I'm not sure I like 'plate reading technology'

[cave weta]

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-technology-helps-police-catch-car-criminals-5029202

In Britain, the gas stations have this and if you turn up in an unregistered car you are automatically fined through the post.
They say that is not how it will be used but personally- I see an untapped revenue stream here.......


Welcome to the New World Order..

[bogan]

Quick release number plates, pretty sure those systems won't be able to tell whether its on the 'right' bike, or that L300 plates don't belong on a Honda Bros :shifty:

[schrodingers cat]

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

[pzkpfw]

I'm in two minds.

On the one hand, yeah, just keep your vehicle legal (fully paid-up), and there's no problem for you.

But, such systems take away the kind of "fudge factor" that we expect as humans, not computers.

e.g. If your vehicle rego ran out and you're on your way to the (whereever) to buy a new label, I'm not too bothered by your brief moment of (gasp) illegal behaviour.

(Yes, yes, buy on-line...)

I would hope any automated system had some built-in handling for fudge. e.g. how long rego has been lapsed (2 months? one day?) and how often the vehicle has been spotted (1st time? 7 times this week?).



I'm more worried about average speed cameras. Snap you here. Snap you there. Calculate you must have been naughty in-between and send a speeding ticket. Yikes.

[bogan]

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

So you're assuming no rego means an uninsured, unsafe vehicle? and no contribution to ACC? I can go along with the later, as at least some of those would be the owners only vehicle. But unsafe? fuck off, just because unsafe vehicles wouldn't get a wof, it doesn't mean any vehicle without one is unsafe, and no rego doesn't mean no wof anyway; I keep my bike wof'd so I'll only get half the non-compliance fine.

I guess if your opinion is shared by the sheeple then there will be a market for quick change plates. Personally, I'd prefer it stay about safety instead of revenue.

[pzkpfw]

Reading another "bike stolen" thread, I do wonder if maybe a Police ability to know what vehicles were where at what time and where they went might be good.


(Big Brother? Again, two minds.)

[bogan]

Reading another "bike stolen" thread, I do wonder if maybe a Police ability to know what vehicles were where at what time and where they went might be good.


(Big Brother? Again, two minds.)

Problem with that is the thieves will wise up pretty quick, and either remove the plates or swap them for some off another vehicle. Then all it is doing is recording the movements of the law abiding.

I think if it stays how they say they are doing it at the moment, with only vehicles of interest; stolen, people with warrant for arrest etc, it would be fine. Mind you, they had somebody on there who got done for no wof/rego, so maybe they are already telling porkies.

[SMOKEU]

Walked around the block near work with the dogs yesterday.
Started to notice rego's as we walked past.
Saw a lot of vehicles with expired rego and therefore prolly no WOF. Usually older cars but not always

So no contribution to roading/acc
No guarantee of minimum safety standards
No insurance

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

Having a current WOF does not mean that the vehicle is safe, or that it's going to be driven safely. I see plenty of vehicles which are legal, yet the driver is too busy using their phone or playing with the stereo to drive properly.

[oldrider]

Personally, I'd prefer it stay about safety instead of (ACC) revenue.

Getting a new warrant as soon as, so that I can re register my bike and ride it again legally ... can't do one without the other apparently!

This highway robbery has gotten quite out of hand these days, creating criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens FFS! :facepalm:

[pzkpfw]

Problem with that is the thieves will wise up pretty quick, and either remove the plates or swap them for some off another vehicle. Then all it is doing is recording the movements of the law abiding.

True. Firearm licensing is like that. Honest folk jump through hoops. Crims just get the weapon and don't care.

[mashman]

I wonder if they have "shape" recognition software onboard too... kinda pointless without it as bogan points out, just change/remove the plates.

[oldrider]

True. Firearm licensing is like that. Honest folk jump through hoops. Crims just get the weapon and don't care.

True of any form of licensing ... this country is a criminals paradise! :facepalm:

[wharekura]

Just pay your rego on time then there is no problem regarding getting caught out and paying a fine.

When the renters next door decide to have a loud party next door, I go outside early next morning and find any cars parked on grass verge or expired regos/wofs. I then call the council that happily give out tickets - they can be very obliging on saturday/sunday mornings.

I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.

[pzkpfw]

Just pay your rego on time then there is no problem regarding getting caught out and paying a fine.

When the renters next door decide to have a loud party next door, I go outside early next morning and find any cars parked on grass verge or expired regos/wofs. I then call the council that happily give out tickets - they can be very obliging on saturday/sunday mornings.

I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.

I get what you are saying. I even sympathise. Used to have unemployed bogans across the road from me. All good that they could have a loud party at 2 a.m. Tuesday morning, but I had to go to work in a few hours.

But... given it wasn't the state of the cars themselves that was causing the problem here (the car with expired WOF wasn't itself the source of the loud noise), your actions were more about revenge.

