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george formby
11th November 2012, 10:54
Very interesting reading. I know similar articules have already been posted but......

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/

Ocean1
11th November 2012, 12:06
Yes. Is not at least the basics of how that works a part of licence training nowadays?

The old gent that taught me to drive almost certainly didn't know the first thing about human perceptual mechanisms, but he was a pilot, and he did beat me on the ear if I didn't look the way he told me to.

James Deuce
11th November 2012, 12:39
Been repeated ad nauseum. Doesn't bear repeating because most forum members deny that they fall victim to this and would never not see a motorcycle.

Plus the other other response I've had is that the article is wrong, there's no way human eyes work like that, then you get the creationists who take issue with our eyes evolving in response to specifc threats when it is obvious that their invisible friend designed eyes, because they're just so complex.

So the same 12 people who read it before, nodded, then modified their behaviour will nod, silently thank the OP for reminding them to keep these practices up and continue on their way, avoiding saccading road users as best they can.

SuperMac
12th November 2012, 20:58
he did beat me on the ear if I didn't look the way he told me to.

Fierce? :angry2: Sad? :bye: What expression did you have to portray? :eek5: :nya: ;)

Ocean1
12th November 2012, 21:19
Fierce? :angry2: Sad? :bye: What expression did you have to portray? :eek5: :nya: ;)

Attentive. As in: *Smack* Pay attention, boy, 'Er majesty don't pay you for your beauty, *whap* and elegance of deportment alone *Smack*.

A more voluable and effective tutor one couldn't wish to meet. Although one certainly wished for a tad less punctuation.

wysper
13th November 2012, 14:01
Wow, kinda scary what we 'don't' see ay!

Bald Eagle
13th November 2012, 14:52
Attentive. As in: *Smack* Pay attention, boy, 'Er majesty don't pay you for your beauty, *whap* and elegance of deportment alone *Smack*.

A more voluable and effective tutor one couldn't wish to meet. Although one certainly wished for a tad less punctuation.

sounds like my old driving instructor frm the day the polis had a proper driving school only he used a wooden clipboard yo the knuckles

Maha
13th November 2012, 15:24
Didn't see this poor bastard either....been posted before but....its apt for the thread.

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SuperMac
13th November 2012, 22:21
It's because of drivers' visual limitations that it is essential for riders to make themselves as conspicuous as possible . . . ;)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3uoVOOlT2s

oneofsix
14th November 2012, 06:18
It's because of drivers' visual limitations that it is essential for riders to make themselves as conspicuous as possible . . . ;)


Yep arh huh. Would be nice for someone to run an education campaign on how to look at intersections, would help more than motorcyclists it appears.

jrandom
14th November 2012, 06:35
Good article.

You can't 'educate' car drivers. Good luck with that. It's a doomed approach. The common denominator is and always will be too low. Bring on the computer-driven cars, I say.

Personally, I'm paranoid enough that whenever on two wheels, if a vehicle's approaching an intersection from my left, I inevitably slow, crane my head toward them and give the driver the "I'm looking at you, cunt" gimlet eyeballs of doom. Not until I get definite eye contact and acknowledgement do I stop making sure that I can brake or turn out of the way if they happen to proceed.

Every single time.

And every so often, the eye contact doesn't happen and they do proceed, my existence obviously not having registered in their conscious mind. At which point I simply do whatever 'stay out of the way' maneuver is appropriate. And then, based on how much of a hurry I'm in, I either make rude and aggressive gestures and carry on, or hook a U-turn, follow them until they stop, and have a little chat. I like a little chat.

It saves me from a bike vs car bin three or four times a year, I reckon. If you're riding in traffic and you don't do that, you're gonna have a bad time.

Str8 Jacket
14th November 2012, 06:56
Personally, I'm paranoid enough that whenever on two wheels, if a vehicle's approaching an intersection from my left, I inevitably slow, crane my head toward them and give the driver the "I'm looking at you, cunt" gimlet eyeballs of doom. Not until I get definite eye contact and acknowledgement do I stop making sure that I can brake or turn out of the way if they happen to proceed.



Yep, I do the same from whichever side they're coming but I have also found that when it looks like they aint gonna stop at all that standing up on your bike makes them suddenly see u and stop. Not always of course which is why you still want to be on the brakes or finding a way to avoid them......

p.dath
14th November 2012, 07:09
That's a great article with a good explanation.

jrandom
14th November 2012, 07:10
standing up on your bike

Yeah, not being able to do that is the main problem with the Nightster's forward controls.

Str8 Jacket
14th November 2012, 07:11
Yeah, not being able to do that is the main problem with the Nightster's forward controls.

Ah yes! I find That it can also be very easy to drop the throttle if not thinking right and / or panicking. Prob not a good look to fling your self over the handle bars into the path of the vehicle..... :facepalm:

Drew
14th November 2012, 07:37
Quite interesting, but less than helpful I think.

