Licence question [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Dragon

23rd January 2013, 10:54

SOOOOOOO

Can anyone tell me the difference between the learner and restricted Motorbike licence because all I can think of is the fact that the learner Licence has to have an L plate.

They've removed the 80km speed limit

Hours are the same as on the restricted licence 10pm-5am

Neither can tow or have pillions

Whats the point in having a restricted licence just means you have to spend an extra 6months before you can get your full

I am baffled

Also isnt the main reason to have people go through licences so that they can get road time and expirence in different conditions

I've got almost 8years of driving expirence in a car and while riding is slightly different it doesnt change the fact I have alot of road time and know how to handle alot of situations

Also I know how to drive/ride at night why would me being on a learner bike licence suddenly strip that skill from me ?

Actually I prefer riding late at night I just feel calmer and theres less cars around etc though I tend to ride alittle faster then I should at times opps

Sorry for the rant

And while im on my Learner licence because I thought it was time to get legal im pretty sure im clocking up alot more kms and doing more advanced riding then most 16yr olds are

Makes me think I should just risk riding something bigger, Maybe they need to bring out restrictions to car drivers on licences lower then the full licence

willytheekid

23rd January 2013, 12:29

SOOOOOOO

1.Whats the point in having a restricted licence just means you have to spend an extra 6months before you can get your full

2.I am baffled

3.Also isnt the main reason to have people go through licences so that they can get road time and expirence in different conditions

4.Makes me think I should just risk riding something bigger, Maybe they need to bring out restrictions to car drivers on licences lower then the full licence

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8192842/Boy-racers-dodging-millions-in-fines

1.not much point at all...just clock up thousands of fines and the Govn't will eventually wipe your fines under the "to difficult to follow up with" act
2.So are we all!! (But were just tax paying morons that need to be kept in line and kept quiet...shhhh...your thinking again!)
3.you would think so aye...but apparently all you need is money!...absolutely no skill or real training required to operate a motor vehicle in this country...its only speed that kills!
4.see point 1...and just go for it!...they will thank you for the donations/revenue and if you keep it up...they'll just wipe your fines :yes:

SOOOOO...If you make an effort to ride safe and adhere to the law...you WILL be punished to the full letter of the law for any minor indescretions (4k over!) and then treated like the criminal scum you are! (Usually by someone on a power trip and has the IQ of a tomatoe)
....OR...If you decide to say "FUCK IT"...and just disregard all road laws and put as many other innocents at risk as possible....the govn't will just let you off scott free and let the rest of us cover your fines and damage's :yes:

Its not that hard to see the problem with our roads is it!...but its MUCH easier and cheaper for the Govt to just ignore blatent facts and common sense, and just lower as many speed limits as possble to caterer for the lowest & dumbest donominator!

...welcome to the NZ way!...fucked up aint it:rolleyes:

jellywrestler

23rd January 2013, 12:33

I've got almost 8years of driving expirence in a car and while riding is slightly different it doesnt change the fact I have alot of road time and know how to handle alot of situations

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 12:39

Can anyone tell me the difference between the learner and restricted Motorbike licence because all I can think of is the fact that the learner Licence has to have an L plate.

The L plate is to warn ALL other road users .. that YOU are a total NOOB on a motorcycle.

And no matter what you think ... nobody really gives a fuck what a NOOB thinks on the matter ... because they are a NOOB. And what do NOOBS know anyway.

end of rant

:killingme

Phantom Limb

23rd January 2013, 12:41

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

This.
I too drove cars for years, hell I raced the friggin things so I thought my general motor vehicle competence was pretty epic..... Those first few months on a motorcycle however left me the proverbial fish out of water.

Yes as an experienced driver you should know the road rules and how you should respond in emergency situations, only problem is, no one told your bike that! Motorcycles are poles apart from cars in terms of the way they operate on the street. So my advice is suck it up and keep learning, being fast tracked to a full license is only going to get you in shit faster.

Skiwi

23rd January 2013, 12:42

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

Caught my eye too..
+1

Scuba_Steve

23rd January 2013, 12:51

This.
I too drove cars for years, hell I raced the friggin things so I thought my general motor vehicle competence was pretty epic..... Those first few months on a motorcycle however left me the proverbial fish out of water.

Yes as an experienced driver you should know the road rules and how you should respond in emergency situations, only problem is, no one told your bike that! Motorcycles are poles apart from cars in terms of the way they operate on the street. So my advice is suck it up and keep learning, being fast tracked to a full license is only going to get you in shit faster.

yes it is alot different, but then his point remains valid too. The restricted is pointless waste of money, the learners is where he should be learning the bike/road & they way they interact, the restricted offers nothing it is just profit for the Govt as he should either be able to ride (full) or be learning (learners) it's not like a car where you start with someone with you teaching you the way. Bikes you're always "on your own" so to speak so you're either learning or you're not.

Dragon

23rd January 2013, 13:02

Caught my eye too..
+1

Sorry I guess I walked into that one, What I was trying to express was the fact that its the same basic setup they both have brakes and a throttle, gears etc

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

IVe riden without a licence before and now that im doing it the right way im fustrated

I got back onto a 250 because I wanted to ease back into it.

Just a heads up I actually am one of the few people that pay fines beleive it or not

Ive paid 8k worth off since 2008 and tbh I dont want to get more if I can help it

Note 4k of them where clocked up by my stepbrother borrowing one of my cars without asking while I was at work (a project car which had no wof or reg I might add ffs)

and 2k where from an ex mate using my temp licence claiming to be me

Im just trying to say the system is screwed

Or are people commenting that a 17year old that has driven a car on the road for the year would be just as fresh to riding a bike as a 17 year old that has never had a licence?

Ive broken the driving laws a few times (not going to say I havent) however most of the time im not a risk to the general public and I have grown up alot in the last few years and try keep to the track

I am expecting some flack for this post but please realize I am not new to bikes and while I know I am getting my confidence back im thinking that another 20months is going to drive me nuts

Phantom Limb

23rd January 2013, 13:13

yes it is alot different, but then his point remains valid too. The restricted is pointless waste of money, the learners is where he should be learning the bike/road & they way they interact, the restricted offers nothing it is just profit for the Govt as he should either be able to ride (full) or be learning (learners) it's not like a car where you start with someone with you teaching you the way. Bikes you're always "on your own" so to speak so you're either learning or you're not.

