Campbell Live - Rope barriers.

[Lou Girardin]

I watched the story about the Road Safety conference on at present. Campbell interviewed two delegates about safety matters.
He also showed a video of the barriers on Centenial Highway deflecting a car, which is all well and good.
But again there's no mention of the forgotten road users - us.
I was annoyed enough to email the show and point out that if the footage had been of a biker, they would not have been able to screen it. He would have been dismembered.
I also pointed out that these killer barriers are only used because they're cheap.
I wonder if I get a response?

[bugjuice]

hope you do. Good on ya for emailing them too. I would have done the same if I had been watching. I know you will, but let us know if you hear back..

[louisb]

Yep... saw that too.

I was waiting for them to mention how dangerous they were. However they go on to praise them and say how safe and CHEAP they are. The first thing the guy said was they are 'cost effective'. priorities!

[scumdog]

Saw it, they had the nerve to say that a concrete barrier would have been worse for the car!! (Had film footage of a car hitting the rope barrier, barely touched it and Canmpbell and co. were touting how good the rope barrier was)
Car looked like it had nudged a shredder.

[Beemer]

Yup, made my husband jump up and down, that's for sure! "Bloody cheesecutters, if a rider hits them it would be a different story!"

The thing is, I wish that moron who had hit them had got stuck in them and then a logging truck had come around the corner and buried him. Yes, for cars they are probably very cheap and effective, but they are lethal to a human body not protected by a shitload of metal.

It makes me wonder why they always focus on how many motorcyclists suffer death and injury when they want to make us pay more ACC levies, but when they talk about road safety, they only focus on cars and drivers?

[vifferman]

Saw it, they had the nerve to say that a concrete barrier would have been worse for the car!! (Had film footage of a car hitting the rope barrier, barely touched it and Canmpbell and co. were touting how good the rope barrier was)
Car looked like it had nudged a shredder.
Whereas if it had hit a concrete one, it would've mostly just slid along.

There was an item in The NZ Harold this morning saying how effective the cheese slicers were, like the one in Wellytown (Ngauranga Gorge??) which had completely eliminated head-on collisions for that 700m stretch of moronway.

[Motu]

I saw a car that had gone into the rope barrier on the Ramarama straights on the Sthrn M/W....it had spun the car around and was pointing the opposite way,there is a wide grass medium there,if this happened further south on SH1 where the rope is just down the centre,the car would of been hurled back into the traffic.

It's been over a month now - Te Kauwhata is still in disaray,the wire rope lying on the ground,posts bowled over....there must be some big pow wows going on over this.

[scumdog]

I had a suspicion that the rope barrier would have a liklihood of 'grabbing' a car and spinning it around - seems by the above I am correct.

[vifferman]

It's been over a month now - Te Kauwhata is still in disaray,the wire rope lying on the ground,posts bowled over....there must be some big pow wows going on over this.
Or not.
"Errr... where are we gonna get some more of that rope from?"
"Same place as last time - just nick some off a boat, paint it grey."

Perhaps what they should do is make barriers out of something more compliant that's hard to get rid of, like dead car bodies, tyre mountains, bales of waste paper, bags of empty milk cartons, sacks of politicians' taxi chits...

[bugjuice]

to me, this crap going on just shows that no one in 'power' and making the decisions has ever actually ridden a bike, or looked at it from our point of view. We should write to Cambell on the soul point that we pay more ACC than cars, yet ACC aren't helping us to be safe on the roads, so the circle keeps going

[SARGE]

to me, this crap going on just shows that no one in 'power' and making the decisions has ever actually ridden a bike, or looked at it from our point of view. We should write to Cambell on the soul point that we pay more ACC than cars, yet ACC aren't helping us to be safe on the roads, so the circle keeps going


here is the shows homepage.. http://campbelllive.tv3.co.nz/
email them..let them know we are out here ... campbelllive@tv3.co.nz

[The Stranger]

I doubt a single email to Campbell & co will make a difference but if they get a thousand they think about it. There a potentially powerful lobby in this group.

[bugjuice]

here is the shows homepage.. http://campbelllive.tv3.co.nz/
email them..let them know we are out here ...
urrrrghhhh.. lots of registering, which means lots of spam from TVNZ.. oh well, here goes..

[bugjuice]

what bloody password is nucleargovernment77?!?! talk about random..

[SARGE]

urrrrghhhh.. lots of registering, which means lots of spam from TVNZ.. oh well, here goes..


you dont need to register.. i have edited the post to include the email addy..

