Appeal to help man paralysed during arrest [Archive]

GTRMAN

27th April 2012, 10:55

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6816308/Appeal-to-help-man-paralysed-during-arrest

So a couple of issues with this....

First of all, crap reporting 'appears to have a broken neck' either he does or he doesn't. report the facts for once.

Second, this idiot is driving whilst disqualified, gets pulled over and legs it from the police, falls whilst getting pushed back over a fence he must have already jumped and we are supposed to feel sorry for him?

Asher

27th April 2012, 11:12

It makes me laugh at how some people can go from being criminals to victims so fast.

nodrog

27th April 2012, 11:15

It makes me laugh at how some people can go from being criminals to victims so fast.

Fuck yeah, what a pain in the neck.

That will learn him for messing with da ministry of da fence.

scott411

27th April 2012, 11:57

Maha

27th April 2012, 12:08

It makes me laugh at how some people can go from being criminals to victims so fast.

If he didn't run, he wouldn't have, but at least the girls love him....:love:

JATZ

27th April 2012, 12:12

If he didn't run, he wouldn't have, but at least the girls love him....:love:

Yip :yes: fuck im

He coulda not driven while disqualified or stayed in his car. obviously his own worst enemy.

HenryDorsetCase

27th April 2012, 12:17

So, if it is established the po po gave him a bit of the slipper or used excessive force, you're good with that?

Just airing a contrary view.

Maha

27th April 2012, 12:38

So, if it is established the po po gave him a bit of the slipper or used excessive force, you're good with that?

Just airing a contrary view.

He'll be compensated if that ends up being the outcome of the enquiry...
Does not deter from the fact that...he was driving whilst disqualified and runs like a little bitch when he gets pulled over from the police.
Two very dumb decisions that, he alone made. He is alive, and his era of judgement will stay with him forever.

SMOKEU

27th April 2012, 12:42

This reminds me of the little shits in Aussie who stole a car and then got shot by the cops. They should at least be thankful that they live in a country with a good health care system, otherwise they'd be left on the streets to bleed to death in a more impoverished nation.

GTRMAN

27th April 2012, 12:51

He'll be compensated if that ends up being the outcome of the enquiry...
Does not deter from the fact that...he was driving whilst disqualified and runs like a little bitch when he gets pulled over from the police.
Two very dumb decisions that, he alone made. He is alive, and his era of judgement will stay with him forever.

Of course we have to remember that we now live in a society where dealing with the consequences of your actions is discouraged... Doesn't matter what I did it was someone elses fault.

Zedder

27th April 2012, 12:51

He'll be compensated if that ends up being the outcome of the enquiry...
Does not deter from the fact that...he was driving whilst disqualified and runs like a little bitch when he gets pulled over from the police.
Two very dumb decisions that, he alone made. He is alive, and his era of judgement will stay with him forever.

Yep, he actually made an earlier dumb decision (or decisions) that caused him to be disqualified in the first place so it looks like he's got a habit of doing these things.

SimJen

27th April 2012, 13:30

looking at his pic, looks like he's travelled forward in time from an early 90's boy band!
Stupid move on his part, and while its unfortunate that he may now be a cripple, he's only got his floppy haired own ass to thank for it for running in the first place.

oneofsix

27th April 2012, 13:43

Of course we have to remember that we now live in a society where dealing with the consequences of your actions is discouraged... Doesn't matter what I did it was someone elses fault.

yip he will get ACC and wont have to pay increased levies to cover it.

Asher

27th April 2012, 13:53

At least he wont be running from the cops now, or driving.

Hellzie

27th April 2012, 13:57

avgas

27th April 2012, 14:07

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrl519y4E81qdres4.gif

ducatilover

27th April 2012, 14:10

I'd be hopping mad if I were him, if I could hop. He must be extremely proud of himself.

Muppets being muppets eh?

SimJen

27th April 2012, 14:14

stupid is as stupid does!

Haggis2

27th April 2012, 16:01

stupid is as stupid does!

True that, he obviously couldn't run like Forrest though but proved him right on another count - shit happens.