OH YUP,
The restricted period is a right confusing mess, you're right. A rider should be considered either a novice or capable of handling their machine, not sure what this restricted middle ground is supposed to accomplish. I say novice because a rider is always 'learning' regardless of their license.

unstuck

23rd January 2013, 13:37

Dragon

23rd January 2013, 13:57

Better get my eyes checked, I kept seeing BOOB(S) in that post.:rolleyes:

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

oneofsix

23rd January 2013, 14:00

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

I give them more room but one guy pissed me off by admitting he "tests" them. His logic being they need to learn to handle the "pressure". Other think they can bluff an L-plater or force their way.

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 14:05

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

Which part of ... you are, and you do ... do YOU not understand. Maybe if you get past puberty ... you might understand. If you live that long.

Skiwi

23rd January 2013, 14:21

There are three distinct parts to this thread.

1-Road craft
Yes you can learn some road craft from driving a car that is useful when you transition to a bike. BUT there are extra hazards you need to factor in

2-Bike craft
Car driving teaches you nothing beyond the basic concept of getting a hunk a machinery to move you in a desired direction.

3-Regulations.
Pfft! Don't get me started, we get what is designed for cage drivers poorly massaged to sort of fit bikes.

IMHO
Learners equals theory and basic handling course.
Restricted = lose the L plate and remove the hour restrictions
Full = cart blanc

Coolz

23rd January 2013, 14:48

Your argument about going from a car to a bike and already knowing the rules could be used by a 16yo going from a pushie to a car. In both cases there is a big learning curve ahead.

Dragon

23rd January 2013, 15:06

Your argument about going from a car to a bike and already knowing the rules could be used by a 16yo going from a pushie to a car. In both cases there is a big learning curve ahead.

They give out licences for push bikes now? also not many push bikes have lights or indicators etc

I feel what im trying to say isnt coming off very well

Let me try again

I think that the licencing system should be based on peoples skill as well as other factors

Lets try another example

You have a 35year old car driver with 20years on the road time he has sat and gotten his full licence

Due to the fact that hes not used to how a bike works he gets a lams approved bike because he wants to follow the law.

Does his 6months and realizes that he could handle something bigger due to the fact you dont need to use all the power you have avilable and he is sensible ;)

So he goes to a 1200cc bike which he rides on weekends or the odd group ride and has no issue then he gets his full 18months later

Now apart from the fact hes breaching his licence does anybody see anything wrong with that?

Hes crossed the car skills over to the bike which gives him an advantage over a brand new rider, he is aware that the bike is more dangerous due to the fact its smaller etc and expands his awareness.

I would not sugguest a 16year old to jump straight onto a 600 but I also dont sugguest that they go out and buy a skyline either (but they can) and they can do alot more damage in a car then on a bike

My issue is that I dont like most of the lams bikes due to the styling and price

I know I would get bored and want a 600 in 6months anyway

Reasons I want a 600 is because right now I get knocked around by the wind and I have no power if I get into trouble

Its not like im going for a 1000cc bike because I know they can be to heavy for me

Maybe im explaining this wrong :s

superjackal

23rd January 2013, 15:13

I sympathise with Dragon as I'm in the same position. I've got 20+ years in cars on 5 continents. Motorbikes are different - but not "18 months" different. It's like learning another language - you learn fast when you're immersed in the environment.

Let's say 2 people go for their full.

The first covers 20,000kms in 18 months in a variety of driving situations and all weathers.

The second drives for 18 months and only on Sundays when it's not raining or windy or crowded and doesn't even cover 1,000kms.

According to our seemingly arbitrary laws both drivers are the same.

Not so.

It's easy to say "wait" when you already have your full licence and can ride anything you want to.

Scuba_Steve

23rd January 2013, 15:25

...
Learners equals theory and basic handling course.
Restricted = lose the L plate and remove the hour restrictions
Full = cart blanc

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

Dragon

23rd January 2013, 15:29

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

You are correct I rang up and confirmed today

Also found out the day I can sit my Restricted and that I still have 0 demerits like I have for the last 2+ years

oh and if you get pulled over on a bigger bike its only 25 demerits not 100% sure what $$$ though

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 16:29

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 16:31

Last I checked the ONLY thing restricted does on a bike is lose the L plate, time restriction still applies.

Yep ... they're still a NOOB

jellywrestler

23rd January 2013, 16:35

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

measure your tires contact patch on the road on your bike and car, maybe 40mm on a bike compared with 400mm on a car, this is only the first difference, slip on a bike and it could be hosptal job, slip in a car and it's more likely drop your pie and an insurance claim, you need to WALK before you can RUN

Subike

23rd January 2013, 16:37

You are correct I rang up and confirmed today

Also found out the day I can sit my Restricted and that I still have 0 demerits like I have for the last 2+ years

oh and if you get pulled over on a bigger bike its only 25 demerits not 100% sure what $$$ though

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

Old school rider, 40+ years of operating vehicles including bikes of all sizes and configerations.
Sat the learners test this day 12 mths ago, Passed 35/35 questions. did not squat for the exam.
Did the 6 mths learners,
Rode and passed with positive comments the restricted riding test,
As far as you suggesting that experience in cars can easily be transferred over to bike,
Phift!!
Seen many many young fellas think this over the years, and many many of them have ended up on their ass in a ditch going W T F!
Why, ....you see bike are almost the complete opposite of cars , a car you just sit in push knobs and pedals, move a few sticks turn the wheel at the right time, and it works. A bike?, you have to control...or it will control you, bite you and spit you off as it laughs at you.
You need the two years on a learner just to learn the basics, the next 10 years to get average, and if you last the next ten years then your competent, but even after 30 years, bike will still bite you when you least expect it, no matter how experienced or skilled you are.. thats the nature of the beast...and us that know this love it.....
Cars? get in turn a key push a pedal or two turn a corner, stop....thats about it, you can master that in a day if you have any brains

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 16:43

Lets try another example ...

The main reason for the age reduction was removed ... was in fairness to ALL holders of the learner/restricted licenses ...

If "older" motorcyclists want special privilege's ... what make them so special ??? Perhaps they should have got a bike license sooner.

The $400 fine for breach of license conditions ... isn't that bad. Being older ...he'd be more likely to have a better paying job.

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 17:04

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

All riders/driver have to stay current with any law changes. So they should be fine.

