NSR FXR, the new No45

[richban]

Well Its been all sitting around for some time. Today I actually started a proper to do list so I thought a would start a new tread coz that will keep me motivated to finish this bike as quick as I can. End result should be a good looking lightish good handling bike.

TA-DO

1. Get the wheels mounted. Have nice new 15mm axels for the RS wheels just need to make spin up some spacers.
2. Get the engine in. I have been mulling over the best way to mount the thing forever. At the moment I am thinking to copy the FXR position exactly. All measurements taken from the bike setup with know static sage. On the FXR the out put shaft is 100mm from the swing arm pivot. Also if you draw a line from the centre of the rear axle to centre of the swing arm pivot and onto the output shaft the output shaft is about 15mm lower than the centre line. Don't want no weird squat problems. Will soon see.
3. Make some rear sets.
4. Make new sub frame and sort the rider position. I really want to make sure that this is correct.
5. Suspension. Rear I have an NSR SP shock in really good condition and front are some nice MC28 forks. I will put emulators in the front and see what the rear is like when I can sit on it ride it. There is lots of setup info on the British NSR site. I am hoping its not under sprung but it could well be.

Lots of other little things bolts and bits but all easy to sort. Really looking forward to getting it all done and racing.



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[mossy1200]

If the stock nsr shock is 285mm and same as the mc14 and mc17 then a 2010 r6 290mm shock with all the adjustments bolts straight in unless you dont have much room at the top.

[richban]

If the stock nsr shock is 285mm and same as the mc14 and mc17 then a 2010 r6 290mm shock with all the adjustments bolts straight in unless you dont have much room at the top.

The SP/SE shocks do ok from all accounts. They have a little rebound and compression adjustment. Also eyelet both ends so different form the MC17/18.

[koba]

The SP/SE shocks do ok from all accounts. They have a little rebound and compression adjustment. Also eyelet both ends so different form the MC17/18.

Other years of R6 have eyelet each end. Will send you some research if you want, just hassle me for it.

[mossy1200]

Other years of R6 have eyelet each end. Will send you some research if you want, just hassle me for it.

pre 09 are eye to eye

[koba]

pre 09 are eye to eye

Plus the latest ones (from memory).
I'll dig out the info I've compiled tomorrow and post the details, if I get around to it.

[richban]

Other years of R6 have eyelet each end. Will send you some research if you want, just hassle me for it.

Cheers Mate Yeah flick it through. People have put GSXR forks on these as well but I am sure they will weigh more. What I really need are some rear sets to copy. I don't got none.

Some inspiration. Just imagine them with no exhaust pipes and a shorter RS seat.

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I am going to paint it white with the same sort of stripe as the blue bike but with orange centre stripe and blue outside stripes. Not sure on wheel colour might leave them white.

[richban]

pre 09 are eye to eye

Question is though is a big fat R6 shock going to be better than a MC28 SP shock? My thoughts are maybe after it is re sprung / valved. If the SP shock is pants I will spend some serious cash on a proper shock.

[koba]

Cheers Mate Yeah flick it through. People have put GSXR forks on these as well but I am sure they will weigh more. What I really need are some rear sets to copy. I don't got none.

Some inspiration. Just imagine them with no exhaust pipes and a shorter RS seat.

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I am going to paint it white with the same sort of stripe as the blue bike but with orange centre stripe and blue outside stripes. Not sure on wheel colour might leave them white.

I can't help too much on the rear-sets as mine is likely to be quite different (MC18). Still if you think it will help you are welcome to have a gander at mine.

White wheels are cool if you can keep them clean. Good smooth finish (not like my VFR) helps with that.

I'm convinced mine would handle better with the weight further forward. Go at least as far forward as the longest chain available will let you. The FXR engine has a bit more meat in the top than mine so that should help.

[koba]

Question is though is a big fat R6 shock going to be better than a MC28 SP shock? My thoughts are maybe after it is re sprung / valved. If the SP shock is pants I will spend some serious cash on a proper shock.

I'd say wear will play a huge part in it. A rooted shock off anything is crap.

[mossy1200]

Question is though is a big fat R6 shock going to be better than a MC28 SP shock? My thoughts are maybe after it is re sprung / valved. If the SP shock is pants I will spend some serious cash on a proper shock.


Hard to tell. I got lucky and had 15mm static sag on min spring setting and 10mm on 3/4 adjusted. It was just luck on the 3 way arm and dog bones. I was expecting to have at least a spring replacement.

[richban]

I'd say wear will play a huge part in it. A rooted shock off anything is crap.

Yeah true. The guy I got it off reckons it was mint. Looks mint. We will see.

[richban]

Yeah true. The guy I got it off reckons it was mint. Looks mint. We will see.

Just did a spring rate calculation on the race tech site and the good news is both front and rear springs appear to be bang on. If the bike weighed in at its normal 127 odd kg they would have been off. Handy site. R6 shock spring is way heaver.

Anyway need to get the emulators in and front forks all dialed.

[F5 Dave]

Ohh, look at those fantastic 2 stroke engines. Are you sure you want to defile that quality piece of kit with a diesel plodder?

Use plywood & make up some rear sets until you are happy. Then, if you are keen make them out of metal.

Find an adult who can use scissors, actually make that a band saw, & hack close to what you need. I like to use 12mm plate & mill the crap out of it. Maybe not pretty but strong & light.

[richban]

Ohh, look at those fantastic 2 stroke engines. Are you sure you want to defile that quality piece of kit with a diesel plodder?

Use plywood & make up some rear sets until you are happy. Then, if you are keen make them out of metal.

Find an adult who can use scissors, actually make that a band saw, & hack close to what you need. I like to use 12mm plate & mill the crap out of it. Maybe not pretty but strong & light.

Yes it is a shame to put a dirty diesel instead of a 2 banger. But take some heart in the fact that the engine will rev hi, make all its power at the top and generally be harder to ride fast.

Yes Ply. I am just lazy and like starting from Standard settings.

[Tard]

Hey Rich, builds looking sweet...what/who's name of place out in Petone you guys mentioned is primo for fabrication work?

[richban]

Hey Rich, builds looking sweet...what/who's name of place out in Petone you guys mentioned is primo for fabrication work?

Depends on the work But Sully / AKA Craig might be keen. I will PM his number to you.

[richban]

Well still waiting on the postman so pulled the forks apart to check them and get ready for the upgrade. All looks really good. Seals seem fine and everything else is in great nick. Almost temped to put the them on the FXR for now. I have a second set of Clamps I could convert with the FXR steerer tube. The offset could be wrong will check that later. NSR is 35mm from memory.

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[quallman1234]

Just did a spring rate calculation on the race tech site and the good news is both front and rear springs appear to be bang on. If the bike weighed in at its normal 127 odd kg they would have been off. Handy site. R6 shock spring is way heaver.

Anyway need to get the emulators in and front forks all dialed.

Don't forget spring rate is only half the battle, valving is the other half... You can have the right spring rate/and sag and then ride it and use sweet fuck all of the stroke due to valving being far too restricted.
Emulators should bring it up too a decent standard... Can you buy em straight off the RT site?

Nice project, are you gonna give hamish the smash when its done?

[richban]

Don't forget spring rate is only half the battle, valving is the other half... You can have the right spring rate/and sag and then ride it and use sweet fuck all of the stroke due to valving being far too restricted.
Emulators should bring it up too a decent standard... Can you buy em straight off the RT site?

Nice project, are you gonna give hamish the smash when its done?

True. I think you can buy direct. Not much in the pricing at all. Had some good tips from CKT.

Hamish the smash. Well isn't the plan to give everyone the smash? Well see how that pans out.

[Drew]

You can buy Emulators from kss and install them your self no worries. Loads cheaper than fork replacement and tuneable if you know what you're doing. I've made quite a few changes to the ones in Dean's sv over the years.

[richban]

You can buy Emulators from kss and install them your self no worries. Loads cheaper than fork replacement and tuneable if you know what you're doing. I've made quite a few changes to the ones in Dean's sv over the years.

Yeah will be getting some soon and having a play.

[hmurphy]

Well isn't the plan to give everyone the smash? Well see how that pans out.

I look forward to getting the smash. Will be good racing when this bike is done, Fishy gets his FXR in his chassis, Andrew dials his chassis in better and Dave gets his hundy sorted. Looking forward to swapping paint, my bike could certainly do with some new paint.

[richban]

Just had a little measure up with the NSR forks. They are the same offset as an FXR so will go on quite nice. Could be a really good upgrade from standard. They are light stiff and you can get a massive selection of springs for them. I haven't checked the steerer size yet but they might even go straight on with a 5mm spacer in the top. So if you can find some MC21 or 28 forks for cheap they could stiffen your the FXR front quite a bit.

[jasonu]

Just had a little measure up with the NSR forks. They are the same offset as an FXR so will go on quite nice. Could be a really good upgrade from standard. They are light stiff and you can get a massive selection of springs for them. I haven't checked the steerer size yet but they might even go straight on with a 5mm spacer in the top. So if you can find some MC21 or 28 forks for cheap they could stiffen your the FXR front quite a bit.

Not sure why no one (as far as I know) has used USD RGV250 forks and clamps. I considered them a while ago before I found some nx4 STUFF and they measure up like they will work without a lot of cocking around.

[richban]

Not sure why no one (as far as I know) has used USD RGV250 forks and clamps. I considered them a while ago before I found some nx4 STUFF and they measure up like they will work without a lot of cocking around.

Simple they weigh 12kg. The NSR forks weigh 7.5 or something close to that. You would still need the emulators and re-spring to make them any good. You might as well run GSXR forks then they would be adjustable. ZXR seam popular and hard to find. Not sure on the weight.

[hmurphy]

ZXR seam popular and hard to find. Not sure on the weight.

