XR1200 and XR1200x

[ratusratus]

anyone got one of these???
wouldnt mind a meeting up
?

[GrayWolf]

anyone got one of these???
wouldnt mind a meeting up
?

I know one guy down here with an orange XR, he doesn't get out on rides too often I believe.. Three of us, MT, XR, Thunderbird have been out riding and I know do head up your direction sometimes.
I will always admit the XR1200 is the one HD I would have seriously looked at owning, they are a gem IMO.

[ratusratus]

well lets hook up for a clod one then:-)
Yes im a big fan of the XR.....good bikes

[BIG DOUG]

Just clicked over 55k on mine,ride it everyday.

[AllanB]

Just clicked over 55k on mine,ride it everyday.

But is it quicker than a Suzuki M50 .........

[GrayWolf]

But is it quicker than a Suzuki M50 .........

Quite likely. To be fair, the XR is (apart from the V rod) the quickest HD. But we are talking big inch V twins, so does anyone REALLY give a rats arse which is faster?

[Big Dave]

Suzuki owners seem to. It's a topic of conversation at the Boulevard rallies.
The HOG has 45 more ponies and better lean angles than a M50.
It's probably quicker than a M90 too - but I rode them too far apart to be 100%.

[The Lone Rider]

The HOG has 45 more ponies and better lean angles than a M50.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/road+hog

[ratusratus]

Suzuki owners seem to. It's a topic of conversation at the Boulevard rallys.
The HOG has 45 more ponies and better lean angles than a M50.
It's probably quicker than a M90 too - but I rode them too far apart to be 100%.

they are a funny old bunch suzy riders
worry worry worry hehe

[munster]

they are a funny old bunch suzy riders
worry worry worry hehe
Who's Suzy? Is she an easy ride? How much do you pay?

I'm comfortable with my M50. Maybe I'll go bigger one day, but I haven't seen anything else I want yet.

[ratusratus]

Who's Suzy? Is she an easy ride? How much do you pay?

I'm comfortable with my M50. Maybe I'll go bigger one day, but I haven't seen anything else I want yet.


hehehe:clap:
worry worry worry

[lakedaemonian]

I believe I had the first one in NZ(besides the Dealer Demo) when they were first imported.

I loved it.....my favorite Harley by FAR for my typical day to day riding.

UPSIDE:

Great value for dollar
Decent power
Great torque
Comfortable riding position
Good handling/brakes
Quite stable
If you're a decent rider you can still hang with your mates on faster bikes
Good gearing for real world use

DOWNSIDE:

A bit heavy....it could go on a diet......like cutting off those horrible and heavy stock pipes for a start.
When riding you don't notice the weight much once moving.....but under very heavy braking it starts feeling a "bit" chunky again.
Short legs......150km of riding reasonably aggressively and you NEED to tank up.
If you're looking for a highway cruiser....this isn't you.....comfortable commuter riding position, but NOT touring....thin seat....and not geared well for constant high speed.

The only reason why I sold mine is because I've got young kids...and I couldn't help riding like a frickin' hoon......I'll have one again someday.

Just my opinion, and I'm biased.

[GrayWolf]

I believe I had the first one in NZ(besides the Dealer Demo) when they were first imported.

I loved it.....my favorite Harley by FAR for my typical day to day riding.

UPSIDE:

Great value for dollar
Decent power
Great torque
Comfortable riding position
Good handling/brakes
Quite stable
If you're a decent rider you can still hang with your mates on faster bikes
Good gearing for real world use

DOWNSIDE:

A bit heavy....it could go on a diet......like cutting off those horrible and heavy stock pipes for a start.
When riding you don't notice the weight much once moving.....but under very heavy braking it starts feeling a "bit" chunky again.
Short legs......150km of riding reasonably aggressively and you NEED to tank up.
If you're looking for a highway cruiser....this isn't you.....comfortable commuter riding position, but NOT touring....thin seat....and not geared well for constant high speed.