They survived the licensing laws of the time ... on worse roads ... on worse machines. What makes you think a pre pubescent kid ... with the ink barely dry on his restricted license ... would know better .. ???

Zapf

23rd January 2013, 19:42

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

IVe riden without a licence before and now that im doing it the right way im fustrated

I got back onto a 250 because I wanted to ease back into it.

Just a heads up I actually am one of the few people that pay fines beleive it or not

Im just trying to say the system is screwed

I would have been around 27~28 when I got into bikes. Prior to that have driven some very fast cars 500hp (around corners... not straight line jockey)

Def a lot more "Oh shit" moments even on my first 250 or a 650 bike. Cars tend to take care of themselves, bikes don't.

250cc's are silly rule, but you have LAMPS now so you can get torquey bikes.

I was lucky as I got to do a special acceleration course that got me to Full in 6 months. (not around anymore)

Yea... NZTA sucks.... so does most Govt when you want to do something different.

FJRider

23rd January 2013, 19:54

I would have been around 27~28 when I got into bikes. Prior to that have driven some very fast cars 500hp (around corners... not straight line jockey)

Def a lot more "Oh shit" moments even on my first 250 or a 650 bike. Cars tend to take care of themselves, bikes don't.

250cc's are silly rule, but you have LAMPS now so you can get torquey bikes.

I was lucky as I got to do a special acceleration course that got me to Full in 6 months. (not around anymore)

Yea... NZTA sucks.... so does most Govt when you want to do something different.

I did my learners (no L plate) ... then two months later got my full. NO special course needed. (10 minute test)

Oh ... and it's LAM's (Learner Approved Motorcycles) ..... LAMPS light up the road ... :lol:

unstuck

23rd January 2013, 20:12

Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

When I get around to getting my bike license, I will let you know.:devil2::headbang:

willytheekid

24th January 2013, 07:03

...Would be interesting to see how many old school riders would pass the licencing system these days

Hello!...been riding 30+ yrs (And still learning!)

Lost ALL of my licenses due to a NZTA stuff up (Clerical data entry error when I handed in my paper licenses...they recon I didnt pay the $10 admin fee!)
and as such...they just wiped my car and bike licenses :eek5:
I then made the mistake of trying to deal with the NZTA to correct the error:killingme...yeah!...after many...MANY months of fruitless effort, I decided to just resit all my bike licenses again so I could get my bikes insurance valid again(Havn't bothered with the car license...never really drive em)

I now have my Full bike license back again (And new insurance finally!:sweatdrop), and had no problems at all during the testing and resits....easy and actually quite fun :yes: (except for the bloody cost!)

...and I can confirm...the so called "testing"....is a bloody joke!, and a primary cause for most accidents nowdays, as the full rider test (if passed...like thats hard!) enables the purchase and use of bikes such as 200hp sport bikes, harleys etc etc...while possessing NO actual riding skills above "very basic" levels...its just a recipe for disaster!

My advice...if you want to learn quickly and correctly...forget the modified car shit they teach you through the system...and go an see a professional at a riding school!, they can supply realworld training that actually applys to bikes!, and most of all, your safety on the road!....its worth every cent:yes: (And lots of fun to!)

Ride safe Dragon ;)

sinfull

24th January 2013, 07:18

Sorry for the rant

Stop it

Reasons I want a 600 is because right now I get knocked around by the wind and I have no power if I get into trouble

Its not like im going for a 1000cc bike because I know they can be to heavy for me

Maybe im explaining this wrong :s So go get a 600 then
Only thing i can see holding ya back now is the curfew, so bloody what ! Not like ya not used to breakin the law !

JFDI

unstuck

24th January 2013, 08:00

Was talking to my old mum this morning on the telephone, and she seems to think I already have my bike license. Reckons I got it when I was 17.:scratch: Time to think about rest homes perhaps.:devil2:

Dragon

24th January 2013, 08:41

Stop it

So go get a 600 then
Only thing i can see holding ya back now is the curfew, so bloody what ! Not like ya not used to breakin the law !

JFDI

I try and avoid breaking the law these days bending it alittle is a different story

I will be jumping on some rider training days/track days etc just got to sort them out, you are correct that the licencing tests are useless.

However I don't see why they don't impose a skill based test, some people will take 6months to pass and others may take 2years depending on how well they pick it up.

They could still do a restricted and full test

But it should involve defensive driving skill testing and see the ablity of the person to get out of the shit etc

The last practical test I did was my full licence test when I was 18 (back on the old system) and I did that at 8am on a wednsday morning in torrental rain with rush hour traffic. I had also had no sleep as I had worked a 12hr shift before hand. I passed with 100% makes me think the test was alittle easy but also showed I had the skill to pass in those conditions

Now most people will go when there is light traffic and good weather how does that show you can drive in all conditions.

ducatilover

24th January 2013, 09:09

FJRider

24th January 2013, 09:32

I think the restricted licence should be removed as there are no differences at all to the L licence.

It's a blatant money grabbing exercise by teh gubberments
And we all know cars and bikes are different, but being in a car first will give you a better working knowledge of the road rules and vice versa

Burn the gubbermints!!!!!!

Very TRUE ... keep them on the L plate for the full period. Learners ... or FULL ... no exceptions or shortcuts allowed :headbang:

And double the cost of the tests to make up the shortfall ... :whistle:

And the same full ACC levy on ALL motorcycles ... because they're ALL dangerous ... and fairer that way too ... :yes:

p.dath

24th January 2013, 10:22

It seems you've had plenty of responses, but I might as well add in my own 5 cents.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the learner and restricted Motorbike licence because all I can think of is the fact that the learner Licence has to have an L plate.

I think you are correct in this one. Basically everyone gets a warning via your 'L' plate when you are first starting out to take extra care around you. This is to help prevent you getting hurt.

Once you move to restricted it's hoped your competent enough to move in traffic safely.

Whats the point in having a restricted licence just means you have to spend an extra 6months before you can get your full

Also isnt the main reason to have people go through licences so that they can get road time and expirence in different conditions

I've got almost 8years of driving expirence in a car and while riding is slightly different it doesnt change the fact I have alot of road time and know how to handle alot of situations

Sure, there is knowledge that will be transferrable from using a car. However that won't help you with other important aspects, such as machine control - which in my opinion takes around 2 years to develop to a reasonable level. So once you get your full licence you still wont be properly proficient in machine control - IMHO.

