Receives $715 a week on the DPB...

[wharekura]

How does one cope under this type of hardship: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/2685388/Furious-mum-rejects-bludger-tag

Regarding today's article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10827099

Now I'm feeling bad enough drinking my instant coffee during my lunch hour. I might pledge to give up my instant coffee and put that money towards more worthy causes as giving more to the poor and helping people like this afford to get out of Cambridge.

[Swoop]

Nice.
9.5k for a failed business as well?


Social safety net Vs comfy hammock.

[Maha]

I get more than that and Im not even pregnant.

[Bald Eagle]

Bugger I get less than that, I'm in the wrong job :-(

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[oneofsix]

Those articles raise some assuming questions.

Looks like Paula Bennett is either lying misleading us or needs to join a forum like this to learn how nasty people can get. Being as the refer to Paula by female titles and Paula has a feminine name I would have thought her school life would have taught her how nasty people can be unless she either went to a boys school or was the ring leader.

If your income comes from the public purse then how can it be considered private?

Lastly how come BE is so lowly paid when he is in IT? :lol: :Oops: that's not from the articles.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I hate it when people who are living on the charity of society complain about their lot instead of shutting the fuck up and being grateful for the assistance that they get. She's an ungrateful cunt.

[blue rider]

How does one cope under this type of hardship: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/2685388/Furious-mum-rejects-bludger-tag

Regarding today's article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10827099

Now I'm feeling bad enough drinking my instant coffee during my lunch hour. I might pledge to give up my instant coffee and put that money towards more worthy causes as giving more to the poor and helping people like this afford to get out of Cambridge.

this article is from 2009? what am I missing? it was clear that Mrs. Bennett did no wrong, privacy is overrated and outdated

and a question, how are benefits capped? this really i find intriguing, in germany we have something called Hartz4, if someone runs out of unemployment benefit Hartz 4 kicks in. However it is Public knowledge what one gets when on this type of benefit, and this applies also to spouses and children.

it seems that in NZ benefits are at the discretion of the social worker ?

[Road kill]

Hey leave her alone,she's probably a bisexual pot smoker.
So for the most part she's probably all good with most of you lot huh.

[mashman]

She's a cunt of the highest order... how dare she go on about privacy when the government she represents deny's all sorts of information under the OIA that is paid for by the public purse... she's almost as brainless as the fucktards who support her position.

[Bald Eagle]

I hate it when people who are living on the charity of society complain about their lot instead of shutting the fuck up and being grateful for the assistance that they get. She's an ungrateful cunt.

That's no way to talk about the Minister of Social Welfare..

[blue rider]

That's no way to talk about the Minister of Social Welfare..

Now Now thats not the same, Mrs Benett spent the money she received on the dole to better herself, the other single mothers are just well they are just others.

[Akzle]

...Mrs Benett spent the money she received on the dole to better herself, the other single mothers are just well they are just others.

politician > beneficiary????

doubtful.

politician's benefit > scummy mummy's benefit, though.

[FJRider]

I get more than that and Im not even pregnant.

I'm not getting that ... but if I get pregnant .. I'm sure I will get MORE than that.

[The Lone Rider]

I worked 5 years in my last job, before I was earning enough pay after tax to match what the government is giving that lady. And I had to pay child support out of that, for a kid I was helping to raise.

But I don't need to read that article to smell bullshit in the system. My kids mum is nearly 30, and until beginning of this year she has never had a job in her life (not even working full time now!). Why would she... popped out two bastard kids and ringed their dads and signed up as a student for even more coin.

It's a bit of a face palm to explain she has a better home, with a better car, better food in the fridge, and a bit of pocket money. More so when I then explain I'm progressing through a 3rd trade and have worked full time since before either kid was born.

If you say she's busy looking after the kids - that's bullshit. She plonked both kids in preschool (government pays for some of it!) and pleaded the need for some sanity to her friends to get them to take the kids out each week.

:facepalm:

On the upside, I have my bikes.

[Indiana_Jones]

What a fair system lol

-Indy

[Brett]

I'm confused (about many things...but one thing in particular at this present point in time)...how did she get $9.5k for a failed business? I think I need to start creating and failing businesses daily/weekly.

[ducatilover]

Tar the beneficiaries! :Punk:

I had a nice wee lapse of sanity last year and got allowed $150 a week from the gubbermint, which was far better than nothing I must say.
That sent all my savings out the window, and many plans.
I'm attempting to pool money to start a small business, yet some cum-bucket-baby-spitter is getting $565 more a week than I was? :facepalm: Great system, make the mad, unstable guy live on rice, give the other everything else.


