Stupid rider sought in Taranaki

[MyGSXF]

With shit like this happening no wonder motorcyclists get a bad rap!! <_<



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8020387/Taranaki-police-hunting-for-elusive-bikie

silly cow deserves a bullet! :ar15::thud:

[nodrog]

Fucken choice!

[FJRider]

It's an "Older model" Ducati ... it can't have gone far .. <_<

[scumdog]

With shit like this happening no wonder motorcyclists get a bad rap!! <_<



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8020387/Taranaki-police-hunting-for-elusive-bikie

silly cow deserves a bullet! :ar15::thud:

Like the riding & crashing I saw earlier this week - we are our own worst enemy.

Enjoy.:angry:

[Ocean1]

Stupid rider sought in Taranaki

What, there's a shortage all of a sudden?

[FJRider]

What, there's a shortage all of a sudden?

There's no shortage of them ... they're breeding them now ... :facepalm:

[carver]

kinda hot if it is a woman doing it dont ya think

[scumdog]

kinda hot if it is a woman doing it dont ya think

Yeah, your mother ??

[GSF]

kinda hot if it is a woman doing it dont ya think

What if she's a total swamp pig and can't even ride that well, just hammers it on the straights and goes all squiddly on the bends?

Plus if she stacked it at 170 klick it's hard to be foxy when your brains are coming out your nose and all your organs are no longer in their right places.

[MIXONE]

Fuck now I'm going to have to paint it red...

[Virago]

What if she's a total swamp pig and can't even ride that well, just hammers it on the straights and goes all squiddly on the bends?...

Good point. Where is Crazyhorse these days?

[Madness]

I wonder if in fact it was a blue Hyosung? :facepalm:

[Edbear]

I wonder if in fact it was a blue Hyosung? :facepalm:

Did you not read the bit about upwards of 170km/h? :shutup:

[Big Dave]

>>put at risk school buses<<

SOMEBODY thought of the children.

[Madness]

Did you not read the bit about upwards of 170km/h? :shutup:

Yes, I did. (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Hyosung/Hyosung-GT650-Comet-2004---current-/) They're probably still on the run after smashing wing mirrors off cars by accident on the NW yesterday.

[Howie]

Plus if she stacked it at 170 klick it's hard to be foxy when your brains are coming out your nose and all your organs are no longer in their right places.

so in your eyes crashing at 170 equals your organs not in the right place, and loss of brains??

I think that is being a bit emotive, and buying into the whole speed kills thing.

I know for a fact that you can drop a bike at speeds in excess of that mention, and basically walk away from it having been there done that. No broken bones, a bit of soft tissue injury, and fairly bruised.

I do however agree that speeds like that are probably not a good idea on NZ's public road network in most areas.

[BigAl]

Only 170k she can't have even been trying, way to go girl!:Punk:

[scumdog]

I know for a fact that you can drop a bike at speeds in excess of that mention, and basically walk away from it having been there done that. No broken bones, a bit of soft tissue injury, and fairly bruised.



As long as you don't hit a power-pole, tree, gate-post, armco barrier, other vehicle etc you might be able to walk away...maybe...

"Do you feel lucky punk"?

[GSF]

so in your eyes crashing at 170 equals your organs not in the right place, and loss of brains??

I think that is being a bit emotive, and buying into the whole speed kills thing.

I know for a fact that you can drop a bike at speeds in excess of that mention, and basically walk away from it having been there done that. No broken bones, a bit of soft tissue injury, and fairly bruised.



You can bin it at 170 klick on a racetrack and that's sweet. Lots of run-off, some sand or dirt, no "road furniture", go for a little slide on your tortoise shell.

If you stacked it at 170 plus on an open road and you apparently walked away from it, you lucked the fuck out. You didn't hit an Armco, you didn't hit a fencepost, or a tree, or a car, or go underneath an oncoming vehicle.

Human beings are very fragile, especially when they hit something hard at speed/get hit by something hard travelling at speed. I got to learn this back in January when I got to sit with a man on the side of the road as he died due to massive head and internal injuries. It's an unpleasant experience but very enlightening re: how bad you can get fucked up, 'cause he was not looking pretty.

Also, consider this. You are driving in your car, on the open road. You are struck head on, or in the side, by a 200kg metal two-wheeled object travelling at 170km/h. There's a good chance that the car occupant could end up dead or real fucked up too. A bike at that speed is a fucking missile.


I do however agree that speeds like that are probably not a good idea on NZ's public road network in most areas.

Are you like the Grand High Master of Understatement or something? Or just stupid?