They are heavy. The frame itself is light but the forks are made of concrete. My Dad's R1 forks are lighter. The bike still goes mint though, better than spaghetti FXR forks.

[kel]

Just had a little measure up with the NSR forks. They are the same offset as an FXR so will go on quite nice. Could be a really good upgrade from standard. They are light stiff and you can get a massive selection of springs for them. I haven't checked the steerer size yet but they might even go straight on with a 5mm spacer in the top. So if you can find some MC21 or 28 forks for cheap they could stiffen your the FXR front quite a bit.

I agree. I bought a NSR front end to put on my FXR, problem was that it turned out to be Honda RS250 NF5 so all of a suddenly became far to good for the old FXR. Felt quite guilty picking them up so cheap, the feeling passed quickly enough though :lol:.

[richban]

I agree. I bought a NSR front end to put on my FXR, problem was that it turned out to be Honda RS250 NF5 so all of a suddenly became far to good for the old FXR. Felt quite guilty picking them up so cheap, the feeling passed quickly enough though :lol:.

You Bastard. :mad:

[F5 Dave]

RGV usds are cartridge no damper rod. They cheaped out on adjusters on all but SP models.

[gav]

I've fitted 41mm GSXR250RK front end to my FXR frame, bolts straight in with the steering stem being the same size as the FXR one.

[Drew]

I've fitted 41mm GSXR250RK front end to my FXR frame, bolts straight in with the steering stem being the same size as the FXR one.

Is the Rk model like the RR with the flash stuff, or just the normal ones?

[richban]

More rear shock learnings. Just had a look at a nice light little RS125 shock 300mm eye to eye also. Just need to sort the top eyelet to 12mm instead of 10. Or shim the fame mount.

[richban]

New Axels. Just need to make up one more spacer for the front and a couple for the back and we are on wheels.

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Yesterday Spoke to Robert Taylor about sorting the suspension and today in a courier bag I get my new short Ohlins springs, Customized Race tech emulators and nice new Ali spacer tubes. Fantastic service for sure. And the cool thing about the Ohlins springs is that if the spring rate is not bang on he will swap them out for no cost.


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[Bert]

NICE.....:clap:

[Rick 52]

New Axels. Just need to make up one more spacer for the front and a couple for the back and we are on wheels.

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Yesterday Spoke to Robert Taylor about sorting the suspension and today in a courier bag I get my new short Ohlins springs, Customized Race tech emulators and nice new Ali spacer tubes. Fantastic service for sure. And the cool thing about the Ohlins springs is that if the spring rate is not bang on he will swap them out for no cost.


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Very nice ...looking forward to seeing it going !

[Bren_chch]

that shit aint gana help you!!

:killingme

[Drew]

that shit aint gana help you!!

:killingme

I'm coming down, and I cheat. That'll bloody help him.:ar15:

[Bren_chch]

I'm coming down, and I cheat. That'll bloody help him.:ar15:

thats good of you... he needs all the help he can get!

[Drew]

thats good of you... he needs all the help he can get!

I barely know him, and don't know you from a bar of soap. But you seem like the type of guy that'll understand when his front brake calliper bounces off.

[Bren_chch]

what... why will his front brake caliper bounce off??


:lol:

[quallman1234]

New Axels. Just need to make up one more spacer for the front and a couple for the back and we are on wheels.

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Yesterday Spoke to Robert Taylor about sorting the suspension and today in a courier bag I get my new short Ohlins springs, Customized Race tech emulators and nice new Ali spacer tubes. Fantastic service for sure. And the cool thing about the Ohlins springs is that if the spring rate is not bang on he will swap them out for no cost.


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Argh jealous....

Mmmm

[Drew]

what... why will his front brake caliper bounce off??


:lol:Oops, I've been off race bikes so long I can't even smack talk anymore. God save anyone on the track with me.

[hmurphy]

Oops, I've been off race bikes so long I can't even smack talk anymore. God save anyone on the track with me.

Nobody has to worry. From what I have heard you will spend more time in the grass than on the track. THAT'S smack talk.

[Pumba]

Nobody has to worry. From what I have heard you will spend more time in the grass than on the track. THAT'S smack talk.

Meh, not very good smack talk though

[Pumba]

.....

Pretty. Never got to admire mine.

[richban]

thats good of you... he needs all the help he can get!

You go away for 5 minutes and the handbags are out.

Well just got back from Andrews lath. Fuck I am useless at tuning stuff but even worse at measuring stuff. So I fucked up the fork shim / spacer that was measured wrong in the first place. Double fuck. But as Andrew so kindly pointed out as least I didn't fuck up the correct one. So I gave up and we recycled my old springs into Andrew's RS. Funny after cutting the progressive bit of the bottom they ended up being the same rate and length as the new ohlins ones. Hmmm well at least 2 people get to benefit from this.

[Drew]

Nobody has to worry. From what I have heard you will spend more time in the grass than on the track. THAT'S smack talk.

When I go into the grass, I'm taking you with me young fella!

Come back when you learn to wheelie:baby:

[hmurphy]

When I go into the grass, I'm taking you with me young fella!

Come back when you learn to wheelie:baby:

Haha good shit, sounds like you're actually gonna make it to the track finally eh?

Rich your suspension is getting all fancy and you're gonna have a superpowered bucket. Lap record in the making?

[F5 Dave]

You go away for 5 minutes and the handbags are out.

Well just got back from Andrews lath. Fuck I am useless at tuning stuff but even worse at measuring stuff. So I fucked up the fork shim / spacer that was measured wrong in the first place. Double fuck. But as Andrew so kindly pointed out as least I didn't fuck up the correct one. So I gave up and we recycled my old springs into Andrew's RS. Funny after cutting the progressive bit of the bottom they ended up being the same rate and length as the new ohlins ones. Hmmm well at least 2 people get to benefit from this.

Hope you went to some pains to get the spring ends totally flat.

[Drew]

Hope you went to some pains to get the spring ends totally flat.

It's easier to make a seat for the cut spring, than try to get a good surface on the end of a coil.

[richban]

Hope you went to some pains to get the spring ends totally flat.

Yep took Andrew 30 seconds.


More shinny stuff in the post. Have remade the spacer i fucked up and now the front end is ready to go back on the frame. Only the front break to mount now and we will be done on the front. The Bars were supper cheap. $67 bucks and free shipping from Ebay AU. The bars feel like you could crush them in your hand and won't handle a crash, so I will run the woodcraft ones off the FXR. Should be on wheels and ready for the power plant mid week.

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[F5 Dave]

Slighty was keen on steel bars rather than the super light ones he got on Muzzy's bikes. Can't finish a race with a bar hanging off. More of an issue with longer races than sprint kart day ones.

[richban]

Slighty was keen on steel bars rather than the super light ones he got on Muzzy's bikes. Can't finish a race with a bar hanging off. More of an issue with longer races than sprint kart day ones.

Yeah true that. The wood craft ones I have I have had since I first got the FXR. They have been so good. I did replace them coz they got bent a little and replacements were cheap. Still have the others as back up. You know I have crashed that bike fast. Good advert for the woodcraft bars.

[richban]

Just finished putting the fork legs back together. Wow is all I can say. They are so plush and controlled now. I should have put some emulators in the FXR ages ago. Super impressed. Thats got me even more motivated to get this thing done. I am now addicted to getting it to handle even better. Used to be addicted to power but getting over that slowly. HP that is.;)

[fi5hy]

( I am now addicted to getting it to handle even better) ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR :motu:

[hmurphy]

( I am now addicted to getting it to handle even better) ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR ZXR :motu:

I like this post (even though mine is a ratty version of Fishies). Mate I want to ride this new bike of yours. And I want to ride Andrew's bike too. I want to see why people think anything could possibly be better than a ZXR....

[richban]

I like this post (even though mine is a ratty version of Fishies). Mate I want to ride this new bike of yours. And I want to ride Andrew's bike too. I want to see why people think anything could possibly be better than a ZXR....

One thing I like about my bike is it started life with a 17" rear wheel and a 23.15 degree Caster and 87mm Trail. Unlike your beloved ZXR. Oh and its light. And sexy and shinny and stuff. And will kick your asssesssssssssss.

[Drew]

The geometry of the ZXR can be copied, and 17 inch wheels are not that hard to come by.

I don't think a huge number of bucket riders have any clue how much better their bikes would be if they chucked a set of emulators in it, and put a good shock in it. Not just finding a shock that fits either. Spring rates are important, but a shock that has done 10,000k's NEEDS to be serviced. New oil and seals. No fuckin exceptions! The oil in a shock works much harder than that in forks because it works at three times the speed.

All this gets completely forgotten on the majority of motorbikes, but on the track it starts becoming a big problem real fast, and most morons start complaining about tyres being too cold or crap.

[crazy man]

The geometry of the ZXR can be copied, and 17 inch wheels are not that hard to come by.

I don't think a huge number of bucket riders have any clue how much better their bikes would be if they chucked a set of emulators in it, and put a good shock in it. Not just finding a shock that fits either. Spring rates are important, but a shock that has done 10,000k's NEEDS to be serviced. New oil and seals. No fuckin exceptions! The oil in a shock works much harder than that in forks because it works at three times the speed.

All this gets completely forgotten on the majority of motorbikes, but on the track it starts becoming a big problem real fast, and most morons start complaining about tyres being too cold or crap.that would make a good tui add lol

:devil2:

[Drew]

that would make a good tui add lol

:devil2:

Just had my shock serviced...Yeah right.

Yip.

[richban]

The geometry of the ZXR can be copied, and 17 inch wheels are not that hard to come by.

I don't think a huge number of bucket riders have any clue how much better their bikes would be if they chucked a set of emulators in it, and put a good shock in it. Not just finding a shock that fits either. Spring rates are important, but a shock that has done 10,000k's NEEDS to be serviced. New oil and seals. No fuckin exceptions! The oil in a shock works much harder than that in forks because it works at three times the speed.

