACC levies on behalf of their staff and self employed farmers pay massive ACC levies (over $8000 this year for me).

[Zedder]

Unfortunatly, I don't, but they really couldn't get any more money off me if they try so let them go for it. The government always has you by the balls, thats all they're here for.

But what I propose is a Tax-per-person scheme rather than tax-per-vehicle, allowing you to have multiple vehicles and not pay (much) extra and that would make it easier to hold cyclists accountable for their actions without requiring every bike out there to be registered.

We would still get raped for riding Motorcycles (those who don't ride will always see them as extremely dangerous) but only once, and if you raise the tax level for people who crash often or drink drive or have 100 kids and down for volunteer work, good driving record, clean medical history etc, etc. Eventually those of us that don't cost society much as far as actual dollars would wind up paying less (yea I know I'm daydreaming)

you'd think someone would have found a way to avoid tax by now, how do you go about declaring a soverign nation lol

It's the old story alright, Government is supposedly here to serve the people (in a democracy) but all too often they get very off track.

We're already on a tax-per-person basis but they just keep coming up with more categories to tax us on personally.

A massive EMP event that would destroy all electronic records and abilty to create them is probably the only real answer because voting certainly doesn't work.

[SimJen]

Its the casual off roaders that cost ACC so much. The guys that do half a dozen rides a year and break bones half a dozen times a year :)
ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?

[oneofsix]

It's the old story alright, Government is supposedly here to serve the people (in a democracy) but all too often they get very off track.



:shit: government for the people, by the people etc etc. You must be joking.
Sorry but I tend to agree with this guy

He sees one of the problems of modern leadership as attracting people like David Cameron in Britain "Eton and Oxford, into the Tory research unit and into Parliament. In the 1950s when I was in the Press gallery in Wellington there were farmers, teachers, waterside workers and miners. They'd all been hungry ... if you look at the House now it's essentially middle class or upper-middle class with a sense of entitlement.

And given he quotes the English PM as well he isn't just talking about NZ though he does sum us up with

Under such politicians, McLauchlan believes, New Zealand has become "a broken country, and no-one wants to fix it". And New Zealanders have lapsed "into a lack of passion bordering on inertness". If a New Zealander feels a bout of passion coming on, "he goes and paints a roof".
Particularly the bit about painting the roof, I guess with us its go for a ride.

[Zedder]

:shit: government for the people, by the people etc etc. You must be joking.
Sorry but I tend to agree with this guy


And given he quotes the English PM as well he isn't just talking about NZ though he does sum us up with

Particularly the bit about painting the roof, I guess with us its go for a ride.


I bypassed joking and went to sarcasm: "supposedly etc".

However, there's certainly a different breed (loose terminology) in Parliament these days and more's the pity.

As for "go for a ride" don't forget: Or putting rego on hold or not paying it, which at least is something.

[oneofsix]

I bypassed joking and went to sarcasm: "supposedly etc".

However, there's certainly a different breed (loose terminology) in Parliament these days and more's the pity.

As for "go for a ride" don't forget: Or putting rego on hold or not paying it, which at least is something.

Rego on hold; passive, silent protest. Yes better than nothing but easily ignored. Then again the current crop are so self entitled and self important that they ignore everything that doesn't personally threaten them.

[5150]

Farmers who employ staff pay very high ACC levies on behalf of their staff and self employed farmers pay massive ACC levies (over $8000 this year for me).

No different to any other employer or self employed person. What are you getting at?

[Zedder]

Rego on hold; passive, silent protest. Yes better than nothing but easily ignored. Then again the current crop are so self entitled and self important that they ignore everything that doesn't personally threaten them.

But that's "the game", people are going to alternatives that are within their power. I know plenty of who have stopped paying rego, started going to accountants, working for cash only etc and good on them.

[5150]

Further developments with the lycra clad sausage jockey in CHCH assult case

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6756739/Man-arrested-over-mountain-biker-assault

Oh well, looks like someone will have their mountain bike confiscated for throwing a tantrum :violin:

[SimJen]

just petty, further reinforces the fact that cyclists are ghey!
what happened to sorting stuff out ourselves without cops being involved?
I would have happily joined in fisticuffs if it was me!

[North island falcon]

No different to any other employer or self employed person. What are you getting at?

The previous statement that "if only farmers contributed to ACC" is what I am getting at. They do.

[Asher]

I like the method I heard was employed by a DOC ranger, remove the chain.

