The length of time some HD's sit on Trade Me [Archive]

The Lone Rider

23rd August 2012, 09:50

Well no they wouldnt be in a hurry.

Look at the average income and age of their owners.

Then the high numbers of their owners who get them out on a sunny weekend only.

My conclusion is that they are expensive toys that are either surplus to a newer toy, or a toy that's not longer a novelty.

But as for the price... maybe it isn't the price? I suspect some of it will have to do with buying someone elses idea of a custom. Unless you're prepared to pay 1/4 of the bikes price on top, to make it your own, you really need to find one to your liking.

Then there are the Harleys that will sit because the amount of money spent on them far surpass marketable value. This also ties in with the above speculation of mine.

Kiwi Graham

23rd August 2012, 10:01

The Lone Rider

23rd August 2012, 11:11

Sold mine the day it went on TM.

Needed funds for racing so worked out what I needed and what I thought the bike was worth put a buy now on and a lower start price and gone burger. The guy flew up from Nelson to pick it up. It was a few years ago though.
It was a Springer softail in Chopper Blue :bye:

Yeah but you might have valued it reasonably, or on the off chance someone fishing TM for months saw it, and knew it was the one he'd been fishing for.

unstuck

23rd August 2012, 11:13

My neighbor was trying to sell his for a year or more, and ended up swapping it for a jetski. Now that sits in the shed all year instead.:facepalm:

jellywrestler

23rd August 2012, 11:14

shut up, they're there so they can tell the bros they've still go there harley and the wives that they're trying to sell them but can't.
Besides since the RENA went aground scrap metal is a bit over supplied in NZ maybe that's why?

EJK

23rd August 2012, 11:23

How about this?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-282981017.htm

I swear I've been seeing this bike on Trademe for over 5 years now.

Paul in NZ

23rd August 2012, 12:07

This bikes become an old friend...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-506099983.htm

unstuck

23rd August 2012, 12:24

This bikes become an old friend...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-506099983.htm

Cant be that collectible aye.:Punk:

Paul in NZ

23rd August 2012, 12:29

Cant be that collectible aye.:Punk:

It must be highly collectable... He seems very determined to hang onto it in his collection....

waspnz

23rd August 2012, 17:17

Correct, it isn't just Harley's. There are a number of bikes that have collected moss and cobwebs sitting on TM. I sold my last bike in 3 days when it was listed last year. I believe there is a sweet spot around the 15k - 16k level for HD's that get's people very interested. I guess I'm surprised so see some of there for so long given the strain on so many in this economy.

JimO

23rd August 2012, 17:41

I guess I'm surprised so see some of there for so long given the strain on so many in this economy.

the people with money always have money no matter what the economy is doing, i have just done a job where people spent 80k on kitchen

Road kill

23rd August 2012, 17:51

My first one sold in two weeks,,because it was simply worth what I was asking and had only had the standard HD tax on board.

The second one sold in one week because as the buyer said "it hadn't been fucked with" as in it was standard other than the pipes that still looked standard anyway.

Looking to buy another one I'd only buy very close to stock or brand new.

Plus what TLR say's,,,if your going to spend that sort of coin,why buy somebody else idea of what a bike should be.

And I f'ing hate forward controls too.

scumdog

23rd August 2012, 19:26

I'm stunned at the length of time a number of Harley's spend sitting on trade me. Not months, but in some cases YEARS. It seems to me that many owners are just not realistic about meeting the market. Obviously these sellers aren't in a hurry :eek5:.

Is it ONLY HD's??:shifty:

scumdog

23rd August 2012, 19:27

And I f'ing hate forward controls too.

Likewise, won't see them on MY bikes...

mossy1200

23rd August 2012, 19:35

Also our dollar is better than a few years ago and new Harleys are more affordable. Combine this with people trying to sell their bike at a figure to close to new price at todays dollar and also the average Harley owner who can afford 25k plus can afford 35k plus for a new one.

James Deuce

23rd August 2012, 19:42

IMO it is the same with EVERY bike on TM. When I've been trying to sell bikes I've been stunned at what people are expecting to get for their reasonably late model, but nonetheless 2nd-hand motorcycles.

A quick rule of thumb:

Your bike loses 20% of it's purchase value the moment you roll it over the threshold of the bike shop.

It loses 10% there on, per year.

