Ixon gear, no warranty support

[Bender]

Just wanted to let people know that the Ixon importers do not stand by the warranty on their gear.

Zip failure on a jacket, worn about 5 times, and they have refused to repair it.

Think twice about buying their gear.

:shit:

[Zedder]

Just wanted to let people know that the Ixon importers do not stand by the warranty on their gear.

Zip failure on a jacket, worn about 5 times, and they have refused to repair it.

Think twice about buying their gear.

:shit:

What did they actually say?

[Katman]

worn about 5 times

But when did you buy it?

[steve_t]

Disputes Tribunal. They're in breach of the Consumer Goods Act. Either that or write to the Commerce Commission

[Crasherfromwayback]

Disputes Tribunal. They're in breach of the Consumer Goods Act. Either that or write to the Commerce Commission

You know this how having not seen the jacket/zip in question?

We had a customer here recently screaming blue murder about the zip on his rather expensive genuine Harley jacket fucking out. Threatening all sorts of lovely things. We told him to chill out and present the jacket to us for inspection.

Upon seeing it...it had been totally butchered and abused, and was without doubt 100% owner/operator abuse.

Did we replace it? Sure. But only to keep the peace. Not all people will/be able to do that most of the time...or simply not feel the need.

[steve_t]

You know this how having not seen the jacket/zip in question?

We had a customer here recently screaming blue murder about the zip on his rather expensive genuine Harley jacket fucking out. Threatening all sorts of lovely things. We told him to chill out and present the jacket to us for inspection.

Upon seeing it...it had been totally butchered and abused, and was without doubt 100% owner/operator abuse.

Did we replace it? Sure. But only to keep the peace. Not all people will/be able to do that most of the time...or simply not feel the need.

Nah, of course not, but what constitutes abuse of a jacket zip? Trying to do it up on a guy that's 5 sizes too big for the jacket? I can't think of any other situations where a zip would fail after wearing a jacket 5 times without it being a manufacturing defect. And as you have rightly pointed out, replacing a zip and keeping a customer happy should be a no-brainer - even if they buy a different brand of jacket next time, they'll still hopefully come back to you because you looked after them.
If it is abuse, the OP will get told that in DT anyway ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah, of course not, but what constitutes abuse of a jacket zip?

In the instance I was referring to, not having the teeth lined up correctly and getting a set of pliers or similar onto the tab of the zip and trying to force it shut actually bending the tab and tearing out teeth.

[Katman]

Anyone remember this thread?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/149016-Thor-Boots-Warning?highlight=thor+boots

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyone remember this thread?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/149016-Thor-Boots-Warning?highlight=thor+boots

For sure...

[steve_t]

In the instance I was referring to, not having the teeth lined up correctly and getting a set of pliers or similar onto the tab of the zip and trying to force it shut actually bending the tab and tearing out teeth.

Ah, right. I hadn't thought of that because I couldn't imagine anyone in their right mind doing something so stupid. There is no warranty for stupidity

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah, right. I hadn't thought of that because I couldn't imagine anyone in their right mind doing something so stupid. There is no warranty for stupidity

In 25 odd years you'd be amazed what I've seen.

[ducatilover]

Be interesting to know the full story.

I had a zip fall off the joining thingy for my two piece Qmoto kit. Did even bother writing in because I kind of fell off wearing that gear :facepalm: even though the zip falling off may have been unrelated...

[skippa1]

Disputes Tribunal. They're in breach of the Consumer Goods Act. Either that or write to the Commerce Commission
perhaps burning them at the stake or removal of their toenails with pliers would be appropriate before we know all the facts, see any pics or have any real dialogue and/or rebuttal from the other party. Its a really good idea to launch into ruining peoples reputations and livelihoods without a grasp of all the facts cause what the fuck....its not us aye.

You know this how having not seen the jacket/zip in question?

We had a customer here recently screaming blue murder about the zip on his rather expensive genuine Harley jacket fucking out. Threatening all sorts of lovely things. We told him to chill out and present the jacket to us for inspection.

Upon seeing it...it had been totally butchered and abused, and was without doubt 100% owner/operator abuse.