You "used" the law; but not in a way that is relevant.

(The parking on the grass verge thing is more an issue to deal with.)

[Maha]

Scenario...
Your car/bike gets stolen...this plate reading technology has it police hands within hours...would that be acceptable?

[Laava]

The BP stations have had plate reading tech for a while now but not sure if it is every station or just a trial run. It was specifically to stop drive offs from previous offenders. The pumps shut down automatically so I was told by the operators at BP Riverside.

[oldrider]

Scenario...
Your car/bike gets stolen...this plate reading technology has it police hands within hours...would that be acceptable?

Yes!!! ... If only these things worked like that .... but :cry: usually works in favour of criminals here! (well it seems that way anyway)

[duckonin]

Scenario...
Your car/bike gets stolen...this plate reading technology has it police hands within hours...would that be acceptable?


:innocent: Do you actually believe what you wrote ?:gob:

[Maha]

Yes!!! ... If only these things worked like that .... but :cry: usually works in favour of criminals here! (well it seems that way anyway)

So...this new plate reading technology has the real possiblilty of turning that tide?


:innocent: Do you actually believe what you wrote ?:gob:

Ok ...within a day or two...point was (incase you missed it) that there are pros and cons with almost every new bit of technology introduced.
Not eveyone will see the true potential/benefits. Living in a negative world is by choice.
Like I said earlier...nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[Laava]

The sad part is that all the tax and ratepayers will be the ones who will pay for the setup costs for this in the long run while the dodgers will keep dodging.
Bit like the ignition disablers in drunk peoples cars. I actually resent having my hard earned tax dollars spent like this. Drunks are smart enough to just sell their shitbox car and get another one.

[GrayWolf]

The sad part is that all the tax and ratepayers will be the ones who will pay for the setup costs for this in the long run while the dodgers will keep dodging.
Bit like the ignition disablers in drunk peoples cars. I actually resent having my hard earned tax dollars spent like this. Drunks are smart enough to just sell their shitbox car and get another one.

Guess it comes down to, pay your Rego, Get a WOF, don't try to drive pissed..........
where's the problem?

[caseye]

The problem lies in the eventual and completely predictable misuse of these very smart pieces of equipment.
It's OK, now while all they do is filter known baddy cars from the rest.
What happens when Farmers want to know which other shops Joe blogs goes to and pays for the information that this sort of camera makes available?
How far down this track do we go with any of this sort of technology before our every move is monitored and our so called personal life is able to be exposed for the benefit of any and everyone who wants to know?
It's a to edged sword, catch criminals! Fine go for it.
Be able at the push of a button to determine that Joe Blogs left Ekatahuna at 2pm and arrived in Tirau at 6pm heres your ticket! regardless of the fact that no one was injured, upset or otherwise deprived, but you see OUR CAMERA doesn't lie, he was speeding and now he's a criminal. Good Idea???
State given more control is never a good thing, we already want ( op's sorry, most unemployed dole bludging drug using hippies) the govt to run their lives for them, I damn well don't.
Do You?

[Laava]

Guess it comes down to, pay your Rego, Get a WOF, don't try to drive pissed..........
where's the problem?

I don't have a problem with that at all. But I am sick of subsidising those that don't, such as the intended many that may require ignition immobilisers fitted. You can be sure that they won't be the ones paying for it. As usual.

[p.dath]

I'm happy for it to be rolled out. Just another tool like lasers/speed cameras, etc.

There will always be some abuse of any system - with or without tools.

[george formby]

How the cameras are doing in the UK......

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/may/17/automatic-numberplate-recognition-cameras-anpr)

[Akzle]

A vehicle is not a right. There are responsibilities. Otherwise take the bus

Life has fewer concerns if you don't behave like a cock

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?

nothing to do with behaving the cock. who the hell has the right to dictate what i'm doing, if it's not harming anyone else?



I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.
that's pretty vengeful. i maintain your attitude would not be welcome on any marae.

The problem lies in the eventual and completely predictable misuse of these very smart pieces of equipment
.... State given more control is never a good thing, we already want ( op's sorry, most unemployed dole bludging drug using hippies) the govt to run their lives for them, I damn well don't.
Do You?
what about employed drug using hippies?

[schrodingers cat]

So you're assuming no rego means an uninsured, unsafe vehicle? and no contribution to ACC? I can go along with the later, as at least some of those would be the owners only vehicle. But unsafe? fuck off, just because unsafe vehicles wouldn't get a wof, it doesn't mean any vehicle without one is unsafe, and no rego doesn't mean no wof anyway; I keep my bike wof'd so I'll only get half the non-compliance fine.

I guess if your opinion is shared by the sheeple then there will be a market for quick change plates. Personally, I'd prefer it stay about safety instead of revenue.