I'll stop crying now <_<

[Akzle]

I'm confused (about many things...but one thing in particular at this present point in time)...how did she get $9.5k for a failed business? I think I need to start creating and failing businesses daily/weekly.

business start up grants/allowances and loans from teh govt.
not the kind of thing you walk in off the shelf and get. you need a business plan (no mean feat) etc and it needs to be approved. it was the MSD (ministry that handles winz) and something else. check out business.bovt.nz under "support"

particularly with the nats in.. they're all about jacking their business buddies off... business makes the world go round eh?

[Brett]

business start up grants/allowances and loans from teh govt.
not the kind of thing you walk in off the shelf and get. you need a business plan (no mean feat) etc and it needs to be approved. it was the MSD (ministry that handles winz) and something else. check out business.bovt.nz under "support"

particularly with the nats in.. they're all about jacking their business buddies off... business makes the world go round eh?

One of the business scheme grants would make sense...however the OP made it rather sound like a payment post failure.

[Oscar]

She's a cunt of the highest order... how dare she go on about privacy when the government she represents deny's all sorts of information under the OIA that is paid for by the public purse... she's almost as brainless as the fucktards who support her position.


And you're a stinking hypocrite.
The woman took her situation into the political arena - she was asking for study benefits to be reinstated after personally wasting a shitload of taxpayers money.
She deserved everything she got.

If a politician was operating that kind of double standard, you'd be into one of your stupid and incoherent rants about it.

If the government had granted further assistance to someone already earning that coin (and who had recieved, and wasted, nine and half grand for a failed business venture), you'd be the first to complain.

[mashman]

And you're a stinking hypocrite.
The woman took her situation into the political arena - she was asking for study benefits to be reinstated after personally wasting a shitload of taxpayers money.
She deserved everything she got.

If a politician was operating that kind of double standard, you'd be into one of your stupid and incoherent rants about it.

If the government had granted further assistance to someone already earning that coin (and who had recieved, and wasted, nine and half grand for a failed business venture), you'd be the first to complain.

She tried and failed at starting business or two, hardly a new thing. I'm surprised you see that as a waste?

What do you mean IF. They're only incoherent because you don't understand them... other people do :shit: thicko

bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaa... but I wasn't complaining and no I wouldn't complain about it, so you're wrong, again. Plenty of fucktards waste a million times that of the lady in question, of our money too, and I don't see you hopping up and down about that. Elitist Hypocrite :motu:

[blue rider]

Tar the beneficiaries! :Punk:

I had a nice wee lapse of sanity last year and got allowed $150 a week from the gubbermint, which was far better than nothing I must say.
That sent all my savings out the window, and many plans.
I'm attempting to pool money to start a small business, yet some cum-bucket-baby-spitter is getting $565 more a week than I was? :facepalm: Great system, make the mad, unstable guy live on rice, give the other everything else.


I'll stop crying now <_<

this is another $ amount that to me makes no sense, what for did you receive $ 150 - food , accommodation, living expenses ? What for?


how are benefits calculated in NZ? What is the basis for any monetary assistance, it seems to be arbitrary and up to the individual caseworker?
are there no puplic tables that show who can expect what in cases of a.unemployment i.e. x% of last wages after tax, dpb. i.e. x $ per child,
how is a accommodation benefit calculated, as i believe this might be a bigger benefit paid out by large, especially in Auckland where affordable rents have become something of an urban legend.

It seems to me that with just these anecdotes we are falling under the divide and conquer policy. And I do believe that benefits are needed, as people don't have any assurance of job stability, permanent good health, that maybe the desired child is born sick, and heavens forbid we get old, and really do we want to compete with our grand children for a MacDo job when we are 75.

But i would appreciate transparency on account of the Government (any shade of colour) as to how benefits are calculated, adjusted for inflation, taxed (if applicable) and paid out.

[Oscar]

She tried and failed at starting business or two, hardly a new thing. I'm surprised you see that as a waste?

What do you mean IF. They're only incoherent because you don't understand them... other people do :shit: thicko

bwaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaa... but I wasn't complaining and no I wouldn't complain about it, so you're wrong, again. Plenty of fucktards waste a million times that of the lady in question, of our money too, and I don't see you hopping up and down about that. Elitist Hypocrite :motu:

The waste I see is the taxpayers money being used to provide a lifestyle and career for this serial loser.

