Deliberately threatening/wreckless driving towards motorcyclists

[Normandy]

How much wrecks could a wrecker wreck if a wrecker could wreck wrecklessness?

Umad?

[zippy]

Hi there, thanks for viewing this thread.

Just the other day I was riding my 250cc motorbike in West Auckland. I had my partner on the back as she prefers to ride on the back instead of public transport.
We came to the red lights and I was in the left lane on a fairly busy Road.
It was one of those situations where in front of me in the same lane there was a car parked, so I needed to merge into the middle lane.
The problem is, I checked behind me and saw enough opening to pull into the middle lane, except the driver of the car behind me decided not to slow down in the slightest as he saw me moving into the middle lane, and almost hit me and my partner on the motorbike. He then followed SO CLOSE behind my motorbike for about 30 seconds that my partner said she could see him coming up close to her.

Is this common? I cant comprehend whats going through the minds of people like this. Even if I was in the wrong to pull into the lane too abruptly, surely you dont make a statement/take law into your own hand by threatening the life of 2 people on a motorbike right? Shouldnt this be considered something close to attempted murder? Anyone with half a brain knows if you hit two people on a motorbike going about 40-50kms could EASILY result in death, especially when the collision is caused from a car hitting you from behind and scooping up the people in front of the car. So how is this not some kind of classification for attempted murder? I tell you, I was so angry afterwards knowing my sweet little partner could have been gravely injured because this low life piece of shit antagonizing us.

Also, has anyone else experienced something like this? It seems like west Auckland has a pattern when it comes to degenerate scumbags who dont care about the wellbeing of others. I have friends from west Auckland, so am not saying it about everyone obviously. But I do notice a pattern that people are hostile and will almost deliberately go out of their way to put you in harms way at times.

So the situation here when is you merged you claimed you had enough space but the person decided not to slow down and almost hit you..that tells me straight away there was not sufficient space for you to have moved into there lane as you expected the traffic behind you to brake to slow down, if there was enough room then any driver should not of had to brake at all for anyone moving into there lane....They would have continued at there set speed and there would have been enough room and time for you accelerated to a normal speed.

Still it does not excuse the actions of the driver following close afterward deliberately but you obviously pissed him off and i can understand why.

As for attempted murder, to get all legally technical it would have to be proven the driver intended to murder you both, the fact they did not knock you off the bike despite having opportunity to do so shows they did not intend to murder you because why didn't they knock you off if that was the intention?

If they had indeed hit you unless they admitted the intention of knocking you off was to kill you both then worse case it would have been a conviction of death by dangerous driving.

However given your actions leading to the situation you may find a lack of sympathy on KB.

[James Deuce]

However given your actions leading to the situation you may find a lack of sympathy on KB.
That would have more to do with the "spelling" of reckless.

[scumdog]

That would have more to do with the "spelling" of reckless.

And here's me thinking he was indicating no crash had actually taken place...:msn-wink:

[The Baron]

Sadly this is more common than you think. Never force your right of way on a bike. Ride to survive not to be right or to win.
It is good that you are both OK and now that you know about this sort of driver treat them all as if they are out to get you.

[oneofsix]

So the situation here when is you merged you claimed you had enough space but the person decided not to slow down and almost hit you..
What a load of twaddle! even your reply shows you understand he made the change in front of the cage and all he needs is the room to do that, the reason why, if I can, I accelerate into the space in front of the car even if it means temporarily breaking the holy of holies speed limit. The driver, if he wasn't a self centered twat would have been aware of the parked car as and if he had been a good driver would have already been making allowances for that but instead he had a false sense of entitlement.



However given your actions leading to the situation you may find a lack of sympathy on KB.
:yes: you just had it.

One in about 100 drivers are like what was described but they affect you and other road users so much it seems like it is every second driver. Had one myself this morning, determined to force the traffic to his idea of the correct speed even though it was below the limit and then the prat runs a red! FFS

[FJRider]

Just the other day I was riding my 250cc motorbike in West Auckland.

Ahhhhh ... I see your problem ...

[pzkpfw]

Where two lanes become one, it's not expected that one lane stops. It's called merging and the vehicles in the lane being merged into ought to be making it easier and safer.