Having a current WOF does not mean that the vehicle is safe, or that it's going to be driven safely. I see plenty of vehicles which are legal, yet the driver is too busy using their phone or playing with the stereo to drive properly.

Read again very carefully. The statement I made was 'No guarentee of MINIMUM safety standards' which is the purpose of WOF checks

Good luck with keeping that WOF current.

No judgement was passed on driving ability or standards.

Nice to hear from you two rebels tho. Keep 'sticking it to the man'
REspec

[schrodingers cat]

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?



Have you finished trying to be the voice of reason and retaken your stance as 'outside of OUR society' blah blah. Fucking hypocrite.

Wants the benefits. Too selfish to accept we're all in this together.

[Akzle]

Have you finished trying to be the voice of reason and retaken your stance as 'outside of OUR society' blah blah. Fucking hypocrite.

Wants the benefits. Too selfish to accept we're all in this together.

me? reasonable? when ever!?

what benefits?

i accept that we're all in it together. difference is that when the mothership comes back: you're fucked.

[p.dath]

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?


Well, you can seperate with your cash to buy most things, so yes, you can buy a vehicle, but that is not so much a right. You just have to find someone willing to sell you the vehicle for what you are prepared to pay for it.

You then have a right to use that vehicle on your private land, or anyone else's private land that has given you consent.

However what is not a right is to then use that vehicle on a public road. The laws governing the process to use a vehicle on a public road were created long ago, and kept mostly intact by Government after Government - as per the wishes of the people that have been represented over this extended period of time. Now not everyone may share the exact same sentiments, but because of the extend peiod of time the general principle of the legilsation has been intact you have to assume that the generations of people it has served have been mostly happy.

[mossy1200]

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?

nothing to do with behaving the cock. who the hell has the right to dictate what i'm doing, if it's not harming anyone else?





You still have options

1 = Pay rego and warrent and go for the legal option.

2 = Dont pay and go for the complain if I get caught option.

3 = Buy a large portion of New Zealand and build your own roads to get you around that you can invite all your mate to use also.

I cant see what your problem is anymore.

[bogan]

Read again very carefully. The statement I made was 'No guarentee of MINIMUM safety standards' which is the purpose of WOF checks

Good luck with keeping that WOF current.

No judgement was passed on driving ability or standards.

Nice to hear from you two rebels tho. Keep 'sticking it to the man'
REspec

A WOF is no guarantee of MINIMUM safety standards either, you'd need some much more advanced cameras to determine how safe a vehicle is.
In fact, if all the police are busy fining for non-compliance using ANPR, will the number of officers on the lookout for dangerous drivers and dangerous cars decrease? Or will they employ more cops? You have to remember that the ANPR will only increase road safety if there is a heavy police presence present; otherwise all they can do is mail out fines (if the crims are kind enough to use their own plates). But I guess the sheeple are easily swayed towards the simple, narrow, viewpoint.

[Akzle]

...However what is not a right is to then use that vehicle on a public road. The laws governing the process to use a vehicle on a public road were created long ago, and kept mostly intact by Government after Government - as per the wishes of the people that have been represented over this extended period of time. Now not everyone may share the exact same sentiments, but because of the extend peiod of time the general principle of the legilsation has been intact you have to assume that the generations of people it has served have been mostly happy.


cool story. but. if i'm public, that road is mine, and i can decide for myself?

i know the legislation. but i don't reckon i'm part of it, being that i've read it. and it states, reasonably clearly, that i'm not part of it.
so.......

[Road kill]

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?

nothing to do with behaving the cock. who the hell has the right to dictate what i'm doing, if it's not harming anyone else?


that's pretty vengeful. i maintain your attitude would not be welcome on any marae.

what about employed drug using hippies?


On our Maraes,Wharekura's little trick would be considered funny as all hell.
It's always funny when it happens to somebody else.
Plus, revenge is still thought very cool with my lot as well.

[schrodingers cat]

A WOF is no guarantee of MINIMUM safety standards either.

Help a poor sheeple out then. What is a WOF?

[mashman]

Help a poor sheeple out then. What is a WOF?

An O short of a sheeple dog?

[bogan]

Help a poor sheeple out then. What is a WOF?

Stands for warrant of fitness, which means the vehicle is judged fit for roads at a specific time, by people who look at the vehicle with a checklist for around 15minutes. Its an easily sell to convince the sheeple that ticking the boxes once every 6 months means safety for the time in between. Unfortunately with boy-racers swapping bits to get wofs, and people fucking their cars up in the 6 months between wofs, it simply isn't the case. But we're getting sidetracked, how about responding to the other (and more relevant to thread topic) part of my previous post.

[scumdog]

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-technology-helps-police-catch-car-criminals-5029202

In Britain, the gas stations have this and if you turn up in an unregistered car you are automatically fined through the post.
They say that is not how it will be used but personally- I see an untapped revenue stream here.......