The only reason why I sold mine is because I've got young kids...and I couldn't help riding like a frickin' hoon......I'll have one again someday.

Just my opinion, and I'm biased.

I have ridden with a local who has an XR over the rapa' & taka's... weight wise? Just about the same, MT may outpork the XR by a bit. performance? Motor wise a few more ponies but less torque than the MT, - XR= higher rev ceiling and revs 'quicker'.....So they are fairly well' balanced' when paired up. MT has better brakes (09 onwards) and handling? I cant give a really accurate account as my MT has ohlins rear and 'tuned' front suspension... But I'd estimate they are pretty close in standard trim from when I followed an MT and XR over the Lindis. I've seen a few 'ride reports' from other MT owners, straight line performance? I guess the 109 has a little advantage, but hit the twisties and it seems an MT/XR will own an M109's arse.
So once again it shows outright performance figures mean farkall in real world riding situations, stick to 90-140kph and an MT or XR are an absolute blast to ride, (hit the taka's select 4th, and only change to 3rd on the very tight corners)...without having the full, balls out acceleration, of a 4cyl sprotbike.

[BIG DOUG]

Will mine has ohlins on the rear,and has the xr1200x big piston forks and lower niterod special h/bars and my own garage built 2-1 which got rid of a chunk of weight and I have also fitted a 30t front pulley to raise the gearing but will soon go to the buell primary sprocket + chain as this raise's the gearing and makes the speedo correct.And what are you talking about its a great bike for touring I have twice ridden to invercargill and have ridden back from there non stop to picton, fuel can be a problem if you give it death but I have never run out.

[s8306]

Suzuki owners seem to. It's a topic of conversation at the Boulevard rallies.
The HOG has 45 more ponies and better lean angles than a M50.
It's probably quicker than a M90 too - but I rode them too far apart to be 100%.

Cruiser riders talking about which bike is faster?i think they've missed the point.

[Big Dave]

Cruiser riders talking about which bike is faster?i think they've missed the point.

M109, Rocket III, V Rod and (possibly - depending on how you class it) V-max owners may differ. :-)

[SMOKEU]

They're gutless as fuck compared to a decent 600.

[Edbear]

I believe I had the first one in NZ(besides the Dealer Demo) when they were first imported.

I loved it.....my favorite Harley by FAR for my typical day to day riding.

UPSIDE:

Great value for dollar
Decent power
Great torque
Comfortable riding position
Good handling/brakes
Quite stable
If you're a decent rider you can still hang with your mates on faster bikes
Good gearing for real world use

DOWNSIDE:

A bit heavy....it could go on a diet......like cutting off those horrible and heavy stock pipes for a start.
When riding you don't notice the weight much once moving.....but under very heavy braking it starts feeling a "bit" chunky again.
Short legs......150km of riding reasonably aggressively and you NEED to tank up.
If you're looking for a highway cruiser....this isn't you.....comfortable commuter riding position, but NOT touring....thin seat....and not geared well for constant high speed.

The only reason why I sold mine is because I've got young kids...and I couldn't help riding like a frickin' hoon......I'll have one again someday.

Just my opinion, and I'm biased.

Biased? What part is biased...? :confused:

[nallac]

M109, Rocket III, V Rod and (possibly - depending on how you class it) V-max owners may differ. :-)

BD how do the above rank in order for quickest....0-???

[GrayWolf]

They're gutless as fuck compared to a decent 600.

See all this talk about BIG INCH V twins, and the lovely noise they make? Has just woken the child up.:baby:

[Big Dave]

V-max
Rocket
M109 and V-rod are about the same. The Suzuki has more surge down low, the Harley is very strong near peak revs.

[Big Dave]

They're gutless as fuck compared to a decent 600.

If we're talking standing quarter they wipe their arse with a 600.

[SMOKEU]

See all this talk about BIG INCH V twins, and the lovely noise they make? Has just woken the child up.:baby:

I just don't understand the aim of the XR1200. It's far from a traditional cruiser, and it sort of pretends to be a sports bike. It's not really good at either of those. It can't really decide what kind of bike it wants to be!