[Pixie]

OK your all on your 'puters,how about sending a quick e-mail to Campbell

[bugjuice]

you dont need to register.. i have edited the post to include the email addy..
oh well, all done now. A nice long email that hitcher probably would have a fit at, but I think I got my point across.

I think everyone should email in. The more welly we get into this, the more we might be heard. If anything, we need to start shouting about something sooner or later. No one is taking into consideration the smaller road users, and we're going to get badly hurt when we don't need to be.. it's only a matter of time, and I really don't want it to be..

everyone email now! it'll only take 2 minutes, but might save you months of pain, or even your life!!

[Pixie]

I saw a car that had gone into the rope barrier on the Ramarama straights on the Sthrn M/W....it had spun the car around and was pointing the opposite way,there is a wide grass medium there,if this happened further south on SH1 where the rope is just down the centre,the car would of been hurled back into the traffic.

It's been over a month now - Te Kauwhata is still in disaray,the wire rope lying on the ground,posts bowled over....there must be some big pow wows going on over this.
Maybe they just haven't got out of bed yet

[SARGE]

everyone email now! it'll only take 2 minutes, but might save you months of pain, or even your life!!


the squeeky wheel gets the grease... ( i also squeaked about the ACC Levies on Horse people, Rugby Players and boy racers...)

[bugjuice]

the squeeky wheel gets the grease...
SQUEAK LOUDER DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!

[The Stranger]

I believe that I read somewhere that these cheese cutters had been banned in some countries because of the damage that they do to motorcyclists. Does anyone have knowledge of this. If so it would be good to quote it to the jerk.

[SARGE]

I believe that I read somewhere that these cheese cutters had been banned in some countries because of the damage that they do to motorcyclists. Does anyone have knowledge of this. If so it would be good to quote it to the jerk.


previous thread - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=14871

[skelstar]

Well I have emailed my two cents. I feel strangely righteous. Im thinking its fairly important to have a rational/even tone to these emails.

[Damon]

I've sent my bit and happliy await my generic reply

[thehollowmen]

Done my bit

Does anybody know if cyclists are fighting these? Cyclists pinned between cheese cutters and a vehicle would uh....

uh

yeah

[skelstar]

I had wondered about this but then often would they be in the fast-lane? Not really anywhere in Wgtn anyway.

[Keystone19]

Yep, I've sent my email as well. Be interesting to see what they come back with... :rofl:

[bugjuice]

Done my bit

Does anybody know if cyclists are fighting these? Cyclists pinned between cheese cutters and a vehicle would uh....

uh

yeah
cyclists don't do 100kph on the motorway. They'd just break a rib or two at worst, or loose a tooth. We'd be neatly cut in half. Which makes it easier to pick up bodies afterward.. providing your guts didn't spill across too many lanes..

[thehollowmen]

I was disappointed to see your show recently featured rope barriers in only a positive light.
There is a movement in this country by motorcycle riders and cyclists to try to remove these barriers as high speed impact, or impact between the barriers and another vehicle have a devastating effect on the human body. They have been nicknamed “cheese cutter” barriers because they slice the body in a similar fashion to piano wire cheese cutters, severing limbs and putting huge slices through the body.

The Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) in the UK has launched a campaign to ban these Crash Barriers.

The European Federation of Motorcyclists (FEMA) have a report on the motorcycle crashes which states that a majority of fatal motorcycle crashes are against barriers: http://www.fema.kaalium.com/crashbarrier/index.html

What is also interesting is that the motorcycle specific acc website http://www.rideforever.co.nz/road_awareness/hazardous_road.html omits these barriers, despite their known injury causing potential.

The comment has been passed around my friends that if the video you showed of a car hitting the rope barriers was a motorcycle, you would be unable to show the video due to the number of complaints you would receive following a death.

I hope that you can give a balanced view on the subject in your next show.

Yours truly,
Colin White

[thehollowmen]

cyclists don't do 100kph on the motorway. They'd just break a rib or two at worst, or loose a tooth. We'd be neatly cut in half. Which makes it easier to pick up bodies afterward.. providing your guts didn't spill across too many lanes..

Not if they're sandwiched by a car or truck..

[bugjuice]

Not if they're sandwiched by a car or truck..
then what are they doing on the motorway in the first place?
I get your point tho.. not just us.. just kinda windingaling you up, cos I'm bored

actually, your ACC link webmathingy doesn't mention the cheese cutters. It says about folded steel, conctret, posts and amco barriers. Nothing on the cutters. It also says: Ride conservatively. If you are forced against a barrier by another vehicle or you crash into one, you'll face serious injury or death.
well fukin durrrrrrr points to that twot who came up with that line

[Big Dave]

Where do we send it?
someone who has should do a mailto: link and we cc Hollowmen's note.
Take the 'my friends' out too maybe.