All this gets completely forgotten on the majority of motorbikes, but on the track it starts becoming a big problem real fast, and most morons start complaining about tyres being too cold or crap.

Yeah its a good investment for sure. Especially when you toast a near new tyre in 8 laps on a kart track.

[Drew]

Yeah its a good investment for sure. Especially when you toast a near new tyre in 8 laps on a kart track.

It's a false economy to NOT do it. But the mind set is what it is, and although I enjoy the odd rant, I'm happy to let most idiots carry on that way.

[richban]

It's a false economy to NOT do it. But the mind set is what it is, and although I enjoy the odd rant, I'm happy to let most idiots carry on that way.

Yeah well when you don't know what your are doing and you start trying to get your head around it it all gets rather bloody intimidating. I am now getting my head around it sort of. I alway new that I was missing out on some handling. Especially when you are following fishie and you see him get on the gas about 2 seconds before you have any hope of twisting the throttle and surviving. I just thought enthusiasm and HP would remedy that. Game gets raised some more. Fun times

[crazy man]

Yeah its a good investment for sure. Especially when you toast a near new tyre in 8 laps on a kart track.some more psi will fix that

[richban]

some more psi will fix that

You calling me fat?

[Henk]

You calling me fat?

If he isn't, I will

The thought of you on a bike with power AND handling scares me a bit, I recon you should have to run golden boys instead of slicks.

[richban]

If he isn't, I will

The thought of you on a bike with power AND handling scares me a bit, I recon you should have to run golden boys instead of slicks.

What does that involve? I hope you are not talking about urinating on my new bike?.

Could just mean I crash faster.

[crazy man]

You calling me fat?no l'm the fat man so l know lol

[gav]

So .... where do you find these emulator thingys then? (apart from in other people forks ... ) Are they straight forward enough to install?

[hmurphy]

My suspension needs to be serviced but a lot of my bike needs to be serviced and it's not happening for 1 reason... I'm too lazy. As soon as I can't keep up with the front runners I'll do something about it. I'm looking forward to you (trying) to kick my ass Rich, bring it on mate!! Can't wait for the intense battles to come!

My bike used to chew up Bridgestone supersoft slicks in 1 race but as soon as I went to a harder compound (i.e. a soft or medium) the tyre has just as much traction and it lasts a lot longer. I'm sure suspension plays a large part but so do the 'relatively' low forces and low heat that we are putting into the tyres (compared to 125gp bikes). There is also riding style too, and I know I like to take corners differently to, say, Andrew and Rich because I don't have quite as much power as them. You would be surprised how well a stock FXR handles with some minor adjustments to suspension (heavier weight fork oil and if you're lucky and don't get a stuffed stock FXR shock). It's still a POS compared to, say, a ZXR but you can still ride in the 43 second range on a well set up STOCK FXR. I wouldn't go spending a shart-load of cash on an FXR frame. At MOST I would do what Richard did with his FXR frame and buy a decent shock. I rode his FXR framed bucket recently and it handled nearly as well as my bike. Nearly.

[mossy1200]

You wont catch me getting good suspension.

[hmurphy]

You wont catch me getting good suspension.

Didn't you just buy Aprilia forks.....?

[Drew]

My suspension needs to be serviced but a lot of my bike needs to be serviced and it's not happening for 1 reason... I'm too lazy. As soon as I can't keep up with the front runners I'll do something about it. I'm looking forward to you (trying) to kick my ass Rich, bring it on mate!! Can't wait for the intense battles to come!

My bike used to chew up Bridgestone supersoft slicks in 1 race but as soon as I went to a harder compound (i.e. a soft or medium) the tyre has just as much traction and it lasts a lot longer. I'm sure suspension plays a large part but so do the 'relatively' low forces and low heat that we are putting into the tyres (compared to 125gp bikes). There is also riding style too, and I know I like to take corners differently to, say, Andrew and Rich because I don't have quite as much power as them. You would be surprised how well a stock FXR handles with some minor adjustments to suspension (heavier weight fork oil and if you're lucky and don't get a stuffed stock FXR shock). It's still a POS compared to, say, a ZXR but you can still ride in the 43 second range on a well set up STOCK FXR. I wouldn't go spending a shart-load of cash on an FXR frame. At MOST I would do what Richard did with his FXR frame and buy a decent shock. I rode his FXR framed bucket recently and it handled nearly as well as my bike. Nearly.

Did you pass year 11 english? Because that is one fuckin hard to read paragraph mate.

You're saying that if you're lucky and get an FXR without a fucked shock, and chuck in thicker fork oil you can achieve something that corners OK. Primo, for fuck all a rooted shock can be serviced, (ie new gas and oil), at TSS too though.

But I'm on the let 80cc MX motors in band wagon for now, once those power houses come in I could ride a hard tail and still beat everyone.

[hmurphy]

Did you pass year 11 english? Because that is one fuckin hard to read paragraph mate.

Whoduvthunk?


You're saying that if you're lucky and get an FXR without a fucked shock, and chuck in thicker fork oil you can achieve something that corners OK.

Yes.


But I'm on the let 80cc MX motors in band wagon for now, once those power houses come in I could ride a hard tail and still beat everyone.

Could be a cool avenue to go down for racing, but might be a disaster in many ways. Would be cool if Glen can be bothered testing with one.

[richban]

So .... where do you find these emulator thingys then? (apart from in other people forks ... ) Are they straight forward enough to install?

Race tech are what I am running through Crown Kiwi. Mr ohlins. YSS also do them. I went with Crown Kiwi, KSS, Robert Taylor because of the great advice and service. They did a little custom job on them and set them up in a happy place for me. I just had to put it all back together. Also gave advice on the install as the instructions are a little basic. He just said when you go to install them call me, here is my after hours number. We went over what was there and a few measurements, As and turns out I didn't need to make big holes in the damper rods like the install instructions suggested. Get some they rule. Also helps when you have the correct spring rate.

[Drew]

Could be a cool avenue to go down for racing, but might be a disaster in many ways. Would be cool if Glen can be bothered testing with one.

Shit yeah. The up and down sides to the MX motor are one and the same...The gearbox. The motor is no faster than heaps of others, but the six cog close ratio will mean the bike can exit a corner like a fuckin shot. It's still gonna run out of puff though, you just can't gear it high enough and still expect to get it moving.

Hey Rich, chuck one in the FXR frame once the new bikes done. Do a comparison between what the bike was, and what it becomes.

[Drew]

Race tech are what I am running through Crown Kiwi. Mr ohlins. YSS also do them. I went with Crown Kiwi, KSS, Robert Taylor because of the great advice and service. They did a little custom job on them and set them up in a happy place for me. I just had to put it all back together. Also gave advice on the install as the instructions are a little basic. He just said when you go to install them call me, here is my after hours number. We went over what was there and a few measurements, As and turns out I didn't need to make big holes in the damper rods like the install instructions suggested. Get some they rule. Also helps when you have the correct spring rate.

The stiffer popit springs and smaller bleed holes are almost manditory, but it's easy to do if anyone is contemplating getting some straight from the box.

[richban]

Hey Rich, chuck one in the FXR frame once the new bikes done. Do a comparison between what the bike was, and what it becomes.

No thanks. If I can high side my FXR now I hate to think how much air that little creation would give me. Anyway to the shed with you.

[Bert]

Shit yeah. The up and down sides to the MX motor are one and the same...The gearbox. The motor is no faster than heaps of others, but the six cog close ratio will mean the bike can exit a corner like a fuckin shot. It's still gonna run out of puff though, you just can't gear it high enough and still expect to get it moving.

Hey Rich, chuck one in the FXR frame once the new bikes done. Do a comparison between what the bike was, and what it becomes.

they were a common class in Europe as well.
266392 (forgot the photo tag its a 80cc)
just change the primary ratio; it will suck off the line but be great once up there...

Maybe we should just build one....

[Drew]

No thanks. If I can high side my FXR now I hate to think how much air that little creation would give me. Anyway to the shed with you.

The shed I use is some distance away from where I live. Will be there later, but I have found I wont be riding tomorrow. The whole, I have no rear brake caliper thing being quite the limiting factor.

[Drew]

they were a common class in Europe as well.
266392 (forgot the photo tag its a 80cc)
just change the primary ratio; it will suck off the line but be great once up there...

By god that thing is fuggin cool.

So you're admitting, that to make something powered with one of these, would still require some time and money to be a front runner on a long track?

[Bert]

By god that thing is fuggin cool.

So you're admitting, that to make something powered with one of these, would still require some time and money to be a front runner on a long track?

I didn't disagree with the discussion: linky back to last comment (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151297-New-Bucket-Class-Idea?p=1130356816#post1130356816)

but to answer your question: Yes.... especially a 80s not the new generation 85s...
I don't have an issue with the concept Drew. I've been bagged for years suggesting it (which I have done repeatedly; usually once a year around the times my motors blow up...).
I think its a match made in heaven 150cc fours and 80cc twos; max 5% over size. no restrictions. even in with Streetstocks on big tracks...



Race tech are what I am running through Crown Kiwi. Mr ohlins. YSS also do them. I went with Crown Kiwi, KSS, Robert Taylor because of the great advice and service. They did a little custom job on them and set them up in a happy place for me. I just had to put it all back together. Also gave advice on the install as the instructions are a little basic. He just said when you go to install them call me, here is my after hours number. We went over what was there and a few measurements, As and turns out I didn't need to make big holes in the damper rods like the install instructions suggested. Get some they rule. Also helps when you have the correct spring rate.

Anyway back to the real thread; Rich that all sounds like a simple process; what weight oil did you use?

