New speed cameras

[kevie]

Saw a notice on the board at work warning that on Labor weekend the police will be launching its new speed cameras.

These cameras are "size recognizable" so will know the size and combination of the passing vehicle; eg: motorcycle, car, car pulling trailer, large vehicle and if it has a trailer or not.

The notice warned that any vehicle that is a combination, whether its a car pulling a trailer or commercial vehicle that is exceeding the 90km/h speed limit by 5km/h or more WILL receive an infringement.

I'm picking this is the forerunner to making an across the board 5km/h tolerance.

[iYRe]

they still cant get my license plate from the front though.. right? :innocent:

[kevie]

they still cant get my license plate from the front though.. right? :innocent:


LOL had a mate got a speed camera ticket .... the person in the van manually entered the number plate apparently as his bike went past.

[FJRider]

LOL had a mate got a speed camera ticket .... the person in the van manually entered the number plate apparently as his bike went past.

AND ... if the van is set up right .... it gets traffic going in both directions ...

[nzspokes]

Its not like the Police have ever told porkies about what equipment they have.......

[FJRider]

Saw a notice on the board at work warning that on Labor weekend the police will be launching its new speed cameras.

These cameras are "size recognizable" so will know the size and combination of the passing vehicle; eg: motorcycle, car, car pulling trailer, large vehicle and if it has a trailer or not.

The notice warned that any vehicle that is a combination, whether its a car pulling a trailer or commercial vehicle that is exceeding the 90km/h speed limit by 5km/h or more WILL receive an infringement.

I'm picking this is the forerunner to making an across the board 5km/h tolerance.

Police have the discretion now to issue tickets for 1 km over the posted limit for all vehicles ..... not just towing and heavy vehicles.

Do not rely on any "tolerance" to keep you ticket free.

[iYRe]

I've seen some vans set up to take pics both ways... they are slightly more obvious than the others..

Saw a speed camera on rosscommon road in a toyota enima.. and an old range rover.. getting tricky :P

[davereid]

I've seen some vans set up to take pics both ways... they are slightly more obvious than the others..

Saw a speed camera on rosscommon road in a toyota enima.. and an old range rover.. getting tricky :P

Yep and demerits for the registered person are on the way...

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjourneys/Towardsasafesystem/Pages/Safespeeds.aspx

[Road kill]

I've seen some vans set up to take pics both ways... they are slightly more obvious than the others..

Saw a speed camera on rosscommon road in a toyota enima.. and an old range rover.. getting tricky :P

I believe some of those more obvious ones with the twin cameras are plate recognition set ups.

Catch the non rego's,no WOF,stolen vehicle,dead plates,ugly women ect ect.

2kms over would put us in line with Oz,got done for 3kms over in a 50 zone,,,couldn't fucken believe it:shit:

[iYRe]

guess I'm gonna have to get my spidey sense workin a bit better then.. I've been pretty much ignoring them lately :P

[TimeOut]

LOL had a mate got a speed camera ticket .... the person in the van manually entered the number plate apparently as his bike went past.


Yep happened to me, ticket got withdrawn though:woohoo: illegal set up:laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep and demerits for the registered person are on the way...

http://www.transport.govt.nz/saferjourneys/Towardsasafesystem/Pages/Safespeeds.aspx

Well thats a load of :tugger:. Oh well as long as demerits continue to only count if you pay into the scam, I'm safe! :D

[pete376403]

I can't believe no speed camera vans have been torched at the roadside yet (or have they?)

[Rhys]

The person sting in the van my not be happy about that

[steve_t]

What a bugger for those that tow trailers often and try to not hold up traffic by keeping with the flow. I guess it's in the name of safety, right? :shutup:

These new cameras will probably still be visible and you can avoid tickets. It'll be the point-to-point cameras that will be the shitters

[pete376403]

The person sting in the van my not be happy about that


Should have got a proper job

[Brett]

Hard to read a number plate when it's point towards the ground...http://www.roadcarvin.com/sites/default/files/images/CBR954%20standup_0.thumbnail-large.JPG

[zique]

I believe some of those more obvious ones with the twin cameras are plate recognition set ups.