As long as the bike did it sensibly (e.g. indicated long enough, matched speed well enough, etc.) the car ought not to have caused any trouble.

(
It's always a balls-up here. Plenty of cars just don't want to let you change lane, whether you are in a car or on a bike. So instead of smoothly changing lane, you have to keep an eye out for the occasional gaps that come along. (I once got a ticket for not indicating 3 seconds for a lane change, because when a huge gap appeared (and after I did a head check for lane splitting bikes; which I keep an eye out for with my mirrors also) I went for it with only 2 seconds indicating.)

Motorway entrances are the worst. Plenty of them here are such (tight un-cambered curve in front, very short straight) that in my car it's hard to get to the motorway doing 100 km/h unless I thrash it hard. I hate the people that try to merge at 20 km/h less than the motorway traffic, but can't really blame them all.

If I'm the vehicle on the motorway and I see a vehicle merging on, and I judge its speed and position such that I think it'll get to the motorway ahead of me, I'll slow down a little to "let it in". That's my responsibility. (It used to even say so in the road code). Trouble is, those mergers are so used to not being let in, they sometimes see me and panic and slow down to give way to me (even if they are ahead of me and doing a good speed). Then we're both slowing down, and the merging point is approaching. Flippin' frustrating. And I don't think the answer is to always just ignore the merging people and think "though sh*t" for them. That's not how it's supposed to work.
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[Oakie]

More information needed. When you say 'parked', was the guy in front actually parked or just stopped in the lane for the lights. Did you indicate and if so, for three seconds and was there really enough room infront of the car for a reasonable lane change. I'd really need to see your actions before judging his. So I'm not judging...

[Gianz]

So the situation here when is you merged you claimed you had enough space but the person decided not to slow down and almost hit you..that tells me straight away there was not sufficient space for you to have moved into there lane as you expected the traffic behind you to brake to slow down, if there was enough room then any driver should not of had to brake at all for anyone moving into there lane....They would have continued at there set speed and there would have been enough room and time for you accelerated to a normal speed.

Still it does not excuse the actions of the driver following close afterward deliberately but you obviously pissed him off and i can understand why.

As for attempted murder, to get all legally technical it would have to be proven the driver intended to murder you both, the fact they did not knock you off the bike despite having opportunity to do so shows they did not intend to murder you because why didn't they knock you off if that was the intention?

If they had indeed hit you unless they admitted the intention of knocking you off was to kill you both then worse case it would have been a conviction of death by dangerous driving.

However given your actions leading to the situation you may find a lack of sympathy on KB.

what a load of bullshit and misspelling.
brakes are made to be used. if you see a driver on the left line having the way cut off by a parked car, you should allow enough room for him to merge.
for the OP: get used, Auckland is one of the worst places I have ever ridden. I have seen more intrinsecally dangerous places expecially in southern europe and asia, where people are much more friendly and aware of what's going on around them.

[Katman]

I'm starting to think that hazards like this should be deliberately introduced into the motorcycle license process.

If you cry, you fail.

[Phantom Limb]

Chalk it up as a learning experience and get back on your bike. Things like this happen every second day to me in West Aucks, the only diffference is my steed has enough go to launch into gaps without being a rolling road block. A GN250 with two bums on board trying to get back into moving (unsympathetic) westie traffic doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of doing so without getting some kind of reaction.
Pretend that every other driver on the road is an absolute muffjuggling twat that is out to kill you, in fact don't pretend.

[oneofsix]

I'm starting to think that hazards like this should be deliberately introduced into the motorcycle license process.

If you cry, you fail.

yeah, but instead the system tells the newbie that if they indicate the following driver must give them room - yeah right. New concept - share the road.

[Tigadee]

Monday evening on the way home, I had a bitch in a Peugeot in front and to the right of me swing into my lane without indicating, even though I was a car length behind her and clearly visible in her side mirror. And this was a white Kiwi woman, not Asian! But I had my eye on her (and every other vehicle) already so I was prepared to slow down and evade.

I was also prepared a little later on when turning off the motorway, and this same cow cuts into my lane after realising that she was supposed to turn off the motorway too (again without indicating). I wasn't surprised by now, but just :facepalm:.

