Have I munted my tyre?

[chasio]

I swapped my front over this afternoon. Don't know if this is generally found to be the case, but for me the Michelin Anakee 2 was a 100% PITA to get off the rim of the Freewind. I'd say about 5 times as hard as the Fullbore M41 that came off the rear yesterday.

Sadly, my heat-addled brain combined with my small skill-base and a large lever have conspired to see me damage the bead - see photos.

Bearing in mind this will be running a tube on a spoked wheel and I rarely exceed the speed limit (much), is this tyre sufficiently damaged to write off, or is it still usable?

Thanks - Chasio

[neels]

I wouldn't, and I'm as tight as a gnats chuff, if I can get away with it I'll give it a go. Except with tyres on motorcycles.

[skippa1]

I swapped my front over this afternoon. Don't know if this is generally found to be the case, but for me the Michelin Anakee 2 was a 100% PITA to get off the rim of the Freewind. I'd say about 5 times as hard as the Fullbore M41 that came off the rear yesterday.

Sadly, my heat-addled brain combined with my small skill-base and a large lever have conspired to see me damage the bead - see photos.

Bearing in mind this will be running a tube on a spoked wheel and I rarely exceed the speed limit (much), is this tyre sufficiently damaged to write off, or is it still usable?

Thanks - Chasio

That will buff out sweet as

[scumdog]

It's your neck.......

[Grizzo]

Yep, I'd be ditching it

[sinfull]

One has to wonder why you took it off ? Reason for changing it ?

[chasio]

Cheers and yes, thought so. Arse.

I ran through the opening lines of Two Weddings and a Funeral when I saw it... That was an expensive lesson (although cheaper than having it fail).

[p.dath]

I'd use it.

The tyre doesn't look like it has structural damage. There doesn't appear to be any damaged cords, or any cords exposed at all.

[BigAl]

I'm with PD, doesn't look too bad, no worries about leaking as you've said you're running a tube.

If in doubt ask your local bike shop.

[chasio]

One has to wonder why you took it off ? Reason for changing it ?

To fit a Mitas E-07 = more aggressive tread pattern. I'd rate the Anakee as a 90:10 road tyre whereas the E-07 is more like 60:40.


I'd use it.

The tyre doesn't look like it has structural damage. There doesn't appear to be any damaged cords, or any cords exposed at all.

The photo doesn't show it, Mr D, but you can see some metal cords if you open up the "wound". That's my worry. A bit o' super glue, and she'll be right... (not).


I'm with PD, doesn't look too bad, no worries about leaking as you've said you're running a tube.

If in doubt ask your local bike shop.

I'm more concerned about the bead failing in some way while I'm riding it. Agreed I can head down and ask a shop. The odds are they will suggest it is a goner because (a) that way they have no moral liability if it fails and (b) they can try to sell me a new tyre.

I know there are tyre specialists on KB so was hoping they might chip in (some may have: I don't know what everyone does for a living).

The saving grace is that I have acquired a second-hand Battlewing in decent nick that I can use for road-biased riding instead (donated by a mate). Shame, though, as I liked the Anakee and it had heaps left.

[p.dath]

The photo doesn't show it, Mr D, but you can see some metal cords if you open up the "wound". That's my worry. A bit o' super glue, and she'll be right... (not).


If you can see the steel belts showing - it's history. :(

[Kickaha]

The odds are they will suggest it is a goner because (a) that way they have no moral liability if it fails and (b) they can try to sell me a new tyre.

The odds are they will suggest it is a goner is because it's fucked, one quick glance at pic 2 shows that, with damage like that it's obvious there'll be exposed cord/belt material under it

[chasio]

The odds are they will suggest it is a goner is because it's fucked, one quick glance at pic 2 shows that, with damage like that it's obvious there'll be exposed cord/belt material under it

There is indeed visible metal. So here's interesting... I popped into a local place that fits a lot of tyres. Two of them had a good look and the verdict was that it was OK as the damage was not that bad and well inside where the rim seats.

I was not expecting that reply and it goes against my instincts to use it, to be frank. I think I will just use it to practise my technique.

[Kickaha]

There is indeed visible metal. So here's interesting... I popped into a local place that fits a lot of tyres. Two of them had a good look and the verdict was that it was OK as the damage was not that bad and well inside where the rim seats.