Welcome to the New World Order..

Me?
I'm breaking out my best tin-foil hat toot-sweet.

[scumdog]

You still have options

1 = Pay rego and warrent and go for the legal option.

2 = Dont pay and go for the complain if I get caught option.

3 = Buy a large portion of New Zealand and build your own roads to get you around that you can invite all your mate to use also.

I cant see what your problem is anymore.

The correct answer for all Akzles of New Zealand.

[scumdog]

oh shit. a vehicle isn't a right?
well.. who gets to decide who can own a vehicle, please, do tell. who do i have to beg to get my responsibility-laden "priviledge" to own a vehicle?

nothing to do with behaving the cock. who the hell has the right to dictate what i'm doing, if it's not harming anyone else?


that's pretty vengeful. i maintain your attitude would not be welcome on any marae.

what about employed drug using hippies?



Akzle.

As predictable as the dawn

But for some a bit less welcome...:shifty:

[Akzle]

bit weak there scumpuppy.

better luck next time. (you could top n tail with Figgy Jam...)

[FJRider]

The correct answer for all Akzles of New Zealand.

Thats not the correct answer ... "For all Akzle's of New Zealand" ... I was thinking of ... :devil2:

[GrayWolf]

I don't have a problem with that at all. But I am sick of subsidising those that don't, such as the intended many that may require ignition immobilisers fitted. You can be sure that they won't be the ones paying for it. As usual.

Yes you're right, they likely wont be the ones funding it... But if it keeps the fuckwits from driving and potentially killing or maiming for life? Then I would rather pay the cost (Govt) of fitting the immobiliser.

[Hans]

Just pay your rego on time then there is no problem regarding getting caught out and paying a fine.

When the renters next door decide to have a loud party next door, I go outside early next morning and find any cars parked on grass verge or expired regos/wofs. I then call the council that happily give out tickets - they can be very obliging on saturday/sunday mornings.

I've talked to the neighbors, pleaded with them, then warned them - nothing worked. So I used the law.

Fuck, you're a low cowardly piece of work, aren't you?

[Road kill]

Fuck, you're a low cowardly piece of work, aren't you?

Bit close to home for ya' mate.

Make you feel a little unsafe huh.

That's the very point.

Enjoy.

[cave weta]

As I see it -its the thin end of the wedge as usual....

British are not happy with the NWO big brother, 1984 approach.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/may/17/automatic-numberplate-recognition-cameras-anpr

[george formby]

See post #25.. but yeah, na, yeah cameras like these & others have been prevalent in the UK for a long time. I think in that article it says 4 million cameras.. could be wrong, not going to read it again, not just the Police of course, councils, private companies & I guess home security too are included. The article touches on how the cameras have been used outside of their remit by the Police & public access to the information/video. There is a lot of other stuff relating to misuse of the information.
As peoples are saying, they are only as good as the end user & targeting agenda. The effectiveness of the cameras has dropped in a very short time as people who feel the need avoid camera locations.

Will the NZ public have access to fixed camera locations as they do in the uk? Do we already (no twatnav here)? Do the police restrictions allow the use of information to control civil movement such as protests, demonstrations, toy runs etc?

Quite scary really, limited effect on the those who are the primary target, they will just avoid the cameras & a pain in the butt for those who forget to rego their vehicle on time.

[FJRider]

I'm just waiting for them to use these cameras to replace the one's placed at traffic lights. Not only then get a ticket for running a red ... but possibly no WoF or Rego. Wanted/stolen vehicles could also be flagged in the system ...

[Akzle]

See post #25.. but yeah, na, yeah cameras like these & others have been prevalent in the UK for a long time.

... the UK police have plate reading technology in their cars. tey cruise around and if anyone's plate comes up as "un rego" "no insurance" etc -
BAM! revenue.

[george formby]

... the UK police have plate reading technology in their cars. tey cruise around and if anyone's plate comes up as "un rego" "no insurance" etc -
BAM! revenue.

Yup, last time I was up over I was astonished at the number of cameras. The road from Berwick to Edinburgh, about an hours drive, had 81 speed cameras on it. This went up to 117. I guess very few would have been operational but they succeed in making you very paranoid. I also had to do a 40mph stint on the motorway when I twigged how average speed cameras work too.
The police in the UK use private companies for mobile cameras in some counties, not sure if they use these cameras but I suspect so & they have a similar mentality to Auckland towies, they earn on results & the press is littered with incidents of people being unjustly fined.

[FJRider]

... the UK police have plate reading technology in their cars. tey cruise around and if anyone's plate comes up as "un rego" "no insurance" etc -
BAM! revenue.

NZ police have plate reading technology in their cars NOW, they can even tell when plate numbers dont match to the vehicles the plates they're fitted to.

All the necessary software is carried under their HATS ...