[gijoe1313]

I figure that putting your own safety first and being a bit more patient for that larger gap would be the better option. Depending on others to "do the right thing" is putting your own well being at risk. I know when I have a pillion on board, I make an even greater allowance for variables such as stopping distance, braking more earlier to not have the pillion shunt into you, etc.

Sure, doesn't excuse the behaviour of the motorist, but you do have to take in the big picture and remember you are always reliant on yourself, for your own safety!

Suck it up, learn from this and get out there and make sure you keep it safe! :yes:

[arcane12]

More information needed. When you say 'parked', was the guy in front actually parked or just stopped in the lane for the lights. Did you indicate and if so, for three seconds and was there really enough room infront of the car for a reasonable lane change. I'd really need to see your actions before judging his. So I'm not judging...

I would have to agree, a bit more information would be nice. I'd hate to go off all half-cocked about a situation I did not understand fully. :innocent:

So anyway, were the car stopped in the left lane for the red light, or were they parked on the side of the road? Plus the car that tailgated you - was it in the left lane behind you, and didn't slow down when you were looking for room to change, or was he in the middle lane and failed to adjust his driving once you had moved into the gap? Paint us a picture with your words. :cool:

One thing that does throw me the first few times in Auckland is the places where there are two lanes, but the left one also has parking spots. Suddenly you go from a narrow lane to something that would make me uncomfortable to fit my bike in, let alone a car. I mean, I like it tight, but that is pushing it! :shifty:

Anyway it's good to hear you at least made it out of there physically undamaged. :niceone:

[SMOKEU]

That reminds me of the time that a crazy black African woman tried to run me over. I've had nightmares ever since.

[caseye]

You mean she didnt do it? Thats it, I'm not paying her!
OK, well OP, welcome to West Dorkland. They drive like maniacs all over Auckland but they have special dispensation to drive out west.
Like the others here, I'm glad you and your girl got through the ordeal unscathed.
But, you must take responsibility for yourself and or your pillion at all times when on a bike.
Being right, battered, bruised or worse is not an option.
Sounds like you did the right things, but that doesn't stop some dickheads from continuing to be dickheads.
Next time and THERE WILL be a next time, make sure you and yours are safe, first and foremost, don't go off half cocked at other motorists particularly if your'e on a bike, much smaller target and so vulnerable to cages and their controllers.
So, watch well,learn when and how and most importantly live long enough to become a nuisance to your kids.:grouphug:

[Glowerss]

I'm not really sure what all the Whingeing is about Auckland drivers. Been here a few years now, and after doing a lot of commuting, including 9 months on the bike, and in truth I haven't seen much of anything that would indicate to me everyone is a homicidal manianc. I live about as far west as you can get and not be in the Waitaks as well.

In truth, compared to a huge part of the world, Auckland, and indeed NZ drivers, are actually quite good. Certainly, ya'll are a much better bunch of drivers then I left back home. Every now and then somebody does something mildly silly, but certainly nothing to get yer knickers all in a bunch.

Only problem with NZ drivers as a whole, is I've never met such a bunch of slow, law abiding ninnines in my life. Everybody doing 90kph on an open motorway at 11 at night. Speed limits 100 people, the cop isn't going to pull you over for doing the indicated speed limit i promise :weird:

[Tigadee]

Only problem with NZ drivers as a whole, is I've never met such a bunch of slow, law abiding ninnines in my life. Everybody doing 90kph on an open motorway at 11 at night. Speed limits 100 people, the cop isn't going to pull you over for doing the indicated speed limit i promise

:killingme Heh!

[FROSTY]

I'm guessing you worked out OP that what you did was stupid.You placed your life and the life of your passenger at risk.
Expecting other road users to react fast enough to avoid hitting you when you swerve in front of their vehicle is just asking for trouble.
No Im not a "riding god" that never makes mistakes but I sure as heck don't go blaming other road users when I screw it up.

[Maha]

Thread deletion required

Thread deletion is just wreckless, I mean reckless behaviour..besides, threads can't be deleted, they get....moved :msn-wink:

[James Deuce]

Well there was certainly no wreck.

