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kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 12:03
May not be in the right forum here but oh well.
This is my view and mine alone.
Im posting this as my wife who works in a small town shop part time gets abbused quite often when big groups of people arrive out of the blue and expect enough pies (for example) hot in the warmer for everyone there.
These shops are not telepathic and dont know your coming in a big group so please be a bit understanding.
Its not only bikers that get snooty but it did happen on the weekend with bikers.
Cheers.
BigAl
22nd January 2013, 12:54
Doesn't happen in the North Island, we only eat quiche up here:whistle:
oneofsix
22nd January 2013, 12:59
What the problem? Is it that the pie warmer isn't big enough for the weekend trade?
Banditbandit
22nd January 2013, 13:14
Doesn't happen in the North Island, we only eat quiche up here:whistle:
Yeah right !!!
bogan
22nd January 2013, 13:16
Just make sure you have enough cinnamon lattes and green tea for when the harley boys drop in...
oneofsix
22nd January 2013, 13:23
Just make sure you have enough cinnamon lattes and green tea for when the harley boys drop in...
I reckon they are the problem, by the time they arrive all the hot pies have gone and being a bit uppity they get shitty about it instead of just having a cheese roll. :rolleyes: :corn:
george formby
22nd January 2013, 13:41
I see examples of this all the time.
Like a group of 15 rocking up to the restaurant at 8pm on a Saturday & showing amazement that we do not have space for them, often quickly followed by a tirade at how badly organized we are.
Sheep. Fuck em. People who expect the world to work just the way they want deserve to be let down.
cynna
22nd January 2013, 13:41
a small town shop? most big runs i have been on let the pubs know days in advance to expect us and remind them again on the day
must say the mayfield pub did ok with limited staff due to a funeral on friday when 50 of us turned up on matts ride on the way to the dusty butt
Zedder
22nd January 2013, 13:59
I wasn't going to post anything but what the hell. I'm not getting at you or your wife KC though and only trying to help.
You wrote your wife gets abused often etc, this implies she gets people coming through often but not on a strict timetable. A pattern appears to be emerging here. Please clarify.
Murray
22nd January 2013, 14:19
I see examples of this all the time.
Like a group of 15 rocking up to the restaurant at 8pm on a Saturday & showing amazement that we do not have space for them, often quickly followed by a tirade at how badly organized we are.
Sheep. Fuck em. People who expect the world to work just the way they want deserve to be let down.
Totally agree. Work in a Hotel and group books 120 people in to stay - asked what they are doing for dinner and organiser says own arrangements most will go out into town. They all arrive and 90 want to eat at the same time - no booking - no nothing and its our fault. jeez sheep!!!
imdying
22nd January 2013, 15:03
I'm was raised to eat what I was given and shut the hell up. Given that, I'll happily eat a pie that's been nuked :yes: (yeah they're shite, but when the hole needs to be filled...)
Perhaps they should invest in a couple of cheap microwaves and offer these groups the option (microwave pie and a drink or starve). If it happens often enough to warrant a rant on here, then perhaps such a small investment would pay for itself?
Regardless... if I were in the hospitality trade, I'd be looking to profit from such a situation in any way possible... charge them extra for those tomato sauce sachets, have easy to prepare non-perishable items at the ready. Be fucked if I'd let a few hundred bucks walk out the door without a fight.
unstuck
22nd January 2013, 17:28
What kind of a fuckin man are ya, keep her at home doing your washing and cooking your tea ffs.:devil2:
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 18:11
I'm was raised to eat what I was given and shut the hell up. Given that, I'll happily eat a pie that's been nuked :yes: (yeah they're shite, but when the hole needs to be filled...)
Perhaps they should invest in a couple of cheap microwaves and offer these groups the option (microwave pie and a drink or starve). If it happens often enough to warrant a rant on here, then perhaps such a small investment would pay for itself?
Regardless... if I were in the hospitality trade, I'd be looking to profit from such a situation in any way possible... charge them extra for those tomato sauce sachets, have easy to prepare non-perishable items at the ready. Be fucked if I'd let a few hundred bucks walk out the door without a fight.
The shop has got two nuk machines and they do offer to heat a pie up but get another snotty abusive answer.
Theres other snack food in the shop but they want a pie or bust.
If the shop knows theres a bike rally or other event in the area they will often put more pies in the warmer to be ready but they cant afford to put 40 pies in the warmer and then get no one buy them and lose money throwingthem out.
I put this post up more about the abuse my wife gets from people for trying to do a job in a store were she could sell 100 pies 1 day and 4 the next foe example.
Im sure you wouldnt like me abusing your wife for something she couldnt help at her work?.
An example was she had a heap of bikers turn up last weekend unanounced expecting pies and while most were ok about waiting some were downwright wankers--so should she just stand there and take abuse all the time.
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 18:16
I wasn't going to post anything but what the hell. I'm not getting at you or your wife KC though and only trying to help.
You wrote your wife gets abused often etc, this implies she gets people coming through often but not on a strict timetable. A pattern appears to be emerging here. Please clarify.
Not sure what kind of pattern you see but she could sell 100 pies one day and 4 the next and if theres a rally or organised event local they do put more in for that day but its the unananounced groups that are the problem.
As i've said i put this up to let people know that people like my wife are doing a job and dont need to be abused just because things arn't exactly as they want
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 18:19
What the problem? Is it that the pie warmer isn't big enough for the weekend trade?
Plenty big enough mate its knowing how many to put in it each day without wastage at the end of that day is the problem.
Zedder
22nd January 2013, 18:29
Not sure what kind of pattern you see but she could sell 100 pies one day and 4 the next and if theres a rally or organised event local they do put more in for that day but its the unananounced groups that are the problem.
As i've said i put this up to let people know that people like my wife are doing a job and dont need to be abused just because things arn't exactly as they want
Gotcha now. There's absolutely no way she should have to put up with abuse.