"They're only incoherent because you don't understand them..." I love that - you post garbage and it's my fault if I can't decipher your fetid ravings. tells us again about how you wanna abolish money:lol:

[mashman]

The waste I see is the taxpayers money being used to provide a lifestyle and career for this serial loser.

"They're only incoherent because you don't understand them..." I love that - you post garbage and it's my fault if I can't decipher your fetid ravings. tells us again about how you wanna abolish money:lol:

baaaaaaaaa

[Oscar]

baaaaaaaaa

Is that all you've got?
You call me an elitist thicko and then a sheep.

I am neither.

It's just that your level of discourse automatically makes anyone you're arguing with look incredibly smart.

[mashman]

Is that all you've got?
You call me an elitist thicko and then a sheep.

I am neither.

It's just that your level of discourse automatically makes anyone you're arguing with look incredibly smart.

baaaaaaaaaa

[Oscar]

baaaaaaaaaa

Feel free to add this to your sig line:


It's just that your level of discourse automatically makes anyone you're arguing with look incredibly smart.

[ducatilover]

this is another $ amount that to me makes no sense, what for did you receive $ 150 - food , accommodation, living expenses ? What for?




It was for everything:
Food
Rent/board
Living expenses
"trasnport"
My mental health recovery...(that didn't happen, funny that)
Mental rehabilitation and phych visits

Needless to say, it was not enough.

[blue rider]

It was for everything:
Food
Rent/board
Living expenses
"trasnport"
My mental health recovery...(that didn't happen, funny that)
Mental rehabilitation and phych visits

Needless to say, it was not enough.

how was this calculated...what was the basis for this amount. obviously it is not enough, so how did they came up with the number.

that's what i would like to know. How is a benefit calculated. And once this question is answered and the numbers and tables made available to all, stories of the lazy people making millions on benefits should stop, because everyone will know what to expect when applying for a benefit.

[ducatilover]

how was this calculated...what was the basis for this amount. obviously it is not enough, so how did they came up with the number.

that's what i would like to know. How is a benefit calculated. And once this question is answered and the numbers and tables made available to all, stories of the lazy people making millions on benefits should stop, because everyone will know what to expect when applying for a benefit.

Dart board of numbers? Or less money for the more needy in the hopes that they will top themselves?

I know they factor in mortgages, kids, medical expenses (maybe you have to apply for these? I did)
And the weekly living allowance vaies from area to area (I think) so an Auckland resident will get more than an Apiti resident, in theory.

It's all on the piss if you ask me, I was a high risk person (even got that in writing :D ) for doing something stupid
(suicide or something else entirely silly), was paying rent, attempting to eat (fortunately my mind set made that cheap) and play with bikes (seems therapeutic for me) and I got less than a younger person living at home

I don't get it.

[Oblivion]

Before tax, working a 40 hour week at minimum wage is 540$.

Why in the right mind is she getting almost 200$ more than a person that works a 40 hour week at minimum wage. Oh yea, I remember now, too many :tugger:

Just to earn that kind of $, one would have to work 8 hour days for pretty much the entire week. When will people learn, if you can't afford kids don't fucking have them.

/end rant

[mashman]

Feel free to add this to your sig line:

baaaaaaaaa

[blue rider]

Dart board of numbers? Or less money for the more needy in the hopes that they will top themselves?

I know they factor in mortgages, kids, medical expenses (maybe you have to apply for these? I did)
And the weekly living allowance vaies from area to area (I think) so an Auckland resident will get more than an Apiti resident, in theory.

It's all on the piss if you ask me, I was a high risk person (even got that in writing :D ) for doing something stupid
(suicide or something else entirely silly), was paying rent, attempting to eat (fortunately my mind set made that cheap) and play with bikes (seems therapeutic for me) and I got less than a younger person living at home

I don't get it.

believe me I don't get it either. They wanted you to move back in with your parents?

but this shows where the reform needs to come from. Clear and understandable limits need to be set as to what one can expect in the various moments one needs to apply for benefts. And these limits need to be available to everyone. No arbitrary judging by some caseworker who rarely sees the light of day.

[FJRider]

Just to earn that kind of $, one would have to work 8 hour days for pretty much the entire week. When will people learn, if you can't afford kids don't fucking have them.

/end rant

The issue is not that if she can (or cant) afford them ... it's whether or not we can afford the kids she (and others like her) can have. She has them, we pay for them.

[Akzle]

this is another $ amount that to me makes no sense, what for did you receive $ 150 - food , accommodation, living expenses ? What for?...