Then it will stabilise for 5 years.

Thus a $10,000 bike is worth $8,000 the moment you buy it and after 5 years is worth $4723.92 at best. Any stuff you add to it is WORTH NOTHING. The Ohlins shock, the pack rack, the tank protector, AND the Renthal bars. The anodised bolts and bar ends probably reduce the value and consumables like tyres and chains will make your bike more saleable IF they are brand new, but you can't add how much it cost you to put them on the bike to the sale price BECAUSE YOU WORE THEM OUT. YOUR PROBLEM.

I saw my old 1125CR on TM for $10k after it had been bodged and re-registered. It was a mess. I can't believe someone bought it. Likewise I saw the Z750 on TM after it had been written off by the owner after me, on TM for $7,500 with more than 40,000kms on it. It didn't sell. It was worth $4,500 MAX.

One way to make motorcycling in NZ more attractive would be to stimulate it by selling 2nd-hand motorcycles at reasonable prices not the over-inflated bollocks the dealer and private market foist on us. Looking at UK and US 2nd-hand prices just about makes me cry.

neels

23rd August 2012, 20:14

In the end the market will decide.

shut up, they're there so they can tell the bros they've still go there harley and the wives that they're trying to sell them but can't.
True that, I bought a car many years ago with the worlds smallest for sale sign on it hiding down a back street. The wife was happy that it finally sold, and the guy who had owned it for 13 years was a sad sight, particularly when his beached whale of a wife took the cash and stuffed it in her handbag.

YellowDog

23rd August 2012, 20:22

This bikes become an old friend...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-506099983.htm

I realise that some prefer old bikes, particularly some of the big named classics.

Personally, I'd always rather buy the newer and more reliable technology. I could not ever justify the cost of paying 'new bike money' for an old bike :no:

James Deuce

23rd August 2012, 20:30

In the end the market will decide.

Yes, but it's full of idiots. Hence the current state of the world.

Road kill

23rd August 2012, 20:36

I realise that some prefer old bikes, particularly some of the big named classics.

Personally, I'd always rather buy the newer and more reliable technology. I could not ever justify the cost of paying 'new bike money' for an old bike :no:

I've been offered five times what it cost new for my bike,,more than once.

Just horses for courses huh:yes:

The Lone Rider

23rd August 2012, 20:40

Frankly... I'd like to own a new bike from a shop floor, for once.

Something with disc brakes front and back.

And a long stretch for the legs.

Voltaire

23rd August 2012, 21:35

I realise that some prefer old bikes, particularly some of the big named classics.

Personally, I'd always rather buy the newer and more reliable technology. I could not ever justify the cost of paying 'new bike money' for an old bike :no:

Each to their own but I'm the opposite, I bought a Ducati off a dealer for 10K and 3 years later could not get 6.6....swapped it for a Thruxton which I sold for over 7K.... now running around on a 30 year old BMW every day I got for $1100.00.

I would never buy a late model bike again...especially from a shop. I've got two other old bikes and they are going up in value....that I like. :woohoo:

My favourite Harley TM add is :
1972 and 60K...:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/fuel-tanks/auction-506806197.htm

onearmedbandit

23rd August 2012, 21:52

Trademe - NZ's biggest parking lot. That's what it is known as in the industry.

Ocean1

23rd August 2012, 22:04

If you're serious about selling list your bike at a price that makes it the best deal currently on the market. If you're continually the 2nd best deal to every buyer interested in that model/year then you'll never sell it.

And yes, the more customised it is then the less it's worth, nobody else has your tastes in bikes.

hellokitty

24th August 2012, 20:58

My Harley sat on trade me for 1 month, with about 20 watchers. I got bored with that and took it to a Honda shop on a Saturday, and they sold it on the Monday.

tigertim20

27th August 2012, 19:05

My Harley sat on trade me for 1 month, with about 20 watchers. I got bored with that and took it to a Honda shop on a Saturday, and they sold it on the Monday.