[Howie]

As long as you don't hit a power-pole, tree, gate-post, armco barrier, other vehicle etc you might be able to walk away...maybe...

"Do you feel lucky punk"?

Don't need to feel lucky, my current ride runs out of go before 160 on it's standard gearing.

Actually is more the implied message that speed is the be all and end all of causing injury. When many serious injures can occur at much lower speeds, and those areas should have just as much focus on them, but unfortunatly it seems like it is to difficult to do more than attack speed.

[BigAl]

As long as you don't hit a power-pole, tree, gate-post, armco barrier, other vehicle etc you might be able to walk away...maybe...

"Do you feel lucky punk"?

If you hit any of the above at more than 60k you're pretty well stuffed anyway so might as well add another hundy on.

[Subike]

Way to go girl!!:Punk:
Sorry P C people, but fuck yeah!

[Brian d marge]

How do we know its a woman ? I mean I can't tell even when they area a yard in front and walking
And 170 , would someone think of the poor man in front with the red flag.....he's never run so fast in all his life

Stephen

[Howie]

You can bin it at 170 klick on a racetrack and that's sweet. Lots of run-off, some sand or dirt, no "road furniture", go for a little slide on your tortoise shell.

If you stacked it at 170 plus on an open road and you apparently walked away from it, you lucked the fuck out. You didn't hit an Armco, you didn't hit a fencepost, or a tree, or a car, or go underneath an oncoming vehicle.

My one was on a closed urban road, complete with curbing, lamposts, and buildings with no protection 10 feet from the road, on a circut no longer used. No tortoise shells required back then, in fact if you wanted one you imported it at high cost.



Human beings are very fragile, especially when they hit something hard at speed/get hit by something hard travelling at speed. I got to learn this back in January when I got to sit with a man on the side of the road as he died due to massive head and internal injuries. It's an unpleasant experience but very enlightening re: how bad you can get fucked up, 'cause he was not looking pretty

That we are, and have seen the end results of a workmate hitting a u turning car at 50k on a recently restored Norton, was not pretty (he did recover eventually), but then he was doing the speed limit so you can't blame speed.



Also, consider this. You are driving in your car, on the open road. You are struck head on, or in the side, by a 200kg metal two-wheeled object travelling at 170km/h. There's a good chance that the car occupant could end up dead or real fucked up too. A bike at that speed is a fucking missile.

So far in over 30 years on the road I am yet to hit another moving vehicle, it's called driving to the conditions, being aware of where you are and concentrating on what you are doing.




Are you like the Grand High Master of Understatement or something? Or just stupid?

You decide:innocent:

[FJRider]

How do we know its a woman ? I mean I can't tell even when they area a yard in front and walking

Stephen

I think it's time you went to Spec Savers ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

With shit like this happening no wonder motorcyclists get a bad rap!! <_<

silly cow deserves a bullet! :ar15::thud:

Was anyone hurt? Go GIRL!

"Silly cow deserves a bullet"? So the same goes for you next time you speed too then?

[carburator]

given that in the naki long hair, hanging out of a helmet does'nt automaticly equal a bird..

given that certain group rides in auckland achieve that speed what are you all
moaning about..

[FJRider]

given that in the naki long hair, hanging out of a helmet does'nt automaticly equal a bird..

given that certain group rides in auckland achieve that speed what are you all
moaning about..

Her spectacular tit's may have been the giveaway ... :innocent:

[Berries]

Plus if she stacked it at 170 klick it's hard to be foxy when your brains are coming out your nose and all your organs are no longer in their right places.
But she didn't did she.

[FJRider]

But she didn't did she.

Depending on where you leave the road ... 170 k's can send you a fair distance from the road.

Not finding her .. doesn't mean that didn't happen ...

[Road kill]

So the Gov't/Coppers miss out on a bit of cash for their little easy money industry,,plus they got out run by a girl on an old bike.

How sad,,never mind:violin:

[scumdog]

So the Gov't/Coppers miss out on a bit of cash for their little easy money industry,,plus they got out run by a girl on an old bike.

How sad,,never mind:violin:

Never mind alright - they'll just pick on some other poor loser and get their $$ that way...

[Tryhard]

kinda hot if it is a woman doing it dont ya think

In a Trinity Matrix kinda way?

[strandedinnz]

I always smile when I see incidents of speeding on the news here in NZ ... in Europe/UK, doing 160kph was called "going to work", here it gets you on TV! :-)

The police were never too bothered about people speeding, if they saw it was just everyone was flowing in the traffic well all good, it was the muppets doing the silly buggers they were interested in, but I hear with those sneaky average speed calculating cameras things have changed up there.