Like imdying wrote about though, I was interested in the money making opportunity.
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 18:51
Gotcha now. There's absolutely no way she should have to put up with abuse.
Like imdying wrote about though, I was interested in the money making opportunity.
Making money is what she's there for and imdying does have a point about letting money walk out without a fight but unfortunatly having other things quick to prepare would often mean having a certified kitchen which would be imposable to install in this shop.
She often goes the extra mile when people are stuck (broken down,out of gas etc) and got the local fuel pump opened up to supply gas and oil to some of these people on the weekend and has even rang me when she cant get hold of anyone else to help and iv'e taken gas to bikers that have run short so she does her utmost to help people in need.
99% of people are great but 1% arn't and its even been that bad before that other members of the public have butted in and told abusive persons to pull the head in so to speak
unstuck
22nd January 2013, 18:56
Life is full of assholes like that, teach her kung foo.:cool:
Zamiam
22nd January 2013, 20:17
Just make sure you have enough cinnamon lattes and green tea for when the harley boys drop in...
Fuck off. We are into quality food, like our bikes, so stop at McDonalds
jellywrestler
22nd January 2013, 20:37
May not be in the right forum here but oh well.
Im posting this as my wife who works in a small town shop part time gets abbused quite often when big groups of people arrive out of the blue and expect enough pies (for example) hot in the warmer for everyone there.
These shops are not telepathic and dont know your coming in a big group so please be a bit understanding.
Its not only bikers that get snooty but it did happen on the weekend with bikers.
Cheers.
so over the next few months while your business slowly dies why not put a sign out with max five people or similar on it.
or if you want your business to grow why not advertise is as a destination that will cater for larger groups if they would like to phone or text in their order ahead.
tis your call
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 20:51
so over the next few months while your business slowly dies why not put a sign out with max five people or similar on it.
or if you want your business to grow why not advertise is as a destination that will cater for larger groups if they would like to phone or text in their order ahead.
tis your call
My call ok FFS the thread was started by me to highlight the fact that people seem to think that the likes of my wife are there to be abused Just because the shop havent got what they want when they walk in.
Are you one of those people?.
My parents owned a shop in a bit bigger town and had the same problem with abuse and before you say anything that business was run down when they got it and 5 years later it was a humming wee shop with an bloody good turnover and this shop my wife works in is the same.
As i have said before this thred was started to highlight the abuse these people get and ask people to be a little understanding but some people just dont get it.
BMWST?
22nd January 2013, 21:01
i organise some car club runs, always make arrangement with the food places we plan to stop at.Its sometimes hard to know how many are gonna turn out
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 21:08
i organise some car club runs, always make arrangement with the food places we plan to stop at.Its sometimes hard to know how many are gonna turn out
yes thats ok though and the business you call would appreceiate it as they know your coming and as i said before if the shop knows there's a rally local or an event on in the area then they do prepare.
haydes55
22nd January 2013, 21:10
My completely unexperienced opinion (This is KB so unexperienced opinions matter!).
Watch the forecast, clear weather in summer on a weekend= More pies.
Shitty weather or winter= Standard amount of pies.
Your profit margins should be over 200% so if you get a hot day and put out 40 pies and only 10 sell you don't lose as much as only putting out 10 and 40 are demanded. The opportunity cost of under supply will be far greater with a loss of income with under demand. I don't know your profit margins so pull out a calculator and work out the numbers.
If you have standard number of pies out and (average excess demand of a group ride on a particular day) is demanded, what is you loss of income from being under supplied? (Pies demanded x price) - (Pies supplied x price) = income lost out on.
If you see a good weather weekend coming up, put out excess pies and the usual traffic comes through, what is your loss of income from being over supplied? (Pies demanded x price) - (Cost of pies thrown out at cost) = a slight loss or dependent on ratio of sold:unsold, could still be positive.
If your profit margins are 200% then if you sell one third of your stock you break even. That is usually a risk businesses are willing to take because the opportunity cost of not supplying those excess pies is a greater loss to the business.
(economics comes in handy some times)
gijoe1313
22nd January 2013, 21:16
This is all starting to sound like the lemonade stand game I used to play on the BBC micro/Apple //e back in the day!
Hear what the original op is saying, worked in the food industry for over 30+ years. You can't please all of the people all of the time, especially if they have got issues such as lack of basic decent courtesy!
But yeah, bikers shoot themselves in the foot if they expect to rock up unannounced and expect to be fed cordon bleu chez instant! All of the big rides we go on, usually we know the destination where vittles can be sourced. Doesn't take rocket science to have a quick yarn with the establishment to let them know they going to get their cash registers ringing!
Know from experience with the more onto it places who actually hire in more staff and stock up on vittles for a crowd of hungry, thirsty, filthy biker scum!:devil2:
Wait, what were we talking about again? :scratch:
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 21:26
My completely unexperienced opinion (This is KB so unexperienced opinions matter!).
Watch the forecast, clear weather in summer on a weekend= More pies.
Shitty weather or winter= Standard amount of pies.
Your profit margins should be over 200% so if you get a hot day and put out 40 pies and only 10 sell you don't lose as much as only putting out 10 and 40 are demanded. The opportunity cost of under supply will be far greater with a loss of income with under demand. I don't know your profit margins so pull out a calculator and work out the numbers.
If you have standard number of pies out and (average excess demand of a group ride on a particular day) is demanded, what is you loss of income from being under supplied? (Pies demanded x price) - (Pies supplied x price) = income lost out on.
If you see a good weather weekend coming up, put out excess pies and the usual traffic comes through, what is your loss of income from being over supplied? (Pies demanded x price) - (Cost of pies thrown out at cost) = a slight loss or dependent on ratio of sold:unsold, could still be positive.
If your profit margins are 200% then if you sell one third of your stock you break even. That is usually a risk businesses are willing to take because the opportunity cost of not supplying those excess pies is a greater loss to the business.