I think that has something to do with it. spending 10k or more on a vehicle in a private sale means its buyer beware, and its your problem if anything happens to it a week or a month later.
The consumer guarantees act and various other legislation provides buyers with a degree of safety, not a solid guarantee, but a safety net, when buying from a shop. I think people are hesitant to spend that kind of coin without some sort of a safety net, I know for sure I am. The other thing too of course, is that not a lot of people actually have 10k or more in the bank to just buy a large dollar item outright - Im sure some people do, but they'd be the minority, and people find it much easier to sort out finance when buying through a shop as opposed to a private sale where they would have to do a fair amount of leg work in order to secure finance themselves.

shop = premium price, but simplicity of purchase with some assurances vs private sale = hard to secure finance and zero safety net.

Madness

27th August 2012, 19:10

My favourite Harley TM add is :
1972 and 60K...:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/fuel-tanks/auction-506806197.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-302675458.htm

268881

Hold me back!!

The Lone Rider

27th August 2012, 19:43

The consumer guarantees act and various other legislation provides buyers with a degree of safety, not a solid guarantee, but a safety net, when buying from a shop.

It also does not cover items won through bidding in an auction.

BUT... it does cover items on auction that are purchased with an immediate Buy Now.

Does this applies to personal sales... probably not. I haven't done research past that.

But it IS worth knowing that retailers that only sell through Trademe are subject to CGA. Some put items on "discount" and stipulate they do not come with a warranty (as opposed to the more expensive, identical items that they say DO come with one). However, this "no warranty" items are covered by the CGA if you purchase it with buy now.

It also applies to retail shops. Jansen (apparently "Pro Audio") up in Auckland tried to sell me a digital mixing desk for "well below it's value". They said it all works fine as a normal desk, but they did not know if the firewire in/out bus worked - and that it would come with no warranty.

I requested they test it. They said they had no computers with firewire. I offered to pay for the item plus postage, so that I could test it and keep it if it worked. They didn't want to do that. I asked what was the problem; they'd have their money if it worked. They said there's no warranty, so I can't return it if it doesn't work. I pointed out that they are a retail shop, selling me one of their products and warranty or no warranty they have advertised it as new to me at a low price - and that I'd be covered by CGA regardless of their lack warranty.

Jansen suddenly didn't have it for sale for me.

BIG DOUG

28th August 2012, 21:19

That superglide boat tail fx has been on there for ages,from what I hear it is made out of several bikes.He has stopped answering questions about its originality and so it sits there.

JimO

28th August 2012, 22:52

That superglide boat tail fx has been on there for ages,from what I hear it is made out of several bikes.He has stopped answering questions about its originality and so it sits there.
i dont know much about harleys but i know thats a fucking ugly one

PeeJay

29th August 2012, 06:28

It also does not cover items won through bidding in an auction.

BUT... it does cover items on auction that are purchased with an immediate Buy Now.

Does this applies to personal sales... probably not. I haven't done research past that.

But it IS worth knowing that retailers that only sell through Trademe are subject to CGA. Some put items on "discount" and stipulate they do not come with a warranty (as opposed to the more expensive, identical items that they say DO come with one). However, this "no warranty" items are covered by the CGA if you purchase it with buy now.

It also applies to retail shops. Jansen (apparently "Pro Audio") up in Auckland tried to sell me a digital mixing desk for "well below it's value". They said it all works fine as a normal desk, but they did not know if the firewire in/out bus worked - and that it would come with no warranty.

I requested they test it. They said they had no computers with firewire. I offered to pay for the item plus postage, so that I could test it and keep it if it worked. They didn't want to do that. I asked what was the problem; they'd have their money if it worked. They said there's no warranty, so I can't return it if it doesn't work. I pointed out that they are a retail shop, selling me one of their products and warranty or no warranty they have advertised it as new to me at a low price - and that I'd be covered by CGA regardless of their lack warranty.

Jansen suddenly didn't have it for sale for me.

Faulty goods sold as faulty goods are not covered under the CGA.
Maybe the reason they decided not to sell it to you was because the whole process was getting far too complicated.
Someone else fronted up and didnt argue the point . And it took 10 minutes to sort the firewire
Heard the one about gift horses?

The Lone Rider

29th August 2012, 06:34

They didn't say the firewire didn't work. They said they hadn't tested it and it is brand new, in the box and off their shelf

it is covered.

PeeJay

29th August 2012, 06:55

They didn't say the firewire didn't work. They said they hadn't tested it and it is brand new, in the box and off their shelf

it is covered.