Still, down here the urge to try to push my eyes into the back of my skull has faded, and I prefer a modest zoom about on the windy roads and to look at the pretty scenery and people ... though I did still pick a bike that rattles windows as it goes past ;-)

[Whynot]

I'm stupid, but not in Taranaki? does that count?

[FJRider]

So the Gov't/Coppers miss out on a bit of cash for their little easy money industry,,plus they got out run by a girl on an old bike.

How sad,,never mind:violin:

It's Taranaki ... plenty more idiots will come along soon ...

[ellipsis]

...i think focus should be diverted from this obviously cold trail...I saw another one on SH75...of all places...I couldn't see if his tits were obvious or if her balls were hangin out but I think we need to get out there and find IT...IT was riding an orange or blue Italian or Japanese sports bike...IT was really going fast about 170ks...maybe it was a Sportster or a CBR250R...I'm totally aghast and horrified...where is RC when you need him...it could have been a CBX550...

[scumdog]

...i think focus should be diverted from this obviously cold trail...I saw another one on SH75...of all places...I couldn't see if his tits were obvious or if her balls were hangin out but I think we need to get out there and find IT...IT was riding an orange or blue Italian or Japanese sports bike...IT was really going fast about 170ks...maybe it was a Sportster or a CBR250R...I'm totally aghast and horrified...where is RC when you need him...it could have been a CBX550...


Are you drunk?

[ellipsis]

Are you drunk?

...no...just normal...I do have the ammunition here but our daughter is getting married tomorrow...gotta behave, be cool and be there...what's it matter to you anyway, haven't you got enough to ponder...

[scumdog]

...no...just normal...I do have the ammunition here but our daughter is getting married tomorrow...gotta behave, be cool and be there...what's it matter to you anyway, haven't you got enough to ponder...

I need to have stuff to ponder???:blink:

But good luck with the weather and wedding, I hope they're both good.:niceone:

[mashman]

Find the bitch, blackmail her for sex and then shop her when she gets clingy... she's askin for it.

[MyGSXF]

"Silly cow deserves a bullet"? So the same goes for you next time you speed too then?

Not interesting in speeding.. coz I don't have a small penis to compensate for, or a self enflated ego to stroke (with the left hand!!) :tugger:

I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies. We don't have anything to prove to anyone & we don't give a flying fu*k what anyone thinks of us either!! :finger:

Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence..I choose
to do stuff like that when I have the desire to do so.. in the right environment for it..the track! 200k on the straight. 900CBR Fireblade :love:

(PS: before ya get ya knickers in a twist here.. read post #53)

The rider in the article is a just a total farking prat riding on the road like that! :bash: & the bike should be used as the bonfire starter for New Years eve! :drinkup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not interesting in speeding.. coz I don't have a small penis to compensate for, or a self enflated ego to stroke (with the left hand!!) :tugger:

I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies. We don't have anything to prove to anyone & we don't give a flying fu*k what anyone things of us either!! :finger:

Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence..I choose
to do stuff like that when I have the desire to do so.. in the right environment for it..the track! 200k on the straight. 900CBR Fireblade :love:

The rider in the article rider is a just a total farking prat riding on the road! :bash:& the bike should be used as the bonfire starter for New Years eve! :drinkup:

Fuck you're full of yourself. Probably find the 'chick' that did the runner has skills you're still wanking of having. "Instructors Endorsement" be fucked. Tell me what makes you such a fucking "expert" when it comes to riding motorcycles?

[ajturbo]

Way to go girl!!:Punk:
Sorry P C people, but fuck yeah!

Im with you on this...!!!:Punk:

[skippa1]

Fuck you're full of yourself. Probably find the 'chick' that did the runner has skills you're still wanking of having. "Instructors Endorsement" be fucked. Tell me what makes you such a fucking "expert" when it comes to riding motorcycles?

and so say all of us.....bling for you Pete

[\m/]

Not interesting in speeding.. coz I don't have a small penis to compensate for, or a self enflated ego to stroke (with the left hand!!) :tugger:

I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies. We don't have anything to prove to anyone & we don't give a flying fu*k what anyone things of us either!! :finger:

Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence..I choose
to do stuff like that when I have the desire to do so.. in the right environment for it..the track! 200k on the straight. 900CBR Fireblade :love:

The rider in the article rider is a just a total farking prat riding on the road! :bash:& the bike should be used as the bonfire starter for New Years eve! :drinkup:
So you never break the speed limit? Not even by 1kmh when overtaking?