[thehollowmen]

then what are they doing on the motorway in the first place?
I get your point tho.. not just us.. just kinda windingaling you up, cos I'm bored

actually, your ACC link webmathingy doesn't mention the cheese cutters. It says about folded steel, conctret, posts and amco barriers. Nothing on the cutters. It also says: Ride conservatively. If you are forced against a barrier by another vehicle or you crash into one, you'll face serious injury or death.
well fukin durrrrrrr points to that twot who came up with that line

Yeah, that's why I said 'omits'
maybe ACC knows how bad these are and want them banned from a motorcyclist's point of view
or they want us to stay well away from them "uh huh you shouldn't ever see cheesecutters please don't use roads with them on because it costs us too much."

[Eurygnomes]

I try always to remember to mention what I WANT to replace what they've given - else it's just a complaint, not a suggestion! :)

Feel free to plagiarise if you think it'll help. Hell, I'm leaving soon so what the heck! :)

Good morning everyone on the Campbell-live team.

It has been brought to my attention that last night you screened a segment on median barriers, commenting on the type that some of us call 'cheesecutters' - that they're the most cost-effective method of protecting drivers.

I used to consider television journalism in NZ as being of a reasonable standard, however that statement continues to be challenged the more I hear/see one-sided stories such as this.

Unfortunately, when a motorcyclist is knocked off their bike (usually due to an inconsiderate/blind car driver who 'didn't see the motorcyclist' that was doing it's best to be visible (more in a moment)) into such wire, they tend to be travelling at a high speed. Did you notice that the car that you showed on your segment was 'sliced' into? Replace 'car' with 'human' and no matter how much kevlar they wear on their 'sticky out bits', it's highly likely they'll be removed from the road in segments!

This is of GREAT and GRAVE concern to motorcycle riders. I'm not saying that LTSA are ever going to remember that the roads aren't the sole domain of car and truck drivers, but it's a shame that a show that supposedly presents 'current affairs' neglects a percentage of road users to whom this issue matters so greatly.

I would like to see a segment on Campbell live showing the problems/issues that motorcyclists in NZ are faced with. This includes

A) incompetant road repairs and manhole covers at the apex of a corner (do car drivers even KNOW what an apex is?),
B) the white paint that no longer has grit added to it (and is therefore unecessarily slippery in comparison with the paint that was used in the past), C) the placement of pedestrian crossings (often also on the apex of corners, which means broad swathes of slippery white paint...right where you don't need them - when you're attempting to stop!),
D) visibility issues (did you know motorcycles are not permitted running lights? Yet trucks - which are fairly visible in themselves - can be lit up like a Christmas tree?), and
E) lack of support from LTSA/MoT/ACC (in that we pay higher levies etc, yet our road use needs are rarely addressed, let alone met).

Monash (University) carry out several studies on all sorts of wide-ranging motorcycle related topics. And studies carried out specifically on the wire-crashbarriers can be found here http://www.fema.kaalium.com/crashbarrier/index.html.

Thanks for providing NZers with ALL sides of a story so that they can make their OWN judgements.
Regards,
Naomi

[bugjuice]

Yeah, that's why I said 'omits'
maybe ACC knows how bad these are and want them banned from a motorcyclist's point of view
or they want us to stay well away from them "uh huh you shouldn't ever see cheesecutters please don't use roads with them on because it costs us too much."
sorry, brain fart moment.. fancy words take a while longer to sink in..

yup, I've sent one.. tempted to send another! I just want to know they aren't going into the trash, and I really hope it gets a mention. Cambell and their writers are often quite good at highlighting points from both sides. Lets hope they come thru for us. I sent a lengthy one like 'nomes too, and also highlighted on the point of poor road conditions and the inadiquacy of the white paint too. I also used a spell checker.

[merv]

So the moral of this story is make sure you guys don't bother crashing into the barrier and then it won't hurt.

[Racey Rider]

I'm going to send this in.
Edit: Done.

Hello,
I'm sad your story last night about the wire (Cheese cutter) barriers on that Wellington highway made no mention about how they affect Motorcyclists.
Not well from what I read of overseas reports.

Us Motorcyclists do a good job of:
using less fuel than cars,
Creating less emissions than cars
Taking up less road space than cars
Less parking space than cars

and yet we often don't get thought about when implementing safety measures.

These barriers are very dangerous to the human body. Concrete ones, we can slide along. These ones we go through like a cheese grater.
Maybe it's only a Biker,, but when we go through them, I would image blood and body parts would splatter over the cars in the oncoming lane.
Wouldn't be pleasant!