[richban]

I didn't disagree with the discussion: linky back to last comment (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151297-New-Bucket-Class-Idea?p=1130356816#post1130356816)

but to answer your question: Yes.... especially a 80s not the new generation 85s...
I don't have an issue with the concept Drew. I've been bagged for years suggesting it (which I have done repeatedly; usually once a year around the times my motors blow up...).
I think its a match made in heaven 150cc fours and 80cc twos; max 5% over size. no restrictions. even in with Streetstocks on big tracks...




Anyway back to the real thread; Rich that all sounds like a simple process; what weight oil did you use?

Yeah this is a 4 stroke build get out you smokers. 15w feels just right.

[richban]

Little bit more progress.

Chopped the old front engine stays. The small bit that I left will be where the big crash protection will be bolted on. Also the copped bits will be may be recycled and for the top engine mount.

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Also started to mock up the rear wheel. For a minute there I thought it was going to be perfect on the drive side but looks off a little. Still it will be quite easy as I just need to machine the sprocket carrier spacer and add one to the break side. Should be rolling soon.


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[F5 Dave]

We've been down the mx80 argument many times. Blows a hole down the side of the non competition rule. But the other main drama is that MX80s don't get broken up, they get ridden till they shrapnel themselves. You'd have to buy a going bike & the argument then goes Johnnys Dad buys a newer one. The 85 change over is a point, but who could tell a 80 from a 85?

Nah, the formula has been the same & with minor tweaks has stood the test of time.


ahh hold on I've seen the other thread, Blaaah.

[richban]

Quick mockup. First real idea of how it might look. Heaps to do still. Will work from the front back. Subframe is no good to me really so will have to make a new one. It will have quite a hi seat Not as jacked as it looks but not 2 far off. Need to track down the front guard I got on trademe a long time ago that the guys has never bothered to send me.

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[F5 Dave]

Think there needs to be a large hot metal bit in the middle. Tell your mechanic to sharpen up her act for forgetting that.

[richban]

Think there needs to be a large hot metal bit in the middle. Tell your mechanic to sharpen up her act for forgetting that.

She is more a suspension tech. Working with the front a the moment. Pic's of the hot metal bit coming soon.

[ac3_snow]

Are they late model nsr wheels that came in 17 or something different?

[F5 Dave]

Looks likes she's making some adjustments to your Bridgestones.

NSR? Nah Rich is too flash for that roadbike stuff. HRC pieces.

[richban]

Are they late model nsr wheels that came in 17 or something different?

Old Marvic RS125 Wheels. It will spend most of its life on the other RS wheels off the FXR in the pic. The thing I like about the MC21 is that it started life on 17's. So hopefully the good geometry they have won't be messed up with tyre profile differences. Must check that out.


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[richban]

Well its time to say goodbye to old Number 45 as I know it. New bike needs some bits. We have had some good times and some bad. Race wins and hospital visits. More wins than visits so thats the main thing. Anyway so there will be some bits being put on trademe soon namely the Fab rear shock that transformed the bike. Also Front end and other bits that don't get recycled for the new build. Also put some pressure onto get the new bike finished before the next round. A sad day in the shed for sure.

[kel]

Well its time to say goodbye to old Number 45 as I know it. New bike needs some bits. We have had some good times and some bad. Race wins and hospital visits. More wins than visits so thats the main thing. Anyway so there will be some bits being put on trademe soon namely the Fab rear shock that transformed the bike. Also Front end and other bits that don't get recycled for the new build. Also put some pressure onto get the new bike finished before the next round. A sad day in the shed for sure.

Box of beers for the rear shock and wheels? I'll cover the freight cost.
But seriously why not offer the shock up here and on the fxr150 site, everyone knows how well it works.

[richban]

But seriously why not offer the shock up here and on the fxr150 site, everyone knows how well it works.

I just did. Also on trademe they work in cash money not beers.:msn-wink: Will pull it out tomorrow and get the proper measurements and shit. It's longer buy 5 or 10mm can't remember.

[Pumba]

He didn't say anything about the wheels Kel:brick:

[richban]

Hell no them wheels are gold it seams. Never will they be sold.

[koba]

Here is some of that rear shock stuff I was talking about.
It may not be 100% correct but can give a good idea for a starting point. I'm gradually getting more info.
My Spreadsheet tells me where the data comes from by different colours but I'm not going to get that complex here.
A lot of it is from the racetech website.

"Type" (e/e or e/f) means eye/eye or eye/fork (clevis).


<tbody>
Model
Year
Type
Length
Springrate (kg/mm)


NSR
MC18

MC21

MC22
e/e





285*

300

300
9.85


R6
1999-2002
e/e
305
9.3



2003/04
e/e

9.85




<tbody>
2005

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>


<tbody>
295

</tbody>


<tbody>
10.8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2006/07

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f Some 2007 e/e

</tbody>


<tbody>
290

</tbody>


<tbody>
9.8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2008/11

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>



<tbody>
9.8

</tbody>




<tbody>
R1

</tbody>


<tbody>
2003

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>



<tbody>
8.8

</tbody>




<tbody>
GSXR600

</tbody>


<tbody>
1992/93

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.2

</tbody>





<tbody>
1997

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
1998-2000

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
2001-2003

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2004/05

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
7.6

</tbody>





<tbody>
2006-2009

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
9.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
2011

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e ?

</tbody>






<tbody>
GSXR750

</tbody>


<tbody>
2011/12

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e ?

</tbody>




</tbody>

[richban]

Here is some of that rear shock stuff I was talking about.
It may not be 100% correct but can give a good idea for a starting point. I'm gradually getting more info.
My Spreadsheet tells me where the data comes from by different colours but I'm not going to get that complex here.
A lot of it is from the racetech website.

"Type" (e/e or e/f) means eye/eye or eye/fork (clevis).


<tbody>
Model
Year
Type
Length
Springrate (kg/mm)


NSR

e/e
285*
9.85


R6
1999-2002
e/e
305
9.3



2003/04
e/e

9.85




<tbody>
2005

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>


<tbody>
295

</tbody>


<tbody>
10.8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2006/07

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f Some 2007 e/e

</tbody>


<tbody>
290

</tbody>


<tbody>
9.8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2008/11

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>



<tbody>
9.8

</tbody>




<tbody>
R1

</tbody>


<tbody>
2003

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e

</tbody>



<tbody>
8.8

</tbody>




<tbody>
GSXR600

</tbody>


<tbody>
1992/93

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.2

</tbody>





<tbody>
1997

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
1998-2000

</tbody>




<tbody>
6.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
2001-2003

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
8

</tbody>





<tbody>
2004/05

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
7.6

</tbody>





<tbody>
2006-2009

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/f

</tbody>



<tbody>
9.4

</tbody>





<tbody>
2011

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e ?

</tbody>






<tbody>
GSXR750

</tbody>


<tbody>
2011/12

</tbody>


<tbody>
e/e ?

</tbody>




</tbody>


Cheers Mate. You can add to that the MC21 and 28 rear shock is 300 eye to eye.

[richban]

Here is some of that rear shock stuff I was talking about.
It may not be 100% correct but can give a good idea for a starting point. I'm gradually getting more info.
My Spreadsheet tells me where the data comes from by different colours but I'm not going to get that complex here.
A lot of it is from the racetech website.



Cheers Mate. You can add to that the MC21 and 28 rear shock is 300 eye to eye.

[koba]

Cheers Mate. You can add to that the MC21 and 28 rear shock is 300 eye to eye.

Cool. Perhaps we could build a collaborative online library of info?

[richban]

Cool. Perhaps we could build a collaborative online library of info?

Having enough trouble building a bike.

Well not much progress. Pulled it apart again to sort the back wheel alignment was 5mm out so easy to sort. Also now the rear break is all sorted. Should have the rear end back together with new swing-arm seals over the weekend. Looking to have the bike finished end of next week. Well ridable.

Looking to buy a tig as well. I plan on keeping the old FXR frame and making a new frame around it. Well we will see how that goes.

[richban]

Well after ages of thinking we had the engine all sorted and ready for assembly Kevin has decided its not silly enough and needs bigger cams again. Check the intake valve pockets. Should have a heap of top end. Will loose a little at the bottom but thats what the gears are for A. The pumper should help as well. Spent some time on the chassis today. Have a plan for the front break mounting now. Will have some break disks for sale. 2 x Metal gear RS 125 rotors machined down from 296 to 290 reall good nic. Also 4 x NSR 250 all seam good haven't used them on anything. Will check they are straight tomorrow. Anyone keen PM me ta.




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[koba]

Check the intake valve pockets.

Sick shit. Does that require cutting a bit of liner away to accommodate the silly sized valves too?

[timg]

Well after ages of thinking we had the engine all sorted and ready for assembly Kevin has decided its not silly enough and needs bigger cams again. Check the intake valve pockets. Should have a heap of top end. Will loose a little at the bottom but thats what the gears are for A. The pumper should help as well. Spent some time on the chassis today. Have a plan for the front break mounting now. Will have some break disks for sale. 2 x Metal gear RS 125 rotors machined down from 296 to 290 reall good nic. Also 4 x NSR 250 all seam good haven't used them on anything. Will check they are straight tomorrow. Anyone keen PM me ta.




267165267164 Awesome. What size you up to now? What piston? Cheers.

[Henk]

Awesome. What size you up to now? What piston? Cheers.

Surely it's a 250 by now.

[richban]

Sick shit. Does that require cutting a bit of liner away to accommodate the silly sized valves too?


Nah still fit nice. the valve size is limited by there spacing between them.

[richban]

Surely it's a 250 by now.

157. Will go like a 250.

[richban]

What piston? Cheers.

not telling.

[Buddha#81]

not telling.

Team ESE would ........

[Bert]

not telling.


Team ESE would ........

:killingme:killingme:killingme
Just ring his brother....

It all looks very nice Rich. Are there any concerns around fatigue on the piston scallops?
I can't wait to see it fully completed and out there. Its going to be a weapon in the NSR.