[Grubber]

My one was on a closed urban road, complete with curbing, lamposts, and buildings with no protection 10 feet from the road, on a circut no longer used. No tortoise shells required back then, in fact if you wanted one you imported it at high cost.

Yep that's clever and should definitely be condoned!

That we are, and have seen the end results of a workmate hitting a u turning car at 50k on a recently restored Norton, was not pretty (he did recover eventually), but then he was doing the speed limit so you can't blame speed.

Would have thought you may have learnt more from this actually.


So far in over 30 years on the road I am yet to hit another moving vehicle, it's called driving to the conditions, being aware of where you are and concentrating on what you are doing.

And yet you high five this person of speed cause apparently it isn't speed that is the problem. it is only a problem when you hit someone in a car or a solid object.


You decide:innocent:

Just did!:facepalm:

[Grubber]

Not interesting in speeding.. coz I don't have a small penis to compensate for, or a self enflated ego to stroke (with the left hand!!) :tugger:

I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies. We don't have anything to prove to anyone & we don't give a flying fu*k what anyone things of us either!! :finger:

Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence..I choose
to do stuff like that when I have the desire to do so.. in the right environment for it..the track! 200k on the straight. 900CBR Fireblade :love:

The rider in the article rider is a just a total farking prat riding on the road! :bash:& the bike should be used as the bonfire starter for New Years eve! :drinkup:

Yep yep yep, bet you could show me a thing or two aye!
After 30+ years in the saddle and many laps done on track over those years you would think i would have a couple of clues.....but i don't have "instructors endorsment" on my licence, so i guess i won't know shit then.:facepalm:

[Road kill]

Never mind alright - they'll just pick on some other poor loser and get their $$ that way...

Have a Snickers bro'.<_<

[Berries]

Not interesting in speeding..................I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies.
I am not trying to be sexist here, but you could do all that on a Raleigh 12. Or a horse.


Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence.
Classic.

[caspernz]

I reckon the rider was just gathering some more footage for her NZ ghostrider video...check it out on Youtube once the editing is complete :innocent:

But SH45 is the closed road loop of the Naki isn't it? One car every 19 minutes...

[willytheekid]

:confused:
So lemmie get this right

....a chick:corn:...on an OLD ducati:blink:...somehow managed to get up to 170kph:shit:...AND dragged off the naki Popo?....:mellow:

...And the Popo admitted to this!?:killingme




BUT...even more concerning!....this bitch made the headline news just by going for a cruise??:eek5:


...................:mellow:

Dear Rastuscat

Why I no get in news??
My parking not "good enough" for you to report...huh!:angry:
http://s3.visordown.com/uploads/images/large/1615.jpg
look...just forget it!...I give up!....I'm not playing with you guys anymore!:cry:

...you used to be cool!<_<


-Willy

ps:I did have to speed when leaving the above "incident"...Is MyGSXF going to burn my Bike as well??:eek5:

[MyGSXF]

Fuck you're full of yourself. Probably find the 'chick' that did the runner has skills you're still wanking of having. "Instructors Endorsement" be fucked. Tell me what makes you such a fucking "expert" when it comes to riding motorcycles?

You seem to be a bit hormonal there fulla... :crybaby:

My post that you have clearly taken the wrong way, was about people makes choices.. there is a time & place for being a sensible rider on the road.. & a time & place for having a blat.. on the track!

I never said I was an expert at anything & I certainly don't claim to be one.. Yes I have done a lot of training & learnt a lot, so I was pointing out how I like to ride, using the skills I have learnt.. & having an endorsement means that I have to make smart choices whilst on the road, otherwise I could loose my livelihood. An endorsement means I have been through training, got a qualification, & am NZTA approved to write certificates for the BHS test, so people can get their licence, plus I do other training & get paid for it. Without an endorsement you cannot get money for the service you provide. It has nothing to do with being better than anybody else!

Happy now?? you can pick your toys back up off the floor...:shutup:

[SPman]

Having ridden back from Wanganui with Sensei, 170 on a Taranaki road is a non event! Just keep to the limits in small towns and she's all sweet............:shifty:

[Pussy]

I drive that road every day. With the amount of agricultural contracting traffic on it, I wouldn't go at that rate of knots. To each their own.

[Swoop]

When has 170 been "excessively fast"?:scratch:

Onya Girl!


Ahh. Good old "detective" work by the local law enforcement...
"We would like to hear from a lady riding a dark blue older model blue Ducati seen in the Puniho Rd area" Richardson said.