Name
New Plymouth

I wonder if BRONZ even batted an eyelid at the segment?

[Hitcher]

The email campaign is a great idea. As well as what has already been sent, could somebody please hunt out that European safety survey stuff that was posted some time ago and send that as well? (I would but can't use work's email for that sort of stuff).

Also, should Kiwibiker be volunteering a spokesperson to be interviewed on this matter?

[James Deuce]

The email campaign is a great idea. As well as what has already been sent, could somebody please hunt out that European safety survey stuff that was posted some time ago and send that as well? (I would but can't use work's email for that sort of stuff).

Also, should Kiwibiker be volunteering a spokesperson to be interviewed on this matter?

I vote for him wot said that.

[bugjuice]

The email campaign is a great idea. As well as what has already been sent, could somebody please hunt out that European safety survey stuff that was posted some time ago and send that as well? (I would but can't use work's email for that sort of stuff).

Also, should Kiwibiker be volunteering a spokesperson to be interviewed on this matter?
yeah, I was kind of thinking if they came back and said 'ok, lets interview you..'
On one hand, I wouldn't mind a go, but I'd just go bright red on camera and look stoopid. I'd like to be there, but I can't talk.. We should have someone just in case tho.. never know.. What about the KB god himself? spank..

[mikey]

DER CAMPBELL
i thought your show last night was maaaaaaarverlous, yes, maaaaaaaarvelous. but
YOUR barrier part was not the best.

they really restric my ability to overtake cars to "get out of danger" an stuff
yellow lines seem to be the go i think. i find it hard to believe peopel just fall asleep at the wheel or get distracted, its insurance fraud to get more money.
save money on wire, barriers, lazy road workers, leave the yellow lines as they are an lots eaasier to over take on .

cheers big ears. (literally)
maaaaaaaaaarvelously
mike

[gamgee]

not sure if it's been posted yet, but here is the email address:
campbelllive@tv3.co.nz

[madboy]

Good afternoon,

I imagine the reader of this e-mail is now well and truly aware of motorcyclists views toward the "cheesecutter" median barriers touted in such a positive light by Mr Campbell last night. I will not rehash what you must now be quite aware of.

What I would like to express is my disappointment in John Campbell. I hold him in high regard in respect of his journalistic talent, and that as a presenter. I suspect in this case he has been let down by his staff who researched (or didn't) this issue for him. While my overall impression of Mr Campbell remains high, this has cast an unavoidable shadow on my impression of the quality and balance of the show that bears his name.

I look forward to that balance returning.

[bugjuice]

not sure if it's been posted yet, but here is the email address:
campbelllive@tv3.co.nz
it has, but the more times it's posted, the less people have to look and the more chance peeps will email ;)

[riffer]

Email sent. It says pretty much what everyone else said. :yes:

[Waylander]

Dear John Campbell,

I watched your show last night about the steel cable barriers on the motorways. I have a question for you. Why is it that you can praise something that is so clearly dangerous? If a car hits it yea it will not go into oncoming traffic but will most likely be spun around and spit back into traffic. Also if a motorcyclist hits one of these he/she sill at a minimum be missing a limb and at worst be cut in half. Unless they are very very lucky and slide under neath the wires without hitting one of the posts. But then they are now laying on the road in the opposite lane. ACC has a great campaign for car safety but have next to nothing for motorcycle safety, yet motorcyclist pay higher levies.

You have a reputation for being a hard ball journalist, perhaps this is a good opportunity to live up to that reputation.

Edit: also sent to the cc recomended below.

[Devil]

Email sent. It says pretty much what everyone else said. :yes:
Ditto!
We need to make the most of this opportunity! Get in there people!

[gamgee]

waylander, sounds good, good point about the acc

[ManDownUnder]

Hey look what I found... someone to cc the email to :-)

hduynhoven@ministers.govt.nz

oh oh oh - did I mention he's the minister of Transport Safety?:whistle:

[GKTaylor]

Its lack of attention and concentration of drivers in NZ that is causing the accidents, make them drive slower NO, the concentration levels will drop, put them in a environment where they have no choice but to concentrate as if their life depended on it eg. a motorcycle, you don't get a second chance is most cases, so you drive like your life depends on it.
People drive safer, faster more comfortable cars with their radios and warm heaters - hardly surprising they choose to take risks they have 8 airbags, side intrusion beams, crumple zones and a comfortable seat to sit back and relax in.

Take the average kiwi car driver out of their comfortable environment and see how quick their atitude to road safety changes.