[arcane12]

Thread deletion is just wreckless, I mean reckless behaviour..besides, threads can't be deleted, they get....moved :msn-wink:

Or you just post a thank you reply, and hope the thread dies a death onto page 2+ once you realise you have had your fill of all the helpful advice! :psst:

[f2dz]

what a load of bullshit and misspelling.
brakes are made to be used. if you see a driver on the left line having the way cut off by a parked car, you should allow enough room for him to merge.
for the OP: get used, Auckland is one of the worst places I have ever ridden. I have seen more intrinsecally dangerous places expecially in southern europe and asia, where people are much more friendly and aware of what's going on around them.

Now I'm not one to be a spelling Nazi, quite the opposite, but you really shouldn't call someone's account of a situation bullshit and insult their spelling when yours isn't any better.



I'm not really sure what all the Whingeing is about Auckland drivers. Been here a few years now, and after doing a lot of commuting, including 9 months on the bike, and in truth I haven't seen much of anything that would indicate to me everyone is a homicidal manianc.

Pretty much. If you think Auckland drivers are bad you probably don't ride defensively enough.

In response to the OP, it sounds like you should have waited for that car to pass before moving into the other lane. If he was tailgating you for 30 seconds or more, with a passenger on the back, it might have paid to have pulled over and let him pass, if it was safe to do so. That's not to say he was in the right but it's not really worth both your lives over.

[jasonu]

That reminds me of the time that a crazy black African woman tried to run me over. I've had nightmares ever since.

Did you put a tire on her neck and light it?

[skippa1]

Did you put a tire on her neck and light it?

encouraging people to smoke is wreckless

[SMOKEU]

Did you put a tire on her neck and light it?

No, but in hindsight I should have.

[Marmoot]

what a load of bullshit and misspelling.

Nek minnit....



brakes are made to be used. if you see a driver on the left line having the way cut off by a parked car, you should allow enough room for him to merge.
for the OP: get used, Auckland is one of the worst places I have ever ridden. I have seen more intrinsecally dangerous places expecially in southern europe and asia, where people are much more friendly and aware of what's going on around them.

[zippy]

what a load of bullshit and misspelling.



My post was 0230 in the morning during a night shift having worked 6 of them already, so a couple of typo's could be expected.

[Normandy]

Thread deletion is just wreckless, I mean reckless behaviour..besides, threads can't be deleted, they get....moved :msn-wink:

Really? One word is misspelt, and you milk it like an idiot? A W is placed at the front of "reckless" and its such an almighty mistake, and a measurement of retardation, that you thought you'd dedicate your time to pointing it out over and over again?

Grow up, loser


Its a little contradictory when you attempt to prove intellectual superiority by posting like an autist.

[Normandy]

"Hey guys, he said wreckless instead of reckless. Hhahahahahah guys its sooo funny. Btw im 40 years old, single and incredibly alone, with over 11 thousand posts on this website.. WRECKLESS!"

[Maha]

Really? One word is misspelt, and you milk it like an idiot? A W is placed at the front of "reckless" and its such an almighty mistake, and a measurement of retardation, that you thought you'd dedicate your time to pointing it out over and over again?

Grow up, loser


Its a little contradictory when you attempt to prove intellectual superiority by posting like an autist.

Think you'll find that I personally, only pointed it out the once ...you second faux pas was to call for thread deletion, instead of standing by what you posted....oh bother, I pointed it out yet again

[Normandy]

Well there was certainly no wreck.

Just edited the spelling mistakes out of the title and thread contents.

What better way to make insecure internet dwelling low lives feel even more inadequate, then to point out your own insignificant spelling mistake.

But thanks for derailing the thread anyway.

12 thousand posts? I can see you're the loud mouth who loves to post all day every day like an idiot. Where do you get time to ACTUALLY ride your bike? Yea, thought so.

I guess when I come to shave THOUSANDS of hours off my life from posting online like a dickhead everyday, I will have respect from fellow basement dwellers.

[Katman]

Its a little contradictory when you attempt to prove intellectual superiority by posting like an autist.

Leave Mark's painting ability (or lack of it) out of this.