Yup. Just appeal for the rider to turn themself in via the media.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not interesting in speeding.. coz I don't have a small penis to compensate for, or a self enflated ego to stroke (with the left hand!!) :tugger:

I enjoy going out for a ride with the girls, riding smooth safe road lines.. being in the right place on the road at the right time. Being situationally aware of whats going on around me, & enjoying the company of my awesome bikerbabe buddies. We don't have anything to prove to anyone & we don't give a flying fu*k what anyone thinks of us either!! :finger:

Also..Given that I have an ''Instructors Endorsement'' for bike & car on my licence..I choose
to do stuff like that when I have the desire to do so.. in the right environment for it..the track! 200k on the straight. 900CBR Fireblade :love:

The rider in the article is a just a total farking prat riding on the road like that! :bash: & the bike should be used as the bonfire starter for New Years eve! :drinkup:


You seem to be a bit hormonal there fulla... :crybaby:

My post that you have clearly taken the wrong way, was about people makes choices.. there is a time & place for being a sensible rider on the road.. & a time & place for having a blat.. on the track!

I never said I was an expert at anything & I certainly don't claim to be one.. Yes I have done a lot of training & learnt a lot, so I was pointing out how I like to ride, using the skills I have learnt.. & having an endorsement means that I have to make smart choices whilst on the road, otherwise I could loose my livelihood. An endorsement means I have been through training, got a qualification, & am NZTA approved to write certificates for the BHS test, so people can get their licence, plus I do other training & get paid for it. Without an endorsement you cannot get money for the service you provide. It has nothing to do with being better than anybody else!

Happy now?? you can pick your toys back up off the floor...:shutup:

Think you should read your post to me again then. Looks to me like you're wanking yourself hard out. Yet calling me a wanker with a small penis?

[duckonin]

Fuck you're full of yourself. Probably find the 'chick' that did the runner has skills you're still wanking of having. "Instructors Endorsement" be fucked. Tell me what makes you such a fucking "expert" when it comes to riding motorcycles?

Ha ha ha, having a baddy today Cfwb ? very good reply ! Now we wait :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ha ha ha, having a baddy today Cfwb ? very good reply ! Now we wait :corn:

Nah. Just don't like holier than thou wank posts. Listen to too much shit talk at work during the day.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I dont understand, did the thing not have a registration plate on it? they got close enough to it following to discern the likelihood female, but didnt get the plate? I mean, you'd expect po po priorities (particularly when there is a quota at stake) to be "get the rego, THEN stare at the arse".

Though they might just have thought it was a woman. Or you know, hoped.

[FJRider]

I dont understand, did the thing not have a registration plate on it? they got close enough to it following to discern the likelihood female, but didnt get the plate? I mean, you'd expect po po priorities (particularly when there is a quota at stake) to be "get the rego, THEN stare at the arse".

Though they might just have thought it was a woman. Or you know, hoped.

An older model Ducati may have an older model plate. A dirty black plate would be hard to read ... if it was even still in the system. Or have the correct address listed in the rego details.

[Maha]

It seems when a car driver does the unthinkable, they are viewed in a very different light...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/154870-Taranaki-Toy-Run-crash?p=1130441681#post1130441681

Though no body was injured/killed in the Ducati/Police incident, that fact alone, does not excuse the rider for even contemplating what occured inside her helmet, that made her ride at those speeds on a public road.
Her choice, but a bad one.

[Berries]

Wow. To compare an extremely poor decision that led to loss of life and a decision that led to a "believed to be more than 170km/h" speeding incident is quite something.

[DEATH_INC.]

& a time & place for having a blat
What better time than with the NZ road tax department up yer date? :yes:

[Ocean1]

Wow. To compare an extremely poor decision that led to loss of life and a decision that led to a "believed to be more than 170km/h" speeding incident is quite something.

Indeed. I'd say any clear comparison of the two incidents confirms the serious flaw in the GER driven official model rather then demonstrating any "speed klls" idiocy.

[Katman]

Wow. To compare an extremely poor decision that led to loss of life and a decision that led to a "believed to be more than 170km/h" speeding incident is quite something.

I have no problem seeing the comparison that Maha is making.

A boy racer rolled the dice and lost while a girl racer rolled the dice and won.

Still doesn't excuse the action though.

[Maha]

I have no problem seeing the comparison that Maha is making.

Lack of forethought...similar to a few previous posts.
When a biker makes the wrong decision, the reaction on here by and large, is very very different to when a car driver makes a wrong decision.
A little bit of balance would be the mature stance.
That accident in the Naki yestarday?...was a accident, tragic, but an accident nonetheless. No one ment for it to happen.