Did we replace it? Sure. But only to keep the peace. Not all people will/be able to do that most of the time...or simply not feel the need.
:niceone:

Anyone remember this thread?
:facepalm::laugh::laugh: it was funny
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/149016-Thor-Boots-Warning?highlight=thor+boots

[Bassmatt]

perhaps burning them at the stake or removal of their toenails with pliers would be appropriate before we know all the facts, see any pics or have any real dialogue and/or rebuttal from the other party. Its a really good idea to launch into ruining peoples reputations and livelihoods without a grasp of all the facts cause what the fuck....its not us aye.

:niceone:

Yes, I see they have just filed for bankruptcy since the op. :rolleyes:

[gammaguy]

Ah, right. I hadn't thought of that because I couldn't imagine anyone in their right mind doing something so stupid. There is no warranty for stupidity

one thing i learned during years in business

never underestimate the publics capability for creative stupidity:shutup:

[Maha]

one thing i learned during years in business

never underestimate the publics capability for creative stupidity:shutup:

Or...

One thing I learned during years on KB

Never underestimate the publics capability for creative stupidity....:corn:

[Bender]

What did they actually say?

They simply said they would not repair or replace the jacket. They did not consider the damage sufficient until the zip had totally failed, by which time it will be out of warranty, of course. BTW it is like new in all other respects - literally worn 5 times, never crashed and never attacked with a pair of pliers. The damage is not huge - the webbing at the bottom of the zip is failing, so the teeth are gradually pulling away from the webbing. Eventually I will have to replace the zip, which is something Ixon should do because it is clearly a product fault and has happened well within the warranty period.

But when did you buy it? January. Not worn at all during the winter because it's a summer jacket and I wore my winter jacket over the colder months. I took it back to the retailer in October. Just got it back.

I can't think of any other situations where a zip would fail after wearing a jacket 5 times without it being a manufacturing defect.

I've lost weight since I bought it. If I'd done something to damage the jacket I would not be making a fuss but I get pissed off when I get ripped off.

Its a really good idea to launch into ruining peoples reputations and livelihoods without a grasp of all the facts cause what the fuck....its not us aye.

Ixon are doing a fine job of ruining their own reputation here. They were offered a chance to make good a product failure and chose not to. Disgruntled (former) customers now have a way of publicising their bad experiences which is of course what I am doing here.

never underestimate the publics capability for creative stupidity.

I can assure you I have done nothing "stupid" with the jacket, other than wear it a few times. It's clear the webbing was defective from the beginning and will continue to fail until I have to replace the zip. BTW, it's public's, not publics.

And thank you Maha, I will keep your kind comments in mind.

If anyone would like to see photographs, happy to provide.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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If anyone would like to see photographs, happy to provide.

Yeah I'd actually like a look. Not because I don't believe you...but because I'm interested to see what you're talkin 'bout.

[Woodman]

What did they actually say?


But when did you buy it? January. Not worn at all during the winter because it's a summer jacket and I wore my winter jacket over the colder months. I took it back to the retailer in October. Just got it back.
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I presume you didn't buy this direct from ixon?, but a retailer? If so then your beef is with the retailer and not with ixon. If you are still unhappy with the jacket then take it back to the retailer and start quoting the consumer gaurantees act etc. It is up to them to argue with ixon, not you.

[nodrog]

they are probably imported by Triumph NZ

[Bender]

Jacket - no pliers in sight..

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The webbing is failing at the bottom of the zip. You can't see it in the photo but the webbing under the reinforcing patch is also torn so it will just keep failing.

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Edit: can't see much - I don't know why the images are so small.

[Maha]

And thank you Maha, I will keep your kind comments in mind.



Not directed at you, was ment for those who questioned your integrity/motive prior.
I also, have had dealings with a supplier in recent times due to failure on a jacket that was less than a year old.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The webbing is failing at the bottom of the zip. .

It's certainly not your nails wearing the webbing out!

[Zedder]

What did they actually say?

They simply said they would not repair or replace the jacket. They did not consider the damage sufficient until the zip had totally failed, by which time it will be out of warranty, of course. BTW it is like new in all other respects - literally worn 5 times, never crashed and never attacked with a pair of pliers. The damage is not huge - the webbing at the bottom of the zip is failing, so the teeth are gradually pulling away from the webbing. Eventually I will have to replace the zip, which is something Ixon should do because it is clearly a product fault and has happened well within the warranty period.

But when did you buy it? January. Not worn at all during the winter because it's a summer jacket and I wore my winter jacket over the colder months. I took it back to the retailer in October. Just got it back.

I can't think of any other situations where a zip would fail after wearing a jacket 5 times without it being a manufacturing defect.