If that were true they would have said nothing, sold it to you for the full price and let you test it.
If there was a problem you would get back to them.
When you buy new "stuff" do you expect the retailer to have unpacked, assembled and tested all functions?

The Lone Rider

29th August 2012, 06:59

sinfull

29th August 2012, 07:21

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-302675458.htm

268881

Hold me back!!

That superglide boat tail fx has been on there for ages,from what I hear it is made out of several bikes.He has stopped answering questions about its originality and so it sits there.

At 60 k for an ole shovel it will just sit there

James Deuce

29th August 2012, 08:40

If that were true they would have said nothing, sold it to you for the full price and let you test it.
If there was a problem you would get back to them.
When you buy new "stuff" do you expect the retailer to have unpacked, assembled and tested all functions?

Actually, with that type of equipment you're an idiot as a retailer if you don't test its functionality. Electromechanical contrivances used for music are notoriously finicky and prone to unexpected issues.

HenryDorsetCase

29th August 2012, 08:58

Faulty goods sold as faulty goods are not covered under the CGA.
Maybe the reason they decided not to sell it to you was because the whole process was getting far too complicated.
Someone else fronted up and didnt argue the point . And it took 10 minutes to sort the firewire
Heard the one about gift horses?

Private sales are not covered by the CGA. Goods sold "in trade" only. I will find the reference at work.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2012, 22:47

Maybe no one wants them, just sayin........

Guess that's why they're the best selling bike in NZ over 800cc eh.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd September 2012, 23:01

I saw my old 1125CR on TM for $10k after it had been bodged and re-registered. It was a mess. I can't believe someone bought it. .

One way to make motorcycling in NZ more attractive would be to stimulate it by selling 2nd-hand motorcycles at reasonable prices not the over-inflated bollocks the dealer and private market foist on us.

Your 1125CR you crashed and wrote off had fuck all wrong with it. It was repaired by Tony McMurdo, a multi times NZ road racing champion that's built more bikes that you've owned. There was nothing wrong with it, other than the squid that wrote it off in the first place.

It's private sellers on TM that try and sell shit for well over it's market value...HD's especially. They try and cash in on the fact that a lot of Kiwi's don't know how much new ones have come back in price.

The biggest over inflated bollocks in this thread...is your opinion of the people that actually do know motorcycles.

Bonez

3rd September 2012, 10:01

There's a shitty old Suzuki GT750 that's been on and off tardme than most of the HDs.

Bonez

3rd September 2012, 10:28

Electromechanical contrivances used for music are notoriously finicky and prone to unexpected issues.A bit like the folk that use them really..........

HenryDorsetCase

3rd September 2012, 11:03

It's private sellers on TM that try and sell shit for well over it's market value...HD's especially. They try and cash in on the fact that a lot of Kiwi's don't know how much new ones have come back in price.

Um, a Nightster was $16.5k brand spankers, a 48 is $18.5k brand spankers and they are 10999 US. And our dollar has never been stronger against the USD (well since the 60's)

God knows what a 72 will be. Importers set the prices based purely on what they can gouge out of their customers. I know that you dont set the prices but they have not by any stretch of the word "come back"

.......said the frustrated would-be Sportster owner. also, buy my scooter :)

HenryDorsetCase

3rd September 2012, 11:03

There's a shitty old Suzuki GT750 that's been on and off tardme than most of the HDs.

That Yamaha RT-1 has been there for like a year too.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd September 2012, 11:26

Um, a Nightster was $16.5k brand spankers, a 48 is $18.5k brand spankers and they are 10999 US. And our dollar has never been stronger against the USD (well since the 60's)

God knows what a 72 will be. Importers set the prices based purely on what they can gouge out of their customers. I know that you dont set the prices but they have not by any stretch of the word "come back"

.......said the frustrated would-be Sportster owner. also, buy my scooter :)

I can tell you what a new 72 will cost ya mate. Got two here now. And I was meaning what people are asking for second hand units privately...more so big blocks. Sporty's have been pretty much the same price for years. Although a lot of people don't know you can buy a brand spanker for $12995.00, and ask nearly that for an old dunger.

James Deuce

3rd September 2012, 11:33

A bit like the folk that use them really..........
Which is probably the real issue.