Catch the non rego's,no WOF,stolen vehicle,dead plates,ugly women ect ect.

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I think the camera's that catch the non-rego's are already around or will be coming into force.From a very reliable source,the police are getting more of these camera vans!

Btw somewhere online is a website from the UK showing burnt out speed cameras that's been mounted on posts.People there seem to hate them to burn them haha

[imdying]

I never get tickets on the open road. I sit there in my car at 95km/hr so I can't. Of course, that's a real world (according to my GPS) of 86km/hr. Can't think why I get all this traffic backed up behind me... but I'll never get a speeding ticket :) Yay for no tolerances making the roads safer!

[willytheekid]

... Yay for no tolerances making the roads safer!

Yeah ay!...WATCH YOUR SPEEDO!!!...NOT THE ROAD NZ!!

And then theres that million dollar speed camera in Nelson<(1 million in fines in one year!)
For the second year in a row this thing is looking like it will churn out another million in fines...all that says is its collecting revenue!...not improving safety! or contributing to lowering the speed of drivers in the area.

The ONLY "safety" measures the police and NZTA are actually capable of implimenting nowdays is lowering the speed limit!...much cheaper and easier to just swap a speed sign, than improve roads or rasing the driver training standards etc (That would require thought and planning...god forbid!)

...and I believe the LAW still states a mechnical allowance of 10%!...well the AA are still arguing this fact...but then again they don't stand to make a profit off it or an easy collar/quota!

Fucking nana state!...big difference between a real "speeder" and going a paltry 5k over!.

Heres a good way of improving road safety...STOP LETTING REPEAT DRINK DRIVERS & DANGEROUS DRIVERS WALK OUT OF COURT WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST!

[FJRider]

Yeah ay!...WATCH YOUR SPEEDO!!!...NOT THE ROAD NZ!!

And then theres that million dollar speed camera in Nelson<(1 million in fines in one year!)
For the second year in a row this thing is looking like it will churn out another million in fines...all that says is its collecting revenue!...not improving safety! or contributing to lowering the speed of drivers in the area.

Normally ... one might think all the drivers getting caught are rich ... or stupid. But Nelson area being a very popular tourist area .. it is more likely visitors passing through the area (mostly) getting caught.


The ONLY "safety" measures the police and NZTA are actually capable of implimenting nowdays is lowering the speed limit!...much cheaper and easier to just swap a speed sign, than improve roads or rasing the driver training standards etc (That would require thought and planning...god forbid!)

People ignore big ... BLACK SPOT. SLOW DOWN signs and crash too. Perhaps the signs distract them.
Why don't more people take more care when they drive, speed (apparently) is not the problem ... a quicker (and cheaper) fix don't you think ... ???


...and I believe the LAW still states a mechnical allowance of 10%!...well the AA are still arguing this fact...but then again they don't stand to make a profit off it or an easy collar/quota!

And the law also allows the police to use their discretion, as to when an infringement ticket is issued. If the popo on the spot decree's 1 km over gets a ticket ... so be it.


Fucking nana state!...big difference between a real "speeder" and going a paltry 5k over!.

See above re:discretion. But not ALL popo are created equal. Well ... they are really ... but some see more stupid vehicle operators than others. The more they see ... the more they ticket (in ever increasing numbers)


Heres a good way of improving road safety...STOP LETTING REPEAT DRINK DRIVERS & DANGEROUS DRIVERS WALK OUT OF COURT WITH JUST A SLAP ON THE WRIST!

It's a start ... but will have NO effect on the speed limit policies ...

[Berries]

People ignore big ... BLACK SPOT. SLOW DOWN signs and crash too. Perhaps the signs distract them.
Somewhere between Queenstown and Dunedin last week I saw a billboard with the message that distraction kills or whatever. With some hard to decipher picture that you have to concentrate on. Not too bad, but then they placed it on a bloody corner.

[ducatilover]

Speeding tickets only get issued when you break the law. Dirty bloody sinners!

Be safe darlings

[FJRider]

Somewhere between Queenstown and Dunedin last week I saw a billboard with the message that distraction kills or whatever. With some hard to decipher picture that you have to concentrate on. Not too bad, but then they placed it on a bloody corner.