If we're talking standing quarter they wipe their arse with a 600.

From watching an XR1200 race in the Formula Methven, it accelerated a lot slower than the 600cc bikes.

[scumdog]

From watching an XR1200 race in the Formula Methven, it accelerated a lot slower than the 600cc bikes.

Now THERE'S a scientific explanation nobody can argue with!:laugh::shifty:

[Big Dave]

From watching an XR1200 race


Try and keep up will ya.

[ducatilover]

I just don't understand the aim of the XR1200. It's far from a traditional cruiser, and it sort of pretends to be a sports bike. It's not really good at either of those. It can't really decide what kind of bike it wants to be!



From watching an XR1200 race in the Formula Methven, it accelerated a lot slower than the 600cc bikes.

It was designed to look like the old XR750, which was a choice flat-track bike.
Sadly, as sexy as it is, the flat track style 'zorst is on the wrong side.
So, I'll re-phrase that:
It's the only nice looking modern Harley IMO and a wonderful marketing success, which is what they're all about because there's nothing else going for the shitters.

I'd own an XR1200 BTW.

[lakedaemonian]

Will mine has ohlins on the rear,and has the xr1200x big piston forks and lower niterod special h/bars and my own garage built 2-1 which got rid of a chunk of weight and I have also fitted a 30t front pulley to raise the gearing but will soon go to the buell primary sprocket + chain as this raise's the gearing and makes the speedo correct.And what are you talking about its a great bike for touring I have twice ridden to invercargill and have ridden back from there non stop to picton, fuel can be a problem if you give it death but I have never run out.

Sounds like a good setup....especially the Ohlins, and chopping off those heavy pipes.

If it wasn't for the smallish tank and my inability to ride the XR in anything but a hooliganish manner I could handle riding it some distance......but I have run into a fair few folks who felt the small-ish tank combined with a thin seat didn't make for a good combo for long distance stuff.....but good on ya for doing the long K's on the XR....I always started worrying about fuel when I was more than 100-150km into a ride.

[lakedaemonian]

Biased? What part is biased...? :confused:

I'm a "bit" Harley biased....as that's what I do ;)

So I just wanted to disclose my bias.

[Big Dave]

It was designed to look like the old XR750, which was a choice flat-track bike.
Sadly, as sexy as it is, the flat track style 'zorst is on the wrong side.
So, I'll re-phrase that:
It's the only nice looking modern Harley IMO and a wonderful marketing success, which is what they're all about because there's nothing else going for the shitters.

I'd own an XR1200 BTW.

Mwahahaha. I couldn't afford a nice bike once either.

[Edbear]

... It can't really decide what kind of bike it wants to be!....

It's all about style, Darlink... :msn-wink:

[ducatilover]

Mwahahaha. I couldn't afford a nice bike once either.

:bleh: I think one of mine is nice, I'd rather it than an XR1200.

[GrayWolf]

I just don't understand the aim of the XR1200. It's far from a traditional cruiser, and it sort of pretends to be a sports bike. It's not really good at either of those. It can't really decide what kind of bike it wants to be!



From watching an XR1200 race in the Formula Methven, it accelerated a lot slower than the 600cc bikes.

it's OK, when you grow up, you'll understand :baby:...
As 'SLOW' as you think these bikes are 'V Twins'.. there's no traction control, they dont handle like a sprot bike, they are big, heavy, vibrate, need 'manhandling' through bends, (instead of point and squirt) It's more smiles per mile, and they actually NEED riding to get them to perform well. A MAN's bike. :devil2:

[SMOKEU]

it's OK, when you grow up, you'll understand :baby:...
As 'SLOW' as you think these bikes are 'V Twins'.. there's no traction control, they dont handle like a sprot bike, they are big, heavy, vibrate, need 'manhandling' through bends, (instead of point and squirt) It's more smiles per mile, and they actually NEED riding to get them to perform well. A MAN's bike. :devil2:

I still don't understand how an archaic design with poor handling, excessive weight, bad vibration and an exorbitant price tag is appealing. Now, if it's a classic bike then that's fine (I own a 39 year old TS185 and it has a certain charm that modern bikes generally lack).