(economics comes in handy some times)
Your right in some respects but why should she put up with abuse WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD and the pies are only an example.
Ive never seen a small town shop i've walked into with 40 pies in the warmer incase theres a group in unannunced.
As i said before 99% are good and will happly wait if there doesnt happen to be what they want but why should she take the shit that the 1% think is there right to dish out just because they can.
Road kill
22nd January 2013, 21:47
Your right in some respects but why should she put up with abuse WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD and the pies are only an example.
Ive never seen a small town shop i've walked into with 40 pies in the warmer incase theres a group in unannunced.
As i said before 99% are good and will happly wait if there doesnt happen to be what they want but why should she take the shit that the 1% think is there right to dish out just because they can.
Cook the man some Fucking eggs.
Because she's a shop flunky.
Get over it.
You want the truth ?
You couldn't handle the truth.
The point of the thread is,,fuck off you just wanted a whinge an didn't have a pie shop to walk into.
FFS,,,Your self.:clap:
haydes55
22nd January 2013, 21:52
Your right in some respects but why should she put up with abuse WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD and the pies are only an example.
Ive never seen a small town shop i've walked into with 40 pies in the warmer incase theres a group in unannunced.
As i said before 99% are good and will happly wait if there doesnt happen to be what they want but why should she take the shit that the 1% think is there right to dish out just because they can.
Name a job that customers don't get angry at staff?
Option 1- Live with it, who really gives a shit; sticks, stones etc. Abuse gets them no extra pies and doesn't break any of your wifes fingernails.
Option 2- Adjust the business to cater to these people and improve profit at the same time.
Option 3- Try start a campaign on kb.
jellywrestler
22nd January 2013, 22:02
Are you one of those people?.
absolutely not.
what other options do you have when the pies aren't on?
do you have a plate of water in your pie warmer so they last longer?
how big was the bully group?
did their harleys leak oil outside?
Jantar
22nd January 2013, 22:17
Kiwi Cowboy, I think you need to explain that this is rural shop in a very small town. It is not a cafe or eatery in the normal sense. It is already close to a motorbike destination for an event that happens once a year. There is a pub nearby that does cater to those wanting hot food. etc.
Personally I don't see how your wife can hope to estimate how many pies would be needed on any particular day.
Oh, I might add that the bikers in question were not the ones attending the rally in Alexandra as we went elsewhere, and advised the pub in advance to expect us.
Nova.
22nd January 2013, 22:26
ffs now I'm hungry :argue:
kiwi cowboy
22nd January 2013, 22:50
Kiwi Cowboy, I think you need to explain that this is rural shop in a very small town. It is not a cafe or eatery in the normal sense. It is already close to a motorbike destination for an event that happens once a year. There is a pub nearby that does cater to those wanting hot food. etc.
Personally I don't see how your wife can hope to estimate how many pies would be needed on any particular day.
Oh, I might add that the bikers in question were not the ones attending the rally in Alexandra as we went elsewhere, and advised the pub in advance to expect us.
I know it wasnt you guys.
Not on a witchunt for them it was a general thread.
Berries
22nd January 2013, 22:52
Was it Ranfurly? I had a shit pie there on Sunday.
FJRider
22nd January 2013, 22:57
I wasn't going to post anything but what the hell. I'm not getting at you or your wife KC though and only trying to help.
You wrote your wife gets abused often etc, this implies she gets people coming through often but not on a strict timetable. A pattern appears to be emerging here. Please clarify.
A clue ... Brass Monkey country.
ALSO ....
Central Otago Rail Trail Country.
Also ...
A historic shop.
So ... some days 30 ... some days 300 ... I fail to see a pattern.
Berries
22nd January 2013, 23:00
A clue ... Brass Monkey country.
ALSO ....
Central Otago Rail Trail Country.
Also ...
A historic shop.
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FJRider
22nd January 2013, 23:10
10 charchars
They played at the pub across the road from the shop ... just last week :blank:
Zedder
23rd January 2013, 08:08
A clue ... Brass Monkey country.
ALSO ....
Central Otago Rail Trail Country.
Also ...
A historic shop.
So ... some days 30 ... some days 300 ... I fail to see a pattern.
You were probably still trying to work out the quad bike/spraytank problem Kiwi Cowboy posted about recently, but I got the info I needed earlier in this thread.
imdying
23rd January 2013, 08:33
Im sure you wouldnt like me abusing your wife for something she couldnt help at her work?.You could try, but she's an extremely clever woman who spends all day putting men that think they're special in their place, so you'd come off second best :laugh:
yungatart
23rd January 2013, 08:38
You could try, but she's an extremely clever woman who spends all day putting men that think they're special in their place, so you'd come off second best :laugh:
Poor you! How do you cope with that? :nya:
imdying
23rd January 2013, 09:01
By showering myself in things like brand new motorcycles :bleh:
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 09:05
Yeah, my wife gets this at the medical center. She is an expert at making abusive people feel really small. That is why I obey her.:not:
george formby
23rd January 2013, 09:37
Anybody seen that airport joke in the Friday Joke thread? Pertinent.
buffstar
23rd January 2013, 10:00
Your right in some respects but why should she put up with abuse WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD and the pies are only an example.
Ive never seen a small town shop i've walked into with 40 pies in the warmer incase theres a group in unannunced.
As i said before 99% are good and will happly wait if there doesnt happen to be what they want but why should she take the shit that the 1% think is there right to dish out just because they can.
Your wife needs to tell abusive people to "get fucked cunt" ....... easy peasy
starting a thread on Kiwibiker is not going to change attitudes. I personally always use my Ps & Qs as a customer, unless the person serving me is a cunt and then I revert to the earlier quote.
People crying for pies want to HTFU and sorry mate, but so do you & the wife there will always be rude fuckers out there - don't allow them to affect your whole day. tell them get fucked and move on!
the end
Murray
23rd January 2013, 10:48
My completely unexperienced opinion (This is KB so unexperienced opinions matter!).