...Clear and understandable limits need to be set as to what one can expect in the various moments one needs to apply for benefts. And these limits need to be available to everyone. No arbitrary judging by some caseworker who rarely sees the light of day.
there is no arbitrary judgement.
being unemployed pays 180$/week
accomodation allowances are available, as mashy said, depends where you live. downtown auckland about 140$, out manukau heads, about 30$/ week. you can receive this allowance even if you're not "on a benny" - low income, rent too expensive etc
"food cards" can be loaded with 100 odd $ up to four times a year, then you fill out some other paperwork and get onto a "high-needs" programme, which buys your groceries (and booze, smokes etc) every week.

being a fucking mattress, i think it's 360 for the first kid (plus whatever other allowances) then 110 per kid after that.

go to the WINZ website and do one of their "what's my entitlement" quizzes.

basically, if you have a penis, you're unlikely to get much out of the ministry of "social development" :killingme.

[ducatilover]

basically, if you have a penis, you're unlikely to get much out of the ministry of "social development" :killingme.

That explains why I was struggling to get support.
I should be more of a cunt then?

[blue rider]

there is no arbitrary judgement.
being unemployed pays 180$/week
accomodation allowances are available, as mashy said, depends where you live. downtown auckland about 140$, out manukau heads, about 30$/ week. you can receive this allowance even if you're not "on a benny" - low income, rent too expensive etc
"food cards" can be loaded with 100 odd $ up to four times a year, then you fill out some other paperwork and get onto a "high-needs" programme, which buys your groceries (and booze, smokes etc) every week.

being a fucking mattress, i think it's 360 for the first kid (plus whatever other allowances) then 110 per kid after that.

go to the WINZ website and do one of their "what's my entitlement" quizzes.

basically, if you have a penis, you're unlikely to get much out of the ministry of "social development" :killingme.

so it is arbitrary, there is no way anyone living unemployed in auckland can live of 180$ (or anywhere else in NZ). the housing benefit makes no sense eiher as it should depend on income/rent ratio not the area one lives.

as for the mattress, are you speaking only of single mothers never married, or single mothers divorced or single mothers never married but alas not in a relationship any more? Just curious. And does the allowance for kids take child support into account? and what about the married mattrasses that get the family something or other tax benefit.....it seems childless, working females don't have much luck with the msd either. :innocent:

[Akzle]

so it is arbitrary, there is no way anyone living unemployed in auckland can live of 180$ (or anywhere else in NZ). the housing benefit makes no sense eiher as it should depend on income/rent ratio not the area one lives.

as for the mattress, are you speaking only of single mothers never married, or single mothers divorced or single mothers never married but alas not in a relationship any more? Just curious. And does the allowance for kids take child support into account? and what about the married mattrasses that get the family something or other tax benefit.....it seems childless, working females don't have much luck with the msd either. :innocent:

1) yes it's very fucking difficult to live on 180$/week.
2) ever wondered about the crime rate? why these people might feel the need to steal radios, sell drugs?
3)no. any mothers. if they go to WINZ for a handout, they get a handout.
4) child support is demanded by the ministry of "justice" it is completely separate to any "benefits" she's "entitled" to. (and really, just to punish you for having a penis)
5) the "working for families" tax credits can apply to men and women, but more likely women (blame shipley or clarke or that new fat bitch... paula benefit)

6) don't like it?
don't forget to vote.

[TINA RAY]

How does one cope under this type of hardship: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/2685388/Furious-mum-rejects-bludger-tag

Regarding today's article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10827099

Now I'm feeling bad enough drinking my instant coffee during my lunch hour. I might pledge to give up my instant coffee and put that money towards more worthy causes as giving more to the poor and helping people like this afford to get out of Cambridge.





DON'T pay your Rego as a protest.

[Swoop]

Why in the right mind is she getting almost 200$ more than a person that works a 40 hour week at minimum wage.
The taxpayer has to support the labour voters somehow.

[SPman]

I hate it when people who are living on the charity of society complain about their lot instead of shutting the fuck up and being grateful for the assistance that they get. She's an ungrateful cunt.
Who..........fat Paula!

[SPman]

And you're a stinking hypocrite.
The woman took her situation into the political arena - she was asking for study benefits to be reinstated after personally wasting a shitload of taxpayers money.
She deserved everything she got.

You mean the same Study grants Paula used to "better herself", and was then instrumental in getting abolished..........good enough for her, but fuck everyone else. Sorta sums up the attitude of this mob in charge......