My first late model 1000cc bike ride

[Two Smoker]

Hey everyone,

Ive finally done it (with the help of Loosebruce) and ridden a K3 GSX-R1000.... Pretty much totally and utterly speechless.... I hopped on to it at Motohaus, the first thing i noticed was that the position is dedicated but not cramped, then i noticed the huge amount of low down and midrange torque (the torque puts all v-twins to shame).

I managed to score this bike for a couple of days, so didnt get to push it that hard at all. The handling is beautiful, razor sharp with pinpoint accuracy. I compare the handling to that of my K5 GSX-R600. The brakes were phenomenal hauling up the bike very quickly. The power is just mindblowing, its like stepping up from a 250cc onto a 600cc with a very smooth power delivery. The throttle isnt very twitchy at all which surprised me with that much power. Wheelies non stop in first and second gear, and even with full weight on the tank, it will wheelie in second on a small crest under full power.

There is some down sides though, and that is it is a very hard bike to ride legally. Keeping the bike at 60kmh is very hard, as the slightest move of the throttle results in the speed upping to 65+kmh and the bike is almost stalling in 3rd gear at 50kmh.

So to sum it up, if you want the ultimate race bike/ track bike get a gixxer thousand. If you want to do stupid stuff get a gixxer thousand. If you want wank factor get a gixxer thousand. If you want a versitle bike, that you can ride normally and go hard when you want to get a gixxer 600...

[zadok]

I've had a blat on a fairly late model 'busa, so I know what you mean. Amazing power.

[Zed]

I managed to score this bike for a couple of days...Wow you must be special, I only got to ride Bruce's beast for 15 minutes!! :whistle:

[Eurodave]

then i noticed the huge amount of low down and midrange torque (the torque puts all v-twins to shame).


WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

[Zed]

I've had a blat on a fairly late model 'busa, so I know what you mean. Amazing power.Sure the Busa has sheer grunt, so does my Blackbird, and they both weigh in round 230kg...but these litre bikes are a different kettle of fish because they only weigh in at a mere 170kgs and have just as much HP to go - quite an eye opener to ride in comparison to the heavier machines!! :shit: :shit: :shit:

[Pixie]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!
Well, I have to disagree, the one (distasteful) time I rode a Harley road king,
compared to the Bandit,I thought it felt like a 400 with something wrong with the crank :rofl:

[White trash]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

Even better. I'll take on any 1000cc V-twin in a 100kph top gear roll race on on my Gixxer 1K.

Before you ask, I've experimented wit this before and always kicked arse. I can hoist the front wheel in first gear, at 3000rpm, off the throttle. Show me a twin that'll do that on standard gearing.

[zadok]

Sure the Busa has sheer grunt, so does my Blackbird, and they both weigh in round 230kg...but these litre bikes are a different kettle of fish because they only weigh in at a mere 170kgs and have just as much HP to go - quite an eye opener to ride in comparison to the heavier machines!! :shit: :shit: :shit:
I was wondering about that. Too much power for me to be an everyday bike.

[wkid_one]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!



SV1000 102nM @7200rpm, GSXR1k5 - 116.2Nm of torque, R1 108Nm @ 8500

TS is right

[SixPackBack]

I was wondering about that. Too much power for me to be an everyday bike.

Gixxer thou's make an excellent everyday bike, i do close to 600 k's a week. They can be relaxing and comfortable to ride and you don't have to rev them hard. As for to much power.....self control is a wonderfull thing :yes:

[2_SL0]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

You might want to read that fact spec sheet. I think when you compare say a 1000 vtwin with the GSXR 1000, you might get a surprise.

[WINJA]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!
WOULD OF AGREED WITH YOU IN THE 80S BUT NOT ANY MORE , IVE DONE LOTS
OF ROLL ONS AND THE 4 PULLS HARDER FROM EVERYWHERE .

[WINJA]

Hey everyone,


The handling is beautiful, razor sharp with pinpoint accuracy. I compare the handling to that of my K5 GSX-R600. The brakes were phenomenal hauling up .