[Big Dave]

I still don't understand how an archaic design with poor handling, excessive weight, bad vibration and an exorbitant price tag is appealing.

And I don't understand how some people repeat sad internet clichés without riding the vehicles.

Lets start with 'archaic'.

A major service on a Harley engine was under $300 (last I had one done). My 'modern' triumph triple was closer to $1000 - and wasn't actually as pleasant for road use. Then there is longevity, replacement parts and aftermarket accessories to consider.

'Poor handling' is another internet myth - but don't let that stop you.

Brembo brakes - we all know how dodgy they are too hey.

[ducatilover]

it's OK, when you grow up, you'll understand :baby:...
As 'SLOW' as you think these bikes are 'V Twins'.. there's no traction control, they dont handle like a sprot bike, they are big, heavy, vibrate, need 'manhandling' through bends, (instead of point and squirt) It's more smiles per mile, and they actually NEED riding to get them to perform well. A MAN's bike. :devil2:
I really do need to get out on one, or an MT...hint hint.
I haven't even grown up and I can see the appeal of the XR, or pretty much anything with two wheels.


And I don't understand how some people repeat sad internet clichés without riding the vehicles.

Minez a Ninnnjaaaah bru!

My bike's "old", "heavy" and "out of date". Would be eaten by your Gixxer SMOKEU, but I still think it's brilliant.
Mind you, I'll put $5 on my old shitter weighing less than the SRAD.

[SMOKEU]

Mind you, I'll put $5 on my old shitter weighing less than the SRAD.

My TS185 is probably lighter than your ride, if we're making that comparison.

[ducatilover]

My TS185 is probably lighter than your ride, if we're making that comparison.

Damn, fucker's probably lighter than my GN too.
I'd probably rather an XR1200 over a TS or GN though.

[ratusratus]

My TS185 is probably lighter than your ride, if we're making that comparison.

well you would know then riding a TS185 silly us

[ratusratus]

And I don't understand how some people repeat sad internet clichés without riding the vehicles.

Lets start with 'archaic'.

A major service on a Harley engine was under $300 (last I had one done). My 'modern' triumph triple was closer to $1000 - and wasn't actually as pleasant for road use. Then there is longevity, replacement parts and aftermarket accessories to consider.

'Poor handling' is another internet myth - but don't let that stop you.

Brembo brakes - we all know how dodgy they are too hey.

Dave.....dont you get sick of internet bikies??

[Big Dave]

Dave.....dont you get sick of internet bikies??

Nah.
Unjust disapprobation and disparagement is oft the grist for the creative mill.


It's where I gets me angle like.

Personally - I dig my KLR.

[Flip]

I still don't understand how an archaic design with poor handling, excessive weight, bad vibration and an exorbitant price tag is appealing. Now, if it's a classic bike then that's fine (I own a 39 year old TS185 and it has a certain charm that modern bikes generally lack).

Well a jap TS185 is hardly a white mans bike, is it?

[oldguy]

Isn't that Buell's replacement ?

[SMOKEU]

Well a jap TS185 is hardly a white mans bike, is it?

I've only ever had Asian bikes and don't see a reason to change any time soon.

[Flip]

I've only ever had Asian bikes and don't see a reason to change any time soon.

So you don't know any better. One day you will.

[GrayWolf]

I still don't understand how an archaic design with poor handling, excessive weight, bad vibration and an exorbitant price tag is appealing. Now, if it's a classic bike then that's fine (I own a 39 year old TS185 and it has a certain charm that modern bikes generally lack).

