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Can anyone give me some advice about a personal grievance on a work 'mate'.
I had such a horrible day today cause of him :( I don't enjoy being called a 'Stupid fucken bitch' because he can't find a Jigsaw. :no:
WINJA
2nd August 2005, 18:17
SO COOK THE MAN SOME EGGS
SO COOK THE MAN SOME EGGS
Not now, please.
scooterboynz
2nd August 2005, 18:20
SO COOK THE MAN SOME EGGS
what a cock! :tugger:
WINJA
2nd August 2005, 18:23
what a cock! :tugger:
FUCK YOU . :motu:
Virago
2nd August 2005, 18:34
First step, you need to document everything said and done. If this work-mate is causing you constant grief, it won't take long to build a case against him. Use a little pocket notebook or diary, and write down everything, actions, dates, times, witness etc.
Be objective, and keep your emotions out of the picture.
Also, keep your own responses squeaky-clean through-out, to avoid the old "he said / she said" battle later on.
Later, when you have the proper evidence, you can lodge a personal greivance claim. Your employer would be forced to address the issue at this stage.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
SlashWylde
2nd August 2005, 18:38
Can anyone give me some advice about a personal grievance on a work 'mate'.
I had such a horrible day today cause of him :( I don't enjoy being called a 'Stupid fucken bitch' because he can't find a Jigsaw. :no:
First, does your workplace have a set of company guidelines which spellout in black and white the rules govering such abusive language. For example, mine does, and calling a workmate a "Stupid fucking bitch" would result in serious disciplinary action and possible dissmissal.
I assume this is the tip of the iceberg with this fellow. Is there anyone friendly towards you in an HR capacity who could advise you? If not confidentially check with some employment relations companies as to where you should/could go with this.
This is the more serious end of the stick and should be pursued if a sit down meeting with you the bloke and a neutral third party can't resolve the problem.
My 2 cents...hope you can sort it.
SlashWylde
2nd August 2005, 18:40
First step, you need to document everything said and done. If this work-mate is causing you constant grief, it won't take long to build a case against him. Use a little pocket notebook or diary, and write down everything, actions, dates, times, witness etc.
Be objective, and keep your emotions out of the picture.
Also, keep your own responses squeaky-clean through-out, to avoid the old "he said / she said" battle later on.
Later, when you have the proper evidence, you can lodge a personal greivance claim. Your employer would be forced to address the issue at this stage.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
Yes definately. I've had to do this myself with subordinate employees who are being difficult and in need of "Performance Management".
First step, you need to document everything said and done. If this work-mate is causing you constant grief, it won't take long to build a case against him. Use a little pocket notebook or diary, and write down everything, actions, dates, times, witness etc.
Be objective, and keep your emotions out of the picture.
Also, keep your own responses squeaky-clean through-out, to avoid the old "he said / she said" battle later on.
Later, when you have the proper evidence, you can lodge a personal greivance claim. Your employer would be forced to address the issue at this stage.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
My boss and manager were standing right there. If I said that to a person I worked with I would expect to be severely reprimanded.
He's on contract and he's getting let go in a couple of weeks, but it's not enough.
SixPackBack
2nd August 2005, 18:49
My boss and manager were standing right there. If I said that to a person I worked with I would expect to be severely reprimanded.
He's on contract and he's getting let go in a couple of weeks, but it's not enough.
This is hard advice to take and may sound strange, what you need to do is be confident. If he talks to you again in that manner behave in the same manner , head up, look him in the eyes and give it straight back to him......i am a manager trust me it will work.....people will put there heads down and run for cover, but remember, ultimate confidence :yes:
scooterboynz
2nd August 2005, 18:55
FUCK YOU . :motu:
awesome bike you have dude! wish i could stunt like you!
bugjuice
2nd August 2005, 19:20
why not just march up to him and ask what his fukin problem is? just get it in the open and tell the silly fuk to grow up. If he's going soon, then it doesn't matter what his problem is, but rise above him and make him feel like a dick. Or just completely ignore him and don't let him get a rise off you.. That could be driving him on - the effect/kick he gets off your reaction
WINJA
2nd August 2005, 19:34
awesome bike you have dude! wish i could stunt like you!