IF YOU REALLY PUSH IT HARD YOULL NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE , IF YOUR DOING SCENIC DRIVE OR PIHA ROAD FOR INSTANCE AND RACING THEM BACK TO BACK REAL HARD YOULL NOTICE ON CONSECUTIVE CORNERS WITH EQUAL RIDERS THE 1000 WILL RUN WIDE SO YOU END UP BACKING OFF THE THROTTLE TO TIGHTEN
THE SECOND AND THIRD CORNER WHILE THE 600 IS STILL NAILED HITTING THE APEXES ALL THE WAY THATS THE 600 ADVANTAGE

[Devil]

Even better. I'll take on any 1000cc V-twin in a 100kph top gear roll race on on my Gixxer 1K.

Before you ask, I've experimented wit this before and always kicked arse. I can hoist the front wheel in first gear, at 3000rpm, off the throttle. Show me a twin that'll do that on standard gearing.
But mate, you've got the mass of an anorexic carnie. :D

[Zed]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!I've only ridden one V-Twin, a VFR800, and I reckon all that extra noise and vibration they make gives a false impression about their power. I'd like to ride the SV1000, TL1000R, VTR1000SP to make my own personal comparison & conclusion. :ride:

Sounds like the fours are reputably faster by the responses you've had to your comment, how many late model thous have you ever ridden Dave?

[TonyB]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!
Ask Dangerous- he is very impressed with the bottom end on 30UTD's K4. Even a 98 R1 has enough go to easily lift the front wheel from low revs in first. When it was running right, in top gear at 70km/h my 89 FZR1000 could
match the acceleration of an auto VT SS hard on the gas and kicked down. By the time we hit 80k's I could just ride around the SS.

I wonder if part of the feeling of acceleration froma V-twin comes from the noise and viabrations? Thats what I thought when I rode an 02 Aprilia RSV1000.

[WINJA]

I've only ridden one V-Twin, a VFR800, and I reckon all that extra noise and vibration they make gives a false impression about their power. I'd like to ride the SV1000, TL1000R, VTR1000SP to make my own personal comparison & conclusion. :ride:

Sounds like the fours are reputably faster by the responses you've had to your comment, how many late model thous have you ever ridden Dave?
VFR800 IS VEE FOUR 800 , VTR1000 IS VEE TWIN 1000

[Zed]

VFR800 IS VEE FOUR 800 , VTR1000 IS VEE TWIN 1000Ooops my bad!

[sAsLEX]

see they are making a r1 go big bang style to get a more v twin type power output in the bsb I think it is, so 1&4 fire then 180 degree later 2&3 fire rater than being spread at each 90

[WINJA]

see they are making a r1 go big bang style to get a more v twin type power output in the bsb I think it is, so 1&4 fire then 180 degree later 2&3 fire rater than being spread at each 90
YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS , TRY A VTR 1000 IN THE POURING RAIN ON A TIGHT WET ROAD , ITS THE ONLY THING THAT BIKE DOES WELL

[inlinefour]

Another reson why I'll go the 600cc bike, although not a soooooooooooki :devil2:

[sAsLEX]

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS , TRY A VTR 1000 IN THE POURING RAIN ON A TIGHT WET ROAD , ITS THE ONLY THING THAT BIKE DOES WELL

i think yourve hit the nail on the head winja. it did mention that due to the power pulses being better spread the tires have chance to regain traction alot better than the standard four setup

[pritch]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin??

I didn't see anyone mention low down or mid-range. The Suzuki, and I suspect all the other 1000cc sports bikes, put out way more torque than any current V twin I can think of. It is higher up the rev band but it's there.

[pritch]

YEAH BUT LOOK AT THEIR WEATHER HALF THE RACES ARE WET , TWINS AND BIG BANG BIKES ALWAYS FIND TRACTION BETTER IN THE WET AND ON SLIPPERY TRACKS

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".

[Pixie]

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".
That's why they sound funny

[Motu]

i think yourve hit the nail on the head winja. it did mention that due to the power pulses being better spread the tires have chance to regain traction alot better than the standard four setup

It's also head games - Bill Wiener used to set up Scott Parker's XR750 as a ''twingle'' for wet tracks,so that the two cyls would fire close together as both came up on TDC.Wiener said it made the same HP but because it felt flatter,Scott Parker would ride the bike harder,making up for his tenancy to back off a bit on wet tracks.A case of the tuner exerting some control over the rider.