Also situation awareness is quite different on a motorcycle compared to a closed cockpit car.

Also I know how to drive/ride at night why would me being on a learner bike licence suddenly strip that skill from me ?

I'll bring up machine control and situational awareness. Riding on a motorcycle in the pitch black requires you to look even further ahead than normal, and take greater note of the few things you can see. In a car you tend to have a lot more light coming out the front and it is so much easier.

ducatilover

24th January 2013, 13:54

Very TRUE ... keep them on the L plate for the full period. Learners ... or FULL ... no exceptions or shortcuts allowed :headbang:

And double the cost of the tests to make up the shortfall ... :whistle:

And the same full ACC levy on ALL motorcycles ... because they're ALL dangerous ... and fairer that way too ... :yes:

Agreeing with you here (uh oh!)
The LAMS 660cc rule and the 600+cc rego rule is just another example of pure money grab fuckey of the gubbercuntmint :oi-grr:

As I previously stated, burn them!!! WITH FIRE!

MSTRS

24th January 2013, 14:41

Read this... (http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/motorcycle-licence.html)
After years of no change to the licencing system (for motorcycles) the govt finally listened to what thousands of us were saying about the restricted speed for learners - and removed it as a condition. But without changing anything else per se. So now we have what amounts to the same conditions for learner/restricted. Just the L plate is dropped.
Since the above, LAMS has come in - although it essentially changes nothing...you either have a condition of 250cc or under - OR - an approved motorcycle (on the List).

Typical legislative bullshit (oooh, there's THAT word again, in relation to Govt) ... have a law with anomalies or stupid provisos, wait years to correct the situation, fix the problem and introduce new ones, refuse to revisit the legislation, blame the other party for all the problems.

ducatilover

24th January 2013, 16:01

Typical legislative bullshit (oooh, there's THAT word again, in relation to Govt) ... have a law with anomalies or stupid provisos, wait years to correct the situation, fix the problem and introduce new ones, refuse to revisit the legislation, blame the other party for all the problems.

Keeps the wankers employed eh? :facepalm:

FJRider

24th January 2013, 16:45

bosslady

24th January 2013, 18:38

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

Nope, if anything I find they are more courteous. Nicer to me on my bike than when I am in my car. It's probably all in your head, or are you trying to find an excuse to rip the L plate off? ;)

Why are you so impatient? I think 2 years is a fair amount of time to be given to learn before you can go and buy a 1000cc etc. for whatever reason. Someone who's been riding for 6 months shouldn't be allowed one, that's why they're not.. 650 is fast enough? what's the rush I don't know. Have some patience is all I can say and maybe some more respect for motorcycle roadcraft... must be a guy thing huh

FJRider

24th January 2013, 19:14

Nope, if anything I find they are more courteous. Nicer to me on my bike than when I am in my car. It's probably all in your head, or are you trying to find an excuse to rip the L plate off? ;)

A lot depends on the way that L-plater rides. Or the attitude of other road users in your area. And as he has been riding less time than you ... and we've all heard about Auckland traffic. I'm guessing the former ...

Why are you so impatient? I think 2 years is a fair amount of time to be given to learn before you can go and buy a 1000cc etc. for whatever reason. Someone who's been riding for 6 months shouldn't be allowed one, that's why they're not.. 650 is fast enough? what's the rush I don't know. Have some patience is all I can say and maybe some more respect for motorcycle roadcraft... must be a guy thing huh

So ... he must still have one year, and three hundred and fifty five days until he gets to legally ride a big bike.

Not long ... really ...

bosslady

24th January 2013, 19:30

A lot depends on the way that L-plater rides. Or the attitude of other road users in your area. And as he has been riding less time than you ... and we've all heard about Auckland traffic. I'm guessing the former ...

on the way the l plater rides, as in I scare cagers so much they keep the f*ck away?

So ... he must still have one year, and three hundred and fifty five days until he gets to legally ride a big bike.

Not long ... really ...

riding less time than me? but I've only been riding not even 6 weeks?

FJRider

24th January 2013, 19:51

on the way the l plater rides, as in I scare cagers so much they keep the f*ck away?

Motorists that get intimidated by the riding habits of L plated motorcyclists ... tend to use the same tactics in return. Car Vs bike can be a little one sided ...

Respect for other road users goes both ways.

riding less time than me? but I've only been riding not even 6 weeks?

Yep.

bosslady

24th January 2013, 19:54

Motorists that get intimidated by the riding habits of L plated motorcyclists ... tend to use the same tactics in return. Car Vs bike can be a little one sided ...

Respect for other road users goes both ways.

Yep.

I just read his profile, he be a youngin, it all be making sense now.

sootie

24th January 2013, 20:50

The L plate is to warn ALL other road users .. that YOU are a total NOOB on a motorcycle.

And no matter what you think ... nobody really gives a fuck what a NOOB thinks on the matter ... because they are a NOOB. And what do NOOBS know anyway.
end of rant
:killingme

There is a wonderful quote from an instuctor to student chopper pilots he was preparing for troop injection & extraction into and out of very tricky Vietnam war zones:
"Until you have a 1000 hours of experience you are a bigger menace around here than the Vietcong. God help us all while you learn!"
[I think this might fit the bill for motorcyclists too.]

FJRider

24th January 2013, 20:55

There is a wonderful quote from an instuctor to student chopper pilots he was preparing for troop injection & extraction into and out of very tricky Vietnam war zones:
"Until you have a 1000 hours of experience you are a bigger menace around here than the Vietcong. God help us all while you learn!"
[I think this might fit the bill for motorcyclists too.]

In the Wellington area ... nobody is shooting at you. :msn-wink:

Auckland however ... it does happen ... :shifty:

p.dath

25th January 2013, 07:46

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing ...

Umm, that's because everyone will see your 'L' plate and know that you are in-experienced on that class of vehicle. It's IS a sign you don't know much about that class. It sounds like people are doing around you exactly what they should be.

unstuck

25th January 2013, 07:56

Umm, that's because everyone will see your 'L' plate and know that you are in-experienced on that class of vehicle. It's IS a sign you don't know much about that class. It sounds like people are doing around you exactly what they should be.