But I can't resist (given its KB)..
Don't forget to put a hour meter on it (right from the first start).
Then we can run a poll ("How many hours until Rich delivers another shrapnel bomb?") :lol:

[timg]

Surely it's a 250 by now. Yeah I know that :lol: i was meaning how big the valves :eek:

[richban]

:killingme:killingme:killingme
Just ring his brother....

It all looks very nice Rich. Are there any concerns around fatigue on the piston scallops?
I can't wait to see it fully completed and out there. Its going to be a weapon in the NSR.


But I can't resist (given its KB)..
Don't forget to put a hour meter on it (right from the first start).
Then we can run a poll ("How many hours until Rich delivers another shrapnel bomb?") :lol:

No issues with the valve pockets heaps of meat there.

Yeah well its pushing it for sure. High compression, 13200 rpm and still air / oil cooled. A full belly pan might not be enough to catch the bits this time. It would not have helped last time. Intake valves are 25. Top end power will be interesting for sure.

Piston is a Wiseco (opps edit JE piston). Ninja 250 piston. Josh at kelfords spend a day making it light enough to work its still to heavy and the crank needed mallory to sort the balance. They are a heavy pice of wrongness. Josh hates me for sure. Best and cheapest option will be a batch of custom pistons. If you used the piston in an unmodified state without doing your crank it could really cause some problems with balance and you would most likely loose power. There you go some sharing and caring ESE style.

There are so many people running FXRs in you could probably do an order of 25 30 pistons.

[crazy man]

looks like your old engine would hit around 27hp at a bit over 13000rpm going of the old dyno run of yours? . l need a new fxr engine to play with but stuff the bro lm going 2 smoker cause l want ot blow up every meeting now

[richban]

looks like your old engine would hit around 27hp at a bit over 13000rpm going of the old dyno run of yours? . l need a new fxr engine to play with but stuff the bro lm going 2 smoker cause l want ot blow up every meeting now

If we got 27hp that would be amazing. Real test will be a back to back dyno session on the ESE dyno. apples and apples.

[Bren_chch]

farrrrkkkkkk that piston work is mint... i got one here but its not been attacked yet.

ermmm that other piston is at work in the outbox. lol, so u will get it eventually.

ur engine is going to be awesome!! :niceone:

[richban]

farrrrkkkkkk that piston work is mint... i got one here but its not been attacked yet.

ermmm that other piston is at work in the outbox. lol, so u will get it eventually.

ur engine is going to be awesome!! :niceone:

Yeah no way I could have done that. I owe Josh many beers. All good on the piston. Talked to Kevin about an order of custom pistons. He said he will look into it. They will still be 300 bucks each though.

Started on the engine mounting today. Got all excited when the bottom engine mount slid through and sat in there all nice. Quickly realized the engine was sloping to far forward and drive shaft to hi. Pooo. Also looks like the top cross brace might need to go. Will try and save it as I want to add a mount to the back of the engine. Also looked a little harder at the front break should be simple enough with a packer plate and a bit of chopping an welding on the steel caliper mount. Also made a new strong front tank mount as well today. Did a rough weigh in today as well. Piled all the bit i could think of and she came in at 86kg. not bad but will have to make sure everything added to the bike will be as light as possible to say that weight.

Biggest challenge will be when my new Tig arrives next week. First project New subframe. Never tig welded before. Worked with gas ages ago but looking forward to getting stuck in. Second project is to use the FXR frame and remake it better stronger lighter.

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[hmurphy]

Looks awesome! Man 86kg is damn light. Mine is 104 with 2 litres of gas. My rims probably weigh a good 100kg though but I'm too cheap to buy expensive ones like you.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Looking mint mate, is the first photo with the motor sitting in the original mount? Because if it is I would say you would easily get away with running that in terms of sprocket position to the swingarm point. Even the motor leaning forward like that should be sweet.

[richban]

Looking mint mate, is the first photo with the motor sitting in the original mount? Because if it is I would say you would easily get away with running that in terms of sprocket position to the swingarm point. Even the motor leaning forward like that should be sweet.

Yeah it is close. Close is close, but perfect is better. Need to look at the angle thing and see if it is an advantage or not. If it means I need more oil then that is a good thing. I am going to hold on anymore engine mount stuff and sort a few more fiddly bits for now. Need to do a proper measurement with 25mm of sag to see how far out it really is. Weight distribution from the rough weigh in was a little bias to the front. I think 44 front and 42 rear. So looking good so far. It is just going to get more heavy on the front. Seat position will be quite far back and quite jacked so I can stretch out across the top more.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Yeah it is close. Close is close, but perfect is better. Need to look at the angle thing and see if it is an advantage or not. If it means I need more oil then that is a good thing. I am going to hold on anymore engine mount stuff and sort a few more fiddle bits for now. Need to do a proper measurement with 25mm of sag to see how far out it really is. Weight distribution from the rough weigh in was a little bias to the front. I think 44 front and 42 rear. So looking good so far. It is just going to get more heavy on the front. Seat position will be quite far back and quite jacked so I can stretch out across the top more.

Looking at it, I would say that it is probably about 20mm from being inline with the swingarm pivot and axle however, looking at your chain run, because you run such a small front sprocket if you lower you engine any you will have the chain dragging over the top of the swingarm, which is basically a nice way to give away power, it doesn't matter nearly as much if it touches on the slack side but on the tension side it needs to be a straight line.
A front bias will work well, as buckets are all about the front end and remember load prevents slippage, so more weight over a wheel equals more grip :)

[Drew]

A front bias will work well, as buckets are all about the front end and remember load prevents slippage, so more weight over a wheel equals more grip :)

Don't say that, I have a real good rear tyre and a shit front one.

[richban]

Looking at it, I would say that it is probably about 20mm from being inline with the swingarm pivot and axle however, looking at your chain run, because you run such a small front sprocket if you lower you engine any you will have the chain dragging over the top of the swingarm, which is basically a nice way to give away power, it doesn't matter nearly as much if it touches on the slack side but on the tension side it needs to be a straight line.
A front bias will work well, as buckets are all about the front end and remember load prevents slippage, so more weight over a wheel equals more grip :)

Yeah I even put the 14 on the front to set it up. If the chain starts to eat the swing arm I will deal to the arm and sort it. The swing arm is way heavy duty so can take a little grinder love. Unnecessary squat will rob power as well.

It does look like it won't be an issue getting weight on the front. Happy that is looking good. It was a concern.

[richban]

Don't say that, I have a real good rear tyre and a shit front one.

Just swap them over. Job done. Might be a bit slow to turn in.

Just do a couple of lines before each race. Sorted.

[Drew]

Just swap them over. Job done. Might be a bit slow to turn in.

Just do a couple of lines before each race. Sorted.I have a 16in front and 17in rear. Swapping is not an option.

[hmurphy]

Just do a couple of lines before each race. Sorted.

Is that what you do Rich? Do a few lines before a race, get into your little zone? We need drug testing in buckets from now on by the sounds.

[Drew]

Is that what you do Rich? Do a few lines before a race, get into your little zone? We need drug testing in buckets from now on by the sounds.

Oi, shut your fuckin hole!

Can you get some decent gear Rich?

[richban]

Oi, shut your fuckin hole!

Can you get some decent gear Rich?

Yeah mate. Make my own. It dose make you hair fall out though.

[Drew]

Yeah mate. Make my own. It dose make you hair fall out though.

AWESOME, I'm already going bald!

[F5 Dave]

I tend to think set it up so the chain just touches top of sw. when you sit on the bike it will just miss.

[richban]

New fork brace on the way.

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Also new lighter front rotors.

Bloody rear shock is leaking dam it. Not impressed. A cost I was not expecting. I am sure there will be more.

[F5 Dave]

Hand cuffs for a sheep?

have to set them up loose with lots of bouncing & gradual tightening & more bouncing to check they aren't binding. Often followed by removal & throwing away.

[Drew]

Hand cuffs for a sheep?

have to set them up loose with lots of bouncing & gradual tightening & more bouncing to check they aren't binding. Often followed by removal & throwing away.

Ahhhh, but you are neglecting to notice that the clamps on that set, are not a single side pinch. They should be able to be set up without binding the suspension, and holding the forks nice and snug.

[richban]

Hand cuffs for a sheep?

Often followed by removal & throwing away.

Don't be a hater D. There is heaps of adjustment being a 3 piece. Should be fine. Totally needs one after reducing the axel to 15 mm it has way to much movement for my liking.

With the engine in the correct poz the chain is going to rub the swing arm. Swing arm is getting modified to suit.

[F5 Dave]

Ahhhh, but you are neglecting to notice that the clamps on that set, are not a single side pinch. They should be able to be set up without binding the suspension, and holding the forks nice and snug.
I totally noticed that, hence the set up loose & bounce bit. I just hate fork braces. I've modified non clamp forks to clamp the axle. better option.

[Drew]

I totally noticed that, hence the set up loose & bounce bit. I just hate fork braces. I've modified non clamp forks to clamp the axle. better option.

Best option is to run a 22mm axle with clamps for sure. Lightest, and most effective.

[richban]

I totally noticed that, hence the set up loose & bounce bit. I just hate fork braces. I've modified non clamp forks to clamp the axle. better option.

They are clamp forks. Still to much twist for my liking.

[Drew]

They are clamp forks. Still to much twist for my liking.

Are they upside down froks, or conventional? How do you get them to twist, and how are you measuring when they do?

[richban]

Are they upside down froks, or conventional? How do you get them to twist, and how are you measuring when they do?

MC28 conventional forks. Wheel between legs and twisting bars. Measuring by thinking surly they should not move that much. Not very scientific I know.

Some pic's of a little surgery.


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[Drew]

MC28 conventional forks. Wheel between legs and twisting bars. Measuring by thinking surly they should not move that much. Not very scientific I know.