FROSTY

7th September 2012, 09:43

Theres a couple of other factors in play too. Pure plain n simple shit happens factor. You'll have a bike you think will never sell in a month of sundays but need the showroom full. It sells as it rolls out of the container. Another bike that ticks all the boxes and has been really desireable will sit for months on end.
Theres also the "internet affect' That bike might be a total little honey but because its sat for a month it shows on Trade me etc as an old listing.Potential buyers start to wonder whats wrong with the bike.

A seller who can predict the bike market with apsolute certainty would be a millionaire by now.

Heck I do this stuff for a living and can't predict it. What chance does a private seller have?

That said. I agree 100% with a comment earlier. All the "bling" parts you add to your bike for your personal enjoyment add at best little and at worst NOTHING to the value of the bike. The best you can hope for is that it might give your bike an edge over a factory bike.
I recommended a few months back that as long as it does not make the bike unsafe that Maha would have been better served removing the flash suspenders from his bike and refit the factory stuff.
Fact is in a lot of cases it will have the oposite effect.

brp

29th December 2012, 12:47

Maybe its just folk paying heaps for their hog in the first place and human nature being what it is cannot bare to lose money so list at an unrealistic price.

Smile at the prices being all over the place on TM like the 2007 1584 superglide low km's for 15k and then the dreamer with a 96 dyna with 80k for 18k

Think way over priced hogs when compared with what you get with a clubsport or xr8 for same money - rather drop 16k on a V8 - "Now where can I get the 16k harley for 8k" :D

scumdog

30th December 2012, 10:06

Maybe its just folk paying heaps for their hog in the first place and human nature being what it is cannot bare to lose money so list at an unrealistic price.

Think way over priced hogs when compared with what you get with a clubsport or xr8 for same money - rather drop 16k on a V8 - "Now where can I get the 16k harley for 8k" :D

Sorta like how the owner of a brand new Clubbie or XR8 pays heaps in the first place - then loses a bucket of dosh when they go to sell it??

brp

30th December 2012, 10:15

Yeah only difference is Clubbie and XR8 owners more realistic with second-hand pricing in the main ......

scumdog

30th December 2012, 10:56

Yeah only difference is Clubbie and XR8 owners more realistic with second-hand pricing in the main ......

Which is exactly why I'll never buy a brand new car of any sort.

The Lone Rider

30th December 2012, 20:07

st00ji

31st December 2012, 10:03

Each to their own but I'm the opposite, I bought a Ducati off a dealer for 10K and 3 years later could not get 6.6....swapped it for a Thruxton which I sold for over 7K.... now running around on a 30 year old BMW every day I got for $1100.00.

I would never buy a late model bike again...especially from a shop. I've got two other old bikes and they are going up in value....that I like. :woohoo:

My favourite Harley TM add is :
1972 and 60K...:crazy:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/fuel-tanks/auction-506806197.htm

i love people that take the complete opposite of the reality from the viewed / watcher stats. 99.9% of watchers are not buyers, and 30k views just means 30k people have come to shake their heads in disbelief at the dreams of the seller.

it does boggle the mind, and really its not limited to HDs or even bikes. pretty much every category has its dreamers... just the other day wife and i were looking for one of those fancy boxes with a harddrive in that lets you record live TV like mysky, and watch your digital medias etc. found one we liked on TM, but ended up buying a newer version for $200 less from a retail outlet. i mean seriously! makes you want to reach through the internet somehow to give people a bit of a slap and a good shake.

Road kill

4th January 2013, 19:52

Been a few Harleys I've looked at lately, around the 10K mark.

Older models, yes.

I still have my eye and hopes for an 84 soft tail with the apes and factory flame paint. occasionally come across one, but always when I don't have the cash

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-539953237.htm
Looked at this ?
tthe perfect example of,,,, "ya' dreamin' mate".
Over 12 months on TM an the guy still hasn't worked out you can buy a tidy 92 for $10,000 even though there are three at that price or less listed on TM right now.

caspernz

4th January 2013, 20:07

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-539953237.htm
Looked at this ?
tthe perfect example of,,,, "ya' dreamin' mate".
Over 12 months on TM an the guy still hasn't worked out you can buy a tidy 92 for $10,000 even though there are three at that price or less listed on TM right now.