So with me riding for 30+ years, when I finally get off my arse and get a license I will auotomatically become inexperienced on a bike. How does that work? and how can I avoid it?:scratch:

p.dath

25th January 2013, 08:09

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

So with me riding for 30+ years, when I finally get off my arse and get a license I will auotomatically become inexperienced on a bike. How does that work? and how can I avoid it?:scratch:

So that's 30 years on a track, or offroad? No doubt you will have well developed machine control skills.

GTRMAN

25th January 2013, 08:25

So with me riding for 30+ years, when I finally get off my arse and get a license I will auotomatically become inexperienced on a bike. How does that work? and how can I avoid it?:scratch:

A new program coming out later this year. CBTA (competency based training and assessment)

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

This means there will be two ways to get a full motorcycle licence.

1. Do the bare minimum and wait your time.

2. Do the CBTA courses and progress to a full licence by demonstrating the required skills etc

unstuck

25th January 2013, 08:28

So that's 30 years on a track, or offroad? No doubt you will have well developed machine control skills.

On road/ off road. never done a track on a bike, just a car and a kart.:shifty:

Skiwi

25th January 2013, 08:30

unstuck

25th January 2013, 08:30

unstuck

25th January 2013, 08:34

I just thought of it as my punishment for being a lazy prick and not completing my license 30 years ago. :blink:

Thats all it is with me I am afraid, just being lazy. No money making involved you see, tis the only reason for me getting any license so far. :msn-wink:

Dragon

25th January 2013, 08:42

A new program coming out later this year. CBTA (competency based training and assessment)

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

This means there will be two ways to get a full motorcycle licence.

1. Do the bare minimum and wait your time.

2. Do the CBTA courses and progress to a full licence by demonstrating the required skills etc

Keen to get onto the cbta course's

The thing is I only want a 600cc but the ones I want aren't covered on the lams list :s

Also I have roughly (if you include the riding I did when I was younger 1000hrs) but in the last 4 weeks ive probably gotten 112hrs road time done and over 2000kms

Sure I read somewhere on LTNZ that they want learners to do 240hrs before the restricted test hmmm seems im already pretty close to that even if you dont include my previous riding

I also ride in ALL weather

GTRMAN

25th January 2013, 09:36

Keen to get onto the cbta course's

The thing is I only want a 600cc but the ones I want aren't covered on the lams list :s

Also I have roughly (if you include the riding I did when I was younger 1000hrs) but in the last 4 weeks ive probably gotten 112hrs road time done and over 2000kms

Sure I read somewhere on LTNZ that they want learners to do 240hrs before the restricted test hmmm seems im already pretty close to that even if you dont include my previous riding

I also ride in ALL weather

Read this

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/132965-Progression-of-a-total-motorcycle-noob?highlight=grantman

bosslady

25th January 2013, 09:40

So with me riding for 30+ years, when I finally get off my arse and get a license I will auotomatically become inexperienced on a bike. How does that work? and how can I avoid it?:scratch:

Eat some spinach, and also the crusts off your sandywitches.

A new program coming out later this year. CBTA (competency based training and assessment)

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

This means there will be two ways to get a full motorcycle licence.

1. Do the bare minimum and wait your time.

2. Do the CBTA courses and progress to a full licence by demonstrating the required skills etc

Yea I read about that awhile ago, will go for it for sure.

Read this

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/132965-Progression-of-a-total-motorcycle-noob?highlight=grantman

:yes:

If I could offer but one word of advice. If you rush, you will NEVER get there. Applies to most things in life, but in this instance, motorsickles too. Take your time, there is no rush, enjoy, you can't be Rossi overnight :laugh:

FJRider

25th January 2013, 11:00

but in the last 4 weeks ive probably gotten 112hrs road time done and over 2000kms

My calculator tells me you did an average of 17.85 km/hr. Perhaps it's time to change up to second gear. I think you might be ready ... <_<

FJRider

25th January 2013, 11:09

unstuck

25th January 2013, 11:18

Procrastination has it's own punishments ... it's own welcome to the real world.

I,m hearing ya. :yes:

FJRider

25th January 2013, 11:31

Keen to get onto the cbta course's

At the average speed that you indicated you travel at later in this post ... it would take you two weeks to get to it

The thing is I only want a 600cc but the ones I want aren't covered on the lams list :s

I guess you'll have to wait ... just like everybody else. It might help you might live a little longer.

Also I have roughly (if you include the riding I did when I was younger 1000hrs) but in the last 4 weeks ive probably gotten 112hrs road time done and over 2000kms

Time to up your average speed I think.

Sure I read somewhere on LTNZ that they want learners to do 240hrs before the restricted test hmmm seems im already pretty close to that even if you dont include my previous riding

With the figures you posted a few posts ago ... you're not even half way.

I also ride in ALL weather

I wasn't aware Wellington area HAD "ALL" weathers in the last four weeks ...

GTRMAN

25th January 2013, 11:35

At the average speed that you indicated you travel at later in this post ... it would take you two weeks to get to it

I guess you'll have to wait ... just like everybody else. It might help you might live a little longer.

Time to up your average speed I think.

[QUOTE=Dragon;1130485760]Sure I read somewhere on LTNZ that they want learners to do 240hrs before the restricted test hmmm seems im already pretty close to that even if you dont include my previous riding

I wasn't aware Wellington area HAD "ALL" weathers in the last four weeks ...

Well we have had rain, hail, wind and Sun so not far off....

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bosslady

25th January 2013, 11:51

I guess you'll have to wait ... just like everybody else. It might help you might live a little longer.

Leave the poor boy alone you bully :laugh: at the end of the day he'll do what he wants that may or may not be within the law... and some of us have to grow up the hard way and learn our own lessons rather than learn from other peoples mistakes... I don't really see why he needs a faster bike, or what the rush exactly is, but 'ya know maybe there is a pretty missus he is trying to impress, that's reason enough, surely?! haha

Dragon

25th January 2013, 12:35

Leave the poor boy alone you bully :laugh: at the end of the day he'll do what he wants that may or may not be within the law... and some of us have to grow up the hard way and learn our own lessons rather than learn from other peoples mistakes... I don't really see why he needs a faster bike, or what the rush exactly is, but 'ya know maybe there is a pretty missus he is trying to impress, that's reason enough, surely?! haha

Lol I am currently single and most of the girls I know either dont like bikes or dont know enough about them to realize the gsx isnt flash ;)

I am not at all like grantman I see your point but thats not me at all

1. I am not starting from scratch
2. I didnt go out and buy the fastest 250 or the fastest biggest lams bike I could as I wanted to ease back into riding and get my confidence up again.
3. I dont ride like the road is a track and its very rare I go over 110km on the motorway

I have emailed a few motorbike skills and handling places and am looking into getting onto some courses to make sure I haven't picked up any bad habits, im also going to go on the next bronz ride on tuesday (didnt make it to the last two due to weather and work issues)

Might go into the bike shops start of next month and take some bigger bikes for a ride ( lams legal) just to see if anything takes my fancy

Still wanting a 600cc sportbike but I know I may be rushing alittle and I am trying to do things the right way

I need to see when manifeild has a track day on because im keen to do one and see how quick I can get the bike round the track.