Most of that will be your legs squishing. But what isn't will be the fork tube slider thingies, whos name I can never fucking remeber.

Bracing it wont help much if that's the case. Get onto your friendliest parts department, and do a quick fork rebuild.

[F5 Dave]

My poor RG50 originally was a 10mm axle!!

Also some forks clamp a spacer not the actual axle. Honda are usually pretty good arrangement with this though. Still have to bounce & tighten.

[richban]

Still have to bounce & tighten.

Bet you say that to all the boys. Also pays to do that when putting the wheel in.

[F5 Dave]

That's the only time you do it?:wacko:

[richban]

Bloody Mr Honda made the rear sets different. Here is what I will give to the water cutter. Bit of a pain means will have to carry more spare's

Also getting the engine mounts water cut. Will do them later today.


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[Brian d marge]

Bloody Mr Honda made the rear sets different. Here is what I will give to the water cutter. Bit of a pain means will have to carry more spare's

Also getting the engine mounts water cut. Will do them later today.


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You have a water cutter? or use of one ?

Stephen

[quallman1234]

You have a water cutter? or use of one ?

Stephen

www.watercut.co.nz

I used him to make some little brackets, he didn't seem to mind doing a couple of odd ball things.
Cheap enough too

[richban]

You have a water cutter? or use of one ?

Stephen

Man down the road. I meant design the engine mounts sorry not water cut them. Just checked the rear sets and Mr bloody Honda made the bolt spacing more narrow on one side as well as the bloody offset. Bastard. Always pays to measure twice and all. And make a mock up as well.

[Brian d marge]

Man down the road. I meant design the engine mounts sorry not water cut them. Just checked the rear sets and Mr bloody Honda made the bolt spacing more narrow on one side as well as the bloody offset. Bastard. Always pays to measure twice and all. And make a mock up as well.

tis why I use rapid prototyping ,design draw,redesign check a million times , print, wait, try it DOH!! modify original drawing , send to Mr Man to make

The rapid prototyping is cheap ( in the long run) ....but if you get it right first time ,,,, well done


Stephen

[richban]

tis why I use rapid prototyping ,design draw,redesign check a million times , print, wait, try it DOH!! modify original drawing , send to Mr Man to make

The rapid prototyping is cheap ( in the long run) ....but if you get it right first time ,,,, well done


Stephen

Not that rapid coz I had a day job today. Its the ethos of one of the biggest most amazing design house's in the world IDO. I had the privilege of working with them once. I would love to work there full time. They are cool.

Small amount of progress today. Ordered the fuel tap for the tank. Also looking at the tank design and carb position. I may be able to integrate an airbox into the tank. Well I will be able to make the airbox part of the tank. I just got to figure the connection it to the bellmouth.

[F5 Dave]

My rapid prototyping printer as I've mentioned before, is Plywood & a hacksaw. Bet I can make one before you draw & print it.

[speights_bud]

Bloody Mr Honda made the rear sets different. Here is what I will give to the water cutter. Bit of a pain means will have to carry more spare's

Also getting the engine mounts water cut. Will do them later today.


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What did you draw them up in? would you mind sending me the file? buddy o mine has a water cutter at home he hasn't run for a while. might give him some encouragement

[Brian d marge]

My rapid prototyping printer as I've mentioned before, is Plywood & a hacksaw. Bet I can make one before you draw & print it.

Seriously doubt it

Stephen

[richban]

My rapid prototyping printer as I've mentioned before, is Plywood & a hacksaw. Bet I can make one before you draw & print it.

Maybe, but mine will be purrrity. Just they way I like it.

[richban]

What did you draw them up in? would you mind sending me the file? buddy o mine has a water cutter at home he hasn't run for a while. might give him some encouragement

Sure. Vectorworks. PM me your address and I will flick you through the file later.

[koba]

My rapid prototyping printer as I've mentioned before, is Plywood & a hacksaw. Bet I can make one before you draw & print it.

I can't seem to find an app for that ?! :scratch:

[richban]

After teaching myself how to weld making a engine stand. I managed to get the rear engine mounts ready for cutting. These are for the rear only and are designed to slip over the existing rails on the rear of the frame. The front mount will be made of steal an bolted to the bottom of the steerer. At this stage anyway.

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Also got the fork brace. Works a treat and really locks the front end together. Without it I might as well have run the FXR forks. I think reducing the axel from 20 to 15 had a marked effect on the stiffness. Happy now.

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Also now my welding is almost ready for public viewing I have started the new sub frame. Its looking like I will need to raise the seat hight a good 50mm to be able to stretch out across the top of the bike. Welding while fun is rather tricky for sure. Sunburnt hands opps. Need to set up a nice little welding table and chair. Well on the home stretch now for sure. Learning lots and having fun. The next build will be that much easier.

[F5 Dave]

Well you have 6 days to next race so heaps of time;)

I'm still trying to make that date:sweatdrop.

[Drew]

I'm still trying to make that date:sweatdrop.I'm not, I'll think of you guys while drinking stupidly and playing on pit bikes in Turangi.

[richban]

Well you have 6 days to next race so heaps of time;)

I'm still trying to make that date:sweatdrop.

Not looking that promising really. We shall see. Will try get the front breaks done tonight.

[F5 Dave]

I'm not, I'll think of you guys while drinking stupidly and playing on pit bikes in Turangi.

That sounds like last weekend except the venue was 40k east & the bikes were bigger. Stupidly bit upheld.

[Kendog]

That fork brace looks cool, but will it mount the Gopro?

[richban]

That fork brace looks cool, but will it mount the Gopro?

Yep Gopro will be fine.

Got the engine mounts back from cutting today. Good guys down there. They also offer fabrication services as well.

Another step closer for sure. And yes that oil on my floor is from the rear shock fuckit.

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[hmurphy]

Mate those engine mounts look sweet! Wish mine weren't so rangi now. I got a very skilled welder to weld them in place though, not worth the risk of having my engine drop out mid race and make you crash behind me :shifty:

[richban]

not worth the risk of having my engine drop out mid race and make you crash behind me :shifty:


I promise not to lap you till the last race of the day. :cool: Will still be running the engine in.

[richban]

Little more progress today. Got the front break on. Was a bit of a mission but all good now.

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Also checked the engine mounts were going to work. All looks good. Engine is sitting at correct angle as Mr suzuki intended. I did measure everything lots but didn't make any cardboard templates to double check so was rather surprised I got it right. Just mad a new engine mount bolt out of one of the NSR long ones. Love my new Tig.


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[F5 Dave]

Cool, should be ready for tomorrow then?

& Brake is spelt(sp) like Brake!

[richban]

Well she is all go now. Engine is in. Bike ready for final bolt up friday. Must go buy some paint.


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[hmurphy]

Awesome!! Looks mint

[Bert]

Well she is all go now. Engine is in. Bike ready for final bolt up friday. Must go buy some paint.


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nice mate.:msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

subframe could take some POR15 though.

So its welded in ok & bolted with spacers relative to SW pivot etc? I missed on mine by a few mm, but recoverable.

[richban]

subframe could take some POR15 though.

So its welded in ok & bolted with spacers relative to SW pivot etc? I missed on mine by a few mm, but recoverable.

Subframe will end up in the scrap bin soon. New one is half done just need to set up seat hight and will finish it off. Yep all lines up nice. When I mocked it up I clamped a ruler along the side then with a tire down put 20mm of sage in it. Sorted. Also moved the engine forward 15mm from what the FXR was. Still lots of little bits but will be rideable in the weekend.

[richban]

More progress.

Engine in chain on and all looking good. Both front and rear brakes are on and working. Foot pegs on. Now just all the little bit like wiring exhaust mount and subframe new gear lever old one now to short. Looks like the final weight will be very close to target of 85kg. At the moment it is 43 front and 39 rear. Still exhaust and seat to go on. Will be riding it tomorrow afternoon all going well. Will maybe post a little vid.


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[F5 Dave]

Still room in Skunkies BOB van. Lots of room.

[richban]

Still room in Skunkies BOB van. Lots of room.

Yeah unfortunately I will be working that weekend. Bad timing but you got to make hay while the sun shines.

[F5 Dave]

. . .so what's your bike doing that weekend?


Not for me of course, but I have a friend:blink:

[Henk]

Not for me of course, but I have a friend:blink:

liar



Bloody ten char thing.

[richban]

Not for me of course, but I have a friend:blink:

Maybe if it was the old FXR. Someone else racing it before me. Never gunna happen. Hands off bitches.

[richban]

I am wondering if having the CDI so close to the coil is a good idea. I will at least swap sides with the rectifier. Anyone think this will be a problem?

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[Yow Ling]

I am wondering if having the CDI so close to the coil is a good idea. I will at least swap sides with the rectifier. Anyone think this will be a problem?

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dont think it should be a problem, some coils have the cdi built in, in a stock cdi set up the signal wires are in the same loom as the high voltage cdi output, if it was dodgy somebody would have said by now

[gav]

How hot will the CDI get there? Would that cause problems?

[richban]

How hot will the CDI get there? Would that cause problems?

I think it should be ok. Sean other people put them there with no majors. Will keep a close eye on it. So close now. Back to the shed after dinner to weld some more stuff. Would have been a little closer if not for a case of chronic (can't see the bit you just made and put somewhere in the fucken mess that is the garage - eyetis).

[gav]

Mounted my CDI on the rail above the motor on the FXR frame, then had issues where the bike would get harder to start through out the day and running rough as if getting to hot. Not sure if it was the CDI that caused the issues but after moving it to the rear of the bike and tiding some other stuff hasnt been a problem.

[richban]

Mounted my CDI on the rail above the motor on the FXR frame, then had issues where the bike would get harder to start through out the day and running rough as if getting to hot. Not sure if it was the CDI that caused the issues but after moving it to the rear of the bike and tiding some other stuff hasnt been a problem.