[FJRider]

Lack of forethought...similar to a few previous posts.
When a biker makes the wrong decision, the reaction on here by and large, is very very different to when a car driver makes a wrong decision.
A little bit of balance would be the mature stance.
That accident in the Naki yestarday?...was a accident, tragic, but an accident nonetheless. No one ment for it to happen.

And the people in the van will be saying ... "I never thought that would happen" ... as if that shit only happens to other people ...

To all bikers heading out for a ride ... Are you feeling lucky ... ???

[Maha]

And the people in the van will be saying ... "I never thought that would happen" ... as if that shit only happens to other people ...

To all bikers heading out for a ride ... Are you feeling lucky ... ???

Thats correct....bad decisions are made every minute of every day, and at times, those very decisions can effect many peoples lives forever.
Occassionally, you are lucky enough to sit back and say...''that could have had a different outcome''.

[blue rider]

Lack of forethought...similar to a few previous posts.
When a biker makes the wrong decision, the reaction on here by and large, is very very different to when a car driver makes a wrong decision.
A little bit of balance would be the mature stance.
That accident in the Naki yestarday?...was a accident, tragic, but an accident nonetheless. No one ment for it to happen.

I can't agree with the "no one ment for it to happen", when I as a driver do something as stupid as the driver of the van did, I take the risk of crashing, and causing harm, and I should know this. And while I don't mean it I happily risk it.

The driver of the van should not even have attempted to overtake three stationary vehicles at an intersection..the driver should have slowed down and stopped and waited his turn. End, full stop here.


Overtaking, several stationary vehicles at an intersection, and driving into oncoming traffic, is willfully taking the risk of causing a carambolage.


There is something really wrong with someone driving like this, no regards for life, not his own, not that of his passengers and certainly none for the life of other road users.

[Maha]

I can't agree with the "no one ment for it to happen", when I as a driver do something as stupid as the driver of the van did, I take the risk of crashing, and causing harm, and I should know this. And while I don't mean it I happily risk it.

The driver of the van should not even have attempted to overtake three stationary vehicles at an intersection..the driver should have slowed down and stopped and waited his turn. End, full stop here.


Overtaking, several stationary vehicles at an intersection, and driving into oncoming traffic, is willfully taking the risk of causing a carambolage.


There is something really wrong with someone driving like this, no regards for life, not his own, not that of his passengers and certainly none for the life of other road users.

Only this year on a group ride, a number of bikes were overtalking a vehicle on the crest of a hill...they were willfully taking a risk. I doubt that any forethought was present on that occassion.
Some in the group were horrified at what they were seeing and backed right off.
Like I said earlier ...Occassionally, you are lucky enough to sit back and say...''that could have had a different outcome''.

[george formby]

Overtaking, several stationary vehicles at an intersection, and driving into oncoming traffic, is willfully taking the risk of causing a carambolage.


There is something really wrong with someone driving like this, no regards for life, not his own, not that of his passengers and certainly none for the life of other road users.

Not sure what a carambolage is but assuming disregard implies a conscious decision. To drive like that is basically thoughtless full stop. Lights on, nobody home.

Now, trying to outrun the feds shows disregard.

[pritch]

Some people in this thread seem to be taking themselves too seriously. That road is not particularly dangerous and 170 would be considered by some to be relatively modest. Not legal, just modest. And there would be several local KBers who would not be in a strong postion to argue against that on the basis, "Let him without sin cast the first stone?" :whistle:

While I am familiar with the particular road, I don't know the lady in question but good luck to her. If she keeps behaving like that, she'll need it.

As for the driver of the van, jail time would be appropriate - but is not likely.

The big group rides like the toy run make me uncomfortable, too many riders leave their brains at home. As in this instance though, it's not only the other riders you have to watch out for.

Glad I stayed home.

[scumdog]

I have no problem seeing the comparison that Maha is making.

A boy racer rolled the dice and lost while a girl racer rolled the dice and won.

Still doesn't excuse the action though.

And if the 'girl racer' crashed and died it would have been the Po-pos fault eh!

Or have I misread KB mentality - again...<_<

I think not...

[FJRider]

Not sure what a carambolage is but assuming disregard implies a conscious decision. To drive like that is basically thoughtless full stop. Lights on, nobody home.

Now, trying to outrun the feds shows disregard.

From Wiki ..

Noun

carambolage m (plural carambolages)

(billiards) a carom, a cannon.
(by extension) a car accident involving 3 or more cars hitting each other successively, pile-up

"Carom-like" accidents are bound with excessive speed and high traffic. They happen more often on highways.