YOU MUST MEAN MY PROFILE PIC, I CAN DO THAT ON YOUR ZX10 IF YOU WANT
TwoSeven
2nd August 2005, 19:37
There is some good info on the grievance process on one of the govt. websites. Also do some googling on workplace bullying. The latter is endemic in NZ and there is a process for dealing with it (you need to make a written note of everything and all that).
SPman
2nd August 2005, 19:52
4 x 2
back of head
top of ladder
GROOMER
2nd August 2005, 19:52
I believe most ipods and mp3 players/flash drives have built-in voice recorders. If ya have access to one, use it, and either be short and sharp with him, or be over-the-top nice to him, whichever one you think will get more of a reaction out of him. Then you have anything that happens in an audio file, and can see a free lawyer about laying a grievance claim.
I know you prob want to, but don't smack him...that could land you in big trouble, although Im sure you'd still be smiling :devil2: :D
Uncle B
2nd August 2005, 20:54
Hey NC.......just send him into my work :devil2:
What?
2nd August 2005, 22:14
This case is not PG, but harrassment.
The law says (in a nutshell) "Tell the nob that you are offended by the way he addressed you and that any repetition will result in formal action being taken". On the second, or subsequent, occasion it becomes (legally) harrassment.
Or meet him in the carpark after work and boot him in the nuts.
The workshop is really noisey, so my boss and manager didn't hear anything (what I was getting at is that he knew they were there and he still acted and spoke to me that way) untill I walked up to them and said "If you're going to employ cunts like that, I'm not fucken working here" Then I burst into tears (stupid girl hormones).
He was still psychoing it out when he came over to talk to my boss, he's a crazy mofo!
Hey NC.......just send him into my work :devil2:
Ok :D
You'll know it's him. He'll be bound with masking tape and have a block of jarrah with excessive cell damage in his mouth so it splinters his cake hole like fuck.
KATWYN
3rd August 2005, 08:33
My boss and manager were standing right there. If I said that to a person I worked with I would expect to be severely reprimanded.
He's on contract and he's getting let go in a couple of weeks, but it's not enough.
Hi NC
I have experienced & won a case, so I suggest the following
Document what was said, what date, what time, who was there at the time.
Give a written letter of complaint to your supervisor or the
boss himself asking them to sort it or else if it happens again the matter will
be taken further.
KEEP COPIES OF ALL CORRESPONDANCE!!
If you do these things and that guy does it again you have just created a
good case against him.
I have been there (17 years ago)where there were witnesses (who all
denied seeing/hearing anything BTW) but I won the case against the guy because I did all the above. It was actually the company that ended up accountable for the employees behaviour in the end - not the guy
I must warn you its not for the faint hearted. cos they respond with the worst things your've ever heard about yourself based on twisted truth - gotta get a thick skin real quick if you take it to that point.
Sniper
3rd August 2005, 08:47
First, does your workplace have a set of company guidelines which spellout in black and white the rules govering such abusive language. For example, mine does, and calling a workmate a "Stupid fucking bitch" would result in serious disciplinary action and possible dissmissal.
Mine would involve a swift kick in the goolies
Pwalo
3rd August 2005, 08:52
NC, I presume that this is not a 'one off' situation. If it is, chill out and remember the dickhead's gone in a couple of weeks.
If it's an ongoing situation then you need to take some action.
I just hate to think that you're letting some a-hole's comments get to you. Life's just a bit too short to take everything too seriously.
Drunken Monkey
3rd August 2005, 09:11
My boss and manager were standing right there. If I said that to a person I worked with I would expect to be severely reprimanded.
He's on contract and he's getting let go in a couple of weeks, but it's not enough.
Sounds like you've got 2 issues.
2nd part first: if he's going soon, grin and bare it.