I've lost weight since I bought it. If I'd done something to damage the jacket I would not be making a fuss but I get pissed off when I get ripped off.

Its a really good idea to launch into ruining peoples reputations and livelihoods without a grasp of all the facts cause what the fuck....its not us aye.

Ixon are doing a fine job of ruining their own reputation here. They were offered a chance to make good a product failure and chose not to. Disgruntled (former) customers now have a way of publicising their bad experiences which is of course what I am doing here.

never underestimate the publics capability for creative stupidity.

I can assure you I have done nothing "stupid" with the jacket, other than wear it a few times. It's clear the webbing was defective from the beginning and will continue to fail until I have to replace the zip. BTW, it's public's, not publics.

And thank you Maha, I will keep your kind comments in mind.

If anyone would like to see photographs, happy to provide.

Thanks for the extra info and best of luck with the situation.

[Bender]

It's certainly not your nails wearing the webbing out!


Having cancer can do that to you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Having cancer can do that to you.

Bad buzz. Sorry to hear that. Didn't realize it was one of the side effects.

[Bender]

Chemo makes 'em thin and brittle, nerves make me chew them. Coping strategy, officially approved by the Cancer Society. :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Chemo makes 'em thin and brittle,

Made Bruce Anstey's hair go curly! Fucker looked like a black sheep when finished.

[Ratti]

IMO, given how many zips I replace each year...


I can see why you are concerned, but the retailer has a point that the zip has not actually failed. It could take months to fail or happen in the next few times you wear it. No way to guess how far away failure point will be. I know you don't want to hear it, but my advice is to wear it as often as you can and get it replaced when it fails. At this stage I am on the side of the retailer.

[redhat]

The zipper on my Teknic leather jacket had problems after a few times of wearing mine. After about 6 months it finally broke (occasionally I'd spend like 10 minutes trying to zip the thing up).

Not sure if it's the way I handled the zipper - had plenty of other jackets before without any problems... but I took it to a tailor and she replaced the entire zipper system for $30. You could just do that.

[McFatty1000]

Jacket - no pliers in sight..


The webbing is failing at the bottom of the zip. You can't see it in the photo but the webbing under the reinforcing patch is also torn so it will just keep failing.




You have the same jacket as my second one - where did get it from? And Yeah, mine is just starting to do this now (No way near as advanced) but I've also done ~5000km on it, used it as a daily for three months straight.

[Bender]

Thought I would update this thread because the zip on the Ixon jacket has now failed completely.

This jacket has had only light use because I have a heavier Alpine Stars one that gets the lion's share of use.

It's costing me $95 to have the zip replaced, so thanks Ixon for being such arseholes.

Oh and one other thing - when I zipped in the winter liner for the first time (I had never used it because I use the AS jacket during the winter) - it was a small version with an XL label on it - it wouldn't even allow the zip ends to close up. I'm having to have four inches added into the winter liner so it fits.

Sooo Ixon, total fail.

Thanks a lot for failing to honour any warranty - mind you I suppose if you were selling poor quality gear you wouldn't want to offer warranties.

[f2dz]

Where are you getting the zip replaced costing you that much? Only ask because I wonder if that's resonable for that kind of work as I'm needing the same done on my Astars jacket.

If it is then I might as well buy a new one..

[Bender]

I'm getting it done at Kerrie's in K Rd. The price is a lot cheaper than a new jacket, especially as the jacket has hardly been worn and is in good condition otherwise.

Ixon let themselves down with this one - firstly through poor quality zips and secondly by refusing any warranty.

[GrayWolf]

I'm getting it done at Kerrie's in K Rd. The price is a lot cheaper than a new jacket, especially as the jacket has hardly been worn and is in good condition otherwise.

Ixon let themselves down with this one - firstly through poor quality zips and secondly by refusing any warranty.

Ferchissake mate, this thread started 2 years ago.... just how old WAS the jacket then?

Your bagging them, but have not said how old it was. If it was a year? 2 years? It's unlikely many shops would 'honour' a warranty....

As for Ixon making crap?
Nah, I've used Ixon gear for several years, and my commute jacket 4-5 times a week for 2+ yrs.... Zips etc are fine, it's the lining thats getting tatty. and thats a 'basic' Skeleton jacket, my Fire X2, and 1X Specious jackets are still doing fine .....
If a crap zip was fitted? It's like ANYTHING you buy, sometimes a part is faulty, and would Ixon have known it was when it was sewn in??? Doubt it. But as usual it's easy to 'go the maker' than realise it's a faulty part and deal with it accordingly...