Not even that...what cracks me is the fact it's 25 years old and it's claimed to be sitting on 10000 clicks? Has that bugger ever been warm? Must have been a coffee drinking poser maybe :woohoo::woohoo:

scumdog

4th January 2013, 20:11

"Bike sounds great and handles great too. I think it has a cam in it but can't be sure..." WTF??:crazy:

Kinda sums it up eh?

Nice enough and it has a twin disc front but it is an evo after all, stopped making them about 26 years ago...

The Lone Rider

4th January 2013, 21:05

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you can buy a tidy 92 for $10,000 even though there are three at that price or less listed on TM right now.

All Harleys currently listed for asking price under $10K are sportsters, one 86 FXRS, and one 92 FXRS

Everything else non sportster is "Starting price" $8550 and up.

Which would suggest you can get a larger harley for 10K... but not often.

I didnt think the 87FXR for 10500 was to bad - though I'm sure you show up with 8500 cash and it'd be sold to you. Don't like the exhaust, and the amount of effort I'd have to put in it to be satisfied with riding it.

New Harleys are pricey. I got sales quotes from a friend who works at Victory Of Mesa and even when you convert to NZD and add in $2K for shipping over here and licensing, the price differences for a new Harley here to one over there (with said conversions and etc) they cost a minimum of $5K more... but up to about $15K more.

Ps. tom... I think he's trying to say he's had a non factory "lumpy" cam put in. And the Evolution motor has been made until 3 and a bit years ago.

scumdog

4th January 2013, 21:17

Ps. tom... I think he's trying to say he's had a non factory "lumpy" cam put in. And the Evolution motor has been made until 3 and a bit years ago.

I realised what he meant - only he said "thinks" it has a cam, easy to say but can be hard to disprove - often a 'selling' tactic.

And those Evos you mentioned -they wouldn't have been used in any H-D off the production line I guess - would they??:confused:

The Lone Rider

4th January 2013, 21:26

The last evolution motor to be put in a harley davidson off of the production line was in 2000.

I missed 10 years. Namely, the 3rd digit in the year. (I was thinking it was 2003)

scumdog

4th January 2013, 21:46

The last evolution motor to be put in a harley davidson off of the production line was in 2000.

I missed 10 years. Namely, the 3rd digit in the year. (I was thinking it was 2003)

OK, just I knew the T-C came out in '99. (from memory, haven't Googled it!)

The Lone Rider

4th January 2013, 21:53

wiki says evolution was from 1984 until 1999/2000

and something about the sportster evo going until 2006 (or still going?)

Then stuff about the TC B and TC A

scumdog

4th January 2013, 22:02

and something about the sportster evo going until 2006 (or still going?)

Then stuff about the TC B and TC A

Sportster STILL going, bugger all changes.

B & A are variations, one has balance shaft(s) to 'smooth' the vibes.

Crasherfromwayback

5th January 2013, 14:37

OK, just I knew the T-C came out in '99. (from memory, haven't Googled it!)

wiki says evolution was from 1984 until 1999/2000

Then stuff about the TC B and TC A

Dyna's and Tourers got the TC (twin cam) in 99, the Softails TC (B) (for balance shaft) in 2000. Dyna was the first 6 speed whilst still a 1450 in 2006, the other families in 2007 when they went to 1584cc. The FXDC and FXDB are still 1584cc, the rest (apart from CVO's and V-rods) are now 103" or 1690cc. All the same twin cam unit with long throw cranks in 'em.

The Lone Rider

17th January 2013, 08:35

Talked to my friend who works at Victory of Mesa

Gave him the list prices as advertised by Rolling Thunder for 2013 new Harleys.

Heritage Classic Softtail is listed as $37,990 NZD ($31,900 USD).

Mike says their price for the same is "about $17-18K USD".

Ow... fuck that.

Gave him the list price for the 2013 Sporty 48.

His reply was "Damn, that's pricey. For that money over here, you could almost get a Fat Boy."

Those are some painful differences, especially given the NZD strength against USD.

Might see if Victory Of Mesa wants to send one over in a year or so, when I got the spare cash.

Crasherfromwayback

17th January 2013, 16:54

Gave him the list prices as advertised by Rolling Thunder for 2013 new Harleys.

Heritage Classic Softtail is listed as $37,990 NZD ($31,900 USD).

Mike says their price for the same is "about $17-18K USD".

.

You sure you read it correctly? Because that ain't their list price. $32750.00 depending on colour etc.