[Normandy]

Think you'll find that I personally, only pointed it out the once ...you second faux pas was to call for thread deletion, instead of standing by what you posted....oh bother, I pointed it out yet again

The thing is. What makes you think I coudlnt have just corrected the mistake in the title "wreckless" by hitting advanced options in edit? Nah, I decided I would kill the thread. After getting replies back from idiots who spot out silly single mistakes, derailing the thread and disregarding the actual content, Ive decided this website isnt for me. I think I might... hmm... ACTUALLY RIDE MY BIKE...

I must have hit a nerve with all "da westies"

Degenerates

[Katman]

The thing is. What makes you think I coudlnt have just corrected the mistake in the title "wreckless" by hitting advanced options in edit? Nah, I decided I would kill the thread. After getting replies back from idiots who spot out silly single mistakes, derailing the thread and disregarding the actual content, Ive decided this website isnt for me. I think I might... hmm... ACTUALLY RIDE MY BIKE...

I must have hit a nerve with all "da westies"

Degenerates

I think I'm going to have fun with you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That reminds me of the time that a crazy black African woman tried to run me over. I've had nightmares ever since.

If you promise a woman an orgasm, make sure you can deliver.

[Gremlin]

Nah, I decided I would kill the thread. After getting replies back from idiots who spot out silly single mistakes, derailing the thread and disregarding the actual content, Ive decided this website isnt for me. I think I might... hmm... ACTUALLY RIDE MY BIKE...

I must have hit a nerve with all "da westies"

Degenerates
I suspect it's only just getting started :corn:

[FJRider]

Just edited the spelling mistakes out of the title and thread contents.

What better way to make insecure internet dwelling low lives feel even more inadequate, then to point out your own insignificant spelling mistake.

But thanks for derailing the thread anyway.

12 thousand posts? I can see your the loud mouth who loves to post all day every day like an idiot. Where do you get time to ACTUALLY ride your bike?

hahahahaah

But HE doesn't ride like a NOOB ... and when you clock up as many miles on the road as he HAS ... perhaps YOU may be able to post such comments with some degree of truth.

On the road is where it matters ... one day you may have the experience to be qualified to judge his online "persona" ...

I hope it comes soon ... because NOOB's need to learn ... because "Biker Down" threads piss me off.

Don't be be the subject of one.

[FJRider]

I think I'm going to have fun with you.

All that RED rep indicators are just bait ... Down hill (for him) from here ...

Might have a bit of fun myself ... whats he gunna do ... red rep me ... :killingme

[Mom]

If you cry, you fail.

Dont take risks, or if you do, face the consequences. Man, I have made a few dumb moves since I have been a bit of a bike commuter. Usually I wave and everything is ok. Only once someone took exception (to a move I would have no problem repeating I might add) but boy have I seen some fuckt manouvers by bikers in the shitty city.


Next time and THERE WILL be a next time, make sure you and yours are safe, first and foremost, don't go off half cocked at other motorists particularly if your'e on a bike, much smaller target and so vulnerable to cages and their controllers.
So, watch well,learn when and how and most importantly live long enough to become a nuisance to your kids.:grouphug:

I wont place myself in danger as a rule. I am far too important. I will happily own being a nana, non risk taking commuter. I dont dive in front of cars as I see so many do. I wait and am generally let in. I filter, and heaven help me, use the median strips to get ahead in traffic, but I do it at a slow clip and dont make anyone brake for me. I am treated with respect, and I always thank my other road users with a wave.


Its a little contradictory when you attempt to prove intellectual superiority by posting like an autist.

Do you have issues with people on the spectrum then? Be prepared for a rough journey on here. I think it was more of a good natured leg pulling myself, by hey I am a waster of time and life too judging by my post count.


then to point out your own insignificant spelling mistake.

You are so lucky the BDOTGNZA are not as active as they used to be.

:laugh:

[scissorhands]

Its a little contradictory when you attempt to prove intellectual superiority by posting like an autist.

autists cant help it
you seem like a different person now from the first post? more nimble and shore feeted?

[Normandy]

All that RED rep indicators are just bait ... Down hill (for him) from here ...