Now the liner?? Yeh if that was mislabled and was not the correct size? Why didnt you take it back on purchase? The liners are zipped inside new jackets at purchase,,, so the mismatched liner would have been OBVIOUS then. So I'm guessing you were too ruddy lazy to complain and send it back???
Much easier to grizzle and moan over a 2 year period! :girlfight:

[sugilite]

Where are you getting the zip replaced costing you that much? Only ask because I wonder if that's resonable for that kind of work as I'm needing the same done on my Astars jacket.

If it is then I might as well buy a new one..

I found upholstery shops charge a lot less for such jobs than tailors...

[Bender]

Ferchissake mate, this thread started 2 years ago.... just how old WAS the jacket then?

Actually thread started 18 months ago. Jacket was a year old and worn 5 times. So it was hardly well worn and flogged out.

Your bagging them, but have not said how old it was. If it was a year? 2 years? It's unlikely many shops would 'honour' a warranty....

But as usual it's easy to 'go the maker' than realise it's a faulty part and deal with it accordingly...

Listen, I'm pretty fair about these things and I don't expect unrealistic performance from my gear. But in this case it was faulty and was well within anyone's reasonable idea of warranty. The person who is repairing it confirmed that the zip is poor quality without the usual strengthening to the webbing around the lower zip area.

I'm very pleased your Ixon gear has performed well but this jacket hasn't. I gave Ixon a chance to right it but they refused. So now I am exercising my right to free speech by bagging them on a public forum. They deserve it.

Now the liner?? Yeh if that was mislabled and was not the correct size? Why didnt you take it back on purchase?

I never tried the liner in because I didn't use the jacket during the cold months - I have a much more beefy Alpine Stars jacket for that. The Ixon has a mesh front and I use that during February and March when it's really hot. I wasn't bothered with the liner but this year I happened to try it out and hey presto, it's about 6 inches smaller than the jacket.

I didn't take it back to the manufacturer because they had already shown their stripes with regards to product backup.

Much easier to grizzle and moan over a 2 year period! :girlfight:

It's your right to view it that way but also mine to bring poor product backup to others' attention in case they are looking to buy jackets. I'd always thought Ixon gear was OK (clearly because I bought some) but I was wrong. They're proved it. Thanks for the sexy little icon.


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[Digitdion]

First time reading this thread. But I learnt the hard way. Most of the cheap bike gear in NZ is shit. I have now gone the other way and pay shitloads up front. And buy Tojo end bike gear. Never been let down again.
Probably cheaper though to buy cheap gear and get wet and cold though even though you have bought waterproof gear

[GrayWolf]

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Actually thread started 18 months ago. Jacket was a year old and worn 5 times. So it was hardly well worn and flogged out.
Listen, I'm pretty fair about these things and I don't expect unrealistic performance from my gear. But in this case it was faulty and was well within anyone's reasonable idea of warranty. The person who is repairing it confirmed that the zip is poor quality without the usual strengthening to the webbing around the lower zip area.

Sorry to disagree, but if the jacket was already a year old? It was out of warranty, and then it would be a 'goodwill' repair or replacement, regardless of how many times you wore it.

I never tried the liner in because I didn't use the jacket during the cold months - I have a much more beefy Alpine Stars jacket for that. The Ixon has a mesh front and I use that during February and March when it's really hot. I wasn't bothered with the liner but this year I happened to try it out and hey presto, it's about 6 inches smaller than the jacket.

Now thats odd an Ixon jacket with mesh panels (likely a Sismic flash, just like one of my summer jackets) that was purchased brand new, and the liner wasnt already inside it? That's really unusual, as every jacket from ANY manufacturer I have ever purchased, the lining is always zipped inside it. Ergo, the incorrect sized liner would have been blatantly obvious first time you looked at it......

I'm not trying to be difficult, but honestly, some of what you are saying just doesnt seem 'right'.....