Cool good to know. Will keep an eye on it.

More progress. Finished welding up the subframe today. Quite happy with it. Not quite ready for a blat up the road but almost.


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[crazy man]

its come together very nice richy

[richban]

its come together very nice richy

Cheers Scott. I am so into the whole process I am now itching to start my next bike. Was thinking of you when I welded up the sub-fame and then went to bolt it up and found it was rather a different shape than what I started with. Was still plenty hot so a couple of knocks with the hammer and letting it cool all bolted up. I can only imagine the jig you must have to build the frames. Total respect.

[husaberg]

Will add more later.

Grumph asked why the fellow in the NWS pic looked bonkers. Well he is, in a good way.
I will post why later.

I think there is a pic of one of the crazy frame's still on the jig on his tread somewhere as well. or maybe not

[richban]

I think there is a pic of one of the crazy frame's still on the jig on his tread somewhere as well

The plan I have is to build around the old FXR frame then cut away the old bits. Looks like it should be ok. I will build a real basic jig for that job. After talking to Mr water cutter I am also now looking at using some late model 600 forks. Water cutting the triple clamps will be cheap and easy. He said just make the holes .5 under then mill to size later. Will have to check the weight of a gsxr stanchion to see if it will be worth it.

[husaberg]

The plan I have is to build around the old FXR frame then cut away the old bits. Looks like it should be ok. I will build a real basic jig for that job. After talking to Mr water cutter I am also now looking at using some late model 600 forks. Water cutting the triple clamps will be cheap and easy. He said just make the holes .5 under then mill to size later. Will have to check the weight of a gsxr stanchion to see if it will be worth it.


If i may suggest if you were making clamps make them adjustable for offset. That way you can adjust the trail independent of the rake also most of the race bike clamps are real deep on the lower yoke. A built in bracket on the lower yoke for a steering damper could be fun (like an RS125)

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thrown in a ROb North clamp as they are neat i think the Works BSA MX ti bikes had beatiful fabricted yokes from round tube that were far lighter than any exotic Mag alloy

[timg]

Cool good to know. Will keep an eye on it.

More progress. Finished welding up the subframe today. Quite happy with it. Not quite ready for a blat up the road but almost.


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[Bren_chch]

Looking very cool Rich :Punk:Pity we won't see it down here for the BOB :no:

WHAT!!! ur not coming down????

ur bikes looking PIMP... its gana be a beast!!!

[Grumph]

If i may suggest if you were making clamps make them adjustable for offset. That way you can adjust the trail independent of the rake also most of the race bike clamps are real deep on the lower yoke. A built in bracket on the lower yoke for a steering damper could be fun (like an RS125)
thrown in a ROb North clamp as they are neat i think the Works BSA MX ti bikes had beatiful fabricted yokes from round tube that were far lighter than any exotic Mag alloy

I don't know why more people don't fabricate triple clamps - the last pre 72 I built I fabricated the top clamp from machined bosses and thick wall open channel which I had bandsawed out of rectangular tube...TIG it up on a simple jig and bobs yer unkie..
Came out quite light and very stiff - without any real attempt at lightness too.

I suppose the lure of the magic acronym C.A.D....and shiny billet is too much to resist for some people.

[Yow Ling]

I don't know why more people don't fabricate triple clamps - the last pre 72 I built I fabricated the top clamp from machined bosses and thick wall open channel which I had bandsawed out of rectangular tube...TIG it up on a simple jig and bobs yer unkie..
Came out quite light and very stiff - without any real attempt at lightness too.

I suppose the lure of the magic acronym C.A.D....and shiny billet is too much to resist for some people.

I use CAD all the time "Cartoon aided design" more of a thought process, cant download an app for it, also use chalk to draw in the floor "Chalk aided draughting"

[crazy man]

l would like to do mr BOB

[husaberg]

l would like to do mr BOB

Each to his own? i er....guess.......
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At least the "wet patch" won't be an issue............

[richban]

WHAT!!! ur not coming down????

ur bikes looking PIMP... its gana be a beast!!!

Yeah I know. Bit gutted. I will be coming down to visit Family one day before Xmas so will make sure its a race weekend.

[richban]

Ok So it goes. Now just need to make it stop. Will figure the kill switch later. Lots of little things to tidy up but its ridable now. Not raceable.

Need to borrow a 10mm fine thread tap. Got a little hot welding in the last bolt mount on the subframe.

More pics. Needs a paint.

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[Kendog]

Awesome work, can't wait to see it on the track.

[crazy man]

Cheers Scott. I am so into the whole process I am now itching to start my next bike. Was thinking of you when I welded up the sub-fame and then went to bolt it up and found it was rather a different shape than what I started with. Was still plenty hot so a couple of knocks with the hammer and letting it cool all bolted up. I can only imagine the jig you must have to build the frames. Total respect.even at the best of times they move . l try to weld as much as possable before removing of the gig which most the time is the engine because of been one off all the time. you only have to have the frame 1mm out and they dont fit.

[crazy man]

Each to his own? i er....guess.......
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At least the "wet patch" won't be an issue............so are you racing at mr bob ? then its worth it for me to go to get my chocky fish (-: lmao

[husaberg]

so are you racing at mr bob ? then its worth it for me to go to get my chocky fish (-: lmao

Gee might i need to buy some more then.
No the progress is real slow on Vanessa might pop over for a look though. I even hear there may be some ancient Harley look a like GN125 running there.
Even having Vanessa ready for the GM street racing is looking like it might not happen.:sweatdrop
Then again looking at Richs bike might give me some enthusiasm to give someone a gee up.
The chassis is only a couple of days work I have a list of parts to collect that's not too long, so who knows....

[crazy man]

Gee might i need to buy some more then.
No the progress is real slow on Vanessa might pop over for a look though. I even hear there may be some ancient Harley look a like GN125 running there.
Even having Vanessa ready for the GM street racing is looking like it might not happen.:sweatdropyou better get of here and get stuck in! l'm on number 3 bucket now but that will be it for awile. l just want to race and have fun now. what track is BOB at. l have no idea

[husaberg]

you better get of here and get stuck in! l'm on number 3 bucket now but that will be it for awile. l just want to race and have fun now. what track is BOB at. l have no idea

Ruapuna B circuit i understand.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Powerbuilt_Raceway_at_Ruapuna_Park_%28%27B_Circuit %27%29.svg/800px-Powerbuilt_Raceway_at_Ruapuna_Park_%28%27B_Circuit %27%29.svg.png


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[crazy man]

is it a 2 day meet or 1 and can you sleep at the track?

[timg]

is it a 2 day meet or 1 and can you sleep at the track? CAMS meeting on Saturday featuring the BOB. BEARS meeting on sunday . No camping at the track but I've got a spare bed 15 minutes from Ruapuna..... Cheers.

[Grumph]

Gee might i need to buy some more then.
No the progress is real slow on Vanessa might pop over for a look though. I even hear there may be some ancient Harley look a like GN125 running there.
Even having Vanessa ready for the GM street racing is looking like it might not happen.:sweatdrop
Then again looking at Richs bike might give me some enthusiasm to give someone a gee up.
The chassis is only a couple of days work I have a list of parts to collect that's not too long, so who knows....

Bloody hell, I could build a complete bucket between now and Greymouth....Vanessa is starting to remind me of the picture of Cook Neilson's HD Sporty drag bike published in Cycle mag when he was the editor....he took credit for the rear fender brace and wiring the kill switch...but it was "all his own work".....
Actually, depending on what gets dropped off here next week, I may really have to build a complete bucket.....

[kel]

its gana be a beast!!!
eh? :confused: - there is only one beast! (and it has a bite)
Looking good Rich

[husaberg]

Bloody hell, I could build a complete bucket between now and Greymouth....Vanessa is starting to remind me of the picture of Cook Neilson's HD Sporty drag bike published in Cycle mag when he was the editor....he took credit for the rear fender brace and wiring the kill switch...but it was "all his own work".....
Actually, depending on what gets dropped off here next week, I may really have to build a complete bucket.....

Meowlllllll.........Bloody hell.
Mrs Grumph must gave you a one hell of a dirty Look today Greg.:bleh:

Firstly i I resent that comparison to Mr Neilson because i don't spelk wull anough to be a edikor.

Problem i have is the engine is in Tauraunga.
Also remember these artistic engineering types work at there own pace
It Needs destroking, deboring and replating that takes time and $$$$$$$.

I am quite happy to get someone else to do the real intricate stuff for me.
while i can weld use a lathe and mill for basic stuff
I may also be an idiot, but i am an idiot who know his limits!!!!!
Remember the bits are from all over the world.Getting all the parts together has been bloody time consuming.
The build is starting not from a donor bike but well a base of zero (ok i had a few bits like Brake and disks levers etc already)

Besides if everyone could do it all themselves, i guess you would be out of a job:confused:

lastly if you were going to build a complete bucket between The BOB i will get you a 50kg of mild steel,an ingot of aluminum alloy, some copper plus a few KG of Rubber.
That will be a bike you completely build your self then won't it.:yes:

[Kickaha]

I may also be an idiot
I don't think there's any "may" about it

[husaberg]

I don't think there's any "may" about it

:laugh:MAY i inquire about the progress on the vintage cruiser.

[richban]

Ruapuna B circuit i understand.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Powerbuilt_Raceway_at_Ruapuna_Park_%28%27B_Circuit %27%29.svg/800px-Powerbuilt_Raceway_at_Ruapuna_Park_%28%27B_Circuit %27%29.svg.png


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Just noticed that my sponsor has the hairpin now. Will try not to crash there again. Man B track is some fast fun.