I like the "share the road" signs ... I saw a driver once, turn his head to look at the sign ... and nearly run down a cyclist :laugh: Irony, or poetic justice ... ???

[mossy1200]

Im not that impressed.

[Scuba_Steve]

Somewhere between Queenstown and Dunedin last week I saw a billboard with the message that distraction kills or whatever. With some hard to decipher picture that you have to concentrate on. Not too bad, but then they placed it on a bloody corner.

that's alright, when they 1st ran that propaganda they had them on back of buses... Got pulled within a month, turns out it was... Distracting. who would've thought :facepalm:
so intelligent are the people controlling the roads ay :rolleyes:

[willytheekid]

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Yup, got no problem with law enforcment or officers discretion etc...but its becoming a joke!

When the tolerances are set so low, the focus has clearly shifted from actual road "safety"...to road "revenue".

All you have to do to prove this...is go for a ride during a public holiday!
Drivers are now so scared of and fixated on there speed, that they are actually distracted!
Sure the stats say the new limits are working...but as someone who relys upon and works with stats all day & everyday, stats must be closely monitored and variables must be changed and applied...this is not the case for the NZTA stats on holiday accidents...they have ignored key main factors such as weather, amount of road users, distances traveled etc

So seeing as the holidays have seen alot of good weather(compared to historical records), much lower road users and less distances traveled, due to the lack of disposable income, the price of petrol and peoples unwillingness to travel during a "4k" weekend...of course the stats will look good (which is why they proudly displayed them to the public)
So if there aim is to remove the common man from the roads through a fear campaign...they have succeeded!...but if there aim was to actually improve road safety...fail!

And as I said, if they focused on removing the repeat offenders off NZ roads, instead of trying to make all of us feel like criminals for small indiscretions...the roads WOULD actually be alot safer!
But no!...we are a cash cow!...the govn't has seen dollar signs and are ignoring the factors such as poor roads, bad lighting, poor driver education and rediculas sentances for repeat offenders, over the cheap n easy options of lower speed limits and rediculas tollerances enforced.

Personally I would happily take a ticket for exceeding the limit by 10k...it shows a lack of restraint and focus...fair enough!
...but 4k or less over a 100k limit?...how can that possibly be seen as dangerous? or warrant a fine? (In a 50k sure!...but the highway?)

The main factor to look at is...everytime a cop that pulls over a 4k "speeder" just means there is one less cop on our roads looking for actual dangerous drivers and ensuring real road safety is monitored and enforced!

You know I fully support the Popo FJ (Ive got the scars to prove it!), but when laws & rules start to contradict each other, speed cameras are consistantly raking in millions of dollars and having no effect on lowering peoples speed, and normal safe drivers with clean records are getting stopped and fined for menial infractions...it just REEKS of revenue over safety!

So I dissagree with spending more and more money on revenue collection tools such as speed cameras (that are proven NOT to effect drivers as much as a real Popo issued ticket), over investing in proper driver training, road maintenance and targeting real offenders and ensuring they are punished accordingly and kept off NZ's roads...THAT is focusing on road safety!, and THAT would benefit all...not just the Govn't's coffers!

...rant over:laugh:

[jellywrestler]

And the law also allows the police to use their discretion, as to when an infringement ticket is issued. If the popo on the spot decree's 1 km over gets a ticket ... so be it.

yet there is nowhere to legally establish that your speedo is indeed accurate, it used to be that when you got your warrant of fitness the speedo accuracy had to be established to a point until they brought in this 4km/h tolerance shit and it magically got written out of the whole thing!!!!!!

[willytheekid]

yet there is nowhere to legally establish that your speedo is indeed accurate, it used to be that when you got your warrant of fitness the speedo accuracy had to be established to a point until they brought in this 4km/h tolerance shit and it magically got written out of the whole thing!!!!!!

The LAW is still there...your speedo must be accurate to within + or - 10% of indicated speed.
The AA has been arguing fact this since the new Bullshit Tollerances were announced.
And if you try to claim this fact against a ticket, the Popo's responce is that you must get the speedo checked (At a cost of nearly $300!!) to prove that yours is infact reading incorrectly.
A process that the AA has slammed!, as it puts the responcibility on the driver not the manufacturer of the vehical...we should not have to prove this fact as the vehicles are designed within this tollerance, as is cruise control!<(cruise control on most cars has a 4-6kph "drift"...so at a set 100kph, you could actually hit 106kph! and be fined through no fault of your own)
I think the best way to fight this revenue grab is through cost...refuse to accept the issued ticket!, and politely advise the Popo that you want it posted out! (perfectly within your rights to do so)...that way they can enjoy the postage cost the admin required to dispatch it and the general hassel of issuing a bullshit revenue grab ticket....its a perfectly legal way of letting them know you dissagree with YOUR TAXES paying for campaigns that have nothing to do with actual road safety!

[jellywrestler]

The LAW is still there...your speedo must be accurate to within + or - 10% of indicated speed.
The AA has been arguing fact this since the new Bullshit Tollerances were announced.
And if you try to claim this fact against a ticket, the Popo's responce is that you must get the speedo checked (At a cost of nearly $300!!) to prove that yours is infact reading incorrectly.
crap my last ticket was in a 50km'h zone i watched the cop checked my speedo still got a ticket, went to a speedo tech, got a certificate that it was way out, went to the warrant people who stated 'if they think a speedo is out they'll take it up the motorway with a vechile they ''know'' is right. (bull fucking shit).
my point is the law is that you must have a warrant by a GOVERNMENT APPROVED agent, yet said agent does NOTHING NOW to ensure that you speedo is accurate, yet the GOVERNMENT APPOINTED police will serve you a ticket.
to me that simply smarts of a breach of human rights.

And the easy solution would be??? a few of those speed display units on the 100km/h areas so i can then check my speedos accuracy, where are they? not in the 100 zones. 80 and 50 yes but speedos do vary at differnt speeds

BTW who the fuck charged you $300 my tech was around $50

[willytheekid]

crap my last ticket was in a 50km'h zone i watched the cop checked my speedo still got a ticket, went to a speedo tech, got a certificate that it was way out, went to the warrant people who stated 'if they think a speedo is out they'll take it up the motorway with a vechile they ''know'' is right. (bull fucking shit).
my point is the law is that you must have a warrant by a GOVERNMENT APPROVED agent, yet said agent does NOTHING NOW to ensure that you speedo is accurate, yet the GOVERNMENT APPOINTED police will serve you a ticket.
to me that simply smarts of a breach of human rights.

And the easy solution would be??? a few of those speed display units on the 100km/h areas so i can then check my speedos accuracy, where are they? not in the 100 zones. 80 and 50 yes but speedos do vary at differnt speeds

BTW who the fuck charged you $300 my tech was around $50

If you are disputing a ticket in regards to speedo inacuraccy, you must go to a "approved speedo testing/recalibration service center"...not a standard garage etc.
The cost is usually the same as a recalibration....some places can & will charge even more than $300!!...Ive heard of costs ranging from $200-$400!

Which is why the AA disagrees with the process...its to costly for drivers to prove or take the risk that a ticket has been issued against a machine tolerance instead of actual speed tolerance, and most recalibration sites use the mecahnical standard of upto 10% allowance!...so even if your speedo shows 100kph and the true speed is 109kph...its a pass, So that ticket for 108 in a 100 zone still stands as your speedo is deemed acurate??...its a bulshit process when combined with these new speed "tolerances"...just serves to prove that these two laws are at odds with each other and the standard road user can be fined for unknowingly "speeding"....cash cows we are indeed!

[TimeOut]

I can't believe no speed camera vans have been torched at the roadside yet (or have they?)


A few years ago someone:innocent:through same nail clusters (the ones that always have a nail up) in a well known camera van haunt (under an over bridge on the northern motorway out of Dunedin)

Result four flats:woohoo:

[FJRider]

yet there is nowhere to legally establish that your speedo is indeed accurate, it used to be that when you got your warrant of fitness the speedo accuracy had to be established to a point until they brought in this 4km/h tolerance shit and it magically got written out of the whole thing!!!!!!

It is actually written into legislation, that the onus is on the driver to ensure they travel within the posted speed limit. Modern small GPS units are available ... probably cheaper than a few tickets too ....

For as long as I've been driving ... proof of accuracy of the speedometer was never required. They just had to work. And to check accuracy ... various pieces or road (usually straight bits) had measured miles (now days in kilometers) for which you had to (could) check odometer was reading correctly and you timed the distance at a set speed. No no excuse in law, for not knowing speedo accuracy.

[FJRider]

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The plod in the highway patrol cars are fairly low on list of people to blame. They have their instructions from those on high. Although some do get more enthusiastic in their job than others .... and will follow the instructions to the letter.

Living within an hours ride from New Zealands premier holiday destination (Queenstown) ... every day is a public holiday. And the roads around here are policed as such. Lucky you if you only get the treatment on actual long weekends and public holidays.

The scenery around here distracts quite a few ... and driver not looking at the road and where they're going IS a problem. I just go on the assumption they're ALL out to get me ... and ride accordingly. (it's kept me alive so far)

I have little faith in statistics ... never had. (If you ask the right question ... do you get the right answer ??) But they're seldom used in the context of real terms. As you say ... the variables are inconsistent .... so are unreliable. (in my opinion)

They've always been after the repeat offenders .. be it for speeding or drink driving. And fact is ... it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

History has shown a willingness to ask goverment to bail them out of their life's misfortunes ... be it from a downturn/theft in/of their blue-chip shares ... or from their uninsured housed getting damaged (earthquake or other) .... or any other "not my fault, why should I pay" issue. All the assistance being asked for (and often paid) has to have a source of income. (regardless of accounting method stats)

We all know the rules ... the two options are like them ... or not. If you expect them to change ... I doubt it ...

When you see flashing lights ahead on the side of the road ... do you slow down if you were speeding ... ??? I do ... and I bet you do to. If they just parked in Black spot areas ... I bet no crashes occur there. Stopping one (unlucky) car slows many more in the 10 minutes they're stopped.

They are being seen ... and being seen to enforce the rules. That's their job. Regardless of our personal opinions on the subject. And regardless of if I agree with you .... or not.

[mossy1200]

A while back I discovered a way to stop getting tickets. I slowed down a bit.

104 is a bit sick though. The difference can be the brand of tyre your running. Mags added etc on a car could change speedo accuracy.

I always thought that car manufactures set the speedos to indicate 100km when the car is between 94 and 100 true speed on OEM tyres.


Sideways note. Took a zx14r for a ride and the gaps in speedo are so small it would be hard to tell the difference between 95 and 105kph without spending more than a glance looking. I guess all 300 analog speedos would be the same.

[Berries]

Sideways note. Took a zx14r for a ride and the gaps in speedo are so small it would be hard to tell the difference between 95 and 105kph without spending more than a glance looking. I guess all 300 analog speedos would be the same.
On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

[FJRider]

On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

That's about 1st into 2nd gear time isn't it ... it is on the FJ ... :shifty:

[mossy1200]

On a ZX14R the needle should be moving so fast through that 95 to 105 area that it is a blur anyway.

Might have been 195-205? It sat on 100 quite well for a powerfull bike even in top. I was expecting to need be in 4th to sit on 100.

[mossy1200]

That's about 1st into 2nd gear time isn't it ... it is on the FJ ... :shifty:


Yes you would want to select 2nd before the power started developing.:devil2:

Gear Ratio: 1st 2.611(47/18)
Gear Ratio: 2nd 1.947 (37/19)
Gear Ratio: 3rd 1.545 (34/22)
Gear Ratio: 4th 1.333 (32/24)
Gear Ratio: 5th 1.154 (30/26)
Gear Ratio: 6th 1.036 (29/28)


Ist is 1.036/2.611 = 39.6% .396 of 320kph is only 126kph

Its not the closest gearbox ratio bike but at 219hp it might not need be.

[steve_t]

I always thought that car manufactures set the speedos to indicate 100km when the car is between 94 and 100 true speed on OEM tyres.


Correct

chars

[FJRider]

Its not the closest gearbox ratio bike but at 219hp it might not need be.

who needs anything other than top ...??? 1st to 4th just chews tyre's ...