I drive/ride to survive

[bugjuice]

WL, sounds ok, but just double check what you've written. Proof read yourself before you email that off. It's all good, but just a couple of minors in there (might want to edit it before Hitcher gets it!)

I also commented on the ACC thing.. we pay more, cos they spend less on protecting us, so we get hurt more!

[Lou Girardin]

Now that the momentum is going. How about similar emails to Harry Duynhoven. Mention the possibility of charges of criminal nuisance to those responsible for these barriers in the event of a motorcyclists death from hitting one.

[ManDownUnder]

Now that the momentum is going. How about similar emails to Harry Duynhoven. Mention the possibility of charges of criminal nuisance to those responsible for these barriers in the event of a motorcyclists death from hitting one.

See post #49 - complete with his email addy..

good on ya!
MDU

[mikey]

hitcher for president.

[Waylander]

Oh hey perhaps someone should mention that this might be worth bringing up at the debate thing going on tonight?

[ALTRON]

'rope barriers' scare the crap out of me. Every time I go past them I try not to imagine getting torn to pieces if I were to crash into them (for some insane reason)
There's a set-up on the haywards hill here in Wellington. I take extra care when going that way.

[ManDownUnder]

Oh hey perhaps someone should mention that this might be worth bringing up at the debate thing going on tonight?

what debate thing?

[Waylander]

what debate thing?
Apparently he is having all the party leaders on to talk about the "big issues" or some such.

[ManDownUnder]

Apparently he is having all the party leaders on to talk about the "big issues" or some such.

OK Ta. I think there is a shit show of getting the effects of cheesecutter barriers in the m/c community discussed though...

Be nice to be proven wrong but hey..!
MDU

[Waylander]

Just heard. The debate thing isn't on till tomorrow night and they've allready filmed it. And now apparently TV3 is in the courts becouse they didn't include all the party leaders in on it lol.

[Drum]

Is anyone actually aware of a motorcyclist getting 'chopped to pieces' by a wire rope barrier in NZ? They have saved a lot of lives thats for sure. Someone mentioned that they are careful when riding around these barriers. That is one of the benefits of these barriers. The high number of posts that support the wire create an effect of increased speed in the peripheral vision of a motorist, the result being a subliminal desire to reduce speed (doesnt apply to everyone of course). It is also a proven fact that motorists slow down when there is a longitudinal hazard less than 1.5m from the edgeline. And yes, I did mean to say hazard, because thats what median barriers are. Its just that the barriers are intended to stop head on crashes, which inevitably have dire consequences. By the way, there are 5 'test levels' of barriers, the wire rope and standard 'w-section' being TL3. Concrete barriers are TL4 or 5 depending on height. TL4 and 5 have better resistance to heavy vehicles, TL 3 or less none at all. The TL is determined through standard tests, none of which include being hit by a motorcycle. A motorcyclist was beheaded by a w-section barrier on Auck's northern motorway a few years back, so dont think they are any better. Dont forget that median barriers also stop vehicles crossing into your path!

[Motu]

Marcus Lush is having a talk back about the road toll tonight on Radio Live - someone eloquent want to talk about cheesecutters.

Good post Drum,people are aware of them,and yes they stop cars coming into our lane....points everyone has missed.

[bugjuice]

I haven't missed that point.. I know damn well they work against traffic coming across into oncoming traffic. I've seen an 18-wheeler been cut down by that wire. Works amazingly well. And yes, given circumstances like this, people often slow down.

But cagers don't see this as being an immediate threat to them, cos they're in their nice warm safe cage. They also don't look around too well when changing lanes. So this means you being nice and safe and slow, going to overtake a slower person, but they decide to speed up and move lanes. Some times they just move over lanes for no reason.. anyway, if they move over and get you, you're the one being safe, yet you're still faced with these cheese cutters.. highly unlikely, but still.. what about slipping diesel or oil in the wet..?? I just don't like my chances..

[Drum]

Point taken bugjuice. What youre talking baout is 'recovery space'. This is the space available to road users (of all kinds) to avoid such dangerous manouvres by other motorists, or to regain control and renter the carriageway safely if you lose control. The fact is that these recovery spaces are pitiful on NZ's roads. Many of our roads were originally created to carry horses/ wagons etc and as such tend to be overly windy and narrow, with minimal/ no recovery space. New roads are designed differently in the main. Take a look at the motorway that was built between Auckland and Silverdale (finished in 1999). There are massive runoff areas to the sides (recovery space) and very few hazards within that area. While it would be great if all roads were like Alpurt (and in fact even a little better-dont get me started) few countries have the money to retrofit their roads to that standard. Transits standard runoff area is 9m from the edgeline in a 100km/h zone (with modifications for embankments etc). Adjacent to the median there should be a minimum of 2m, however they are still building roads that dont meet their own standards due to the cost. By the way, it is the bean counters and not the designers who are responsible for allocating funds. And it definately isnt the fault of the road workers!