Shadowjack

27th April 2012, 16:49

LOL... pun intended?
I had something similar lined up. Good thing I read the whole thread before I chimed in, then...

XxKiTtiExX

27th April 2012, 17:02

the campbell live peice was just as bad last night, very few facts and a heap of inuendo,

Anything for a story lol

Laava

27th April 2012, 17:54

the campbell live peice was just as bad last night, very few facts and a heap of inuendo,

Actually the Cambell piece was on the money. I have family links to this guy and yes he was doing what he does. There is a lot more to it of course and we have not heard the police side of the story and will have to wait for a year or 2 now. There have been reporters and cops outside his hosp ward for a week now and it is amazing how it stayed out of the news for a whole week!
It is bad news for all who are involved with the only upside being that he is off the road which he needs to be frankly.

FJRider

27th April 2012, 19:29

It makes me laugh at how some people can go from being criminals to victims so fast.

Alleged ... he was escaping while in the process of being arrested. So he had not been even charged yet. Allegedly driving whilst disqualified ... does not make you a criminal.

FJRider

27th April 2012, 19:32

... the only upside being that he is off the road which he needs to be frankly.

And ... he may not ever drive again ...

But the good part is ... ACC will look after him for a few years to come.

sil3nt

27th April 2012, 19:33

Good for a laugh http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Shane-Legg/392918407405313

ducatilover

27th April 2012, 20:08

I'd tell everyone they pushed me too :bleh: ACC would pay for my smokes.

Laava

27th April 2012, 20:11

Alleged ... he was escaping while in the process of being arrested. So he had not been even charged yet. Allegedly driving whilst disqualified ... does not make you a criminal.

Yes he was running from the cops................again

Yes he IS a disqualified driver, again again again etc etc
he has a history of fleeing from the cops.

Pussy

27th April 2012, 20:18

Good for a laugh http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Shane-Legg/392918407405313

What a lot of tripe, eh?

Pussy

27th April 2012, 20:20

... and Mrs Hitler would like it made known that her little boy was really a good boy, and just misunderstood...

haydes55

27th April 2012, 20:21

Police stupidity? Yes.
If the police are found at fault of the injury, the individual officers should be held accountable for causing bodily harm.

The now paralysed man should still be charged with driving while disqualified and evading arrest.

DrunkenMistake

27th April 2012, 20:23

FJRider

27th April 2012, 20:24

Yes he was running from the cops................again

Yes he IS a disqualified driver, again again again etc etc
he has a history of fleeing from the cops.

Although I have NO sympathy for the useless sod ... his actions (including those previous actions) do not absolve Police from any (alledged) dangerous actions. Regardless of if he deserved it or not.

Laava

27th April 2012, 20:33

The now paralysed man should still be charged with driving while disqualified and evading arrest.

Seems kinda pointless to press charges now tho doesn't it?

Although I have NO sympathy for the useless sod ... his actions (including those previous actions) do not absolve Police from any (alledged) dangerous actions. Regardless of if he deserved it or not.

As I said, it is a bad outcome for everyone incl the taxpayer[us] !
The family are gutted but they know what goes on and are not putting their boy on a pedestal. TBH I don't think that it has actually really sunk in yet esp with Shane. He was having surgery today so they can move him to MM hosp. He will have been an drugs the whole time he has been in ICU I bet!

Asher

27th April 2012, 20:39

Seems kinda pointless to press charges now tho doesn't it?

As I said, it is a bad outcome for everyone incl the taxpayer[us] !
The family are gutted but they know what goes on and are not putting their boy on a pedestal. TBH I don't think that it has actually really sunk in yet esp with Shane. He was having surgery today so they can move him to MM hosp. He will have been an drugs the whole time he has been in ICU I bet!

I was under the impression that any injury caused while doing something illegal wasnt covered by acc

oneofsix

27th April 2012, 20:46

Seems kinda pointless to press charges now tho doesn't it?

Never known our legal system let poetic justice get in the way of charging people.