Your profit margins should be over 200%
(economics comes in handy some times)
Your right you are completely unexperienced - 200% profit margin on food - made me fall off my seat laughing. Have you brought mince or cheese or pastry lately. who pays the wages, the rent, the insurance, the electricity, the food license of over $600 per year, the rates etc etc etc etc
george formby
23rd January 2013, 10:51
Your right you are completely unexperienced - 200% profit margin on food - made me fall off my seat laughing. Have you brought mince or cheese or pastry lately. who pays the wages, the rent, the insurance, the electricity, the food license of over $600 per year, the rates etc etc etc etc
I restrained myself from biting on that one. Heh.. Pie in the sky. Double Heh.
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 11:01
The customer is always right, so telling them to "fuck off cunt" probably would end your employment or buisness rather quickly. Apparently there are other ways to speak to rude obnoxious people, but fucked if I can think of any. A simple get fucked is so much easier.:devil2::Punk:
oneofsix
23rd January 2013, 11:06
The customer is always right, so telling them to "fuck off cunt" probably would end your employment or buisness rather quickly. Apparently there are other ways to speak to rude obnoxious people, but fucked if I can think of any. A simple get fucked is so much easier.:devil2::Punk:
True the customer is always right BUT these people aren't customers, they are lost customers and therefore just self important abusive picks that require a reality check. Pity the bosses tend to see it your way. :weep:
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 11:15
My completely unexperienced opinion (This is KB so unexperienced opinions matter!).
How about stupid opinions ... ??? Do THEY matter ... ??
If your profit margins are 200% then if you sell one third of your stock you break even. That is usually a risk businesses are willing to take because the opportunity cost of not supplying those excess pies is a greater loss to the business.
(economics comes in handy some times)
It's not about amount of stock ... it's about available stock in the pie warmer on ANY given day. If 20 go in the warmer each day and are all sold ... no waste pies. (good economics) If 50 go in each day ... and on some days ... all are sold. With varying amounts of wastage from day to day ... chucking unsold stock out is bad economics. And tough if a few whinging bikers don't get a hot pie. Perhaps they get over their own ego and get a life. (and then go across the road to the pub to get one)
Perhaps ... if YOU send her an E.mail each day and tell her how many pies to put in each day. Oh ... remember ... private bus trips often come through and stop there as well. But I guess you already know that (and how many). And you will know how many bikers coming through will want to stop for a pie too. And don't forget the cyclists doing the rail trail often call in as well. On your daily E.mail ... pass all THOSE numbers info on too. Your knowledge of economics will make that information easily available to you. Education is great ... eh .. !!!
imdying
23rd January 2013, 11:23
I've told (only the most deserving) customers to fuck off before. Management know that they can pull me up on it if they like, but I'll just pack up my shit and leave; bothers me naught... but then I've never crossed a man that didn't deserve it (shout out to Coolio!) and they know that.
I'd still be looking to make a buck instead of just having a moan.
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 11:23
The customer is always right, so telling them to "fuck off cunt" probably would end your employment or buisness rather quickly. Apparently there are other ways to speak to rude obnoxious people, but fucked if I can think of any. A simple get fucked is so much easier.:devil2::Punk:
The old ... "we've run out of pies, and the truck bringing more wont be here for a few days" excuse might work.
And Bikers are not rude obnoxious people ... they (some) often just have unique personality. But no life worth mentioning ...
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 11:27
I'd still be looking to make a buck instead of just having a moan.
That is the primary goal of ANY shop. Having NO waste helps a lot in this regard. Chucking unsold pies out is losing money.
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 11:30
I told an Asian customer to fuck off out of the honey shop once, that was before I knew anything about doing business with Asian people. They always want a cheaper price.:facepalm:
imdying
23rd January 2013, 11:33
That is the primary goal of ANY shop. Having NO waste helps a lot in this regard. Chucking unsold pies out is losing money.Totally agree.
So do we have any suggestions that could help this man? Every microwave packaged meal I've ever eaten made me wish I hadn't purchased it, but a nuked pie I can just cope with. That won't please everyone... so what 'prepare in under 5 minutes with minimal human intervention' alternatives can we suggest?
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 11:36
I told an Asian customer to fuck off out of the honey shop once, that was before I knew anything about doing business with Asian people. They always want a cheaper price.:facepalm:
No ... you give them directions to "another" shop that "sells it cheaper" (and doesn't exist) ... many miles down a deserted back road ... with suitability confusing instructions.
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 11:39
Maybe a sign on the door or window with something like .....Assholes will be refused service.
kiwi cowboy
23rd January 2013, 11:46
I told an Asian customer to fuck off out of the honey shop once, that was before I knew anything about doing business with Asian people. They always want a cheaper price.:facepalm:
Times must have changed.
I remember 20 years ago i was in pgg in addington to get some winter clothes when a bus load of asians (japanese i think) arrived.
They looked through the racks and left without buying bugger all and i heard the tour guid say to the shop manager that if the price was twice as much as was on the sticker they would have cleaned the place out as they see price as a sign of quality.
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 11:55
Totally agree.
Somebody agrees with me ... :wings:
So do we have any suggestions that could help this man? Every microwave packaged meal I've ever eaten made me wish I hadn't purchased it, but a nuked pie I can just cope with. That won't please everyone... so what 'prepare in under 5 minutes with minimal human intervention' alternatives can we suggest?
The problem Kiwi Cowboy mentioned ... is NOT a new ... or unheard of problem in any shop ... in that line/type of business ... anywhere in the country.
Solution ... ??? well in MY extensive education (in the finest schools in Southland [on the days I actually showed up]) ... I took a class in Mind reading 101. It gave me the ability to know what the weather was doing anywhere I was ... at that moment. So if out on the bike ... and I was getting wet ... I knew to put the wet gear on.