[george formby]

From Wiki ..

Noun

carambolage m (plural carambolages)

(billiards) a carom, a cannon.
(by extension) a car accident involving 3 or more cars hitting each other successively, pile-up

"Carom-like" accidents are bound with excessive speed and high traffic. They happen more often on highways.

Thank you. Billiards with vehicles.

[Subike]

Thank you. Billiards with vehicles.

Sadly the only pocket you end up in comes with a wooden box and 6' of dirt.

[onearmedbandit]

And if the 'girl racer' crashed and died it would have been the Po-pos fault eh!

Or have I misread KB mentality - again...<_<

I think not...

Two or three, or even two or three hundred, do not represent KB. So yes Scummy, you're wrong.

[FJRider]

Two or three, or even two or three hundred, do not represent KB. So yes Scummy, you're wrong.

Crashing and dieing trying to run from the cops is hardly clever. The one's that survive it are usually subject to derision for failing to escape.

The family of the deceased usually blame the police for chasing their dearest to death ...

[onearmedbandit]

Crashing and dieing trying to run from the cops is hardly clever. The one's that survive it are usually subject to derision for failing to escape.

The family of the deceased usually blame the police for chasing their dearest to death ...

I would wager that's because in part related to following reasons, the media loves to jump on that sort of thing, and typically the type of person willing to do a runner comes from a lower socio-economic background and their families hold more resentment towards all authorities.

If I did a runner and was killed/injured in doing so, I know my family would not be blaming the actions of the police.

[blue rider]

Only this year on a group ride, a number of bikes were overtalking a vehicle on the crest of a hill...they were willfully taking a risk. I doubt that any forethought was present on that occassion.
Some in the group were horrified at what they were seeing and backed right off.
Like I said earlier ...Occassionally, you are lucky enough to sit back and say...''that could have had a different outcome''.

what gets me with this accident involving the Toy run, is the overtaking stationary vehicles at an intersection.

i am not the best rider, nor the best driver, and I have done my share of stupid and at times reckless things, but to overtake just in front of an intersection. That just makes no sense to me.....where the fuck would I go, once my stretch of road ends?

[blue rider]

Thank you. Billiards with vehicles.

almost, in billiards you pocket the balls, in carambolage you just hit the balls each other in a precise action and they are no pockets.

It is also used in germany and france to describe accident in which one veh hits another hits another...the domino effect.
Sorry if it was confusing the term, i thought it was used in english.

[Maha]

I would wager that's because in part related to following reasons, the media loves to jump on that sort of thing, and typically the type of person willing to do a runner comes from a lower socio-economic background and their families hold more resentment towards all authorities.

If I did a runner and was killed/injured in doing so, I know my family would not be blaming the actions of the police.

...and why would they?...it would have been your own decision to put your life before any others.

[FJRider]

I would wager that's because in part related to following reasons, the media loves to jump on that sort of thing, and typically the type of person willing to do a runner comes from a lower socio-economic background and their families hold more resentment towards all authorities.



I'd wager that word "Compensation" would get mentioned in such cases .... hoping little (dead) johnny might be the family cash cow ...

[onearmedbandit]

...and why would they?...it would have been your own decision to put your life before any others.

That's exactly my point. But as FJ points out there are those families who would blame the police.

[scumdog]

That's exactly my point. But as FJ points out there are those families who would blame the police.

And in many case grieving for a kid they did a piss-poor job of bring up or caring for..sounds cynical doesn't it?:shifty:

[george formby]

almost, in billiards you pocket the balls, in carambolage you just hit the balls each other in a precise action and they are no pockets.

It is also used in germany and france to describe accident in which one veh hits another hits another...the domino effect.
Sorry if it was confusing the term, i thought it was used in english.

I,ve seen it used but never bothered to get a full understanding of it. Thank you, good day for my vocabulary.

[Subike]

what gets me with this accident involving the Toy run, is the overtaking stationary vehicles at an intersection.

i am not the best rider, nor the best driver, and I have done my share of stupid and at times reckless things, but to overtake just in front of an intersection. That just makes no sense to me.....where the fuck would I go, once my stretch of road ends?