As I said, it is a bad outcome for everyone incl the taxpayer[us] !
The family are gutted but they know what goes on and are not putting their boy on a pedestal. TBH I don't think that it has actually really sunk in yet esp with Shane. He was having surgery today so they can move him to MM hosp. He will have been an drugs the whole time he has been in ICU I bet!

I hope he recovers the use of his legs and recovers, and that he grows up rather then uses it as an excuse to be more stupid.
However I do agree with this part of FJRider's post :shutup:

his actions (including those previous actions) do not absolve Police from any (alledged) dangerous actions
rather than bracketing alleged I think I would have emphasized it.

oneofsix

27th April 2012, 20:57

I was under the impression that any injury caused while doing something illegal wasnt covered by acc

Glad you have had your impression corrected then. You can even be a gun toting murder and get ACC for injuries suffer due to actions taken to stop you killing more people and they will cover you for injuries suffered escaping prison.

The beauty of a no fault system, we the tax payer pay the compensation rather than lawyer fees defending stupid wrongful injury cases, cheaper in the long run and less painful for us.

Imagine paying legal aid and crown lawyers for Graeme Burton to sue the cops for shooting his leg off and then if they lose still having to buy him the false leg and pay compensation as well :eek: Pity it was so long range they missed his head :shutup:

Laava

27th April 2012, 21:04

I was under the impression that any injury caused while doing something illegal wasnt covered by acc
AFAIK there has been a proposal to make this the case. Pretty sure it isn't ATM. But this would open a can of worms because he had been arrested and was no longer doing anything illegal, would be how it would pan out in court.

Never known our legal system let poetic justice get in the way of charging people.

LOL sadly you are right but we will see I guess. He is not in a position to be punished tho. What could they do?

I hope he recovers the use of his legs and recovers, and that he grows up rather then uses it as an excuse to be more stupid.
However I do agree with this part of FJRider's post :shutup:

rather than bracketing alleged I think I would have emphasized it.

Recovery looking unlikely I think unfortunely.

FJRider

27th April 2012, 21:17

AFAIK there has been a proposal to make this the case. Pretty sure it isn't ATM. But this would open a can of worms because he had been arrested and was no longer doing anything illegal, would be how it would pan out in court.

Rules are already in place to stop those in the process of an illegal action ... be denied ACC cover. Running from Police may be deemed "illegal" ... but if while under arrest (with handcuff's on), is pushed over a fence by the arresting officer(s) ... ACC cover may still be available.

But I doubt if ACC help will be confirmed untill the Police report/verdict on those officers actions are made public.

haydes55

27th April 2012, 22:24

Your mother should slap the silly off your face.

I know of someone who came around a blind corner in a car, mid corner the road was gravel for repairs, no road works signs (stolen apparently). He crashed, ended up in a hospital bed for over a month, got out and was greeted by a dangerous driving charge.

Does 2 wrongs make a right? He still broke several laws and still deserves the exact same punishment as anyone else who breaks the law. Letting him off without conviction would imply the police paralysing him was his punishment, which is a corporal punishment.

GingerMidget

27th April 2012, 22:52

What a muppet.

If he hadn't been doing illegal shit, again, he wouldn't have needed to have been arrested and none of this would have happened. As for that facebook page, jesus. If those people are the future for this world, stop the ride, I want off.

I have zero sympathy for him.

As far as I was aware, after the GB incident the ACC rules regarding doing illegal shit and getting compo cos you got your leg shot off had been changed. I might be wrong, but hey throwing that out there?

DrunkenMistake

28th April 2012, 00:10

What a muppet.

If he hadn't been doing illegal shit, again, he wouldn't have needed to have been arrested and none of this would have happened. As for that facebook page, jesus. If those people are the future for this world, stop the ride, I want off.

I have zero sympathy for him.

+1
My lord a woman who makes sense!?
:msn-wink:

But can she make a sammich....

Woodman

28th April 2012, 09:24

A muppet indeed. Accident just waiting to happen.

The fact that John campbell is all over this is reason enough to not have any sympathy. Wonder if the commenteees on facebook are indicative of campbells audience? My guess is they are the more intelligent ones as they seem to be able to read and write.

mashman

28th April 2012, 09:52

So he broke his neck in Police custody? Aided by the Police? Yup, totally his own fault.