Might have a bit of fun myself ... whats he gunna do ... red rep me ... :killingme

:violin: Negative feedback? Oh no! What have I done! :violin:

[Mom]

I suspect it's only just getting started :corn:

Dont encourage him, or do? Hard call. It has been ages since we have had fun with an opinionated newbie :yes:

[Normandy]

autists cant help it
you seem like a different person now from the first post? more nimble and shore feeted?

Isnt the correct grammar "shore footed"?

Just playing :bleh:

[FJRider]

:violin: Negative feedback? Oh no! What have I done! :violin:

Does anybody care ... ??

[Katman]

:violin: Negative feedback? Oh no! What have I done! :violin:

It's not so bad.

[Mom]

Degenerates

I think you should start a goodbye KB thread. Everyone that gets pissed off by us does :corn:

[FJRider]

Dont encourage him, or do? Hard call. It has been ages since we have had fun with an opinionated newbie :yes:


Opinionated newbie's are fun .. They either give back (with interest) ... or fuck off. <_<

I'm betting on the latter ... :wait:

[FJRider]

Degenerates

Flattery gets you nowhere here ... :msn-wink:

[FJRider]

Isnt the correct grammar "shore footed"?

Just playing :bleh:

I'm sure it's SURE footed ... but I may be wrong ... (I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken)

So ... English YOUR second language eh ... ???

[James Deuce]

I'm sure it's SURE footed ... but I may be wrong ... (I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken)

So ... English YOUR second language eh ... ???

Judging by current performance, I'd say both not and locally educated.

[FJRider]

"Hey guys, he said wreckless instead of reckless. Hhahahahahah guys its sooo funny. Btw im 40 years old, single and incredibly alone, with over 11 thousand posts on this website.. WRECKLESS!"

So you own a dictionary ... but those red bars below your Username means your ability to have another members Reputation points deducted, has been REMOVED. :bleh:

Any attempt (by YOU) to then have Reputation points removed from another member ... is entirely laughable ... :laugh:

But thankyou for trying ... :wings:

[FJRider]

Judging by current performance, I'd say both not and locally educated.

The original post on the subject/area of "West Auckland" ... still possible ... :devil2:

[Virago]

Wow. It's been a while since I've seen someone with that much wred wrep...

[FJRider]

Wow. It's been a while since I've seen someone with that much wred wrep...

Look again tomorrow ...

[scumdog]

Now here's something for the books - Normandy hasn't made any friends yet.

Whould a thunk it??:confused:

[FJRider]

Now here's something for the books - Normandy hasn't made any friends yet.

Whould a thunk it??:confused:

I was going to send a friendship request to him ... but I thought he might be overawed by my reputation :innocent:

So I refrained from doing so ... :shifty:

Life is tough for us senior members ... :blank:

[scissorhands]

he doesnt seem like a friend making sort of guy, but looks can be deceiving

[FJRider]

he doesnt seem like a friend making sort of guy, but looks can be deceiving

Yamaha riders eh ... :laugh:


Oh Wait ... :shit:

[madandy]

I wonder if Normandy is a true noob or a former Kber returned to stir the pot (again?)
Questions asked about Crc 5.56 on brake pads and pulling out in front of moving car makes one wonder how genuine the equireies are :rolleyes:

[Tigadee]

Reading through thread:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg

[nzspokes]

Dont ride 2 up with L plates on still. :facepalm:

[Maha]

Dont ride 2 up with L plates on still. :facepalm:

...and he rides a (albeit not vey good) 'Yamaha scorpio 250cc'....they must be outragously better than the normal 225cc version?

[caseye]

The thing is. What makes you think I coudlnt have just corrected the mistake in the title "wreckless" by hitting advanced options in edit? Nah, I decided I would kill the thread. After getting replies back from idiots who spot out silly single mistakes, derailing the thread and disregarding the actual content, Ive decided this website isnt for me. I think I might... hmm... ACTUALLY RIDE MY BIKE...

I must have hit a nerve with all "da westies"

Degenerates

Can I take it that the above underlined and emboldened text is a fair and accurate assessment of your intentions?
:violin:

[Fatjim]

After spending a week or two in SE Asia I can confidently say that Kiwi drivers are the worst I've seen anywhere, and Vietnamese are the safest in the world (That I have traveled to).