[madboy]

Wow you must be special, I only got to ride Bruce's beast for 15 minutes!! :whistle:You must all be special... at least you got to ride it :no:

[WINJA]

Rossi's Yamaha was the first bike I read about that used this system. The inside cylinders fire together the outside two fire separately. Yamaha weren't saying too much about the firing intervals. Kawasaki must have figured it out because their Moto GP bikes have been converted to big bang too. Now all they need is a Valentino Rossi and they could be competitive too...

The Moto GP bikes make about 250 horses so even dry tracks must be "slippery".
DOOHAN GOT IT DONE TO HIS NSR500 THEN CHANGED BACK , I THINK THE RC30
WAS THE FIRST PRODUCTION BIKE TO DO IT FOLLOWED BY THE NC30 HENCE THE DRONEING LAZY TYPE SOUND BUT IT IS A STAGGERED FIRING ORDER OPOSED TO TRUE BIG BANG, TONY SCOT DID BIG BANG CONVERIONS IN THE 80S AND HONDA COPIED HIM

[TonyB]

Ah, you guys have just answered my question: I thought the MotoGP bikes must be firing as a ''four cylinder twin" or something- they just don't sound like a four.

[Two Smoker]

WTF? You are trying to tell us all that a 4 cylinder 1000 puts out more low down & mid range torque than a big V-Twin?? Best you read the spec sheets, or even better, go for a ride on a big V-Twin.That will soon change your mind!!!

As its already been said... Im currently riding a TL1000S, and jumping off that onto the Gixxer thou, the thou had heaps more torque...

[Two Smoker]

Thought you had $0?? See you not learned your lesson about riding outside your licence limits.

Yes i have learnt... its called not stopping... Give me the $100 and ill sit my full...


Whatever. Not ridden a Aprilia RSVR Mille then.

Not yet...


So dont take it out to Hunua then. Those left handers are real tricky I hear.

They farken are you know hehehe...

Geez your a smart arse glen hehehe..

[Marknz]

"then i noticed the huge amount of low down and midrange torque (the torque puts all v-twins to shame)."

Mmm... nah! The K3 is good ( I know, I owned one for a wee while), but it's not THAT good. Pretty much every other aspect of your ride report I would have to agree with, but not the torque comment. That said, if you think the K3 has got good torque, go take a K5 for a ride :yes:

[SPman]

So to sum it up, if you want the ultimate race bike/ track bike get a gixxer thousand. If you want to do stupid stuff get a gixxer thousand. If you want wank factor get a gixxer thousand. If you want a versitle bike, that you can ride normally and go hard when you want to get a gixxer 600... Nah - get a new 750!
Just had 3 hrs back to back - K4 1000 and K5 750 and what a pearler the 750 is.
The K4 was, a bit twitchy in traffic and , although it tipped in quick, if you gassed it up to quick when splitting through traffic it wanted to push the front - almost a case of acceleration being faster than my reaction time - almost rear ended a car I was trying to split a gap with!
But, the 750! Just get on it and go! Hard! Feels like a 600, but with another 25 horses. Stick your 600's, I reckon a 750 point to point would cream them - just so easy to ride fast - far easier than the thou as well - well, probably until you got used to it. There is that thing of readjusting to things far quicker
Felt too tentative on the K4 - always watching the speed and the massive increases for little throttle input, thereof! . The 750, felt more traffic and license friendly :whistle:
Sorry - 600's just dont do it for me.
The Aprilia Falco I rode did seem far more prone to wheelies from low revs, though - never had a prob with the 2 Suzi's

So - K4 or 750 (for similar money)
The 750 is great, but, perhaps I need to expand my horizons with a challenge - K4?