If the manufacturer was not prepared to get involved... was the shop an Authorised Ixon dealer?? OR is a lot of the gear here 'grey or parallel import'?
Or in reality, was the importer just blocking things??
I know when I had a Moto Guzzi, the importers were actually crap, it was cheaper to get spares (and faster) from a guy in Dunedin who did it privately. And they (importers) had bugger all customer service ability.. I ordered a bike of a specific colour (one of the first four 1100 Cali's in the country) and had to 'make do' with a different one, only to find later the bike I had ordered was in Auckland in another shop. They hadnt bothered to check colour etc when they shipped from their warehouse, and just sent any bike to any shop (4 different shops).
I couldnt blame the Dealer I was purchasing from, but did get a $500 'discount' for the error.

[G4L4XY]

Speaking of broken zips, mine has been broken for a month or so now, I just attached a key ring, doesn't bother me much but if the warranty would cover it then a zip would be just great. Think my jacket is ohh wait oh damn it be like 2yrs old now. Oh well key-ring zip it is haha

[Ratti]

unbelievable....I replace zips all the time. I'd expect a zip to last about 2 years Ixon are no worse than any other jacket. As long as you purchase from an actual shop you should get reasonable service. BUT..if you had come into my shop whining about it the way you have whined here, I would have told you to bugger off. Seriously dude, what did you expect from a ZIP? it catches the most wear on a jacket and of course it wears out faster than the jacket. The price you were charged is about right, I wil replace a long zip for about $80, its a painful job and takes just under an hour plus the cost of zip, thread, eletrickery, tax, ACC, rent.....you get the picture?.

You got a decent run out of it, quit moaning and get out and ride.

[scracha]

unbelievable....I replace zips all the time. I'd expect a zip to last about 2 years Ixon are no worse than any other jacket.

2 years? Is all the gear you sell that shit? Fark..I've got jackets over 10 years old with no zip problems.

[Berries]

unbelievable....I replace zips all the time. I'd expect a zip to last about 2 years Ixon are no worse than any other jacket. As long as you purchase from an actual shop you should get reasonable service. BUT..if you had come into my shop whining about it the way you have whined here, I would have told you to bugger off. Seriously dude, what did you expect from a ZIP? it catches the most wear on a jacket and of course it wears out faster than the jacket.
I'd expect a zip to last the life of the jacket. It shouldn't be that difficult, it only has to go up and down. I have a Dainese textile jacket that is getting on a bit now, had to replace the main zip after I don't know how long, eight or nine years. PITA and I blamed myself not the jacket. Now an inside pocket zip has gone but at around 12 years old or so and pretty much everyday use over that time the whole jacket is looking tired and needing some TLC. And a wash probably. I would however buy another in a heartbeat. If I had a jacket where the zip failed after two years I would not be buying that brand of jacket again, or indeed any gear from that particular manufacturer.

[ducatilover]

I'd expect a zip to last the life of the jacket. It shouldn't be that difficult, it only has to go up and down. I have a Dainese textile jacket that is getting on a bit now, had to replace the main zip after I don't know how long, eight or nine years. PITA and I blamed myself not the jacket. Now an inside pocket zip has gone but at around 12 years old or so and pretty much everyday use over that time the whole jacket is looking tired and needing some TLC. And a wash probably. I would however buy another in a heartbeat. If I had a jacket where the zip failed after two years I would not be buying that brand of jacket again, or indeed any gear from that particular manufacturer.

No Qmoto then?

[HenryDorsetCase]

You know this how having not seen the jacket/zip in question?

We had a customer here recently screaming blue murder about the zip on his rather expensive genuine Harley jacket fucking out. Threatening all sorts of lovely things. We told him to chill out and present the jacket to us for inspection.

Upon seeing it...it had been totally butchered and abused, and was without doubt 100% owner/operator abuse.

Did we replace it? Sure. But only to keep the peace. Not all people will/be able to do that most of the time...or simply not feel the need.

Plus he rolled in next week and bitched you out.

then bought a Road King.


right?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Plus he rolled in next week and bitched you out.

then bought a Road King.


right?

Lol. Honestly can't remember now...but I very much doubt it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd expect a zip to last the life of the jacket. It shouldn't be that difficult, it only has to go up and down. I have a Dainese textile jacket that is getting on a bit now, had to replace the main zip after I don't know how long, eight or nine years. PITA and I blamed myself not the jacket. Now an inside pocket zip has gone but at around 12 years old or so and pretty much everyday use over that time the whole jacket is looking tired and needing some TLC. And a wash probably. I would however buy another in a heartbeat. If I had a jacket where the zip failed after two years I would not be buying that brand of jacket again, or indeed any gear from that particular manufacturer.