1st part: without being there, I can't tell if your boss and manager didn't step in and let the contractor know he was being inappropriate, is an indication that they either:
a) also figure he's leaving anyway and just put up with him for a little longer
b) won't be much help to you if it happens again, whether with this contractor or another person in future
You could always :shifty: ...erm, no that's probably not a good idea. :whistle:
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 09:21
The workshop is really noisey, so my boss and manager didn't hear anything (what I was getting at is that he knew they were there and he still acted and spoke to me that way) untill I walked up to them and said "If you're going to employ cunts like that, I'm not fucken working here" Then I burst into tears (stupid girl hormones).
He was still psychoing it out when he came over to talk to my boss, he's a crazy mofo!
Hey NC - sounds like you've got a lot of good advice in here. The one additional thing I'd sugeest is to get your manager, you and this dick head all in the same room. Ask your boss to call a meeting with him, make it official (i.e. not just a chat in the lunch room - make it work time - 'official' time.
Raise the fact you don't like being called those names (as well as any other issues that may be going on) and confirm you have your Manager's backing on this issue. Also table the fact that he's temporary and he might think this gives him licence to get abusive.
Not so.
It's fun to have fun in the workshop and I know various names get issued in jest, but when it comes down to it, and it's just dowright offesnsive - draw that line in the sand and tell them to back off.
Getting all three heads together puts the idiot on notice, but it also brings your boss (and the whole company) into the fight and puts them on notice too.
No-one deserves that kind of shit
MDU
mikey
3rd August 2005, 11:07
loosen all nuts on his wheels. works a treat.
It was actually the company that ended up accountable for the employees behaviour in the end - not the guy
what a load of namby pamby bull shit.
good on you for sticking it out or what ever you did though, get much money out of them.
Fart
3rd August 2005, 11:16
My boss and manager were standing right there. If I said that to a person I worked with I would expect to be severely reprimanded.
He's on contract and he's getting let go in a couple of weeks, but it's not enough.
Workplace sexual harrasment is the responsibility of the company. If the company manager and/or directors are aware of the abuse they are liable. Make sure you document all the actions by this work mate. Also have a meeting with your manager regarding this issue follow by a letter to confirm the meeting. The letter is evidence of proof.
I would advice seeking legal advice from a employment solicitor.
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 11:19
Workplace sexual harrasment is the responsibility of the company. If the company manager and/or directors are aware of the abuse they are liable. Make sure you document all the actions by this work mate. Also have a meeting with your manager regarding this issue follow by a letter to confirm the meeting. The letter is evidence of proof.
I would advice seeking legal advice from a employment solicitor.
Sorry did I miss something - what makes this sexual harrassment?
pyrocam
3rd August 2005, 11:31
people seem to be going down two directions
1) legal lawyers blah blah
not worth it since hes leaving
2) goolies
Id go for the goolies.
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 11:37
loosen all nuts on his wheels. works a treat....
What - take to his nuts with a tyre iron...? hmmm - works for ME :devil2:
Lou Girardin
3rd August 2005, 11:42
He's leaving NC, you win in the end.
enigma51
3rd August 2005, 11:58
The poor guy cant handle that a woman is working along side him in a workshop and trust me laying complaint against him might make things difficult for you depending on how many people are actualy friends with him. The only reason for that is that you are a woman in a so called mans place some people cant handle it. So personally I think the best way to handle this is to "fight" back so no one else would try a similiar thing with you. So next time answer back in the same way. "If im a stupid bitch why the fuck did you ask me in the first place asshole!" and then when he lays complaint against you you turn it around a bring up all these other things that he has done and then you are not the one complaining so no one can say whatch out for her she complains. If lays a complaint against you when you do give him his own medicine give me a call I will help you prepare for the "meeting" (Have done a few myself and have done a lot reading around how to handle these things)
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 12:02
The poor guy cant handle that a woman is working along side him in a workshop and trust me laying complaint against him might make things difficult for you depending on how many people are actualy friends with him.
errrr... wot? That's a BIG assumption...
I take your point about sticking up for yourself - agreed, but fighting back may also backfire.