TS 185 and classic' in the same sentance?? oh dear, oh dear. :shake:
I am not a HD aficionado in any sense, the XR1200 is the gem that HD has taken 100yrs to produce. Even I have openly admitted I would really have considered owning one, but I have the MT in my garage instead, and yes the MT was my preference. I am reffering to big V twins in general, Moto Guzzi, HD, Triumph (thunderbird), old BMW Boxer's, old Ducati's, HD, Victory, Hesketh etc etc. These are all bikes that are 'basic' bikes, frame, suspension, brakes, motor, no gimmick's. As much as I love my MT, 'it is and isn't the same', apart from no electronic anti lock, traction etc.. It's a modern take on the theme., same as the M109. The bikes do not 'flick' to change direction like a light sprot bike, you need to set the corners up BEFORE entry to get a good smooth line. They are heavy and dont brake as hard and can be a little 'squirmy' if you do change line rapidly.. even my MT which has a very modern frame, suspension and brakes can be a 'heavy mutha' to change direction mid corner at the same time it is quite 'flickable' .. an oxymoron. Thats the appeal of these big old school bikes, they require rider input, thought and by the need to think they are very rewarding to ride.. Even the cruisers which have limited cornering ability to a great extent, have the pleasure of a very flexible engine that you are not cog swapping through a series of bends.
I've ridden high performance bikes over the years both owning and 'ridden'. My ZZR is not considered 'cutting edge' but for top speed and acceleration, a 20yr old design will still give many a sprot bike a hurry up.. and its a sport/tourer not an out and out race rep'. I rode singles, V and flat twins for 25 yrs till I moved to Wellywood 7 yrs ago, I now am back on a big twin....
You either do, or dont as far as big inch twins are concerned.. I 'dont get it' why people buy very uncomfortable hard riding loon machines, but then my bike is my transport maybe that's the difference.

[BIG DOUG]

I have done a couple of trackdays on my dyna and xr ,on my dyna I was at manfeild going down the back straight and in my mirror see an R1 coming up behind so I pull to the outside of the track to give him room as of course I'm on an old harley and he's faster than I,so we hit the corner and fuck me I had to pass the guy around the outside and as went across the start/finish line he passes me again, by this time I'm shaking my head thinking to myself that man needs to learn how to go round corners.At the same track on my xr this time I had a guy pass me down the front straight on the latest ducati monster we hit the first corner and I way outbraked him and he didn't pass me again until we hit the back straight and afterwards he came up to me and said that once he passed me down the straight he thought he wouldn't see me again (because I was on a harley) and shit bricks when I outbraked and went under him in the first corner.So sometimes you have what would be classed a superior motorcycle,but it isn't any good if you can't ride it properly.

[ducatilover]

So sometimes you have what would be classed a superior motorcycle,but it isn't any good if you can't ride it properly.
Pete/Crasherfromwayback has proven this, the mad fuck.

[SMOKEU]

So you don't know any better. One day you will.

The Japs make the best bikes, although I do like some of the Aprilia, Ducati and KTM range. I have a particular fetish for the RSV4 Factory.

[SMOKEU]

You either do, or dont as far as big inch twins are concerned.. I 'dont get it' why people buy very uncomfortable hard riding loon machines, but then my bike is my transport maybe that's the difference.

Ducati make some pretty nice big twins that I'd totally fap to. I enjoy my uncomfortable sports bike as the riding position feels great, and it's delightfully easy to chuck it into a bend and the bike does most of the hard work for me since all I really have to do is do the counter steering and throttle control. After owning a pretty good handling bike such as the GSXR I've never looked back.

It's not really as uncomfortable as people make them out to be, although after an hour or more on the seat my ass feels like I've just been released from an African jail with a cell mate named "Abdul", who sports a 10" cock. It's a small price to pay.

[Flip]

The Japs make the best bikes, although I do like some of the Aprilia, Ducati and KTM range. I have a particular fetish for the RSV4 Factory.

What do you mean by best?

Lowest cost, cheapest, na the chineese do that at the moment. Fastest, no the trick ducatti or BMW do that. Most comfortable, the GW comes in equal with the Glide and Polarus.

If you mean quality, ie price, time and reilyability, I still don't agree because I do not aspire to own or ride a two wheel Toyota Corrola.