So if it's 18k US, turn that into NZ $'s and it's closer to $22000.00. Add $2500 freight to that = $24500.00, then add 15% gst to the combined total and you're at around $28175.00. You've now gotta chage the headlight (dips the wrong way), and sometimes the flasher lenses etc. Get it vinned for use of our roads...you've probably just blown another $1000.00 before you register it for a year, another $580.00. Getting pretty close to around 30k now. Is it really worth the hassle for 2k NZ?

I don't think so anyway.

scumdog

17th January 2013, 17:18

Back when the Kiwi $ was 40 cents US it was still within reason to fly to NZ, buy as Superglide, have a 5-day holiday and bring the bike back for close to the price it cost to buy one in the US.
True.

Banditbandit

18th January 2013, 09:38

You sure you read it correctly? Because that ain't their list price. $32750.00 depending on colour etc.

So if it's 18k US, turn that into NZ $'s and it's closer to $22000.00. Add $2500 freight to that = $24500.00, then add 15% gst to the combined total and you're at around $28175.00. You've now gotta change the headlight (dips the wrong way), and sometimes the flasher lenses etc. Get it vinned for use of our roads...you've probably just blown another $1000.00 before you register it for a year, another $580.00. Getting pretty close to around 30k now. Is it really worth the hassle for 2k NZ?

I don't think so anyway.

Yeah ... exactly what I was going to say ...

The Lone Rider

18th January 2013, 10:31

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-553517255.htm

Though by closer inspection they list a number of catalog parts that have apparently been added or changed.

I still agree with T's opinion on the matter though.

Crasherfromwayback

18th January 2013, 13:00

Been a few Harleys I've looked at lately, around the 10K mark.

Older models, yes.

I have a very nice tidy 2004 FXST I can do for 15k!

The Lone Rider

18th January 2013, 14:09

I have a very nice tidy 2004 FXST I can do for 15k!

To rich for me pete.

I want an old police auction rat bike. No point in getting a candy striper and have to strip it down to make it what I want.

Crasherfromwayback

18th January 2013, 14:53

To rich for me pete.

I want an old police auction rat bike. No point in getting a candy striper and have to strip it down to make it what I want.

Yeah but they're getting cheaper all the time eh!

And fair enough too.

HenryDorsetCase

18th January 2013, 15:49

I was talking to a guy yesterday who imports cars from the US, (based in Gore of all places) and he quite often brings in bikes to fill up a container. I had thought of trying to source something that way. But for a small-ish saving and the "pig in a poke" factor it might be a pain.

One other point: The US economy is in the dunny, so LIST price out of a US dealer (particularly for last years inventory) might be WAY less than what they're sold for. It'd be worth asking, no?

The Lone Rider

18th January 2013, 15:55

One other point: The US economy is in the dunny, so LIST price out of a US dealer (particularly for last years inventory) might be WAY less than what they're sold for. It'd be worth asking, no?

Prices I got from Mike was for 2013 bikes.

Certainly 2nd hand Harleys from USA are a lot cheaper than what they go for here.

gammaguy

18th January 2013, 17:53

the people with money always have money no matter what the economy is doing, i have just done a job where people spent 80k on kitchen

more useful than a harley perhaps?

gammaguy

18th January 2013, 17:56

Road kill

18th January 2013, 20:18

There's one HD been on TM a fair while,,,,3 days so far.

Took it for a ride earlier this afternoon an this time next week it's going to be mine.

Zamiam

18th January 2013, 21:44

There's one HD been on TM a fair while,,,,3 days so far.

Took it for a ride earlier this afternoon an this time next week it's going to be mine.

Congrats another converrt

Road kill

19th January 2013, 07:09

Congrats another converrt

Not really the convert as such.
Will be #3 but it has been a while.
Another Sporty,,,some people never learn:laugh:

Flip

19th January 2013, 09:49

When I brought mine, I looked at importing one also, the cost to import a single bike by the time you added customs, shipping, GST etc etc there was only about $1k in it.

psykonosis

20th February 2013, 23:50

they're there so they can tell the bros they've still go there harley and the wives that they're trying to sell them but can't.

Some just don't want to get rid of them but put them on trademe to keep the wives happy. If they can't sell it well they get to keep it. If they do sell it for the price they put then that's a bonus for them really.