GTRMAN

25th January 2013, 12:39

Leave the poor boy alone you bully :laugh: at the end of the day he'll do what he wants that may or may not be within the law... and some of us have to grow up the hard way and learn our own lessons rather than learn from other peoples mistakes... I don't really see why he needs a faster bike, or what the rush exactly is, but 'ya know maybe there is a pretty missus he is trying to impress, that's reason enough, surely?! haha

You're probably right, but statements like 'I have done x hours' don't do his cause any favours. Over (or under) estimating your skills on a motorcycle can be deadly. My experience has taught me that the skills of driving a car do not really translate to riding a motorcycle that much.

The thing is that the mechanics of operating a motorcycle are really only the first of MANY steps to being a competent and safe motorcyclist. ROADCRAFT is about operating that motorcycle on public roads, learning to deal with the many and varied hazards therein.

Ignoring the interesting delivery, what a few people are saying is that there are no shortcuts to becoming a safe and experienced rider.

Dragon, take your time, we have all had to deal with the indignity of L plates, but they serve a purpose, as do the stages of licence. The time spent learning to get the most out of your current 250 is not wasted. Be safe.

FJRider

25th January 2013, 13:54

... but 'ya know maybe there is a pretty missus he is trying to impress, that's reason enough, surely?! haha

Seeing as you asked so nicely ... :msn-wink:

But you are aware ... trying to impress (Ladies especially) would be the main cause of a (any) fella's problems ... :killingme

FJRider

25th January 2013, 14:08

Still wanting a 600cc sportbike but I know I may be rushing alittle and I am trying to do things the right way

I'm sure you'll find a "proper" sports bike in the approved list that tickles your fancy.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/approved-motorcycles.html

I need to see when manifeild has a track day on because im keen to do one and see how quick I can get the bike round the track.

Quicker does not mean faster. Any racer will tell you that. The trick is to ride smarter.

Rider training days teach you that.

bosslady

25th January 2013, 15:45

Lol I am currently single and most of the girls I know either dont like bikes or dont know enough about them to realize the gsx isnt flash ;)

What they don't know won't hurt em

need to see when manifeild has a track day on because im keen to do one and see how quick I can get the bike round the track.

16th Feb, Saturday. I might go.

I ask again. What's the rush? why do you have to have a fast bike, why do you have to go fast?

here have a cupcake

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=277101&d=1359084900

You're probably right, but statements like 'I have done x hours' don't do his cause any favours. Over (or under) estimating your skills on a motorcycle can be deadly. My experience has taught me that the skills of driving a car do not really translate to riding a motorcycle that much.

The thing is that the mechanics of operating a motorcycle are really only the first of MANY steps to being a competent and safe motorcyclist. ROADCRAFT is about operating that motorcycle on public roads, learning to deal with the many and varied hazards therein.

Ignoring the interesting delivery, what a few people are saying is that there are no shortcuts to becoming a safe and experienced rider.

Dragon, take your time, we have all had to deal with the indignity of L plates, but they serve a purpose, as do the stages of licence. The time spent learning to get the most out of your current 250 is not wasted. Be safe.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

MSTRS

25th January 2013, 15:52

There's a trackday at Taupo 9th February...

bosslady

25th January 2013, 15:54

There's a trackday at Taupo 9th February...

who's that with again? NP trip then for me anyway...

MSTRS

25th January 2013, 16:05

At least now ... "Learner" riders can ride Bikes up to 660 cc's ... with no issue with TPTB should the learners feel capable ...

And (as you said) no 70 km speed restriction.

All said and done ... MAJOR changes that will help learner riders. But nothing radical.

Nor were radical changes expected ... and we weren't disappointed ..

The problem is not the changes (they were all good) but the fact that no changes were made to the restricted level. Apart from removing the chance of reducing the time spent on it by being over 25, or taking a course, or whatever.
So now we have 2 licence stages with no real difference...except you pays your $100 to (legally) remove the L.

EDIT: I see that training incentives to reduce time spent etc are to be re-introduced (why were they ever removed?) which is all good EXCEPT we all know that courses will not be anywhere near most towns and even cities...

FJRider

25th January 2013, 16:17

So now we have 2 licence stages with no real difference...except you pays your $100 to (legally) remove the L.

EDIT: I see that training incentives to reduce time spent etc are to be re-introduced (why were they ever removed?) which is all good EXCEPT we all know that courses will not be anywhere near most towns and even cities...

The license system is THREE stage. Learner. Restricted. Full.

I can only recall two time reduction methods ... Defensive Driver courses ... and the "over 25" clause.

Were there others .. ???

FJRider

25th January 2013, 16:23

here have a cupcake

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=277101&d=1359084900

:drool:

.......................................

MSTRS

25th January 2013, 16:56

The license system is THREE stage. Learner. Restricted. Full.

Yep. I knew that. 2 of them - Learner and Restricted - are more or less the same.

I can only recall two time reduction methods ... Defensive Driver courses ... and the "over 25" clause.

Were there others .. ???I don't recall any others. Taking a course or being over 25. Is that not what I said?

FJRider

25th January 2013, 17:50

EDIT: I see that training incentives to reduce time spent etc are to be re-introduced (why were they ever removed?) which is all good EXCEPT we all know that courses will not be anywhere near most towns and even cities...

Neither the DDC or the over 25 clause, should/could be classed as "Training incentives" ...

Those two license stages are important to show the motorcyclist does have some degree of basic skills/attitude as they progress through the license system. Only those that find (or think) themselves an exception to the rules ... have reason to complain. All said and done ... that leaves very few happy with the system.

Bugger .. eh .. !!