Cunts don't take enough time to look. Change all intersections to stop sign instead of give way, and the same shit would still happen. Only time I've been cleaned out was by a bitch failing to stop.

george formby
14th November 2012, 08:11
Quite interesting, but less than helpful I think.

Cunts don't take enough time to look. Change all intersections to stop sign instead of give way, and the same shit would still happen. Only time I've been cleaned out was by a bitch failing to stop.


Sad but true. We have a stop sign at the end of our street & I do not recall anybody turning left stopping in the four years I have lived here.

$150 fine to save a few seconds.:crazy:

p.dath
14th November 2012, 11:07
Sad but true. We have a stop sign at the end of our street & I do not recall anybody turning left stopping in the four years I have lived here.

$150 fine to save a few seconds.:crazy:

If there haven't been any incidents it sounds like that sign should be changed.

HenryDorsetCase
14th November 2012, 11:12
Great link, thanks for posting. I even shared it on farcebook

Drew
14th November 2012, 14:39
Great link, thanks for posting. I even shared it on farcebookBy way of hint, as to real identity?

chasio
14th November 2012, 15:45
You can't 'educate' car drivers. Good luck with that. It's a doomed approach...

True. Just last night I noticed a farkoff great billboard opposite the end of the Nelson St offramp exhorting drivers to look twice for bikes. I felt all warm and fuzzy (someone cares!) for the two seconds before I realized it would make bugger all difference.

Berries
14th November 2012, 19:53
Sad but true. We have a stop sign at the end of our street & I do not recall anybody turning left stopping in the four years I have lived here.

$150 fine to save a few seconds.:crazy:
You've got to question why it is there then. Poor visibility to the left or just to placate someone who moans a lot?

(And it's 20 points as well. DAMHIK)

HenryDorsetCase
14th November 2012, 19:58
By way of hint, as to real identity?

YOu got me, I'm an RAF pilot.

Spiffing, what!

Ocean1
14th November 2012, 20:17
YOu got me, I'm an RAF pilot.

Spiffing, what!

Ah, do you know a dude called Bigglesworth?

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swbarnett
14th November 2012, 22:48
It's because of drivers' visual limitations that it is essential for riders to make themselves as conspicuous as possible . . . ;)
It is not possible for us to be conspicuous enough to be seen by everybody. Stop expecting everyone else to look out for you and look out for yourself.

I don't care who sees me - I see them.

george formby
15th November 2012, 00:36
You've got to question why it is there then. Poor visibility to the left or just to placate someone who moans a lot?

(And it's 20 points as well. DAMHIK)

Aah, the ambiguity of the interweb.
The stop junction is on the crown of a relatively steep hill, it's effectively a cross roads. To you right you can look down one side of the hill which has a "slow vehicle bay", the speed limit coming up from the right is 70kmh. For some mysterious reason the majority of road users seem to assume that it is a "passing lane". I guess their are a lot of dyslexic road users. Closing speed of vehicles from the right is typically well above the limit. Vehicles turning left pull into the bay, still doing 70 kmh but the bay finishes before the junction so they have to enter traffic as they hit the brakes to turn. From the left you have a single lane which now has chevrons, it used to be a passing lane so you would have vehicles still overtaking at well over 100kh entering a 70 kmh area with a cross roads at the peak of a blind hill crest. Totally blind if your turning right Scary shit.
Admittedly visibility to your right is fine but you still have to access the speed of approaching vehicles & what their intentions are. The sign is appropriate.

SuperMac
15th November 2012, 01:23
YOu got me, I'm an RAF pilot.


I say! Have you been introduced to pilot officers Armstrong and Miller?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DR3vGUOVUA&playnext=1&list=PLC876CDFF10950826&feature=results_main

vifferman
15th November 2012, 13:33
Been repeated ad nauseum. Doesn't bear repeating because most forum members deny that they fall victim to this and would never not see a motorcycle.
Nup. That is, not I, Sir.
I still remember vividly being on my FarhtSturm, coming up to an intersection, looking to the right, starting to go, then flashed a quick glance to the right to see a black scroter (with headlight on) that I missed completely a second before. In that moment, it struck me how easy it was for other traffic to not see us.

This morning, travelling down Onewa Road, I changed to the right lane, and watched amused as the guy in front and to the left of me on a Ninja stuck his indicator on, and changed lanes into what would have been my path if I hadn't been watching him. I couldn't see him in his trendily diamond-shaped mirrors, so presumably, he couldn't see me, so his mirror check sans headcheck was useless. I dunno if I gave him a fright when I stuck my head out to the left and looked at him ("Here I am!"), but if I'd been a truck or car he could have been an unhappy chappy. Bikes have blind spots too, especially if the mirrors are more about style than function...

I find I'm using my three (3) horns less than I used to was (resorting instead to being a bit more cruisy), but on occasion they're usefull to say, "Wake up, Dozy!!"
(Apart from that time a cop in front of me changed lanes without looking, and I followed him for a few km having an internal debate as to whether or not I should've tootled him, before deciding it would've more'n likely been a futile waste of time).