Bikemad

28th April 2012, 09:57

news just to hand.............Ellen DeGeneras rang..............she wants her hair back

ducatilover

28th April 2012, 11:09

So he broke his neck in Police custody? Aided by the Police? Yup, totally his own fault.

I doubt we'll ever know the full story, so yes, it is his fault KB said.
Now go make scones.

Fast Eddie

28th April 2012, 11:17

So, if it is established the po po gave him a bit of the slipper or used excessive force, you're good with that?

Just airing a contrary view.

I'm good with that.

if ya break the law then you break the law and ur on the wrong side of the fence (teehee), they get enough chocolate cake, steak and tv in prison. somewhere along the line they need a smack

scumdog

29th April 2012, 18:05

Yep, he actually made an earlier dumb decision (or decisions) that caused him to be disqualified in the first place so it looks like he's got a habit of doing these things.

He might be slow when it comes to driving when he shouldn't but I bet in the future he won't be so keen to get over a fence while cuffed...

Mom

29th April 2012, 18:08

Hell of a lesson though. Stupid boy! Al, sorry to hear your whanau is dealing with this shit.

Laava

29th April 2012, 18:35

It is a bit tough. I have never met the boy or his Dad but MamaJo has and the sistert/daughter is a very much loved and cherished partner of MamaJo's oldest son. So I know her well and know to a small extent what she has to put up with and what is going on. Note that the media still refer to Shane as the Prisoner! I believe he is currently in an induced coma and on a respirator.

scumdog

29th April 2012, 18:37

Laava

29th April 2012, 19:52

When the druggy fog clears from his brain he is going to start really suffering!

tigertim20

29th April 2012, 20:12

I'm good with that.

if ya break the law then you break the law and ur on the wrong side of the fence (teehee), they get enough chocolate cake, steak and tv in prison. somewhere along the line they need a smack

so if your missus was arrested for DIC after having two glasses of wine with dinner, was handcuffed, and pushed over a fence by a cop, resulting in a broken neck, you would hold no grievance against the cops?
I doubt that.

Its funny how the KB jury seem comfortable with making a decision, without having all the facts - but were so uproariously opposed to the levy increases, because they believed there was contrary evidence . . .

something smells funny here, and for once it aint my undies...

DMNTD

29th April 2012, 20:13

So he broke his neck in Police custody? Aided by the Police? Yup, totally his own fault.

My thoughts exactly...muppet or not, no one (well not many) deserve that if that is what actually happened.

ducatilover

29th April 2012, 20:14

so if your missus was arrested for DIC after having two glasses of wine with dinner, was handcuffed, and pushed over a fence by a cop, resulting in a broken neck, you would hold no grievance against the cops?
I doubt that.

Its funny how the KB jury seem comfortable with making a decision, without having all the facts - but were so uproariously opposed to the levy increases, because they believed there was contrary evidence . . .

something smells funny here, and for once it aint my undies...

What proof do we have that he was pushed? (I'll happily stand/sit/type corrected)

DMNTD

29th April 2012, 20:15

What proof do we have that he was pushed? (I'll happily stand/sit/type corrected)

Sure...but what proof do you have that he wasn't?

Pitch forks at dawn?

scumdog

29th April 2012, 20:21

What proof do we have that he was pushed? (I'll happily stand/sit/type corrected)

Hey, this IS Kiwibiker!

No proof needed.

Ever.
And facts equally are not needed...

Fast Eddie

29th April 2012, 20:21

Bikemad

29th April 2012, 20:25

something smells funny here, and for once it aint my undies...

no but you could use a mint

tigertim20

29th April 2012, 20:32

What proof do we have that he was pushed? (I'll happily stand/sit/type corrected)
thats half my point - there is an opinion in this thread that 'fuck him, he was a bit of a troublesome bugger, so fuck him, tough shit' - I was trying to point out that there are facts yet to be heard before anyone can really go giving a well reasoned, properly considered opinion, my post was in reference to HDC asking this:

So, if it is established the po po gave him a bit of the slipper or used excessive force, you're good with that?