[ducatilover]

What do you mean by best?

Lowest cost, cheapest, na the chineese do that at the moment. Fastest, no the trick ducatti or BMW do that. Most comfortable, the GW comes in equal with the Glide and Polarus.

If you mean quality, ie price, time and reilyability, I still don't agree because I do not aspire to own or ride a two wheel Toyota Corrola.
Best in this context means, usually the fastest, most Corolla like bike?
I have to agree that the Japanese make technically superior bikes in every niche most of the time, it's what they do. Cannot deny that.

[Scouse]

A good alternative to a XR1200 would be the Buell XB1200SS Lightning
Better front and rear suspension and more go

[SMOKEU]

What do you mean by best?

Lowest cost, cheapest, na the chineese do that at the moment. Fastest, no the trick ducatti or BMW do that. Most comfortable, the GW comes in equal with the Glide and Polarus.

If you mean quality, ie price, time and reilyability, I still don't agree because I do not aspire to own or ride a two wheel Toyota Corrola.

The Japanese have proven themselves to produce road going versions of their championship winning superbikes which are both fairly reliable and relatively cheap to buy compared to the European competition. You can't deny the fact that bikes like the ZX10R, CBR1000RR, R1, GSXR1000 and their 600cc counterparts are an out of the box track weapon whose capabilities far exceed that of the vast majority of people who own them. I'd be very impressed if you could ride one of them to its limits.

[Maha]

I know someone who had nothing but trouble with his XR1200, I kinda like them...:baby:

[GrayWolf]

The Japanese have proven themselves to produce road going versions of their championship winning superbikes which are both fairly reliable and relatively cheap to buy compared to the European competition. You can't deny the fact that bikes like the ZX10R, CBR1000RR, R1, GSXR1000 and their 600cc counterparts are an out of the box track weapon whose capabilities far exceed that of the vast majority of people who own them. I'd be very impressed if you could ride one of them to its limits.

Agreed the japanese bikes are cheap in comparison... You like Ducati? They are probably the closest to the japanese for lightness and performance, or better.. UNless you can afford an MV Augusta. Guzzi's are a different ball game they are more like a GT than a racer. However as pointed out by another poster about the rider being as critical as the equipment... we (KB) had the TT thread where I posted about Mike the bike... he beat all the top notch jap machines on a Ducati. Damn now I am wishing He or Ago had ridden the Brittan.. what an interesting idea!!
As you point out your 600 'does it for you'.. therin lies the difference, these types of bikes DONT do it for you. I dont care if it only 'just' tops 200kph I have immense fun riding something with pistons the size of cat food tins.

[SMOKEU]

Agreed the japanese bikes are cheap in comparison... You like Ducati? They are probably the closest to the japanese for lightness and performance, or better.. UNless you can afford an MV Augusta. Guzzi's are a different ball game they are more like a GT than a racer. However as pointed out by another poster about the rider being as critical as the equipment... we (KB) had the TT thread where I posted about Mike the bike... he beat all the top notch jap machines on a Ducati. Damn now I am wishing He or Ago had ridden the Brittan.. what an interesting idea!!
As you point out your 600 'does it for you'.. therin lies the difference, these types of bikes DONT do it for you. I dont care if it only 'just' tops 200kph I have immense fun riding something with pistons the size of cat food tins.

I never liked the Ducatis of the 1990's, but I love the modern ones such as the 1198 and 1199. Pure sex on wheels.

[Big Dave]

The point is for a road bike - why have a machine capable of 300kmh and that operates at optimum efficiency at 160kph and above - when they take your licence off you for 141kmh.

Better to have a road bike that is in the 'pleasure to ride zone' at 100-120kmh.

Hello XR1200.

[Flip]

I can afford the bike, any bike, but I can't afford to loose my licence.

[SMOKEU]

I can afford the bike, any bike, but I can't afford to loose my licence.

So get something properly fast and don't stop for the red and blue lights. I'm full of bright ideas. You can thank me later.

[Big Dave]

We will - when you come up with one.