DOC workers are carrying chain breakers now?
It would be nice if registration changed so you only got charged for your highest levied vehicle, means people could own more than one vehicle without the Government raping them.

[Mushu]

Its the casual off roaders that cost ACC so much. The guys that do half a dozen rides a year and break bones half a dozen times a year :)
ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?

My point exactly, but only small hikes in levies for each "dangerous" activity but substantial hikes after hospital visits that way those of us that can operate a trail bike and stack every now and then (everyone comes off occasionally) wont be lumped in with these guys that can't ride and think there Crusty Demons or whatever. Basicly if someone is at the hospital once a month because of injury (and not illness) then I think their ACC levies should be far higher than someone like myself that has never in my life been admitted to hospital.

Some people are too stupid for society, why should I have to pay extra cos some asshole doesn't understand how to keep themselves safe. I believe we are breeding these people and they will become more and more common as a result of society removing all the ways they can kill themselves along the way, OSH and medical science have gone too far and ruled out Darwinism and it costs the rest of us to look after these idiots

[5150]

The previous statement that "if only farmers contributed to ACC" is what I am getting at. They do.

My previous, previous statment was refering to all offroad motorcycles including farm quads and mx type bikes.

[jasonu]

. I am intending to write a letter to the Police commisioner describing the incident and asking for his view on the cyclling and their policing matters. So watch this space

I'm sure that will make all the difference...

[5150]

I'm sure that will make all the difference...

Probably not, but it will make him work harder for his mega salary, and it might give me some more answers on how the beaurocrats think. lol :shifty:

[Zedder]

Probably not, but it will make him work harder for his mega salary, and it might give me some more answers on how the beaurocrats think. lol :shifty:

Fair enough 5150, I write to public servants often.

[oneofsix]

Probably not, but it will make him work harder for his mega salary, and it might give me some more answers on how the beaurocrats think. lol :shifty:

It will do a hell of a lot better than not writing in.

[Berries]

Its the casual off roaders that cost ACC so much. The guys that do half a dozen rides a year and break bones half a dozen times a year :)
ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?
I have had three or four ACC claims and they were all skydiving related. I understand that it comes out of a different bucket to the on road costs, but in the end it is all the same bucket isn't it? In essence that treatment was free because, like rugby players, mountaineers and MX riders, I did not pay any levy.

Totally agree that if we are going to have personal medical insurance it should be linked to risk and past history. But that would be too hard.

[p.dath]

ACC should be on a per person basis, you should list your hobbies, motorcycling/skydiving etc and should only be able to make claims for injuries caused doing your listed hobbies! This way you are paying for your personal ACC insurance! Items outside these might be covered but with a corresponding hike in your levies for the following year?

Like that will work. People would simply lie on the form to pay less ACC levies.

And we used to have personal injury insurance before ACC. It was a complete failure, which is why this country had a Royal Commission of Inquiry, that produced the Woodhouse report, and ACC was bought in to replace it - and works much better.


I have had three or four ACC claims and they were all skydiving related. I understand that it comes out of a different bucket to the on road costs, but in the end it is all the same bucket isn't it?

By "bucket" if you means the collective pockets of the tax payers of NZ, then yes, ultimately we pay for it one way or another. All you can argue about is how to slice the pie up.

[SimJen]

Like that will work. People would simply lie on the form to pay less ACC levies.

And we used to have personal injury insurance before ACC. It was a complete failure, which is why this country had a Royal Commission of Inquiry, that produced the Woodhouse report, and ACC was bought in to replace it - and works much better.


Yeah they could lie, but when a claim is made then ACC will know! Hike in levies for that person for the next year!
No system is perfect but it could be a little fairer, currently us Road Motorcyclists pay for the all the other idiots, cyclists, motorcrossers etc.
Just have to find a way to divvy it up correctly.....

[oneofsix]

Yeah they could lie, but when a claim is made then ACC will know! Hike in levies for that person for the next year!
No system is perfect but it could be a little fairer, currently us Road Motorcyclists pay for the all the other idiots, cyclists, motorcrossers etc.
Just have to find a way to divvy it up correctly.....

How about we all pay the same amount. Perhaps adjusted for affordability. We all benefit from the others choices, directly or indirectly. Cages benefit from bikers due to less congestion. The country benefits from skydivers, bungee jumpers etc through tourists. Lets go back to the original idea of a no blame, shared risk system instead of this creep to an insurance.