No doubt there will be further changes to the learner/Restricted classes ... when TPTB decide whats best for them.

Maybe ... With the training not being an option ... but required part before the next stage of the license. And to be able to run these courses in places other than racetracks. So they can be held in ALL areas. They may well be run on race tracks though .. if the course organiser chooses ...

Individual choice on deciding who "Them" is ... :laugh:

Dragon

25th January 2013, 19:48

FJRider

25th January 2013, 19:52

bosslady

25th January 2013, 19:58

I don't want to go fast I never said I did I want a goof looking 600cc because I want the power to get out if shit and so I don't get knocked around in the wind so much I couldn't care less if its restricted to 100km

what shit have you got yourself into that you needed a great amount of power to get out of? as for wind I'm not sure how a 600cc bike will help that much more? and I think you're a liar if you say you couldn't care less if you're restricted to 100kmh cause I know I sure as hell would, care that is. Understand the good looking part though. Ain't there any purdy looking lams bikes?

FJRider

25th January 2013, 20:07

what shit have you got yourself into that you needed a great amount of power to get out of? as for wind I'm not sure how a 600cc bike will help that much more? and I think you're a liar if you say you couldn't care less if you're restricted to 100kmh cause I know I sure as hell would, care that is. Understand the good looking part though. Ain't there any purdy looking lams bikes?

Have you any idea why he thinks any 600 (or 660) is restricted to 100 km/hr .. ??? Apart from the legal open road speed limit (and who obeys that eh .. ??) no physical speed restricter is fitted to any bike.

bosslady

25th January 2013, 20:22

Have you any idea why he thinks any 600 (or 660) is restricted to 100 km/hr .. ??? Apart from the legal open road speed limit (and who obeys that eh .. ??) no physical speed restricter is fitted to any bike.

I think he wasn't serious he was just trying to make a point that he didn't want to get a bike so he can go fast or whatever... but I think you know that

FJRider

25th January 2013, 20:27

I think he wasn't serious he was just trying to make a point that he didn't want to get a bike so he can go fast or whatever... but I think you know that

It was the highlighted bit in my quote of his I meant.

Dragon

25th January 2013, 22:16

I know that no bike is limited to 100km all I'm trying to say is I don't want a big bike to go fast

I can't find any laws bikes I like the look of and I'm not willing to pay for something that'd be restricted

I've ridden bigger bikes in the wind and they have just felt more stable

and I've had various people cut me off or start to chance lanes without looking and if I want to move I've got to drop it down a gear or two

if my senses miss them starting to move my reaction Time will be limited and the bike doesn't have enuf grit for me to get out as quick as I like

why do most people get bigger bikes is it because we feel they are more suited to our needs? If smaller slower bikes are really safer for everyone why don't we only ride 125cc bikes?

bosslady

25th January 2013, 23:07

I know that no bike is limited to 100km all I'm trying to say is I don't want a big bike to go fast

I can't find any laws bikes I like the look of and I'm not willing to pay for something that'd be restricted

I'm sure someone else will chime in on that one...

I've ridden bigger bikes in the wind and they have just felt more stable

I don't get it, my bike feels pretty stable. And, if it's not so much then cool, means I can learn and will gain skills as a rider rather than rely on my bike to get me out of sticky situations..

and I've had various people cut me off or start to chance lanes without looking and if I want to move I've got to drop it down a gear or two

What's wrong with backing off if someone goes to cut you off etc? if that's the case surely they'd be at least somewhat ahead of you, since you're keeping a good following distance, so I can't see why you'd power ahead to overtake them. The only situation I'd like to power away is when people tailgate me. If I can, I speed up and put some more space between us, if it's the motorway etc., I change lanes so they can pass me.

if my senses miss them starting to move my reaction Time will be limited and the bike doesn't have enuf grit for me to get out as quick as I like

why do most people get bigger bikes is it because we feel they are more suited to our needs? If smaller slower bikes are really safer for everyone why don't we only ride 125cc bikes?

Nobody said smaller bikes are safer, just as no one said bigger bikes aren't safe. Its putting an overconfident newbie on it that isnt (safe). Take my flatmates BMW S1000RR, safe as houses, but put ME on that? dead, or seriously injured probably :laugh:

You don't NEED a bigger bike, you just WANT one. Can you find a mentor or instructor down there? nobodies saying you can't ride a bike, clearly you can, but the road is damn dangerous and takes a long time to get used to, longer than a few weeks, longer than a few months and old buggars who've been riding for years are still learning too, whether they care to admit it or not.

Consider whether it's your roadcraft or attitude to roadcraft that needs adjusting first, I'm not saying you have a bad attitude but take a step back and think. I all to often hear people blame problems on their bikes when it's actually them.

If and when I get another bike of course it will have more power, I want to go on long trips away and need something that's happy with the weight of all my shoes and tiaras. Also I want to go fast, over the speed limit even... on the track.... of course... ;) but, that day will come when I'm way more skilled and have had a lot more time on the road, I'm in no rush.

unstuck

26th January 2013, 05:13

Have you any idea why he thinks any 600 (or 660) is restricted to 100 km/hr .. ??? Apart from the legal open road speed limit (and who obeys that eh .. ??) no physical speed restricter is fitted to any bike.

LT50, have an alloy restrictor plate fitted inside the intake tube where it joins the cylinder.:whistle:

Tis simple to remove though.:shifty:

bosslady

26th January 2013, 08:37

Tis simple to remove though.:shifty:

I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that...

unstuck

26th January 2013, 08:41

I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that...

Tis the first thing to go on them suckers, along with the first pilot jet.:msn-wink:

FJRider

26th January 2013, 09:18

LT50, have an alloy restrictor plate fitted inside the intake tube where it joins the cylinder.:whistle:

Tis simple to remove though.:shifty:

Does it restrict it to 100 km/hr .. ???

MSTRS

26th January 2013, 09:23

...and old buggars who've been riding for years are still learning too...

Wash your filthy mouth out, young lady. We are NOT still learning. We are in the process of forgetting what we have learned.
:innocent:

unstuck

26th January 2013, 09:26

Does it restrict it to 100 km/hr .. ???