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

2 years? Is all the gear you sell that shit? Fark..I've got jackets over 10 years old with no zip problems.

My Naturalwear rock and roll jacket is 30 year old and still has its original zips. Its probably had 15 years of hard use and ten years of hanging in the cupboard. I might bust it out this summer.

[Berries]

No Qmoto then?
No. I have a Suzuki.

[GrayWolf]

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

Yup 100%agree, Ixon's main business is 'ski clothing' M/cycle gear is a 'profitable sideline'? I am going to guess from reading up on various types of zips, once again it's fashion... big chunky YKK jips 'look ugly', and secondly seems YKK zips can break needles, the commonly fitted coil zip does'nt.

"#1 Coil Zippers use the toothed elements of helical coils of polyester, nylon or in some cases metal wire as the fastening system.The opposing elements of the exposed coil interlock with each other to form the closure. The coils can be formed and woven directly into the supporting tapes or pre-formed and sewn onto specially pre-manufactured tapes in a separate operation. These products are
widely used because of their inconspicuous appearance when incorporated into the finished product. The nylon and polyester coils will not generally break an industrial sewing machine needle if stitched over, which allows bar tacking as a method to close one end of the fastener.

#3 Metal Zippers have teeth of stamped or diecast interlocking design fastened to the beaded edge of a dyed supporting tape. They have a long life and tend to be very sturdy and strong in all directions. Brass zippers are used in Marine applications as they do not rust as much as steel. They are also used in Applications such as garment and upholstering due to the desirable brass or metal finish."

[Tazz]

Everything I never wanted to know about zips, and more! :bleh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Everything I never wanted to know about zips, and more! :bleh:

there's a ladies apparel section.

I'm just saying

http://www.ykkfastening.com/

[Tazz]

there's a ladies apparel section.

I'm just saying

http://www.ykkfastening.com/

Good to know they've got you covered. Did the polyester grade hold up all good or did it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

298245

[GrayWolf]

298245[/QUOTE]


Isnt that the Harley specific facial attachment, to the new Bell Rogue helmet? <_<

[HenryDorsetCase]

298245


Isnt that the Harley specific facial attachment, to the new Bell Rogue helmet? <_<[/QUOTE]

only $399.99 too: they have an accessory line of tassels and will sell you one that makes an extra "potato potato" noise for an extra two hundy though.

[Ratti]

2 years? Is all the gear you sell that shit? Fark..I've got jackets over 10 years old with no zip problems.


I don't sell gear, I fix it. I use YKKzips.
It depends a lot on the person using the jacket. I have one customer who insists on using his jacket as a shopping trolley and breaks his zips about every year or so. They will only stand so much strain after all. The zips on my personal jackets, have lasted 5-6 years with no sign of a problem. Go figure. As Crasher said, some folk are really rough on zips and bugger them in no time, others are more sensible and they last for years. In a jacket that is being worn every day, I'd expect a couple of years normal wear and tear.

[Big Dog]

My technic freeway has the coil zips. Sure about 10% of the year I am wearing one of my other jackets but it has survived with me for 7-8 years. Approx 160000 kms.
I have never taken any special care.
My neo commander is 9-10 years old has yell zippers but in a plastic saw tooth. Heavy gauge. About 80,000 kms. Since I have had the freeway it has only really been use when the freeway is two wet to wear. Zip handles look a little ratty where the paint has come away from the alloy. Otherwise good.
Nip, no special care taken there either.

My old leather jacket from my youth covered about 200000kms. Over 4 years. I had to rub a pencil down its alloy teeth every change of season. Lost a tooth in fourth year but still worked. I sold that when I tried to quit riding. There was another somewhere but zip aw intact on that too.



I guess some people can break anything. Others the zips really do suck.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Quasievil]

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

Just for the record, QMOTO (when I owened it over two years back now) Had genuine YKK zips verified by YKK NZ.
also out of interest, I did some strength testing at YKK in Auckland, from a Steel Zip we got 73 KG pull strength, from a Plastic we got 125 KG Pull strength, thats a big difference.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just for the record, QMOTO (when I owened it over two years back now) Had genuine YKK zips verified by YKK NZ.
also out of interest, I did some strength testing at YKK in Auckland, from a Steel Zip we got 73 KG pull strength, from a Plastic we got 125 KG Pull strength, thats a big difference.

that was interesting.

so you do up the zip then pull it perpendicular to the line of the zip? What was the failure mode?