[Sensei]

What aload of shit V-twins are not even in the same fucking world as a Straight 4 . V-twins are just that ! . All the guys I ride with Have very latest model RSVR's Aprilia's they go hard for a Twin I'd say they'd be the best 1 on the road Bar Non !! But on a ride today my 1000 GSXR Just PISSED over them when ever I wanted to . Wake the Fuck up Guys . VTwin are excellent but don't put them in the same Leauge as a Inline , becuase they just aren't :weird:

[Marknz]

What aload of shit V-twins are not even in the same fucking world as a Straight 4 . V-twins are just that ! . All the guys I ride with Have very latest model RSVR's Aprilia's they go hard for a Twin I'd say they'd be the best 1 on the road Bar Non !! But on a ride today my 1000 GSXR Just PISSED over them when ever I wanted to . Wake the Fuck up Guys . VTwin are excellent but don't put them in the same Leauge as a Inline , becuase they just aren't :weird:

Pfft :wait:

[JohnBoy]

Nice one chris!! good to see the Gixer clan is spreading! :ride:

[Teflon]

Even better. I'll take on any 1000cc V-twin in a 100kph top gear roll race on on my Gixxer 1K.

Before you ask, I've experimented wit this before and always kicked arse. I can hoist the front wheel in first gear, at 3000rpm, off the throttle. Show me a twin that'll do that on standard gearing.

My shitty old VTR.

[Sensei]

Pfft :wait:


VTR 1000 = 68.3 FT-lbs 104 HP @ 8500rpm
GSXR 1000 = 79.8 FT-lbs 152.3 HP @ 11000rpm

Yep your right Weanerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ! :rofl:

[Eurodave]

OK,OK, I admit I was wrong,still, theres a first time for eveything!! :motu:

[froggyfrenchman]

I've only ridden one V-Twin, a VFR800, and I reckon all that extra noise and vibration they make gives a false impression about their power. I'd like to ride the SV1000, TL1000R, VTR1000SP to make my own personal comparison & conclusion. :ride:

Sounds like the fours are reputably faster by the responses you've had to your comment, how many late model thous have you ever ridden Dave?


MATE... Are you trying to tell me a vfr800 is a v twin? VTRs are v twins, VFRs are v4s.

[750Y]

..So dont take it out to Hunua then. Those left handers are real tricky I hear...

she knows her own way round those roads... ;-)

[Sensei]

Yeah but is that a firestorm or SP2????

Yea would have been 72.6 ftlbs if SP2

[Zed]

MATE... Are you trying to tell me a vfr800 is a v twin? VTRs are v twins, VFRs are v4s.Nah mate, my mistake.

[Marknz]

VTR 1000 = 68.3 FT-lbs 104 HP @ 8500rpm
GSXR 1000 = 79.8 FT-lbs 152.3 HP @ 11000rpm

Yep your right Weanerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ! :rofl:


Which year models are we talking about there fella?

:drinkup:

[WINJA]

Which year models are we talking about there fella?

:drinkup:
DOES IT MATTER .WITH THERE 3 LITRE GAS TANK AND SHIT FUEL CONSUMPTION THEY GET NOWHERE ANY WAY

[dss3]

Have to agree with most of you here... Having gone from my TL to Loosebruces K3 and then back to the TL the TL felt pretty lame and nana'ish. Being the first I4 1000 I had ridden I was quite suprised by just how much torqye it did have. Had expected it to have a lot less from the way everyone goes on about v-twins being the shit for wheelies and all that. But found the K3 was jsut way better at everything... hence i am going to e buying I4 1000 very shortly. Although i'll always be found of the TL's, they really are not in the same field as a new I4 1000 in my opinion.

ciao

[Marknz]

DOES IT MATTER .WITH THERE 3 LITRE GAS TANK AND SHIT FUEL CONSUMPTION THEY GET NOWHERE ANY WAY

you ever ridden one for a decent period of time?

Looks like all the data is out there and indeed the later model I4's do beat the V2s in the torque stakes. Fair enough.

That said, I still prefer the way the V2 puts its torque and power down, and as long as they're being built it'll probably be my road bike of choice. And at the end of the day that's all that counts for you and your steed.

[WINJA]

you ever ridden one for a decent period of time?

Looks like all the data is out there and indeed the later model I4's do beat the V2s in the torque stakes. Fair enough.

That said, I still prefer the way the V2 puts its torque and power down, and as long as they're being built it'll probably be my road bike of choice. And at the end of the day that's all that counts for you and your steed.
YUP HAD A DECENT RIDE ON SOME TWINS AND I THOUGHT THE VTR1000 HAD RATSHIT FUEL CONSUMPTION

[Madmax]

all i know is the buggers stand up big in first and are good
for a laugh

[Madmax]

no i wont paint your roof, only if you pay me :love: