Mike Tyson's visa

[awa355]

In or out??

Quite frankly, I really dont give a toss. We have worse scumbags of our own, walking the streets.

Personally, I think he's a dickhead, but he's done his time.

If he is allowed to enter the country, I just hope some dumb bimbo doesn't decide to make herself 'famous' by claiming afterwards that she was dragged into his hotel room etc.

[GTRMAN]

Yes he has done his time, but is he a role model or motivational speaker we really need talking to our young people? not so much...

[oneofsix]

No he is still doing his time. Part of the punishment for his crimes is he doesn't get visas to countries like ours, just as if you had done the same thing you would not get a visa to the USA. He therefore prove his repentance, shut-up and do his time for doing the crime.

What an unoriginal bastard he is copying the facial tattoo from Hangover 2, it's a wonder the studios have forced him to have a skin graft, guess that's because both are copies of Pacific island tattoos anyhow.
:corn:

[Usarka]

Willie Jackson is supporting him.

But I bet if it was a white convicted rapist he'd be so anti that it wouldn't be funny.

Racist c**t.

[MisterD]

Yes he has done his time, but is he a role model or motivational speaker we really need talking to our young people? not so much...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/us-news-blog/2012/aug/03/mike-tyson-broadway-debut


After the entertainment, what it does, primarily, is remind us how violent men who hate women attract boy crushes from other men who wouldn't dare.

Yeah, keeping the unrepentent arsehole out is the right call.

[scott411]

In or out??

Quite frankly, I really dont give a toss. We have worse scumbags of our own, walking the streets.

Personally, I think he's a dickhead, but he's done his time.

If he is allowed to enter the country, I just hope some dumb bimbo doesn't decide to make herself 'famous' by claiming afterwards that she was dragged into his hotel room etc.

im on the fence as well, but i know dam well that if a kiwi sports star had a rape conviction there is no way he would get into the states,

if he is doing something for charity then i can understand why to let him in, but basically he is doing a paid promtional gig with some charity getting a small slice so they can use that card to get him in here, when the life education trust pulled out it was just a paid speaking arangement,

[Quasievil]

Last I heard NZ has about half its population as Female, Mike Tyson doesnt respect woman............clearly, why would we allow someone into the country who doesnt respect half our population, with a conviction to endorse it ?

[Banditbandit]

Willie Jackson is supporting him.

But I bet if it was a white convicted rapist he'd be so anti that it wouldn't be funny.

Racist c**t.

You're making a massive assumption about Willie there ...

[SMOKEU]

Last I heard NZ has about half its population as Female, Mike Tyson doesnt respect woman............clearly, why would we allow someone into the country who doesnt respect half our population, with a conviction to endorse it ?

LMFAO. Have you ever heard of "Muslims"? They are allowed into NZ, and in their culture the males have no respect for women and they treat them as objects rather than people.

[Banditbandit]

LMFAO. Have you ever heard of "Muslims"? They are allowed into NZ, and in their culture the males have no respect for women and they treat them as objects rather than people.

Exactly. An they let in white racist scum like you - who have no respect for a big chunk of our population too ..

[Fatjim]

He'll get the Visa. He got it last time, and lost it because he lost his sponsor. Now he has another sponsor the Minister doesn't have a leg to stand on. Labour will eat her up.

Personally, I don't think he should be allowed to come. He's a convicted criminal. Our law says they don't get in. I admit there can be exceptions, but for rapists? Na.

[Fatjim]

Exactly. An they let in white racist scum like you - who have no respect for a big chunk of our population too ..

Pot... Kettle. Why does "white" need to be in that sentence. Pull your head in.

[p.dath]

Should the law give someone special treatment because they are a celebrity? Should the law make someone exempt just because of their place in society?

I think the law should apply evenly to everyone.

[Banditbandit]

Pot... Kettle. Why does "white" need to be in that sentence. Pull your head in.

Apologies - you are right - white does not need to be there in that context .. it should have read ...

"Exactly. And they let in South African white supremist racist scum like you - who have no respect for a big chunk of our population too ..

Here "white" is an adjective relating to "supremist" rather than the less politically correct noun of the first sentence.

[scissorhands]

Redemption is a long road.....

Not many growing up on the street in Brooklyn with a drunk mom, have attained notoriety such as Iron Mike.
Many Maori with pervasive development disorders may be able to improve their lives with his example...
Let him come, he is a changed man, who has much to offer NZers in similar circumstances.

'I wonder whether Tyson tries to explain his very dubious choice of tattoos - Chairman Mao, who was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of his countrymen. This is never mentioned anywhere! Fucking weird!'

[Banditbandit]

Let him come, he is a changed man.




And so is Stewart Murray Wilson - the Beast of Blenheim.

[Fatjim]

Apologies - you are right - white does not need to be there in that context .. it should have read ...

"Exactly. And they let in South African white supremist racist scum like you - who have no respect for a big chunk of our population too ..

Here "white" is an adjective relating to "supremist" rather than the less politically correct noun of the first sentence.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

[SMOKEU]

Exactly. An they let in white racist scum like you - who have no respect for a big chunk of our population too ..

I'm not racist.

[SMOKEU]

And so is Stewart Murray Wilson - the Beast of Blenheim.

That guy is the mad player.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That guy is the mad player.

He's your Dad innit he? You're the product of when he had sex with a dog. Oh sorry...that was his wife. Your Mum.

[SMOKEU]

He's your Dad innit he? You're the product of when he had sex with a dog. Oh sorry...that was his wife. Your Mum.

How did you find out about my family secret?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How did you find out about my family secret?

Hardly a secret when it's been in the news over the last 15 odd years.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not racist.

When did that happen?

[SMOKEU]

When did that happen?

Since always.

[The Lone Rider]

What an unoriginal bastard he is copying the facial tattoo from Hangover 2, it's a wonder the studios have forced him to have a skin graft, guess that's because both are copies of Pacific island tattoos anyhow.
:corn:

Pretty sure he got that tattoo well before the movie was even thought out. They only wrote it into the story as a gimmick.

[tigertim20]

In or out??

Quite frankly, I really dont give a toss. We have worse scumbags of our own, walking the streets.

Personally, I think he's a dickhead, but he's done his time.

If he is allowed to enter the country, I just hope some dumb bimbo doesn't decide to make herself 'famous' by claiming afterwards that she was dragged into his hotel room etc.

f we have enough of our own scumbags, then doesnt it make sense to stop the extras coming in too?

we dont need more fuckn rapists walkng the streets.

what if the 'dumb bimbo trying to get famous' was your wife, daughter, sister or mother?

[Hopeful Bastard]

Heard on the News that they are Paying 60k to whoever sponsers him coming to NZ... Well - That is 60k I could do without! Thats for sure.

Under our own laws, Anyone that has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than 5 years imprisonment is automatically rejected from entering this country, Let alone obtaining a Visa. So tell me this... Why is it that he has had 6 years served upon him of a crime which he has done and he is being thrown about the table for entering this country...

What a fail bunch of retards that support him coming here and an even more bunch of retarded idiots for even considering his application! :facepalm:

[mossy1200]

To sell out on one rule means every rule is for sale?

[Quasievil]

LMFAO. Have you ever heard of "Muslims"? They are allowed into NZ, and in their culture the males have no respect for women and they treat them as objects rather than people.

Yeah and I fucken Hate them to for the same reasons, but this wasnt about Muslims dumarse

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah and I fucken Hate them to for the same reasons, but this wasnt about Muslims dumarse

Tyson is a Muslim does that count?

[Road kill]

I think he should be allowed in.

I also think he "has" done his time and shouldn't continue to be punished by our gov't or any other.

But,,,I never liked him as a boxer,,,just a hard punching thug.

Think his Tattoo is a joke,,I remember when he was asked about it on some TV show and he claimed it was a New Zealand Mayan Tattoo,,,just about blew beer out my nose at that one:laugh:

BTW,Leave smoky alone,,,he's not racist ok.:shifty:

[Fatjim]

I think he should be allowed in.

I also think he "has" done his time and shouldn't continue to be punished by our gov't or any other.



Of course he's done his time. Pretty hard to travel if you are still doing it.

[scumdog]

I'm not racist.


:rofl::killingme:nya:

[SMOKEU]

:rofl::killingme:nya:

I'm super serial.

[Road kill]

Of course he's done his time. Pretty hard to travel if you are still doing it.

Some people here think he hasn't and never will.

These same people like to break the law every time they get on their bike,,but that's ok because there only road rules and don't apply to "them" even though people just like "them" kill people on our roads every week of every year.

In the mean time some guy that was probably set up anyway,gets no second chance in life.

Bunch of two faced fucking NIMBY'S.

[scumdog]

Some people here think he hasn't and never will.

These same people like to break the law every time they get on their bike,,but that's ok because there only road rules and don't apply to "them" even though people just like "them" kill people on our roads every week of every year.

In the mean time some guy that was probably set up anyway,gets no second chance in life.

Bunch of two faced fucking NIMBY'S.

Wow....what a non-seckwatoor to the max dude!:shit:

[FJRider]

Some people here think he hasn't and never will.

These same people like to break the law every time they get on their bike,,but that's ok because there only road rules and don't apply to "them" even though people just like "them" kill people on our roads every week of every year.

In the mean time some guy that was probably set up anyway,gets no second chance in life.

Bunch of two faced fucking NIMBY'S.

The USA has similar rules ... and it matters little to their authorities that we might have been "set up" too ...

A conviction would bar any of us from there. NO second chances.

Unless we're famous ... right ... ??

[Berries]

.. even becoming a vegan....
I was on the fence, now I think he should be allowed in purely so we can burn him.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Some people here think he hasn't and never will.

These same people like to break the law every time they get on their bike,,but that's ok because there only road rules and don't apply to "them" even though people just like "them" kill people on our roads every week of every year.

In the mean time some guy that was probably set up anyway,gets no second chance in life.

Bunch of two faced fucking NIMBY'S.



Please - Enlighten me on how I break the rules on my Bike. You seem to know me quite well there young sir.

[awa355]

Heard on the News that they are Paying 60k to whoever sponsers him coming to NZ... Well - That is 60k I could do without! Thats for sure.

Under our own laws, Anyone that has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than 5 years imprisonment is automatically rejected from entering this country, Let alone obtaining a Visa. So tell me this... Why is it that he has had 6 years served upon him of a crime which he has done and he is being thrown about the table for entering this country...

What a fail bunch of retards that support him coming here and an even more bunch of retarded idiots for even considering his application! :facepalm:

Hollywood's ' Nodding Head' , John Key is just back from Hollywood. Hes been given his instructions. Tyson will be allowed in :wait:

[Laava]

Nah, they still dont want him.
I reckon they should grant it on the condition of having a deathmatch with Liam Reid.

[ducatilover]

Make him have a fist fight with Paula Benefit?

[Road kill]

The USA has similar rules ... and it matters little to their authorities the we might have been "set up" too ...

A conviction would bar any of us from there. NO second chances.

Unless we're famous ... right ... ??

I don't agree that people should continue to be punished for the rest of their life for past evils they have already paid the state penalty for.

My views on international borders and people control are a bit different to most others as well.

The fact that the facts are the facts,,,makes no difference to the personal belief,,they stand reguardless.

[Road kill]

Please - Enlighten me on how I break the rules on my Bike. You seem to know me quite well there young sir.

Yeah I do know you,,your not that uncommon.

[FJRider]

I don't agree that people should continue to be punished for the rest of their life for past evils they have already paid the state penalty for.

Is it a case of continued punishment ... or part of the punishment ... ???

The rules of many countries regarding previous court convictions ... that will bar you from entry, are well known. (Aussie is included in this list) The antics of students resulting in court action ... are well documented in the court pages of all the regional newspapers. The future doctors/lawyers often apply for discharge without conviction for that reason. As do many well known members, of well known sports teams, and in both cases ... not often with success. So they can't say they didn't know.

If you apply for a visa to any country ... be honest with your court history ... and if sufficient time between your last conviction ... it may be granted. You wont know for sure ... until you ask.

[caseye]

NZ, bring your money or your notoriety, you'll be welcome here!
What a bunch of pussies we've become.
Our laws should be cast iron ( ha, no pun intended) Did it? done the time?good. Come here? Ah, Na!
Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.
Smokey isn't a racist aye?
Yeah Right!

[_Shrek_]

No he is still doing his time. Part of the punishment for his crimes is he doesn't get visas to countries like ours, just as if you had done the same thing you would not get a visa to the USA. He therefore prove his repentance, shut-up and do his time for doing the crime.

:clap:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/us-news-blog/2012/aug/03/mike-tyson-broadway-debut
Yeah, keeping the unrepentent arsehole out is the right call.

:yes:


im on the fence as well, but i know dam well that if a kiwi sports star had a rape conviction there is no way he would get into the states,

if he is doing something for charity then i can understand why to let him in, but basically he is doing a paid promtional gig with some charity getting a small slice so they can use that card to get him in here, when the life education trust pulled out it was just a paid speaking arangement,

simple realy get off the fence :rolleyes:


Is it a case of continued punishment ... or part of the punishment ... ???

The rules of many countries regarding previous court convictions ... that will bar you from entry, are well known. (Aussie is included in this list) The antics of students resulting in court action ... are well documented in the court pages of all the regional newspapers. The future doctors/lawyers often apply for discharge without conviction for that reason. As do many well known members, of well known sports teams, and in both cases ... not often with success. So they can't say they didn't know.

If you apply for a visa to any country ... be honest with your court history ... and if sufficient time between your last conviction ... it may be granted. You wont know for sure ... until you ask.

:niceone:


NZ, bring your money or your notoriety, you'll be welcome here!
What a bunch of pussies we've become.
Our laws should be cast iron ( ha, no pun intended) Did it? done the time?good. Come here? Ah, Na!
Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.
Smokey isn't a racist aye?
Yeah Right!