At other times ... it was no fucking use at all ... I just had to guess ... just like every OTHER person/biker.
kiwi cowboy
23rd January 2013, 11:56
just to let every one know this thread is my view and not the shop owners or my wifes view.
I just get pissed when i see people not having manners.
Htfu :killingmemy wife tells me im too hard and set in my ways.
Say what ya like about me i dont give a fuck:girlfight: but it upsets me when my wife gets abused (call me old fashined) although she can look after herself.
skippa1
23rd January 2013, 11:58
Simple....put the price of the pies up to cover the losses then stock the warmer up.....you have a captive audience if you are the only shop around that sells em and the bikers are hungry. If I was on a mission and was in the middle of Central Otago and starving, I would rather pay an over inflated price for a fresh pie than starve for another hour or two. . I guess then the grizzly cunts can whinge about the price, but still get a feed.
haydes55
23rd January 2013, 12:03
Your right you are completely unexperienced - 200% profit margin on food - made me fall off my seat laughing. Have you brought mince or cheese or pastry lately. who pays the wages, the rent, the insurance, the electricity, the food license of over $600 per year, the rates etc etc etc etc
You're right. 200% is no where near the usual profit margin for food. Most bakeries have margins of 400%. I was meaning profit margin for individual items. Rent etc comes out of profits. If you bake your own. A 20 pie tray shouldnt cost anymore than $15 to make. each pie has shit all meat in it. Never prime cut and pastry is cheap and easy to make. How many bakeries have you worked in? How many family members own bakeries?
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 12:05
.. i heard the tour guid say to the shop manager that if the price was twice as much as was on the sticker they would have cleaned the place out as they see price as a sign of quality.
I know of a Central Otago Vineyard that in it's early years ... started selling it's wine. Well tried to. Nobody was buying it. A nearby Vineyard manager suggested putting the price UP to twice what they were asking.
They DID ... and sold it ALL. (in a very short space of time)
Perhaps ... tell the missus to put the pie price up. To cover the "possible" loss due to wastage. Especially those bikers with the flash shiny bikes. (which lets ME out)
george formby
23rd January 2013, 12:05
Was this the culprit?
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unstuck
23rd January 2013, 12:11
Maybe something like this they could put on the wall, and just point to. They would not have to say anything.:2thumbsup
Murray
23rd January 2013, 12:20
You're right. 200% is no where near the usual profit margin for food. Most bakeries have margins of 400%. I was meaning profit margin for individual items. Rent etc comes out of profits. If you bake your own. A 20 pie tray shouldnt cost anymore than $15 to make. each pie has shit all meat in it. Never prime cut and pastry is cheap and easy to make. How many bakeries have you worked in? How many family members own bakeries?
My mate owns Couplands if that helps - and where I work runs regular kiosk's for guests - to buy a decent pie from our supplier costs us $1.64 plus GST and that is priced on a national contract rate.
So to get your at least 200% profit we must charge $5.66 or more and to get your 400% profit $9.45
Simple economics
Your dreaming if you think theres great profits in running small food outlets
george formby
23rd January 2013, 12:28
Your dreaming if you think theres great profits in running small food outlets
I know this to be true..
Any hoo. When faced with a customer, or potential customer stock withstanding, like the OP's better half I console myself with the thought that they must have a sad life faced with so many disappointments. Takes the umbrage out of their outburst.
jellywrestler
23rd January 2013, 12:31
but a nuked pie I can just cope with. if a pie is cooked in a microwave correctly often the product can be better than one that's sat in a pie warmer for a time. Correctly done a pie will take longer than just one setting and say 2 minutes as the meat and the crust require different cooking periods.
maybe it's time to get a programmable microwave and research the art and then aim for a couple of pies in the cabinet so people know that they're there and become a place knows for pies that taste like God's Sweat....
george formby
23rd January 2013, 12:35
if a pie is cooked in a microwave correctly often the product can be better than one that's sat in a pie warmer for a time. Correctly done a pie will take longer than just one setting and say 2 minutes as the meat and the crust require different cooking periods.
maybe it's time to get a programmable microwave and research the art and then aim for a couple of pies in the cabinet so people know that they're there and become a place knows for pies that taste like God's Sweat....
The pies are generally in the freezer so it takes awhile. Taste like Gods Sweat? That's some pie. Had a famous Kaeo Mutton Pie on Sunday, very substantial to the point of having to increase my tire pressures but too much cornflour.
imdying
23rd January 2013, 12:36
Aye... at least some of those foil bag pies attempt to go crunchy!
Murray
23rd January 2013, 12:48
I'd look at something like pizza pieces. microwave ones are pretty crap but add a bit of extra cheese and tomato/onion its not to bad.
However I agree with the op and a larger number of people these days are just so rude and when ignorance goes with it it makes you all the more headbashingly pissed off.
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 13:14
I just get pissed when i see people not having manners.
Htfu :killingmemy wife tells me im too hard and set in my ways.
Say what ya like about me i dont give a fuck:girlfight: but it upsets me when my wife gets abused (call me old fashined) although she can look after herself.
I've found small business's will be more eager to go out of their way to help ME ... by ME being polite. Than they would ... if I make a total asshole of myself.
Funny that ...
Hard and set in your ways ... :killingme ... nah .. can't be that ... :innocent:
BigAl
23rd January 2013, 13:30
I have a resolution to your pie problem........