[ZorsT]

this...

Dear the John Campbell Team.

I read (from the internet) in horror that from your article on rope barriors on motorways, people will assume that they are the safest, cheapest way to stop head-on collisions for all road users. While they are the cheapest way to stop a car crossing the centerline, they are not even slightly safe for motorcyclists. While the motorcycling community pays more ACC levys per vehicle, we get less protection with these "cheese grater" barriors that seem to be appearing left, right and center. The rope barriors will also cause cars to stop, and spin around. They will then be facing oncoming traffic.

While concrete barriors are not as cheap, i believe they are a better alternitive than the rope barriors because a car will slide along the barrior. Motorcyclists have a chance to survive a collision with a concrete barrior, a collision with a wire rope barrior would almost definatly result in death.

I trust that you will make it known to your viewers that these barriors are unsafe, for all vehicles involved.

Yours sincerely,

<my name here>

[raster]

SH 1 around Te Kauwhata has the cheese cutters on both sides of the lane, probly only 9 metres between them, a bike going over at that point has very little chance.

[Dadpole]

The wire barriers that will worry me is when they start putting them on corners as a "cheap" subsitute for a real barrier. Armco is bad enough, but given the choice between them .....
Mailed off my 10 cents worth:

To: campbelllive@tv3.co.nz
Subject: wire rope barriers

your show recently featured rope barriers in a positive light.
There is a movement in this country by motorcyclists to try to remove these barriers as high speed impact, or impact between the barriers and another vehicle has an interesting effect on the human body. This is to slice the body in a similar fashion to piano wire cheese cutters.
I, for one, am not keen to demonstrate this to passing motorists, and I do not think any other motorcyclists would be so.

Overseas studies have shown that wire rope barriers are only effective in certain locations, and are not a "cheap solution" as they appear to be viewed by NZ roading authorities

Regards
:devil2:

[raster]

The wire barriers that will worry me is when they start putting them on corners as a "cheap" subsitute for a real barrier. Armco is bad enough, but given the choice between them .....
Mailed off my 10 cents worth:


:devil2:

They have :mad: :mad:

[HDTboy]

yeah, I was kind of thinking if they came back and said 'ok, lets interview you..'
On one hand, I wouldn't mind a go, but I'd just go bright red on camera and look stoopid. I'd like to be there, but I can't talk.. We should have someone just in case tho.. never know.. What about the KB god himself? spank..
I could handle the cameras and lights, but I can't come up with good arguments if I'm put on the spot. I need time to think of the good replies

[Pixie]

yeah, I was kind of thinking if they came back and said 'ok, lets interview you..'
On one hand, I wouldn't mind a go, but I'd just go bright red on camera and look stoopid. I'd like to be there, but I can't talk.. We should have someone just in case tho.. never know.. What about the KB god himself? spank..
If you can do the bright red thing and wear a red glove under your nose, you could do a good Dr Zoidberg impression

[HDTboy]

Stolen from one of Bobs posts
http://www.fema.kaalium.com/crashbarrier/index.html

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry Drum, but after a driving/riding career of 38 years, only the last few involving median barriers, I'll take my chances with a head-on, rather than falling off for whatever reason and sliding towards a cheesecutter.
And, in case you're wondering, I have had a very close call with a car crossing the median at Mt Wellington pre concrete barriers.
I, for one, do not need extra hazards placed in my path in the name of 'safety'.

[bugjuice]

If you can do the bright red thing and wear a red glove under your nose, you could do a good Dr Zoidberg impression
lol.. I'll probably mumble like that too!

[Eurygnomes]

I've had training for presenting documentaries on screen...? Plus, with the added advantage of soon leaving the country for the forseeable future...I could (almost) get away with saying it 'as it is' rather than attempting to cover! :) Would like to get all facts under my belt first though - so would require support from a research team of KB'ers! :)

Has anyone actually received a response from the Campbell Live lot?