Complacency . Some drivers will constantly flout the law, and for months even years they get away with making the same mistake
without an incident, close call, or anyone calling them on it. It become one of those things they do without considering the potential it has for dire results. Be it overtaking on a blind corner, cutting across a corner, overtaking stopped vehicles, not slowing down at the right times, the list can be huge. But there in lies the problem . The driver ( riders do this too) do it that often that when an incident happens, they do not see they were the cause until it is pointed out to them. What was in this Van drivers mind we will never know.What ever it was, I tend to think this was a residitive move that had never previously caused him any problem.
Now here is where the over all road problem could be, with the police concentrating upon the speed limit, drivers trying to get places at the limit, risks are taken at the speed limit, situations arrive where speed is not the problem, but bad driving habits developed trying to be fast inside the limit. The cutting corners, overtaking in dangerous places, failure to stop properly at intersections, again the list is huge, drivers get complacent, risks are take under the speed limit, and deaths occur.
This to me, was a driver taking those risks he had been happy taking for a long time. Sadly this was the once it bit him, and we lost people.

[Maha]

Complacency . Some drivers will constantly flout the law, and for months even years they get away with making the same mistake
without an incident, close call, or anyone calling them on it. It become one of those things they do without considering the potential it has for dire results. Be it overtaking on a blind corner, cutting across a corner, overtaking stopped vehicles, not slowing down at the right times, the list can be huge. But there in lies the problem . The driver ( riders do this too) do it that often that when an incident happens, they do not see they were the cause until it is pointed out to them. What was in this Van drivers mind we will never know.What ever it was, I tend to think this was a residitive move that had never previously caused him any problem.
Now here is where the over all road problem could be, with the police concentrating upon the speed limit, drivers trying to get places at the limit, risks are taken at the speed limit, situations arrive where speed is not the problem, but bad driving habits developed trying to be fast inside the limit. The cutting corners, overtaking in dangerous places, failure to stop properly at intersections, again the list is huge, drivers get complacent, risks are take under the speed limit, and deaths occur.
This to me, was a driver taking those risks he had been happy taking for a long time. Sadly this was the once it bit him, and we lost people.

My money is with you all points. You should post that in the appropriate thread, this thread is about a a different matter all together.

[scumdog]

Complacency . Some drivers will constantly flout the law, and for months even years they get away with making the same mistake
without an incident, close call, or anyone calling them on it. It become one of those things they do without considering the potential it has for dire results. Be it overtaking on a blind corner, cutting across a corner, overtaking stopped vehicles, not slowing down at the right times, the list can be huge. But there in lies the problem . The driver ( riders do this too) do it that often that when an incident happens, they do not see they were the cause until it is pointed out to them. What was in this Van drivers mind we will never know.What ever it was, I tend to think this was a residitive move that had never previously caused him any problem.
Now here is where the over all road problem could be, with the police concentrating upon the speed limit, drivers trying to get places at the limit, risks are taken at the speed limit, situations arrive where speed is not the problem, but bad driving habits developed trying to be fast inside the limit. The cutting corners, overtaking in dangerous places, failure to stop properly at intersections, again the list is huge, drivers get complacent, risks are take under the speed limit, and deaths occur.
This to me, was a driver taking those risks he had been happy taking for a long time. Sadly this was the once it bit him, and we lost people.

Yep, when the 'corner-cutting' mentality pans out it's great - you get there faster, with less effort etc. medals all round!:woohoo:

But when it goes pear-shaped? - Oh lawdy, it sure as hell is a mess.:shutup:

But the perpetrator is still often surprised: "I dunno how that happened, it's always been OK before":blink::facepalm:

[FJRider]

Yep, when the 'corner-cutting' mentality pans out it's great - you get there faster, with less effort etc. medals all round!:woohoo:

But when it goes pear-shaped? - Oh lawdy, it sure as hell is a mess.:shutup:

But the perpetrator is still often surprised: "I dunno how that happened, it's always been OK before":blink::facepalm:

The old ... taking the right hand sweeper with only the tyre contact points on the left of the centerline ... or even just the head over the line.

It's the best line through the corner ... right .. ??

[Banditbandit]

Only 170k she can't have even been trying, way to go girl!:Punk:

Fer sure .. I would not even be in top gear at that speed ... I hope she's got clean away.

[Banditbandit]

almost, in billiards you pocket the balls, in carambolage you just hit the balls each other in a precise action and they are no pockets.

It is also used in germany and france to describe accident in which one veh hits another hits another...the domino effect.
Sorry if it was confusing the term, i thought it was used in english.

It may well be English ... but bugger all of the members here are competent in that language.

[scumdog]

It may well be English ... but bugger all of the members here are competent in that language.

Harumph!
I am fluent in THREE languages:
English, Sarcasm & Profanity
SO there!:bleh:

[Banditbandit]

Harumph!
I am fluent in THREE languages:
English, Sarcasm & Profanity
SO there!:bleh:

You forgot to mention Cop-speak ... essential for giving evidence in court ..