[richban]

Getting all the parts together has been bloody time consuming.
The build is starting not from a donor bike but well a base of zero


The trick is don't say nothing till you got lots of bits. All the bits came from different locations for mine. Frame Japan, Swing arm different guy Japan, front end and rear shock NZ. All the other bits I had in the shed ether on the floor or on the old 45. Back to the shed now got to make a new gear lever. I new that skill saw guide would come in handy one day.
She has gained some weight now complete. Need a lighter exhaust. Bike is 92kg now same weight as me. Lucky the quick engine is 2kg lighter and a new muffler should get it back in the 80's. Time to do my own MTB rear break conversion. Got all the bits, I just need the time.

[husaberg]

Just noticed that my sponsor has the hairpin now. Will try not to crash there again. Man B track is some fast fun.
I noticed as well.
Could you link your Vid from last time. i can't remember where it was.


The trick is don't say nothing till you got lots of bits. All the bits came from different locations for mine. Frame Japan, Swing arm different guy Japan, front end and rear shock NZ. All the other bits I had in the shed ether on the floor or on the old 45. Back to the shed now got to make a new gear lever. I new that skill saw guide would come in handy one day.
She has gained some weight now complete. Need a lighter exhaust. Bike is 92kg now same weight as me. Lucky the quick engine is 2kg lighter and a new muffler should get it back in the 80's. Time to do my own MTB rear break conversion. Got all the bits, I just need the time.

Yeah Greg is just winding me up to light my fire. Either that or one of the cats scratched him:shit:
But yeah I shouldn't have said anything until it was complete.

What sort of MTB is it cable? I was looking a a thumb throttle on an ATV today reversed around it would be an easy thumb brake.....
$12 on trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/handlebars/auction-505685455.htm
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[richban]

What sort of MTB is it cable?

Shimano do one But the avid is better. I don't actully use my rear break at all unless its raining. And then hardly at all.

New shfter all sorted.

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[husaberg]

Shimano do one But the avid is better. I don't actully use my rear break at all unless its raining. And then hardly at all.

New shfter all sorted.

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have you got a chain slider yet?

i wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the caliper set up.
My foot is clumsy with the brake.
but then again you have one of those Diesel exhaust brakes as well i guess.

[richban]

have you got a chain slider yet?

i wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the caliper set up.
My foot is clumsy with the brake.
but then again you have one of those Diesel exhaust brakes as well i guess.

Chain slider in the bin. Making a new one.

Caliper setup? At the moment it is RS250 style. MTB version coming later. Just google Avid cable disc breaks. The good thing about the cable is it will be easy to setup the foot controls.

[husaberg]

Sorry i thought you were do the Thumb set up

http://www.ecovelo.info/images/avid-bb-disc.jpg

[richban]

Sorry i thought you were do the Thumb set up

Nah I don't think that setup would be that good at all. To busy hanging on and using the clutch into corners to worry about thumb breaks. If you did do it hydraulic would be the go. Not enough leverage for a cable job. Ok for the foot though.

[richban]

Anyone got a clue as to where I can wire in my new kill switch. At the moment it is a go switch. Don't fancy holding the button down for the whole race.

Help help. I don't want to kill my CDI by accident.

[Henk]

Wire it from the signal wire that goes to the coil to earth. That should do the trick.

[fi5hy]

Anyone got a clue as to where I can wire in my new kill switch. At the moment it is a go switch. Don't fancy holding the button down for the whole race.

Help help. I don't want to kill my CDI by accident.

Go and buy an after market head light switch that switches the right way.

[richban]

Wire it from the signal wire that goes to the coil to earth. That should do the trick.

I had a suggestion to us the low voltage wire form the stator coil. Might try that first.

[richban]

I had a suggestion to us the low voltage wire form the stator coil. Might try that first.

Sorted. Spliced into the green wire from engine to CDI. And kill switch earthed to frame.

[Drew]

Never been a fan of shorting out the ignition myself.

If you run a battery, use a normally closed relay and you're away laughing as a power feed.

[richban]

Just picked up the swing arm from the water cutting dude's. They rule for sure. Matt was fixing the rear axel hangers as an unnamed person totally messed them up. No it was not me. Anyway now she will be bolted up proper and we are ready for a track visit. Can't wait to see how it all come together from hear. Still not sure if the spring rates are correct but will know soon enough. Also will need some dyno time with the new engine and carb. Will post another pic on Sunday.

[Bert]

Nice work Rich. Now really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh (now not in bits sitting over the shed)..



Where's the updates Rich; should be all together now...

[richban]

Well got the last piece of the puzzle today. Little inline fuel tap. I had to kill the original tap to harvest the nut. Then I spun up a straight little nipple for the line. With the NSR tap the fuel line hit the cylinder head, so all is happy now.

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Its pretty much race ready. Just need a couple of hose clips for the rear shock reservoir. Some paint. And a trip to the dyno. I am hoping to have it on the dyno late next week with the new engine in.

Also happy with the wiring now. Is all tidy and easy to get at.

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After setting the front and rear rider sag 30 / 20 the front end has quite a steep rake. 22.4 degrees. It feels nice puting around will be interesting to blast it on the track. Looks like final weight will be 92kg. I am quite sure I will get in into the 80's with a lighter muffler and maybe a dummy tank at some stage. But happy with that for now.



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[hmurphy]

Man I can't wait to see this thing at the track.

[Drew]

Are those sag figures with you on it? If so, what are the sags without you on it?

The important number is the difference between rider, and static sag.

[husaberg]

Are those sag figures with you on it? If so, what are the sags without you on it?

The important number is the difference between rider, and static sag.

The important number is the race wins column.:facepalm:

[F5 Dave]

I was thinking lookin' sharp. . .except the tail piece doesn't match. How bout you leave the tank & do the tail to match? Honda race bikes always look good. even if they are a little ghey, but its ok you've had your kids.

[Bert]

I was thinking lookin' sharp. . .except the tail piece doesn't match. How bout you leave the tank & do the tail to match? Honda race bikes always look good. even if they are a little ghey, but its ok you've had your kids.

That's because he is waiting for his slack a55 supplier to get a flash a55 new one for him:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

and he's not alone....

[Drew]

The important number is the race wins column.:facepalm:I wouldn't know.

[husaberg]

I wouldn't know.

Not very often i come first.:first:
unless i am racing my misses.:Oops:
Then i always come first. Talk about a cry baby. Now she a real sore loser and moody.:weep::angry2:

[Drew]

Not very often i come first.:first:
unless i am racing my misses.:Oops:
Then i always come first. Talk about a cry baby. Now she a real sore loser and moody.:weep::angry2:

Aye, and how much do they hate it when you throw your arms up and give a victory yell?

[husaberg]

Aye, and how much do they hate it when you throw your arms up and give a victory yell?

Imagine the reaction if ya suggested racing her sister:eek:

[Drew]

Imagine the reaction if ya suggested racing her sister:eek:I call that 'Rodeo style'. Suggest a sister race then hang on for eight seconds. ( I don't usually need the full eight seconds, but it's the standard goal time).

[husaberg]

I call that 'Rodeo style'. Suggest a sister race then hang on for eight seconds. ( I don't usually need the full eight seconds, but it's the standard goal time).

And Yet they always moan they want more family time.....Gee they can be hard to figure out sometimes.

[richban]

Carb issues were pissing me off. I could not get a read on what was happening. Main seamed fine but middle was not talking to me at all. Gave up and mounted the new muffler. What the what! All the jetting came good. So the old pipe and FCR were mismatched in some way. Anyway glad to have found that out now. So now running the monster quad bike Yoshi muffler. Way to heavy but will sort that later. But the good thing is it is 50mm straight through and quieter than it used to be. Big volume has helper and a little less cam overlap. Need track time so if anyone is able to help out with track testing drop me an email. Might just have to join up and get a key.

Opps instead of adding to the post I typed over it. Anyway sort story is New engine in, running and brutal. Running it in so has budget motul in it to clean out the engine. Also running an old clutch that is slipping madly. New oil and new clutch will go in before dyno. Now the carb is working the dyno time can be more for ignition setup. Need to raise the limiter to 13 and get some more advance to try keep the exhaust valve happy.

[Farmaken]

Oh crap, so it doesn`t just look fast ...

Guess our only hope is the clutch can`t cope and the power delivery makes it hard to ride fast :(

[Yow Ling]

Sounds flash Rich, look forward to seeing it in the flesh sometime

[richban]

and the power delivery makes it hard to ride fast :(

Must say I am a little worried about pugging in the pumper. When I had it hooked up the throttle was a total on off switch. Need to get the squirt down to one second. Standard for this carb was a 3 second squirt that would fire out of the front for about 3 feet.

[kel]

Opps instead of adding to the post I typed over it. Anyway sort story is New engine in, running and brutal.

No problem, read like an attempt at 4 stroke propaganda anyways :bleh:

[richban]

No problem, read like an attempt at 4 stroke propaganda anyways :bleh:

No need for propaganda buddy. They seem to sell well already. Its you blow up 2 stroke bandits that need a little PR boost. Any way heal up fast so I can smash you.

[richban]

Thought I would take some photos to get into the paint design. Will try mock something up soon.


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[Fozzzy]

Looks like a weapon!

[richban]

Looks like a weapon!

Getting there. She is getting fat. Must weight it again. After it is all up and racing I will put it on more of a diet. Already gone over every bolt and cut them short. Need to make a new airbox and fit a hugger.

[crazy man]

good work rich .be good to see you racing again

[koba]

[QUOTE=richban;1130402487]Thought I would take some photos to get into the paint design. Will try mock something up soon.


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Tailpiece is crooked...
:Pokey:

[richban]

[QUOTE=richban;1130402487]Thought I would take some photos to get into the paint design. Will try mock something up soon.


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Tailpiece is crooked...
:Pokey:


Not as bent as you. But yes it is acutely a little off. Will try harder next time.

[F5 Dave]

Thought I would take some photos to get into the paint design. Will try mock something up soon.

Think it looks fantastic now, except the tailpiece. Make the tail look like the tank.