Just airing a contrary view.
to which fast eddie replied that yes, he would have been okay with it if that was the case

lol hang on, why would she need to get pushed over a fence in the first place?

why does that matter? you said that IF the cop used excessive force or gave him a bit of the slipper, and in doing to caused, or heavily contributed to his injuries, you would definitely be okay with that - there was no discussion as to why it occurred, you simply made a blanket statement that you would be okay with that cause/effect scenario, regardless of the circumstances.
Its easy to make a 'fuck him' type comment about some cunt youve never met, but now that a theoretical circumstance involves you, or someone close to you, you suddenly want to ask more questions, and consider the other factors and circumstances . . .

tigertim20

29th April 2012, 20:34

no but you could use a mint

I could use a few things right now!:shifty::laugh:

Fast Eddie

29th April 2012, 20:37

lol na for the sake of consistancy im still on the cops side. Mrs shouldn't have been driving drunk. bloody crims

haha

ducatilover

29th April 2012, 20:38

Sure...but what proof do you have that he wasn't?

Pitch forks at dawn?
I don't, I'm not claiming he was, nor am I claiming he wasn't.

I'll sharpen the handbag, will that do?

Hey, this IS Kiwibiker!

No proof needed.

Ever.
And facts equally are not needed... Is that a fact :bleh:

thats half my point - there is an opinion in this thread that 'fuck him, he was a bit of a troublesome bugger, so fuck him, tough shit' - I was trying to point out that there are facts yet to be heard before anyone can really go giving a well reasoned, properly considered opinion, my post was in reference to HDC asking this:

to which fast eddie replied that yes, he would have been okay with it if that was the case

why does that matter? you said that IF the cop used excessive force or gave him a bit of the slipper, and in doing to caused, or heavily contributed to his injuries, you would definitely be okay with that - there was no discussion as to why it occurred, you simply made a blanket statement that you would be okay with that cause/effect scenario, regardless of the circumstances.
Its easy to make a 'fuck him' type comment about some cunt youve never met, but now that a theoretical circumstance involves you, or someone close to you, you suddenly want to ask more questions, and consider the other factors and circumstances . . .

Fair call, you are however being a bit too logical for KB.
You're making sense, do a skid.

DMNTD

29th April 2012, 20:42

... do a skid.

LOL....saw him whilst on a ride last Wednesday.
He's still doing 400kmph into 25kmph corners, knee down and posting in Life (KB).
Also saw JSG...if anyone remembers those two (KB)

CHOPPA

29th April 2012, 20:44

Havnt bothered to read the discussion but if he did get pushed off the fence and broke his neck then that crime certainly doesnt fit the punishment

ducatilover

29th April 2012, 20:45

LOL....saw him whilst on a ride last Wednesday.
He's still doing 400kmph into 25kmph corners, knee down and posting in Life (KB).
Also saw JSG...if anyone remembers those two (KB)

Ol' Skiddy huh? He used to feature on another forum I frequent too :laugh: He was...something else...
By the way, are you aware that USD forks can make your bell end bigger?

GingerMidget

29th April 2012, 20:54

Havnt bothered to read the discussion but if he did get pushed off the fence and broke his neck then that crime certainly doesnt fit the punishment

You should probably read the thread then. He was made to climb the fence, failed, and is now a vegetable. Sorry, more of one.

Zedder

29th April 2012, 22:45

Ffs get the facts right.

He was driving along a fence, crashed into then pushed a cop over while being breathalised and is now probably disqualified from legging it.

ducatilover

29th April 2012, 22:57

Ffs get the facts right.

He was driving along a fence, crashed into then pushed a cop over while being breathalised and is now probably disqualified from legging it.

What? I thought he drove in to a leg, copped it over the fence and disqualified the cabbage in the whiskey bottle?

Woodman

29th April 2012, 23:03

What? I thought he drove in to a leg, copped it over the fence and disqualified the cabbage in the whiskey bottle?