Depends on who is on who's side... as you say.
enigma51
3rd August 2005, 13:17
Depends on who is on who's side... as you say.
thats right also remember she is lady in a pretty much mans world she must be carefull to lay a complaint as she might get branded. It is wrong she should be treated equal but thats in a perfect world not the real world
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 13:29
thats right also remember she is lady in a pretty much mans world she must be carefull to lay a complaint as she might get branded. It is wrong she should not be treated equal but thats in a perfect world not the real world
I assume you meant to include the "not"... but even so - your experience of a workshop is different to mine...
enigma51
3rd August 2005, 13:33
I assume you meant to include the "not"... but even so - your experience of a workshop is different to mine...
ooops she should be treated equal.
Thanks for the help everyone.
:(
errrr... wot? That's a BIG assumption...
I take your point about sticking up for yourself - agreed, but fighting back may also backfire.
Depends on who is on who's side... as you say.
Narh everyone thinks he's a cunt.
yungatart
3rd August 2005, 16:47
...... grin and bare it.
Now there's an idea NC. Show him your tits. Then nail his tongue to the floor.
(I actually think that those who say to play him at his own game are right.)
MoFunthanmost
3rd August 2005, 16:50
As I dont have anything more constructive to add :grouphug:
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 16:56
Narh everyone thinks he's a cunt.
Ok - just read this. Railroad him. Get the guys and gals around you to tell him to shut the fuck up, and get the company to do that same - on notice, in writing.
Contractor or not, he's a dick...
He stands to lose extensions of the contract, and repeats of the contract (and if he does come back he'll be on notice).
Good luck NC. no-one has to put up with that shit
MDU
Now there's an idea NC. Show him your tits. Then nail his tongue to the floor.
Hell no!
No way!
My mate at work told me to smack him in the back of the head with a sash cramp and kick him in the nuts.
We are having a 'mid winter' BBQ at work, so ALL the staff will be there. I guess he wont be giving me any shit.
ManDownUnder
3rd August 2005, 17:20
Hell no!
No way!
My mate at work told me to smack him in the back of the head with a sash cramp and kick him in the nuts.
We are having a 'mid winter' BBQ at work, so ALL the staff will be there. I guess he wont be giving me any shit.
We may have *ahem* err... gotten this guy one time....
Araldite his toolbox to the bench, fill it with two pot expanding foam, lock it, and snap something off in the lock...
I believe he got the point... so I was errr... told....
KATWYN
3rd August 2005, 17:54
loosen all nuts on his wheels. works a treat.
what a load of namby pamby bull shit.
good on you for sticking it out or what ever you did though, get much money out of them.
Believe me it was not worth it. In hindsight I would have just left
quietly and got on with my life. I don't recommend it to anyone
badlieutenant
3rd August 2005, 20:41
best you point him out to me NC at the bbq. Or PM me which one he is if Ive met him (Im on contract too now so Im responsible for my own behaviour, or not as the case may be :D)
Skyryder
3rd August 2005, 21:41
Can anyone give me some advice about a personal grievance on a work 'mate'.
I had such a horrible day today cause of him :( I don't enjoy being called a 'Stupid fucken bitch' because he can't find a Jigsaw. :no:
Go to the Labour Department. They know the law and the proper procedure to follow. Keep a work diary.
No one has to take personal abuse in the work place.
You mention a jigsaw so I gather that you work in a machine shop or such like environment.
If this persons behavour is such that he can bring you to tears then this is also a safety issue that your employer needs to address.
Skyryder
Beemer
3rd August 2005, 23:00
Easily fixed - you're having a work barbecue? Make him some brownies - using laxative chocolate - and tell all your workmates not to eat them! Tell him you are SO sorry for being a stupid fucken bitch, so you went into the kitchen where you really belong and made him a treat to show there are no hard feelings. Then remove all the toilet paper from the men's loos... :rofl:
I don't get mad, I get even!
(When I read jigsaw, I thought you either worked in a toy shop or a hospital as a physical therapist!)
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