In that case they're idiots that shouldn't be trusted with wheel barrow tyres

[spanner spinner]

if you can see the steel it's toast as water can enter between the rubber and the steel band. the water will then be drawn up the gaps in between the steel wires and rust them out. And yes this does happen, I use to fit motorbike tyres for a living and have seen tyres blow off the rim with this type of damage, mostly dirt bike tyres as they get swapped off and on depending where people are riding and the beads get damage just like what is shown in your pictures.

[chasio]

if you can see the steel it's toast as water can enter between the rubber and the steel band. the water will then be drawn up the gaps in between the steel wires and rust them out. And yes this does happen, I use to fit motorbike tyres for a living and have seen tyres blow off the rim with this type of damage, mostly dirt bike tyres as they get swapped off and on depending where people are riding and the beads get damage just like what is shown in your pictures.

I am sold. ...

[mouldy]

if you can see the steel it's toast as water can enter between the rubber and the steel band. the water will then be drawn up the gaps in between the steel wires and rust them out. And yes this does happen, I use to fit motorbike tyres for a living and have seen tyres blow off the rim with this type of damage, mostly dirt bike tyres as they get swapped off and on depending where people are riding and the beads get damage just like what is shown in your pictures.

If you can't see steel and your running a tube , use it ,no danger and I do fit tyres for a living .

[chasio]

If you can't see steel and your running a tube , use it ,no danger and I do fit tyres for a living .

Cheers. Sadly I can see steel, so I'm treating it as a write-off :(

[SMOKEU]

It's your neck.......

What about the legal aspect of things? Enough for a green sticker or a pinky?

[chasio]

What about the legal aspect of things? Enough for a green sticker or a pinky?

When fitted it won't show as it will be behind the rim. Not sure x-ray specs are standard issue... :)

[Coldrider]

Re-life a munted front tyre.
Get your munted front tyre, drill a12mm hole in the sidewall, fit it to the rear rim, fit a munted rear tyre over it and pop onto the rim, a little air pressure added, and....... BURN IT OUT, BURN IT OUT>>>>>.

[DEATH_INC.]

You can see steel? Not just the aramid ( or whatever they are ) cords?
Basically....a tyre has a bunch of big steel wires that run around the bead(s). Then they have a bunch of cords that go from 1 side of the tyre to the other. These wrap around the bead wires.
If the damage you have is restricted to the rubber ONLY(even if you can see the cords) then it'll be ok for a while (till the cords deteriorate)
BUT if any of the cords are cut/broken then it's trash.
Can you pull the rubber apart and get a pic of the 'steel' you can see?

BTW, If your location is 37 south, you're real close to either myself (36.59.02 south) or mouldy. I'll take a loosee if you want a professional opinion or perhaps mouldy would take a look too.

[chasio]

You can see steel? Not just the aramid ( or whatever they are ) cords?
Basically....a tyre has a bunch of big steel wires that run around the bead(s). Then they have a bunch of cords that go from 1 side of the tyre to the other. These wrap around the bead wires.
If the damage you have is restricted to the rubber ONLY(even if you can see the cords) then it'll be ok for a while (till the cords deteriorate)
BUT if any of the cords are cut/broken then it's trash.
Can you pull the rubber apart and get a pic of the 'steel' you can see?

BTW, If your location is 37 south, you're real close to either myself (36.59.02 south) or mouldy. I'll take a loosee if you want a professional opinion or perhaps mouldy would take a look too.

Thanks. Am struggling to get a decent picture but will post one up if I manage it.

[chasio]

You can see steel? Not just the aramid ( or whatever they are ) cords?
Basically....a tyre has a bunch of big steel wires that run around the bead(s). Then they have a bunch of cords that go from 1 side of the tyre to the other. These wrap around the bead wires.
If the damage you have is restricted to the rubber ONLY(even if you can see the cords) then it'll be ok for a while (till the cords deteriorate)
BUT if any of the cords are cut/broken then it's trash.
Can you pull the rubber apart and get a pic of the 'steel' you can see?

BTW, If your location is 37 south, you're real close to either myself (36.59.02 south) or mouldy. I'll take a loosee if you want a professional opinion or perhaps mouldy would take a look too.

Righto, think I managed a decent pic at last. As I see it, the cords are severed for a few mm and it looks like I am seeing steel up in the tyre (not visible in the picture). Maybe that is just more cord but, going by what you say, it is shagged since the cords are compromised.

TBH, a new one would be $159 and the damaged one is maybe a 30% worn already. I am not flush with cash, but I'd rather not bet my life on it for that money!

See what you think, anyway.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. It's fucked - history - a goner - totalled.

Donate it to the Hampton Downs tyre wall ... at least there it will still be of some use ...