:Punk:

we can't go there as it's stated above & in NZ law it says no, so end of story, :oi-grr: & after reading 4 pages of KB dribble I would like to give out a few one way tickets of my own :kick:

[ducatilover]

I don't agree that people should continue to be punished for the rest of their life for past evils they have already paid the state penalty for.
.
The funny thing is, if they're not letting somebody whom has served their time in, they're admitting that the prison/rehabilitation system isn't working.

[Road kill]

Is it a case of continued punishment ... or part of the punishment ... ???

The rules of many countries regarding previous court convictions ... that will bar you from entry, are well known. (Aussie is included in this list) The antics of students resulting in court action ... are well documented in the court pages of all the regional newspapers. The future doctors/lawyers often apply for discharge without conviction for that reason. As do many well known members, of well known sports teams, and in both cases ... not often with success. So they can't say they didn't know.

If you apply for a visa to any country ... be honest with your court history ... and if sufficient time between your last conviction ... it may be granted. You wont know for sure ... until you ask.

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

[FJRider]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

Actually ... blame the minister of immigration. Mr Tyson had his visa approved, then it was cancelled.

Only one person had the authority to do that. The second application for a visa was dead in the water before it was made.

"Rules" ... "Laws" ... or "Policy" had little to do with either result. It was one ministers opinion. (and probably likes his job)

[_Shrek_]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

looking out side the law.... if he had been a bit more remorsefull with his out look on women etc... no probs

& looking from my side, if I can't get into the states because I nicked a few cars before I was 16 & a bit of disorderly behavour why the heck should he & others like him be aloud to get in here, I accept that what I did in the past has stopped me so why shouldn't they accept it

[scissorhands]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Mike-Tysons-visa-declined-for-a-second-time/tabid/418/articleID/272472/Default.aspx
"The people wanted me to come," he said. "If it was a fair organisation, a fair fight, I would be there but I got vetoed by the higher power."

"I just wanted to go down there and just have a show. Unfortunately that had to happen. It's one of those things in life that happens. It's life on life's terms and everyone has to deal with that and those uncertainties,” he said.

Chair of the Manukau Urban Maori Authority, Willie Jackson, said he supported Mr Tyson because he would inspire troubled Maori to turn their lives around.

“He has been down a troubled path. If he can inspire and support some of the things we're involved with, that would be great,” he said after the first visa was declined.

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei was appalled at Mr Jackson’s backing of Mr Tyson.

“I’m dismayed, actually, that Maori men would support Mike Tyson to come here and talk to our rangatahi [young people], at a time when violence against women and particularly Maori women, is very, very high,” she said.

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Mike-Tysons-visa-declined-for-a-second-time/tabid/418/articleID/272472/Default.aspx#ixzz298OfjOcH


good video of Mike Tyson talking, more video on his site http://miketyson.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4A_cemYxck

[FJRider]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

I just found this ...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/15109996/pm-denies-responsibility-in-tysons-visa-denial/

Would Mr Key lie to us ... ???

[Hopeful Bastard]

Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.


Thats where you are right. But you are also wrong.

Majority of places allow you in if you have been convicted on a Jailable offence. It is when you get convicted of 6yrs+ that you lose your "privilage" of travel. Just thought I would clear that up for you :)

[Fatjim]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

This has got to be the most naive bunch of crap I've read in a while. "Its the law" is a valid statement. Tyson new before he raped that women that there were consequenses. One of them is that many countries won't let him in. Letting convicted rapists in, when the law says otherwise is akin to not prosecuting for rape in the fist place. Both stop the known consequense of the criminal action.

And the threat? Wheres the threat in speeding if you are a good driver? Laws aren't meant to protect us from people who don't pose a threat, they are there to stop those who do, and sometimes those who don't, get caught up in the same law. There are many places I can drive/ride safely at 140kph, but its still "AGAINST THE LAW". FFS, grow a brain.

[Fatjim]

He'll get the Visa. He got it last time, and lost it because he lost his sponsor. Now he has another sponsor the Minister doesn't have a leg to stand on. Labour will eat her up.

Personally, I don't think he should be allowed to come. He's a convicted criminal. Our law says they don't get in. I admit there can be exceptions, but for rapists? Na.

Well, I got that wrong! I guess there is some serious political preasure to stop Willy whinging that his support isn't as valid as a white person.

[skippa1]

close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

,,,

really?.....is that what you think? Since when was Tyson "down"?
Ask yourself this......if it was your mum, sister, daughter or wife that he had raped, would you be satisfied that he was allowed to travel on a paid speaking tour despite the law dictating that he should not be able to travel? Is that a fair punishment? Or maybe you think the law should be applied dependant on how "down" someone is? pffftttt