Relocate your cafe to an area after a couple of km of twisties, then all the sprots bikes of the group will arrive and let you know that the cruisers are +30mins away:clap:
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 13:31
I really dont think its about the pies. Even though I do like pies.:drool: I think it is more about learning how to deal with the arrogant fuckwits out there that get all cut up about there being no pies. I have no people skills whatsoever, but would like to hear a few opinions how best to deal with fuckwits. Cos I am All for learning.:2thumbsup
oneofsix
23rd January 2013, 13:37
I really dont think its about the pies. Even though I do like pies.:drool: I think it is more about learning how to deal with the arrogant fuckwits out there that get all cut up about there being no pies. I have no people skills whatsoever, but would like to hear a few opinions how best to deal with fuckwits. Cos I am All for learning.:2thumbsup
Small town, kick them out of the store for being abusive and see how they feel about no pie and no coffee either.
skippa1
23rd January 2013, 13:37
You're right. 200% is no where near the usual profit margin for food. Most bakeries have margins of 400%. I was meaning profit margin for individual items. Rent etc comes out of profits. If you bake your own. A 20 pie tray shouldnt cost anymore than $15 to make. each pie has shit all meat in it. Never prime cut and pastry is cheap and easy to make. How many bakeries have you worked in? How many family members own bakeries?
ummmm profit margin or net profit is actually calculated after cost of goods, expenses and other associated costs are taken out ................Net profit = cost of goods - SG&A or sales general and administration - interest taxes an depreciation. Commonly called EBITDA. You could mean gross margin, this is sales - cost of goods
You are incorrect in quoting profit margin, I find it very hard to believe that it would be 400% EBITDA
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 13:40
Small town, kick them out of the store for being abusive and see how they feel about no pie and no coffee either.
But that is what I would struggle with, kicking them out of the store in a manner that wont get me arrested.:nono:
Jantar
23rd January 2013, 13:42
I have a resolution to your pie problem........
Relocate your cafe to an area after a couple of km of twisties, then all the sprots bikes of the group will arrive and let you know that the cruisers are +30mins away:clap:
There's the issue. It isn't a cafe, its an historical shop. You know the type of place where you can by wicks for your tilly lamp, or fly paper to hang from the ceiling? Pies are only a convenience for the shoppers.
oneofsix
23rd January 2013, 13:45
But that is what I would struggle with, kicking them out of the store in a manner that wont get me arrested.:nono:
The store still has the right to ask them to leave and therefore trespass them, no violence required. If they start something then you have the right of defence. Just as long as any other shop in the area also gets the hint and refuses them then they will learn quick smart to mind their Ps & Qs.
Too often arrogant cunts get their way because of this "customer always right" shit, like the cunt that take a dozen or more items through the 10 or less queue or the prick that complained about a T-shirt a passenger was wearing on an aircraft.
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 13:50
Man I wish I could stay calm and ask people to leave in a nice and confident way, I am more of a jump the counter and drag the fucker outside sort of fella. Got a lot of growing up to do yet.:weep:
oneofsix
23rd January 2013, 13:53
Man I wish I could stay calm and ask people to leave in a nice and confident way, I am more of a jump the counter and drag the fucker outside sort of fella. Got a lot of growing up to do yet.:weep:
Not as much as the arrogant fucks that rant over the lack of a pie
haydes55
23rd January 2013, 14:54
You're right. 200% is no where near the usual profit margin for food. Most bakeries have margins of 400%. I was meaning profit margin for individual items. Rent etc comes out of profits. If you bake your own. A 20 pie tray shouldnt cost anymore than $15 to make. each pie has shit all meat in it. Never prime cut and pastry is cheap and easy to make. How many bakeries have you worked in? How many family members own bakeries?
My mate owns Couplands if that helps - and where I work runs regular kiosk's for guests - to buy a decent pie from our supplier costs us $1.64 plus GST and that is priced on a national contract rate.
So to get your at least 200% profit we must charge $5.66 or more and to get your 400% profit $9.45
Simple economics
Your dreaming if you think theres great profits in running small food outlets
Theres your problem. You're buying pies from one business to sell to customers. They make profit off you then you nake profit off customers on top of that. I was talking about making pies. I can buy a big ben pie from the dairy for $1.50. They can make a pie and deliver it to a dairy at a low enough cost that the dairy can make a profit selling me a pie at $1.50.
If you can't make a pie for under a dollar and sell it for $4-5 then i don't know whats wrong with your shop.
Murray
23rd January 2013, 15:00
ummmm profit margin or net profit is actually calculated after cost of goods, expenses and other associated costs are taken out ................Net profit = cost of goods - SG&A or sales general and administration - interest taxes an depreciation. Commonly called EBITDA. You could mean gross margin, this is sales - cost of goods
You are incorrect in quoting profit margin, I find it very hard to believe that it would be 400% EBITDA
Actually our P&L carries all costs down to Gross profit (including wages, cost of sales, operating costs, R&M, administration, marketing and energy to get the gross profit and then after this comes off external fees (franchise/ incentive etc) Insurance and Rates to give Net Profit EBITDA then off comes depreciation to give Net Profit before Tax
Murray
23rd January 2013, 15:03
I can buy a big ben pie from the dairy for $1.50. They can make a pie and deliver it to a dairy at a low enough cost that the dairy can make a profit selling me a pie at $1.50.
Where is that then, I will be there tomorrow and who in this scenario is making yor 400% profit???
haydes55
23rd January 2013, 15:08
Where is that then, I will be there tomorrow and who in this scenario is making yor 400% profit???
Go to a dairy. Go to the warmer. Pull out a big ben pie. $1.50. The 400% mark up is the cafes and bakeries who make pies from scratch at a cost of $1 each. Puts them in the warmer for $5. Most bakeries charge around the $4-5 mark for a pie.
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 16:13
Theres your problem. You're buying pies from one business to sell to customers. They make profit off you then you nake profit off customers on top of that. I was talking about making pies. I can buy a big ben pie from the dairy for $1.50. They can make a pie and deliver it to a dairy at a low enough cost that the dairy can make a profit selling me a pie at $1.50.
If you can't make a pie for under a dollar and sell it for $4-5 then i don't know whats wrong with your shop.
And how does THAT post relate to Kiwi cowboys original post. The store in question is an historic general store. The nearest business that sells pies (apart from the pub across the road) is 20 km's away.