[Waylander]

I've had training for presenting documentaries on screen...? Plus, with the added advantage of soon leaving the country for the forseeable future...I could (almost) get away with saying it 'as it is' rather than attempting to cover! :) Would like to get all facts under my belt first though - so would require support from a research team of KB'ers! :)

Has anyone actually received a response from the Campbell Live lot?
Got that thing that I posted before. Not from Campbell but is a reply... [shrug]

[SARGE]

I've had training for presenting documentaries on screen...? Plus, with the added advantage of soon leaving the country for the forseeable future...I could (almost) get away with saying it 'as it is' rather than attempting to cover! :) Would like to get all facts under my belt first though - so would require support from a research team of KB'ers! :)

Has anyone actually received a response from the Campbell Live lot?


i did Radio in the States for a few decades.. pretty comfy in front of a mic / camera.. i'd give it a go i think if the need arose ( im a tatooed, one-eyed, bearded malcontent looking fuck though..)

[Eurygnomes]

Sounds as though the camera would LOVE you Sarge! :lol:

Whereas, I, am a contestant for Miss Universe. Not quite...I'm not that inane. *wonders who on this site she's offending*

Nah...I managed to get the whole 'sensible - but not white or red - starched shirt, good neckline, TV makeup' ensemble thing going on. Auditioned for a few doco's too, but the only one I wanted had a change of producer (science/medicine..Sir Robert Winstone has my job - but he's just keeping it warm for me) who wanted an older, more blokier presenter. Preferably, an old guy with glasses, a pocket protector and socks with sandals.

Sheesh - no wonder the public has such poor opinion of us scientists. I judged a school fair recently, turned up in my best shirt/skirt/tights/heels look (was on bike moments prior to that) and the kids all had to 'guess' what I'd look like. They thought I would be mid 40's, and what I described above. They giggled sheepishly when I finally went through to the class (feeling LIKE a Miss Universe contestant in comparison).

Back to the topic, Waylander - what response that you received?! :confused:

[Waylander]

Back to the topic, Waylander - what response that you received?! :confused:
Oops,:whistle: I posted it in the wrong thread. It's at the link below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=313636&postcount=169

[bugjuice]

Oops,:whistle: I posted it in the wrong thread. It's at the link below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=313636&postcount=169
might be passed on, but I wonder if you get the generic 'it's cheap and safe so drive a cage' response..

[SARGE]

Sounds as though the camera would LOVE you Sarge! :lol:



hey.. maybe i can just wear my Helmet, Ala : Ghost Rider (insert Darth Vader voice) ~pssshhhht~ i find your lack of common sense disturbing.... ~pssshhhht~ :Punk:

[bugjuice]

hey.. maybe i can just wear my Helmet, Ala : Ghost Rider (insert Darth Vader voice) ~pssshhhht~ i am not amused by your lack of common safety sense.. ~pssshhhht~ :Punk:
lamo... dare ya..

[Waylander]

might be passed on, but I wonder if you get the generic 'it's cheap and safe so drive a cage' response..
Then I'll just send back with the gas price hike and a few other more exphensive facts about cars including insurance and compare them to what it is on my bike. Then lets say it's cheaper to drive a car. And if they mean chaper for them I'll just make some reference that maybe they could afford it if government officials stopped lining thier pockets and cheating the public out of a decent quality of life.

[SARGE]

lamo... dare ya..


hehe.. you should see my helmet... :Punk:

[raster]

Oops,:whistle: I posted it in the wrong thread. It's at the link below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=313636&postcount=169

Got the exact same reply

[Hitcher]

Sheesh - no wonder the public has such poor opinion of us scientists.
Nothing a bit of coaching can't cure. Media coaching scientists is something that fills in some of my working hours...

[Pixie]

Oops,:whistle: I posted it in the wrong thread. It's at the link below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=313636&postcount=169
HARRY....I JUST DUMPED AN E-MAIL IN THE TRASH BIN

[Rincewind]

here is the shows homepage.. http://campbelllive.tv3.co.nz/
email them..let them know we are out here ... campbelllive@tv3.co.nz
Have e mailed J. C. myself too, thought it was very biased towards the car as per usual.
My opinion----don't let accountant's design road safety barriers...

Don't think he will take any notice though, the media are only interested in the negative aspects of motorcycling, the most probable outcome would be a show debating banning motorcyclists from using roads where this type of barrier was in operation "for our own safety"

[SARGE]

HARRY....I JUST DUMPED AN E-MAIL IN THE TRASH BIN



auntie helen supports Rap Festivals with the fuel taxes , Destiny says " kill the Fags", Nandor thinks we need organic food, even though it costs 3x as much, and gawd knows what the fuck Winston and Don are into..
:rofl:
P/T

/RANT
oh Great NZ government.. pray thee , save us from ourselves , as we are but mere children in the grand scheme of things and need to be told what to do, what to eat, who to follow and what to like..secure us in the great 4WD tin cages and deliver us from affordable options... put up Safety barriers that have the capability to kill and maim, and make the targets of thine CheseCutters pay for the privlege of being torn in half..make thine laws so vague and fuzzy that not even your police can understand them..... teach English as a second language and leave the native speakers behind in the schools.. tax our best and brightest to the point they fuck off to greener pastures and flood the nation with immigrant dole - blogging criminals and P addicts.. give us the ability to grow the best fruits, veggies and meats.,.. then sell it off overseas and price the B-Grade shit way over the budgets of the working class that helps build this great nation.. make the cost of living so high we cant afford to.