I never said that.:msn-wink: An lt 50 would be lucky to get to 60kmh with the restrictor removed.:shifty:

bosslady

26th January 2013, 09:31

Wash your filthy mouth out, young lady. We are NOT still learning. We are in the process of forgetting what we have learned.
:innocent:

haha, sorry, sorry! process of forgetting what you've learned? you mean learning again what you've forgotten? ;)

FJRider

26th January 2013, 09:59

I know that no bike is limited to 100km all I'm trying to say is I don't want a big bike to go fast

Then be careful what you post. You did say you didn't want to be restricted to 100 km/hr.

I can't find any laws bikes I like the look of and I'm not willing to pay for something that'd be restricted

It's LAM's class (Learner Approved Motorcycles) and restricted motorcycles are NOT allowed on the LAM's list ... in the belief they "might" be removed. Bigger and heavier bikes are better in the wind. Even for a complete noob. In the two years until you are allowed to sit your full license ... ride as many different types and sized bikes as you can. This equates to actual motorcycling experience. And give you a better understanding what type will actually suit you best. This often differs from your original "I Want" ...

I've ridden bigger bikes in the wind and they have just felt more stable

They are. Don't be too/so fussy in your early stages of learning ...

and I've had various people cut me off or start to chance lanes without looking and if I want to move I've got to drop it down a gear or two

Some people do that to every other motorist. Not just learner riders. Don't take it personally. EVER. That's how road rage starts.

if my senses miss them starting to move my reaction Time will be limited and the bike doesn't have enuf grit for me to get out as quick as I like

Keep a BIGGER gap between YOU and THEM in future. You will find you get there almost as fast ... AND alive.

why do most people get bigger bikes is it because we feel they are more suited to our needs? If smaller slower bikes are really safer for everyone why don't we only ride 125cc bikes?

Different bike sizes were built for different purposes. Some suit different tasks better than others. In inner city/low speed travel ... small light motorcycles suit as they are lighter (easier on the rider) and cheap to run. Motorway travel requires bikes that can keep up with the usual traffic flow. (easily) And can handle usual weather conditions (like wind)

Motorcycles that are used for commuting ... are usually a compromise. And usually/often the bikes you will find on the LAMs list (funnily enough). They may NOT be your idea of "cool" ... but believe it or not ... actual experience on them ... and your opinion of their capabilities will change. Ask a CX500 rider about their bike. Their WILL be a few about in Welly town.

FJRider

26th January 2013, 10:27

I don't get it, my bike feels pretty stable. And, if it's not so much then cool, means I can learn and will gain skills as a rider rather than rely on my bike to get me out of sticky situations..

Bigger and heavier bikes do handle/feel different to ride. And do handle the wind better. GN's are cool ... and unappreciated by those who don't/wont ride them. The skills you learn on them you will remember throughout your life. Regardless of what bike you may move up to.

What's wrong with backing off if someone goes to cut you off etc? if that's the case surely they'd be at least somewhat ahead of you, since you're keeping a good following distance, so I can't see why you'd power ahead to overtake them. The only situation I'd like to power away is when people tailgate me. If I can, I speed up and put some more space between us, if it's the motorway etc., I change lanes so they can pass me.

Good advice. VERY good advice.

Nobody said smaller bikes are safer, just as no one said bigger bikes aren't safe. Its putting an overconfident newbie on it that isnt (safe). Take my flatmates BMW S1000RR, safe as houses, but put ME on that? dead, or seriously injured probably :laugh:

More good advice.

You don't NEED a bigger bike, you just WANT one. Can you find a mentor or instructor down there? nobodies saying you can't ride a bike, clearly you can, but the road is damn dangerous and takes a long time to get used to, longer than a few weeks, longer than a few months and old buggars who've been riding for years are still learning too, whether they care to admit it or not.

Consider whether it's your roadcraft or attitude to roadcraft that needs adjusting first, I'm not saying you have a bad attitude but take a step back and think. I all to often hear people blame problems on their bikes when it's actually them.

If and when I get another bike of course it will have more power, I want to go on long trips away and need something that's happy with the weight of all my shoes and tiaras. Also I want to go fast, over the speed limit even... on the track.... of course... ;) but, that day will come when I'm way more skilled and have had a lot more time on the road, I'm in no rush.

Well said. Probably the best post you have ever made.

They do have Mentors in Wellington. And they have much to teach him. If he really WANTS to learn. However .... none of his posts indicate this.

FJRider

26th January 2013, 13:44

Wash your filthy mouth out, young lady. We are NOT still learning. We are in the process of forgetting what we have learned.
:innocent:

I prefer "Continually re-evaluating the value of what we remember" ... :innocent:

madscientist

2nd February 2013, 00:43

Just add my bit, I'm on my learners, 6mo to Restricted, and when I first booked my license I looked up how long it would take. Yay, I'm over 25, only 3 months.... until I read the next part, After Oct 1st..

I do wonder why there's still a restricted license, and I hate my licence saying LEARNER despite being a full car for 15 odd years. I think that its much easier to learn to ride with already having the road rules. I remember learning to drive a car.. clutch, gear, gas, who gives way? stalled it, bunny hop, shit shit shit.. at least its one less thing to worry about. I'm patient, I wait in line at traffic lights, I (usually) do the speed limit, I'm slowly pushing myself in corners, I've only had one slight almost off. (too keen in a downhill corner), but I ride every chance I get. why cant I go for my full after 6 months if I'm actually competent.. why not make the full test more comprehensive, so the one sunday a month rider will fail, but the daily rider will pass. why don't cyclists have rego/warrant/licences gah, gah.. anyway back to my search of "what does the restricted licence test cover"

SNF

3rd February 2013, 09:11

In the Wellington area ... nobody is shooting at you. :msn-wink:

Auckland however ... it does happen ... :shifty:

Had one ages back, before I pulled out and cleaned my carbs after I ran out of petrol. Bike bogged down and I didn't expect it - stalled at a give way. Wanker in a nissan got on the horn. I was busy trying to start the bike "come on for fuck sake FUCKING START!" Then it got the death rev, I take off, he floors it and passes me WTF. meh.

Anyway - I am glad for my L plate - apart from that one faggot when something has gone wrong people have been patient or at least weren't too crazy.
I think its down to that plate. I really am a noob. I ride as much as I can, been to work nearly every time I try take the bike. I might actually stay on my L's for a bit more than the 6 months. Might do 9 or 10 months - I'd rather feel confident and have a better idea of what I am doing when its time to sit my R's so I can show the tester that I can handle a bike rather than go oh sweet 6 months get off the L's and hope I pass.