[scumdog]

So get something properly fast and don't stop for the red and blue lights. I'm full of bright ideas. You can thank me later.

Riiight...I'll get the guys from the cemetery, the ones in jail and the ones with wrecked bikes/and or bodies (and with no licence too) to pop 'round and 'thank' you....:rolleyes:

Frikkin boys...who would have thought they would give 12 year olds a licence???

[GrayWolf]

So get something properly fast and don't stop for the red and blue lights. I'm full of bright ideas. You can thank me later.

when they make a bike that's faster than a radio?? I'll think about buying it....... http://s19.postimage.org/krzth8x3n/Double_Face_Palm2.jpg (http://postimage.org/) hosting images (http://postimage.org/)

[SMOKEU]

Frikkin boys...who would have thought they would give 12 year olds a licence???

11 years old, get it right!

[ratusratus]

The point is for a road bike - why have a machine capable of 300kmh and that operates at optimum efficiency at 160kph and above - when they take your licence off you for 141kmh.

Better to have a road bike that is in the 'pleasure to ride zone' at 100-120kmh.

Hello XR1200.

Amen Dave and thats what its all about

[GrayWolf]

11 months old :baby::baby::baby:
, get it right!


there fixed for ya

[GrayWolf]

Amen Dave and thats what its all about

Mate thats what Myself and Mossy have been saying to them for a while over the MT's... 90-140 'joy zone'.... and the feel of a big V working under you :eek::bleh::cool:

[scumdog]

The point is for a road bike - why have a machine capable of 300kmh and that operates at optimum efficiency at 160kph and above - when they take your licence off you for 141kmh.

Better to have a road bike that is in the 'pleasure to ride zone' at 100-120kmh.

Hello XR1200.

My bike is slow (won't do 200kph) gutless (65hp at rear wheel) and from time to time scrapes when cornering.

But is smooth handling/riding, stops real well, has no real vices, is cheap on gas (nearly 60mph on a good day) and can carry a heap of gear.

Parts are readily available (when needed) and not too costly, it is 'user friendly' for the home machanic.

So, to use that dreadful cliche: it 'ticks all the boxes' for me.:niceone:

[Big Dave]

Amen Dave and thats what its all about

You put your left arm in.......ooops - wrong ditty.

[Big Dave]

You wring your right wrist in - you wring your right wrist out.
You pull your bike over and get your wallet out.
You give the cop your licence and he shakes it all about.
Dooooo the sportsbike hokey, that's what the fine's about.

[GrayWolf]

My bike is slow (won't do 200kph) gutless (65hp at rear wheel) and from time to time scrapes when cornering.

But is smooth handling/riding, stops real well, has no real vices, is cheap on gas (nearly 60mph on a good day) and can carry a heap of gear.

Parts are readily available (when needed) and not too costly, it is 'user friendly' for the home machanic.

So, to use that dreadful cliche: it 'ticks all the boxes' for me.:niceone:

Mate as I keep repeating, GUTLESS??? a bloody Z1 was ONLY 84bhp at the CRANK..... a bonneville was 'only' 59bhp..... its only the 'wannabe's' that have 'forced' the race for 200bhp and 300kph+....

[GrayWolf]

You wring your right wrist in - you wring your right wrist out.
You pull your bike over and get your wallet out.
You give the cop your licence and he shakes it all about.
Dooooo the sportsbike hokey, that's what the fine's about.

Cant rep you again.. but this follow up is ESPECIALLY for smokeu.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKnoffPV8m0

[ducatilover]

Mate as I keep repeating, GUTLESS??? a bloody Z1 was ONLY 84bhp at the CRANK..... a bonneville was 'only' 59bhp..... its only the 'wannabe's' that have 'forced' the race for 200bhp and 300kph+....
All of which are slow by now days standards. :bleh: Not that it matters.
Went out on my 600 today, by God it's incredibly uncomfortable and needs your attention to ride.
Maybe it needs some seat foam? Sitting on fiberglass in the foetal position is a bit much.