CAN I GET AN AMEN?

/endRANT


here's an idea .. instead of the cable barriers... lets line the Median strips and culverts with concertina razor wire and REALLY have some giggles..

[Waylander]

here's an idea .. instead of the cable barriers... lets line the Median strips and culverts with concertina razor wire and REALLY have some giggles..

Shh mate don't say that so loud... Government ears are listening.:whistle:

[Wolf]

Had to go up to Auckland last night to pick something up and through that narrow stretch with cheese-cutters on both sides I felt vulnerable even in the car. Thought the area around Rangiriri looked like a bloody mess - small wonder the locals want to arm themselves and march on the Beehive.

If this is the best our exorbitant ACC levies can get, then I think we should refuse to register our bikes untill something is done about it.

[SARGE]

has anyone got a reply from Campbell Live at all?.. seen it mmentioned on the show at all???...


didnt think so..

[Waylander]

has anyone got a reply from Campbell Live at all?.. seen it mmentioned on the show at all???...


didnt think so..
Might require someone to go and actually shove an email down JC's throught. I volanteer aslong as peaple supply me gas money to get there and back. Was about $80 ast time I went so 16 peaple at $5 each should do it lol. I'll even vid record it and post it if ya want.

[Lou Girardin]

I've sent a follow up email thanking them for their concern and commitment to balanced reporting. I finished by saying it seems that we have to watch Prime to see a biker friendly channel.

[Wolf]

I've sent a follow up email thanking them for their concern and commitment to balanced reporting. I finished by saying it seems that we have to watch Prime to see a biker friendly channel.
Sarcasm? Like they'll "get" it! You'll probably get a serious reply thanking you for your support of their show and saying how glad they are that you liked it. JC will get a swell(er/est) head at receiving more adoring fan mail...

[ManDownUnder]

has anyone got a reply from Campbell Live at all?.. seen it mmentioned on the show at all???...


didnt think so..

yeah but do you really expect anyone outside TV3 to influence, or even dictate programming.. (apart from the courts that is...)

[The Stranger]

Ok a bit slow to get back on to this one.
But your comment about BRONZ got me thinking, so I approached BRONZ about this.

Here is what I am told.
If you have ever seen an accident where someone has hit a concrete barrier it is often still carnage. My brother and I were the lucky ones travelling the other way once and would almost certainly been killed but for a concrete barrier. But what happened on the other side of the motorway was not good either.
The car which smashed into the barrier travelled into the middle lane on his side and took out 2 other cars in the process. These cars were subsequently hit by 2 other cars.

I was told that the wire barriers are designed to catch the cars and prevent this from happening.

BRONZ expressed their concerns to the LTSA (or whomever it is/was, he did say but these thing change too fast for me) but the LTSA argument was that it is better for the motorcyclist to not have a car cross into their lane or to be caught by a rebound as is often the case with the concrete barriers. Another factor in their thinking was that the incidence of motorcyclists hitting the barriers at all was extreemly low and in the case of the wire barriers there are no recorded cases in NZ.
Obviously that stat may be out of date at any time, but because of the low risk of hitting one of these things the LTSA believed that the potential benefits (head ons, rebounds) outweighed the negatives for motorcyclists.

Obviously BRONZ is not able to dictate govt policy, but they do participate and go into bat for us where they can so think seriously about the support you all offer.

The fee is but a component that BRONZ needs to function.
It falls to a small group of dedicated people whom are working hard for us all, so maybe some out there could turn up at the meetings and participate too.

[scumdog]

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Another factor in their thinking was that the incidence of motorcyclists hitting the barriers at all was extreemly low and in the case of the wire barriers there are no recorded cases in N

The fee is but a component that BRONZ needs to function.
It falls to a small group of dedicated people whom are working hard for us all, so maybe some out there could turn up at the meetings and participate too.

I think that factor re the lack of incidents of 'bikes hitting rope barriers in NZ had been brought up earlier (could have even been me - can't be naffed looking) and THAT is what the Gov't will take into account.

And yeah, I'm all for BRONZ, going strong here in Otago but a shame that raging apathy has reigned over the other branches in NZ.