And the pies there are better quality that those road kill big ben pies. If you eat (and like) them ... it explains a lot.
FJRider
23rd January 2013, 16:20
I have a resolution to your pie problem........
Relocate your cafe to an area after a couple of km of twisties, then all the sprots bikes of the group will arrive and let you know that the cruisers are +30mins away:clap:
???????????????????????
Their location is within 5 km's of the site of the most (In)famous motorcycle rally sites. Bikers that have attended bring their mates to the area to show them the site. It's position in the Ida valley gives it an ideal location for bikes. Try visiting some time.
jellywrestler
23rd January 2013, 16:21
The pies are generally in the freezer so it takes awhile. yep a ice doesn't respond to microwaving so that's why when you defrost semething it goes in pulses first to thaw something out then let that 'hot' water content warm up the rest.
kiwi cowboy
23rd January 2013, 18:22
Man I wish I could stay calm and ask people to leave in a nice and confident way, I am more of a jump the counter and drag the fucker outside sort of fella. Got a lot of growing up to do yet.:weep:
Wanna job:whistle::whistle::whistle:
kiwi cowboy
23rd January 2013, 18:27
Go to a dairy. Go to the warmer. Pull out a big ben pie. $1.50. The 400% mark up is the cafes and bakeries who make pies from scratch at a cost of $1 each. Puts them in the warmer for $5. Most bakeries charge around the $4-5 mark for a pie.
I wouldnt give ya 50 cents for a big ben pie.
We bought a 6 pack once on special and just about needed a dentist afterwards from the small bone chips in them:ar15:.
As has been pionted out this is not a bakery.
kiwi cowboy
23rd January 2013, 18:30
???????????????????????
Their location is within 5 km's of the site of the most (In)famous motorcycle rally sites. Bikers that have attended bring their mates to the area to show them the site. It's position in the Ida valley gives it an ideal location for bikes. Try visiting some time.
:rolleyes:you do realise hes taking the piss:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:clap: :clap:
unstuck
23rd January 2013, 18:46
Wanna job:whistle::whistle::whistle:
How did you know?:cool:
awa355
24th January 2013, 16:01
A month or tow's supply of firewood, Not a bad load for the old truck
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unstuck
24th January 2013, 16:10
Thats not a pie^^^:laugh: Wrong thread perhaps.:shutup:
unstuck
24th January 2013, 16:13
That is one big log though. One of my passions used to be log dams and old sawmilling logging. Spent many weekends in the coromandel and the barrier hunting out old log dam sites, amazing how they used to move logs like that around in the bush before the combustion engine came along.:Punk:
Zedder
24th January 2013, 16:15
That's a bloody big log! Kauri?
unstuck
24th January 2013, 16:17
That's a bloody big log! Kauri?
Rimu.:Punk:
FJRider
24th January 2013, 17:32
Rimu.:Punk:
Give him some credit ... in the pic it only said twice it was a Rimu log. :laugh:
Zedder
24th January 2013, 18:46
Give him some credit ... in the pic it only said twice it was a Rimu log. :laugh:
I was logged in at the time and I didn't enlarge the image to see the species name. Talking of large thick wooden species how are you?
GDOBSSOR
26th January 2013, 08:37
Making money is what she's there for and imdying does have a point about letting money walk out without a fight but unfortunatly having other things quick to prepare would often mean having a certified kitchen which would be imposable to install in this shop.
99% of people are great but 1% arn't and its even been that bad before that other members of the public have butted in and told abusive persons to pull the head in so to speak
Why not do what my friend did and invest in a medium sized deep fryer? Then she could also quickly prepare chips for large groups? Do they do toasted sandwiches?
Jantar
26th January 2013, 08:40
Why not do what my friend did and invest in a medium sized deep fryer? Then she could also quickly prepare chips for large groups? Do they do toasted sandwiches?
They do that at the pub right across the road.
Zedder
26th January 2013, 13:17
This thread is about his wife not having to take abuse. Argument and hitting on the head lesssons are in the next two rooms.
Don't even start on the Spanish Inquisition either.
FJRider
26th January 2013, 14:19
Why not do what my friend did and invest in a medium sized deep fryer? Then she could also quickly prepare chips for large groups? Do they do toasted sandwiches?
It is an Historic General store. Not a food outlet as such. Nor is it intended to be ... Pies are a service of convenience to customers.
FJRider
26th January 2013, 18:49
Argument and hitting on the head lessons are in the next two rooms.
AND ... also ... available at the pub across the road ...
BigAl
27th January 2013, 06:41
This thread is about his wife not having to take abuse.
Oh I thought it was about pies:confused:
unstuck
27th January 2013, 06:44
Mmmmmm, chicken cranberry and brie.:drool:
Zedder
27th January 2013, 08:24
Oh I thought it was about pies:confused:
You and the pies thing. Is that why you're BigAl...?
BigAl
27th January 2013, 17:05
Lol, can't beat a good pie....
Zedder
27th January 2013, 19:24
Lol, can't beat a good pie....
Yep, have a look at this:http://eatyourworld.com/blog/best_meat_pies_in_auckland_five_to_try
Maha
30th January 2013, 12:15
When I organise a group ride, I always phone ahead with the numbers and approx time of arrival...when there are 20+ landing on your doorstep looking for a feed, its only polite to let then know, you get good service ie: walk straight in and sit at the reserved tables..win/win.
Which reminds me, I need to a couple of calls this weekend.
george formby
30th January 2013, 12:30
I put a wee bet on with myself when this thread started that it would turn into a pie thread. KB is so consistent with some topics.
Jantar
30th January 2013, 12:30
When I organise a group ride, I always phone ahead with the numbers and approx time of arrival...when there are 20+ landing on your doorstep looking for a feed, its only polite to let then know, you get good service ie: walk straight in and sit at the reserved tables..win/win.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Which reminds me, I need to a couple of calls this weekend.