Apparently the fence was driving.

mashman

29th April 2012, 23:09

Where the fuck do you guys get your facts from: The leg was disquaified for kicking the cop which broke the neck off the whiskey bottle that was cuffed to the cop having a pee over the fence which had cabbages on the other side. Red cabbages to be precise

Zedder

29th April 2012, 23:11

Apparently the fence was driving.

You'd never picket from the newspaper article though.

Bikemad

29th April 2012, 23:21

i heard it was a planking stunt gone bad

Zedder

29th April 2012, 23:28

i heard it was a planking stunt gone bad

It was the fault of that Chinese guy Rai Ling.

Bikemad

29th April 2012, 23:57

his friend Ba Ton was an accomplice............Pa ling grassed him up

DMNTD

30th April 2012, 06:22

Apparently the fence was driving.

Indeed, he was defencive driving

sinfull

30th April 2012, 08:14

Batton down the hatches this thread is going off, the strain of waiting to see what's posted next has got me totally wired !

Zedder

30th April 2012, 08:44

Batton down the hatches this thread is going off, the strain of waiting to see what's posted next has got me totally wired !

It's a gate way to start the day wooden you say?

sinfull

30th April 2012, 09:40

It's a gate way to start the day wooden you say?

Awww mate you're unhinged !

Zedder

30th April 2012, 10:30

Awww mate you're unhinged !

You latch on quick!

scumdog

30th April 2012, 18:52

You latch on quick!

Open the flood-gates and let the renting commence...wait, OK, it's already going.

St_Gabriel

30th April 2012, 20:14

Open the flood-gates and let the renting commence...wait, OK, it's already going.

You would never picket!

Laava

18th August 2013, 17:10

It is bad news for all who are involved with the only upside being that he is off the road which he needs to be frankly.

Oops! Seems I was wrong! Slow learner!
http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/paralysed-man-caught-by-police/1988034/

scumdog

18th August 2013, 17:49

Oops! Seems I was wrong! Slow learner!
http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/paralysed-man-caught-by-police/1988034/

Another one of lifes slow learners - IF he learns at all...

Edbear

19th August 2013, 08:08

Oops! Seems I was wrong! Slow learner!
http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/news/paralysed-man-caught-by-police/1988034/

Another one of lifes slow learners - IF he learns at all...

Recidivism (/rɨˈsɪdɨvɪzəm/; from recidive + ism, from Latin recidīvus "recurring", from re- "back" + cadō "I fall") is the act of a person repeating an undesirable behavior after they have either experienced negative consequences of that behavior, or have been treated or trained to extinguish that behavior. It is also used to refer to the percentage of former prisoners who are rearrested for a similar offense.[1]

The term is most frequently used in conjunction with criminal behavior and substance abuse. (Recidivism is a synonym for "relapse", which is more commonly used in medicine and in the disease model of addiction.) For example, scientific literature may refer to the recidivism of sexual offenders, meaning the frequency with which they are detected or apprehended committing additional sexual crimes after being released from prison for similar crimes.[citation needed]

Criminal recidivism is highly correlated with psychopathy.[2][3][4] The psychopath is defined by an uninhibited gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes.[2][3][4] Individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior and lack remorse for their actions.[5]

Laava

24th July 2014, 12:15

Another one of lifes slow learners - IF he learns at all...

You knew this would happen didn't you?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11298309

Sharry

24th July 2014, 17:43

I was under the impression that any injury caused while doing something illegal wasnt covered by acc

Unless they have changed the sytem. In '81 I had a head on with a drunk on the wrong side of the road while riding my motorbike. I had a perminant injury and a pyout the next year. At the same time a guy escapes from a prison in Auckland and falls off the wall he trying to jump off, breaking a leg. He recived a payout of $4,000 more than I recieved.

Tazz

24th July 2014, 17:57

You knew this would happen didn't you?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11298309

No wonder he was always so keen to leg it.

98tls

24th July 2014, 19:17

:laugh::laugh::laugh::facepalm:Fuck you couldnt write a book this good,his punishment should be "thrown over a fence repeatedly whist handcuffed until his neck does indeed break",some cunts are to thick to learn so far better society doesnt have to suffer there shit.