[oneofsix]

Baby hurt after being hit by cyclist


Three people including a baby have been hospitalised with moderate injuries after a cyclist crashed into pedestrians in Wellington this morning.

Inspector Mike Coleman said emergency services were called to the scene on Adelaide Rd, Mt Cook, about 8.15am.

An ambulance communications spokeswoman said a cyclist, a man and a baby suffered moderate injuries in the crash.

just to stir things up :devil2:

[FJRider]

How about we all pay the same amount. Perhaps adjusted for affordability. We all benefit from the others choices, directly or indirectly. Cages benefit from bikers due to less congestion. The country benefits from skydivers, bungee jumpers etc through tourists. Lets go back to the original idea of a no blame, shared risk system instead of this creep to an insurance.

You forget the number of those overseas tourists each year ... that injure themselves ... and are fully entitled to ACC cover while here in NZ. Few paying anything in the way of an ACC levy.

[Tigadee]

You forget the number of those overseas tourists each year ... that injure themselves ... and are fully entitled to ACC cover while here in NZ. Few paying anything in the way of an ACC levy.

Well, with the not-so-cheap tourist attractions, accommodations and activities here, how else are we going to pull them tourists in?

[5150]

Well, with the not-so-cheap tourist attractions, accommodations and activities here, how else are we going to pull them tourists in?

Make them pay full cost of rehabilitation. After all that is what medical and travel inurance are for. Kiwis don't get free or cheap treatment when we go overseas. Thats why we get travel insurance

[neels]

Baby hurt after being hit by cyclist

just to stir things up :devil2:
Selective quoting is like lies, damn lies and statistics really, isn't it.....so some more of the article....:facepalm:


Senior Sergeant John van den Heuvel said it appeared a 33-year-old man carrying his 14-month-old son did not see the cyclist and stepped out on to the road in front of him.

The toddler suffered minor injuries while his father suffered facial injuries and his neck was immobilised as a precautionary measure, van den Heuvel said.

The 32-year-old cyclist suffered "bumps, scrapes and a sore back", he said.

Police were investigating the incident and "the actions of the pedestrian appear to be careless

[Padmei]

Buzzy bee says harden the fuck up nancy boys

[Swoop]

BuzzyBoi appears to not have liked the police knocking on his door and asking questions.

[FJRider]

BuzzyBoi appears to not have liked the police knocking on his door and asking questions.

He should have let camera boy past ... and wack him from behind ...

[Swoop]

He should have let camera boy past ... and wack him from behind ...
One never knows.
He might like to whack other lycra-clad boys from behind.

[5150]

I see our friend was arrested and charged, not only that, but he was even agro at the popos for even id-ing him and comming into his house. What a knob. Hope he goes to jail and gets his arse reemed out with a bicycle pump :buggerd:

[Padmei]

Free Buzzy Bee

i've started a hunger strike... Well after my chunky kit kat bar.



and my chocolate macaroons...




and chips....

rude not to have dip with that.

[Tigadee]

Free Buzzy Bee

My kids would love to have a free buzzy bee toy, thank you!

Where or to whom should I apply to?

[5150]

HAHA, looks like cyclists are fighting back:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/columnists/joshua-drummond/6785233/The-terrifying-game-of-chance?comment_msg=posted#post_comment

Or just venting.....:violin:

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800843

So they are saying being an ignorant cunt to another rider and then attacking him on a public trail is just a 'spat'...

[Zedder]

No, that's his lawyer playing it down.

[avgas]

HAHA, looks like cyclists are fighting back:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/columnists/joshua-drummond/6785233/The-terrifying-game-of-chance?comment_msg=posted#post_comment

Or just venting.....:violin:
Sweet I am going to throw diapers now.

[SimJen]

Sweet I am going to throw diapers now.

some good ideas for projectiles in that article! Noted!

[5150]

Sweet I am going to throw diapers now.

Make sure they full ofcourse ;)

[FJRider]

No, that's his lawyer playing it down.

I see he features on the 4.30 news on one ...this afternoom. Might have to watch.

[jasonu]

No, that's his lawyer playing it down.

Yes but on his clients (BuzzyBee guy) instruction.

[Zedder]

Yes but on his clients (BuzzyBee guy) instruction.

Do you think BuzzyBee guy has the brains to do that? Lawyers' down play their clients offending as a matter of course. He's also setting the scene for the Restorative Justice Conference.