Mmmm. I must try that on the clubs next group ride to the west coast. We'll ring ahead to the petrol station at Haast and tell them there are 20 bikers coming through and we'll expect to order their pies and hopefully have tables ready. Naturally we'll ignore their comments about the cafe around the corner and pub across the road that serve food. :whistle:
The whole point about this thread is that the lady at the small historical shop got abused for not having enough pies ready, when she wasn't expecting a large number of bikers arriving wanting to eat. This shop is not an eating establisment, it is an old style general store. There is a pub right across the road that caters to people wanting good fast food.
Maha
30th January 2013, 12:53
Mmmm. I must try that on the clubs next group ride to the west coast. We'll ring ahead to the petrol station at Haast and tell them there are 20 bikers coming through and we'll expect to order their pies and hopefully have tables ready. Naturally we'll ignore their comments about the cafe around the corner and pub across the road that serve food. :whistle:
The whole point about this thread is that the lady at the small historical shop got abused for not having enough pies ready, when she wasn't expecting a large number of bikers arriving wanting to eat. This shop is not an eating establisment, it is an old style general store. There is a pub right across the road that caters to people wanting good fast food.
Thread title says Group Riding and Eating Places...I put across my view on the subject, not the subject matter IE: small historic shop attendant copping a gob full (excuse the pun)
If the ''small historic shop'' is not an eating place, then perhaps the thread title should be changed to reflect that?
Thread title could read...Dont expect pies from an Op Shop.
unstuck
30th January 2013, 12:59
Just had 2 chicken satay pies,mmmmmm, pies.:drool::2thumbsup
Ratti
30th January 2013, 14:31
anyone working in retail gets abused on a regular basis. I do and I don't stand for it. I refuse to serve clients who are rude, I tell them they are being rude and that I don't deserve to be treated that way when I am trying to help. I'm not in food service industry ( was for far too long tho and will not work in it again ) I work part- time as a trained consultant in a natural health store...seriously, Joe Public - and that means YOU - are a pain in the arse. The people behind the counter are just that, people, with lives and feelings and specialist knowledge that deserves respect.
unstuck
30th January 2013, 14:33
anyone working in retail gets abused on a regular basis. I do and I don't stand for it. I refuse to serve clients who are rude, I tell them they are being rude and that I don't deserve to be treated that way when I am trying to help. I'm not in food service industry ( was for far too long tho and will not work in it again ) I work part- time as a trained consultant in a natural health store...seriously, Joe Public - and that means YOU - are a pain in the arse. The people behind the counter are just that, people, with lives and feelings and specialist knowledge that deserves respect.
:love::love::love::love: I love strong confident women.:shifty:
FJRider
30th January 2013, 19:16
Thread title says Group Riding and Eating Places...I put across my view on the subject, not the subject matter IE: small historic shop attendant copping a gob full (excuse the pun)
If the ''small historic shop'' is not an eating place, then perhaps the thread title should be changed to reflect that?
Thread title could read...Dont expect pies from an Op Shop.
This is the place ..
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george formby
30th January 2013, 19:48
anyone working in retail gets abused on a regular basis. I do and I don't stand for it. I refuse to serve clients who are rude, I tell them they are being rude and that I don't deserve to be treated that way when I am trying to help. I'm not in food service industry ( was for far too long tho and will not work in it again ) I work part- time as a trained consultant in a natural health store...seriously, Joe Public - and that means YOU - are a pain in the arse. The people behind the counter are just that, people, with lives and feelings and specialist knowledge that deserves respect.
Yarp, a "would you treat your Mother, Father, son, daughter etc like this" is a great way to change the tone of a conversation.
And I totally agree with your perception of Joe Public, I spent 4 years in the trenches in my own wee shop. I have a belief that I should not judge others unless I have walked in their shoes so to speak, a wee mantra which helps me stay out of prison. But. Some folk are just wasting my air & the world would be a better place without them.
Bald Eagle
30th January 2013, 20:41
:love::love::love::love: I love strong confident women.:shifty:
Sorry unstuck, you're too late. She's already got a position.
Ratti
30th January 2013, 20:42
Sorry unstuck, you're too late. She's already got a position.
Only one BE? iykwim
unstuck
31st January 2013, 07:06
Sorry unstuck, you're too late. She's already got a position.
:laugh: She Is quite safe I assure you. I have had my own strong confident woman for the last 24 yrs. Or is it 25, shit I hope she does not read this or I am in trouble.:facepalm: I just find something really sexy about a woman who has much self respect and assertiveness.:love::love: :Punk:
Maha
31st January 2013, 09:05
This is the place ..
That place should sell pies...looks like it would do very well indeed.
imdying
31st January 2013, 09:16
Funny looking 'not an eating plate' when it has seats and signs saying buy food here :rolleyes:
BigAl
31st January 2013, 10:59
Yeah I'd stop there expecting to buy a pie.
FJRider
31st January 2013, 16:00
That place should sell pies...looks like it would do very well indeed.
Ummm ... it does sell pies. The issue is ... the erratic nature of the number of traveling public wanting a pie is the problem. They could have bigger/more pie warmers ... but as a small business ... they don't see pies as an important mainstay part of the business.
Guesswork is the key to having the right number of pies in the warmer. Too many ... some are wasted. Too few ... abuse from a few bikers that didn't get their pie. (as per the first post)
SNF
3rd February 2013, 07:43
It does suck when your craving something and they dont have it. Its worse when your starving, people tent to be grumpier when they are hungry. I can be one.
But whats the point of being a dick about it? Its not going to magically appear if you throw a spazz, you're just gonna look like a giant dick. That high horse could do with a set of super low springs. No I mean hooves :laugh: Sure there would be other stuff just as good. Sausage rolls, Quiche..... now I'm hungry........ Can't expect every shop to have everything you need every day lol, they will be throwing more pies out than they would sell any regular day.
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